http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9EaDXcVjrI

On 2/15/2014 9:19 AM, KC wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9EaDXcVjrI

Ok, one more... And btw, the guy is countersteering as is the guy in the
vid above. They are just leaning to put the pressure on the front end
but the process is the same. Lean, countersteer, correct.. it's all
about balance even though John mocked me about that earlier...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLLbr5-174A

On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 09:23:12 -0500, KC wrote:

On 2/15/2014 9:19 AM, KC wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9EaDXcVjrI

Ok, one more... And btw, the guy is countersteering as is the guy in the
vid above. They are just leaning to put the pressure on the front end
but the process is the same. Lean, countersteer, correct.. it's all
about balance even though John mocked me about that earlier...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLLbr5-174A


Scotty, it's about 'no hands' counter steering, which was presented to you in a Wikipedia article on
counter steering two whole days ago.

I am thrilled that you've become a believer in the fact of counter steering. Maybe one day it will
save your life, or that of someone else.

Here, in case you missed it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countersteering

"No hands[edit]
This is how countersteering works when riding no-hands. To turn left, a rider applies a momentary
torque, either at the seat via the legs or in the torso that causes the bike itself to lean to the
right, called counter lean by some authors.[8] The combined center of mass of the bike and rider is
only lowered, of course. However, if the front of the bike is free to swivel about its steering
axis, the lean to the right will cause it to steer to the right by some combination of gyroscopic
precession (as mentioned above), ground reaction forces, gravitational force on an off-axis center
of mass, or simply the inertia of an off-axis center of mass, depending on the exact geometry and
mass distribution of the particular bike, and the amount of torque and the speed at which it is
applied.[6][15]
This countersteering to the right causes the ground contact to move to the right of the center of
mass, as the bike moves forward, thus generating a leftward lean. Finally the front end steers to
the left and the bike enters the left turn. The amount of leftward steering necessary to balance the
leftward lean appropriate for the forward speed and radius of the turn is controlled by the torque
generated by the rider, again either at the seat or in the torso.
To straighten back out of the turn, the rider simply reverses the procedure for entering it: cause
the bike to lean farther to the left; this causes it to steer farther to the left, which moves the
wheel contact patches farther to the left, eventually reducing the leftward lean and exiting the
turn.
The reason this no-hands steering is less effective on heavy bikes, such as motorcycles, is that the
rider weighs so much less than the bike that leaning the torso with respect to the bike does not
cause the bike to lean far enough to generate anything but the shallowest turns. No-hands riders may
be able to keep a heavy bike centered in a lane and negotiate shallow highway turns, but not much
else."

On 2/15/2014 9:35 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 09:23:12 -0500, KC wrote:

On 2/15/2014 9:19 AM, KC wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9EaDXcVjrI

Ok, one more... And btw, the guy is countersteering as is the guy in the
vid above. They are just leaning to put the pressure on the front end
but the process is the same. Lean, countersteer, correct.. it's all
about balance even though John mocked me about that earlier...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLLbr5-174A


Scotty, it's about 'no hands' counter steering, which was presented to you in a Wikipedia article on
counter steering two whole days ago.

I am thrilled that you've become a believer in the fact of counter steering. Maybe one day it will
save your life, or that of someone else.

Here, in case you missed it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countersteering

"No hands[edit]
This is how countersteering works when riding no-hands. To turn left, a rider applies a momentary
torque, either at the seat via the legs or in the torso that causes the bike itself to lean to the
right, called counter lean by some authors.[8] The combined center of mass of the bike and rider is
only lowered, of course. However, if the front of the bike is free to swivel about its steering
axis, the lean to the right will cause it to steer to the right by some combination of gyroscopic
precession (as mentioned above), ground reaction forces, gravitational force on an off-axis center
of mass, or simply the inertia of an off-axis center of mass, depending on the exact geometry and
mass distribution of the particular bike, and the amount of torque and the speed at which it is
applied.[6][15]
This countersteering to the right causes the ground contact to move to the right of the center of
mass, as the bike moves forward, thus generating a leftward lean. Finally the front end steers to
the left and the bike enters the left turn. The amount of leftward steering necessary to balance the
leftward lean appropriate for the forward speed and radius of the turn is controlled by the torque
generated by the rider, again either at the seat or in the torso.
To straighten back out of the turn, the rider simply reverses the procedure for entering it: cause
the bike to lean farther to the left; this causes it to steer farther to the left, which moves the
wheel contact patches farther to the left, eventually reducing the leftward lean and exiting the
turn.
The reason this no-hands steering is less effective on heavy bikes, such as motorcycles, is that the
rider weighs so much less than the bike that leaning the torso with respect to the bike does not
cause the bike to lean far enough to generate anything but the shallowest turns. No-hands riders may
be able to keep a heavy bike centered in a lane and negotiate shallow highway turns, but not much
else."


LOL!... None of you could answer the question, I gave you all several
chances.. It's ok John, lucky for most it's natural and happens on it's
own....

On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 09:36:54 -0500, KC wrote:

On 2/15/2014 9:35 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 09:23:12 -0500, KC wrote:

On 2/15/2014 9:19 AM, KC wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9EaDXcVjrI

Ok, one more... And btw, the guy is countersteering as is the guy in the
vid above. They are just leaning to put the pressure on the front end
but the process is the same. Lean, countersteer, correct.. it's all
about balance even though John mocked me about that earlier...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLLbr5-174A


Scotty, it's about 'no hands' counter steering, which was presented to you in a Wikipedia article on
counter steering two whole days ago.

