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Counter steering (again)
On 2/14/2014 2:53 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/14/2014 1:59 PM, KC wrote: On 2/14/2014 1:41 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 13:37:07 -0500, KC wrote: On 2/14/2014 1:19 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 13:05:44 -0500, KC wrote: Awesome... now let's continue on. Explain to me what it's called when I maneuver through a wavy rutt, or a rutted long corner (rutted or flat) with absolutely zero steering pressure applied by myself to the handle bars? And before you say it can't happen. I can do both, with a dead mans throttle and no hands.... Ah, yes...we were talking about wavy ruts and rutted long corners. ****. Luddite should have been more clear in his original post. I thought he was talking about street riding. My bad. As to your question above, that style is called "Maneuvering through a wavy rutt, or a rutted long corner (rutted or flat) with absolutely zero steering pressure applied to the handle bars". It's a great technique when you're riding in a wavy rut or a rutted long corner (rutted or flat). Just be sure to look where you want to go. Ok, let me rephrase it to avoid the dodge, and the self serving mocking...... Or you can just dodge again... I can go down a flat curvy road/track and turn the bike side to side with out touching the bars (assume coasting or dead mans throttle) by simply shifting my body weight absolutely no hands on the bars and negotiate the corners. I could lean the bike into a continuous circle with a dead mans throttle and no hands on the bars. What do you call that? And before you answer, I already know the answer, it's kind of a trick question but go for it... Let's see if your book learned, or you get it.. Cause I think you were the one who was actually confused yesterday and you "morphed" your understanding as the day went on... Just sayin. So, what do "you" call it? It's called riding with no hands while coasting or dead man's throttle. If you do it long enough it's called 'bike laying on side'. It's not what I call road riding. In case you've not yet figured it out, I'm basically done with you. I knew it! You really don't get it do you? It's ok, I am not gonna' "two stroke oil" you.. as long as we all maintain the spirit of the group, and move on.... Anyway, the answer to my quesion, the question you obviously couldn't answer is.... and read carefully..."when I go through a corner with no hands on the bars I am... wait for it... I AM COUNTER-STEERING through the corner!" See why I said it was a trick question? Ok here's why... Yup, I am just initiating the counter steer by leaning... and allowing the geometry of the bike put "pressure on the bars" instead of applying that pressure with my hands. I just knew you really didn't get it. Maybe this will help.. You can counter-steer to initiate a lean, or you can lean to initiate a counter-steer.... I knew it... Book learned.... ugh... Oh, and you won't end up with "the bike on the ground" with no hands in a circle, if you *maintain the balance* ie. *don't lean out of the counter steer*. If I maintain my speed and balance, I could go in circles forever...I am sure you don't get that either.... but... ugh.. probably shouldn't bother, sure you don't appreciate it... So tell me. If you are riding a motorcycle in a straight direction and apply some forward pressure on the *left* handlebar, what will happen? What will happen when pressure is applied to the *right* handlebar? You can't wiggle out of it John. I gave you and others here several chances to answer the curve ball question that I posted, knowing it would separate the wheat from the chaffe, and it did........ all the rest is bs... Those questions are what initiated this whole ridiculous thread. Somehow you took exception to the accurate answers, based apparently on your "expert" knowledge of dirt bike racing and it went downhill from there. You are a funny guy sometimes. Listen... I went after it because I suspected you really didn't understand past what you have read and felt on the road... I see the geometry of things, it's a blessing and a curse, however I admit I suffer in communication skills and explaining things sometimes... it's a tradeoff I guess... Either way I posted a "trick" question, but didn't expect to get all three of you... Either way, it's over now. I will continue teaching, I suggest you continue reading:) |
Counter steering (again)
On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 14:59:42 -0500, KC wrote:
On 2/14/2014 2:53 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/14/2014 1:59 PM, KC wrote: On 2/14/2014 1:41 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 13:37:07 -0500, KC wrote: On 2/14/2014 1:19 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 13:05:44 -0500, KC wrote: Awesome... now let's continue on. Explain to me what it's called when I maneuver through a wavy rutt, or a rutted long corner (rutted or flat) with absolutely zero steering pressure applied by myself to the handle bars? And before you say it can't happen. I can do both, with a dead mans throttle and no hands.... Ah, yes...we were talking about wavy ruts and rutted long corners. ****. Luddite should have been more clear in his original post. I thought he was talking about street riding. My bad. As to your question above, that style is called "Maneuvering through a wavy rutt, or a rutted long corner (rutted or flat) with absolutely zero steering pressure applied to the handle bars". It's a great technique when you're riding in a wavy rut or a rutted long corner (rutted or flat). Just be sure to look where you want to go. Ok, let me rephrase it to avoid the dodge, and the self serving mocking...... Or you can just dodge again... I can go down a flat curvy road/track and turn the bike side to side with out touching the bars (assume coasting or dead mans throttle) by simply shifting my body weight absolutely no hands on the bars and negotiate the corners. I could lean the bike into a continuous circle with a dead mans throttle and no hands on the bars. What do you call that? And before you answer, I already know the answer, it's kind of a trick question but go for it... Let's see if your book learned, or you get it.. Cause I think you were the one who was actually confused yesterday and you "morphed" your understanding as the day went on... Just sayin. So, what do "you" call it? It's called riding with no hands while coasting or dead man's throttle. If you do it long enough it's called 'bike laying on side'. It's not what I call road riding. In case you've not yet figured it out, I'm basically done with you. I knew it! You really don't get it do you? It's ok, I am not gonna' "two stroke oil" you.. as long as we all maintain the spirit of the group, and move on.... Anyway, the answer to my quesion, the question you obviously couldn't answer is.... and read carefully..."when I go through a corner with no hands on the bars I am... wait for it... I AM COUNTER-STEERING through the corner!" See why I said it was a trick question? Ok here's why... Yup, I am just initiating the counter steer by leaning... and allowing the geometry of the bike put "pressure on the bars" instead of applying that pressure with my hands. I just knew you really didn't get it. Maybe this will help.. You can counter-steer to initiate a lean, or you can lean to initiate a counter-steer.... I knew it... Book learned.... ugh... Oh, and you won't end up with "the bike on the ground" with no hands in a circle, if you *maintain the balance* ie. *don't lean out of the counter steer*. If I maintain my speed and balance, I could go in circles forever...I am sure you don't get that either.... but... ugh.. probably shouldn't bother, sure you don't appreciate it... So tell me. If you are riding a motorcycle in a straight direction and apply some forward pressure on the *left* handlebar, what will happen? What will happen when pressure is applied to the *right* handlebar? You can't wiggle out of it John. I gave you and others here several chances to answer the curve ball question that I posted, knowing it would separate the wheat from the chaffe, and it did........ all the rest is bs... Those questions are what initiated this whole ridiculous thread. Somehow you took exception to the accurate answers, based apparently on your "expert" knowledge of dirt bike racing and it went downhill from there. You are a funny guy sometimes. Listen... I went after it because I suspected you really didn't understand past what you have read and felt on the road... I see the geometry of things, it's a blessing and a curse, however I admit I suffer in communication skills and explaining things sometimes... it's a tradeoff I guess... Either way I posted a "trick" question, but didn't expect to get all three of you... Either way, it's over now. I will continue teaching, I suggest you continue reading:) Your 'trick question' and display of knowledge were answered yesterday. You saw it, I'm sure. No hands[edit] This is how countersteering works when riding no-hands. To turn left, a rider applies a momentary torque, either at the seat via the legs or in the torso that causes the bike itself to lean to the right, called counter lean by some authors.[8] The combined center of mass of the bike and rider is only lowered, of course. However, if the front of the bike is free to swivel about its steering axis, the lean to the right will cause it to steer to the right by some combination of gyroscopic precession (as mentioned above), ground reaction forces, gravitational force on an off-axis center of mass, or simply the inertia of an off-axis center of mass, depending on the exact geometry and mass distribution of the particular bike, and the amount of torque and the speed at which it is applied.