I am thrilled that you've become a believer in the fact of counter steering. Maybe one day it will
save your life, or that of someone else.

Here, in case you missed it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countersteering


LOL!... None of you could answer the question, I gave you all several
chances.. It's ok John, lucky for most it's natural and happens on it's
own....

Keep on trying, Scotty!

On 2/15/2014 9:43 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 09:36:54 -0500, KC wrote:

On 2/15/2014 9:35 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 09:23:12 -0500, KC wrote:

On 2/15/2014 9:19 AM, KC wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9EaDXcVjrI

Ok, one more... And btw, the guy is countersteering as is the guy in the
vid above. They are just leaning to put the pressure on the front end
but the process is the same. Lean, countersteer, correct.. it's all
about balance even though John mocked me about that earlier...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLLbr5-174A


Scotty, it's about 'no hands' counter steering, which was presented to you in a Wikipedia article on
counter steering two whole days ago.

I am thrilled that you've become a believer in the fact of counter steering. Maybe one day it will
save your life, or that of someone else.

Here, in case you missed it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countersteering


LOL!... None of you could answer the question, I gave you all several
chances.. It's ok John, lucky for most it's natural and happens on it's
own....

Keep on trying, Scotty!


So, you are clearly saying when I asked the question.. "If I go in a
circle with no hands, what is it called" that:
1) You knew the answer was countersteering.
2) Although you mocked and suggested going in a circle with no hands
would put you on the pavement, you actually knew it was in fact possible?

Be honest now... this is the second time I have asked this directly,
answer, or dodge again... it's up to you.

KC wrote:
On 2/15/2014 9:43 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 09:36:54 -0500, KC wrote:

On 2/15/2014 9:35 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 09:23:12 -0500, KC wrote:

On 2/15/2014 9:19 AM, KC wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9EaDXcVjrI

Ok, one more... And btw, the guy is countersteering as is the guy in the
vid above. They are just leaning to put the pressure on the front end
but the process is the same. Lean, countersteer, correct.. it's all
about balance even though John mocked me about that earlier...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLLbr5-174A


Scotty, it's about 'no hands' counter steering, which was presented to
you in a Wikipedia article on
counter steering two whole days ago.

I am thrilled that you've become a believer in the fact of counter
steering. Maybe one day it will
save your life, or that of someone else.

Here, in case you missed it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countersteering


LOL!... None of you could answer the question, I gave you all several
chances.. It's ok John, lucky for most it's natural and happens on it's
own....

Keep on trying, Scotty!


So, you are clearly saying when I asked the question.. "If I go in a
circle with no hands, what is it called" that:
1) You knew the answer was countersteering.
2) Although you mocked and suggested going in a circle with no hands
would put you on the pavement, you actually knew it was in fact possible?

Be honest now... this is the second time I have asked this directly,
answer, or dodge again... it's up to you.

You should continue to go in a circle with no hands.

On 2/15/2014 9:23 AM, KC wrote:

On 2/15/2014 9:19 AM, KC wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9EaDXcVjrI

Ok, one more... And btw, the guy is countersteering as is the guy in the
vid above. They are just leaning to put the pressure on the front end
but the process is the same. Lean, countersteer, correct.. it's all
about balance even though John mocked me about that earlier...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLLbr5-174A



Unfortunately for your argument, neither of those videos demonstrate
counter-steering.

On 2/15/14, 11:35 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/15/2014 9:43 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 09:36:54 -0500, KC wrote:

On 2/15/2014 9:35 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 09:23:12 -0500, KC wrote:

On 2/15/2014 9:19 AM, KC wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9EaDXcVjrI

Ok, one more... And btw, the guy is countersteering as is the guy
in the
vid above. They are just leaning to put the pressure on the front end
but the process is the same. Lean, countersteer, correct.. it's all
about balance even though John mocked me about that earlier...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLLbr5-174A


Scotty, it's about 'no hands' counter steering, which was presented
to you in a Wikipedia article on
counter steering two whole days ago.

I am thrilled that you've become a believer in the fact of counter
steering. Maybe one day it will
save your life, or that of someone else.

Here, in case you missed it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countersteering


LOL!... None of you could answer the question, I gave you all several
chances.. It's ok John, lucky for most it's natural and happens on it's
own....

Keep on trying, Scotty!


So, you are clearly saying when I asked the question.. "If I go in a
circle with no hands, what is it called" that:
1) You knew the answer was countersteering.
2) Although you mocked and suggested going in a circle with no hands
would put you on the pavement, you actually knew it was in fact possible?

Be honest now... this is the second time I have asked this directly,
answer, or dodge again... it's up to you.


So... *when* is the last word that keeps getting promised?

On 2/15/2014 12:39 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/15/2014 9:23 AM, KC wrote:

On 2/15/2014 9:19 AM, KC wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9EaDXcVjrI

Ok, one more... And btw, the guy is countersteering as is the guy in the
vid above. They are just leaning to put the pressure on the front end
but the process is the same. Lean, countersteer, correct.. it's all
about balance even though John mocked me about that earlier...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLLbr5-174A



Unfortunately for your argument, neither of those videos demonstrate
counter-steering.


I was addressing my perceived supposition by John, that it couldn't be
done... and you can countersteer with your hips as well as your hand. In
fact when you do it in an emergency, I doubt you dip the hand, you
probably shift the hips first and the hands follow....