[6][15] This countersteering to the right causes the ground contact to move to the right of the center of mass, as the bike moves forward, thus generating a leftward lean. Finally the front end steers to the left and the bike enters the left turn. The amount of leftward steering necessary to balance the leftward lean appropriate for the forward speed and radius of the turn is controlled by the torque generated by the rider, again either at the seat or in the torso. To straighten back out of the turn, the rider simply reverses the procedure for entering it: cause the bike to lean farther to the left; this causes it to steer farther to the left, which moves the wheel contact patches farther to the left, eventually reducing the leftward lean and exiting the turn. The reason this no-hands steering is less effective on heavy bikes, such as motorcycles, is that the rider weighs so much less than the bike that leaning the torso with respect to the bike does not cause the bike to lean far enough to generate anything but the shallowest turns. No-hands riders may be able to keep a heavy bike centered in a lane and negotiate shallow highway turns, but not much else. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countersteering#No_hands Remember? That was about the third post in the thread. Remember? Scotty, you're making a total ass of yourself. |
Counter steering (again)
On 2/14/2014 3:10 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 14:59:42 -0500, KC wrote: On 2/14/2014 2:53 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/14/2014 1:59 PM, KC wrote: On 2/14/2014 1:41 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 13:37:07 -0500, KC wrote: On 2/14/2014 1:19 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 13:05:44 -0500, KC wrote: Awesome... now let's continue on. Explain to me what it's called when I maneuver through a wavy rutt, or a rutted long corner (rutted or flat) with absolutely zero steering pressure applied by myself to the handle bars? And before you say it can't happen. I can do both, with a dead mans throttle and no hands.... Ah, yes...we were talking about wavy ruts and rutted long corners. ****. Luddite should have been more clear in his original post. I thought he was talking about street riding. My bad. As to your question above, that style is called "Maneuvering through a wavy rutt, or a rutted long corner (rutted or flat) with absolutely zero steering pressure applied to the handle bars". It's a great technique when you're riding in a wavy rut or a rutted long corner (rutted or flat). Just be sure to look where you want to go. Ok, let me rephrase it to avoid the dodge, and the self serving mocking...... Or you can just dodge again... I can go down a flat curvy road/track and turn the bike side to side with out touching the bars (assume coasting or dead mans throttle) by simply shifting my body weight absolutely no hands on the bars and negotiate the corners. I could lean the bike into a continuous circle with a dead mans throttle and no hands on the bars. What do you call that? And before you answer, I already know the answer, it's kind of a trick question but go for it... Let's see if your book learned, or you get it.. Cause I think you were the one who was actually confused yesterday and you "morphed" your understanding as the day went on... Just sayin. So, what do "you" call it? It's called riding with no hands while coasting or dead man's throttle. If you do it long enough it's called 'bike laying on side'. It's not what I call road riding. In case you've not yet figured it out, I'm basically done with you. I knew it! You really don't get it do you? It's ok, I am not gonna' "two stroke oil" you.. as long as we all maintain the spirit of the group, and move on.... Anyway, the answer to my quesion, the question you obviously couldn't answer is.... and read carefully..."when I go through a corner with no hands on the bars I am... wait for it... I AM COUNTER-STEERING through the corner!" See why I said it was a trick question? Ok here's why... Yup, I am just initiating the counter steer by leaning... and allowing the geometry of the bike put "pressure on the bars" instead of applying that pressure with my hands. I just knew you really didn't get it. Maybe this will help.. You can counter-steer to initiate a lean, or you can lean to initiate a counter-steer.... I knew it... Book learned.... ugh... Oh, and you won't end up with "the bike on the ground" with no hands in a circle, if you *maintain the balance* ie. *don't lean out of the counter steer*. If I maintain my speed and balance, I could go in circles forever...I am sure you don't get that either.... but... ugh.. probably shouldn't bother, sure you don't appreciate it... So tell me. If you are riding a motorcycle in a straight direction and apply some forward pressure on the *left* handlebar, what will happen? What will happen when pressure is applied to the *right* handlebar? You can't wiggle out of it John. I gave you and others here several chances to answer the curve ball question that I posted, knowing it would separate the wheat from the chaffe, and it did........ all the rest is bs... Those questions are what initiated this whole ridiculous thread. Somehow you took exception to the accurate answers, based apparently on your "expert" knowledge of dirt bike racing and it went downhill from there. You are a funny guy sometimes. Listen... I went after it because I suspected you really didn't understand past what you have read and felt on the road... I see the geometry of things, it's a blessing and a curse, however I admit I suffer in communication skills and explaining things sometimes... it's a tradeoff I guess... Either way I posted a "trick" question, but didn't expect to get all three of you... Either way, it's over now. I will continue teaching, I suggest you continue reading:) Your 'trick question' and display of knowledge were answered yesterday. You saw it, I'm sure. No hands[edit] This is how countersteering works when riding no-hands. To turn left, a rider applies a momentary torque, either at the seat via the legs or in the torso that causes the bike itself to lean to the right, called counter lean by some authors.[8] The combined center of mass of the bike and rider is only lowered, of course. However, if the front of the bike is free to swivel about its steering axis, the lean to the right will cause it to steer to the right by some combination of gyroscopic precession (as mentioned above), ground reaction forces, gravitational force on an off-axis center of mass, or simply the inertia of an off-axis center of mass, depending on the exact geometry and mass distribution of the particular bike, and the amount of torque and the speed at which it is applied.[6][15] This countersteering to the right causes the ground contact to move to the right of the center of mass, as the bike moves forward, thus generating a leftward lean. Finally the front end steers to the left and the bike enters the left turn. The amount of leftward steering necessary to balance the leftward lean appropriate for the forward speed and radius of the turn is controlled by the torque generated by the rider, again either at the seat or in the torso. To straighten back out of the turn, the rider simply reverses the procedure for entering it: cause the bike to lean farther to the left; this causes it to steer farther to the left, which moves the wheel contact patches farther to the left, eventually reducing the leftward lean and exiting the turn. The reason this no-hands steering is less effective on heavy bikes, such as motorcycles, is that the rider weighs so much less than the bike that leaning the torso with respect to the bike does not cause the bike to lean far enough to generate anything but the shallowest turns. No-hands riders may be able to keep a heavy bike centered in a lane and negotiate shallow highway turns, but not much else. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countersteering#No_hands Remember? That was about the third post in the thread. Remember? Scotty, you're making a total ass of yourself. Awesome, you went back and read it again, I get it.. If you knew though, you would have just answered before when I gave you several chances. You just can't wiggle out of this one John... |
Counter steering (again)
On 2/14/2014 2:50 PM, KC wrote:
On 2/14/2014 2:47 PM, KC wrote: On 2/14/2014 2:46 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/14/2014 1:37 PM, KC wrote: On 2/14/2014 1:19 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 13:05:44 -0500, KC wrote: Awesome... now let's continue on. Explain to me what it's called when I maneuver through a wavy rutt, or a rutted long corner (rutted or flat) with absolutely zero steering pressure applied by myself to the handle bars? And before you say it can't happen. I can do both, with a dead mans throttle and no hands.... Ah, yes...we were talking about wavy ruts and rutted long corners. ****. Luddite should have been more clear in his original post. I thought he was talking about street riding. My bad. As to your question above, that style is called "Maneuvering through a wavy rutt, or a rutted long corner (rutted or flat) with absolutely zero steering pressure applied to the handle bars". It's a great technique when you're riding in a wavy rut or a rutted long corner (rutted or flat). Just be sure to look where you want to go. Ok, let me rephrase it to avoid the dodge, and the self serving mocking...... Or you can just dodge again... I can go down a flat curvy road/track and turn the bike side to side with out touching the bars (assume coasting or dead mans throttle) by simply shifting my body weight absolutely no hands on the bars and negotiate the corners. I could lean the bike into a continuous circle with a dead mans throttle and no hands on the bars. What do you call that? And before you answer, I already know the answer, it's kind of a trick question but go for it... Let's see if your book learned, or you get it.. Cause I think you were the one who was actually confused yesterday and you "morphed" your understanding as the day went on... Just sayin. So, what do "you" call it? You didn't ask me, but I'll offer an answer: I'd call it off-road dirt bike riding. I can do it on the street too.. It's called counter steering... Oh, and wow.... guess I was wrong there too...:) You all should come on out one day this season when we go street racing in Mass... I will show you how to countersteer though a street course with no hands... No thanks. I used to ride dirt bikes with no hands as a kid. Then I grew up. |
Counter steering (again)
On 2/14/2014 11:39 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/14/2014 2:50 PM, KC wrote: On 2/14/2014 2:47 PM, KC wrote: On 2/14/2014 2:46 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/14/2014 1:37 PM, KC wrote: On 2/14/2014 1:19 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 13:05:44 -0500, KC wrote: Awesome... now let's continue on. Explain to me what it's called when I maneuver through a wavy rutt, or a rutted long corner (rutted or flat) with absolutely zero steering pressure applied by myself to the handle bars? And before you say it can't happen. I can do both, with a dead mans throttle and no hands.... Ah, yes...we were talking about wavy ruts and rutted long corners. ****. Luddite should have been more clear in his original post. I thought he was talking about street riding. My bad. As to your question above, that style is called "Maneuvering through a wavy rutt, or a rutted long corner (rutted or flat) with absolutely zero steering pressure applied to the handle bars". It's a great technique when you're riding in a wavy rut or a rutted long corner (rutted or flat). Just be sure to look where you want to go. Ok, let me rephrase it to avoid the dodge, and the self serving mocking...... Or you can just dodge again... I can go down a flat curvy road/track and turn the bike side to side with out touching the bars (assume coasting or dead mans throttle) by simply shifting my body weight absolutely no hands on the bars and negotiate the corners. I could lean the bike into a continuous circle with a dead mans throttle and no hands on the bars. What do you call that? And before you answer, I already know the answer, it's kind of a trick question but go for it... Let's see if your book learned, or you get it.. Cause I think you were the one who was actually confused yesterday and you "morphed" your understanding as the day went on... Just sayin. So, what do "you" call it? You didn't ask me, but I'll offer an answer: I'd call it off-road dirt bike riding. I can do it on the street too.. It's called counter steering... Oh, and wow.... guess I was wrong there too...:) You all should come on out one day this season when we go street racing in Mass... I will show you how to countersteer though a street course with no hands... No thanks. I used to ride dirt bikes with no hands as a kid. Then I grew up. Wow... what is wrong with you? |
Counter steering (again)
KC wrote:
On 2/14/2014 11:39 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/14/2014 2:50 PM, KC wrote: On 2/14/2014 2:47 PM, KC wrote: On 2/14/2014 2:46 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/14/2014 1:37 PM, KC wrote: On 2/14/2014 1:19 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 13:05:44 -0500, KC wrote: Awesome... now let's continue on. Explain to me what it's called when I maneuver through a wavy rutt, or a rutted long corner (rutted or flat) with absolutely zero steering pressure applied by myself to the handle bars? And before you say it can't happen. I can do both, with a dead mans throttle and no hands.... Ah, yes...we were talking about wavy ruts and rutted long corners. ****. Luddite should have been more clear in his original post. I thought he was talking about street riding. My bad. As to your question above, that style is called "Maneuvering through a wavy rutt, or a rutted long corner (rutted or flat) with absolutely zero steering pressure applied to the handle bars". It's a great technique when you're riding in a wavy rut or a rutted long corner (rutted or flat). Just be sure to look where you want to go. Ok, let me rephrase it to avoid the dodge, and the self serving mocking...... Or you can just dodge again... I can go down a flat curvy road/track and turn the bike side to side with out touching the bars (assume coasting or dead mans throttle) by simply shifting my body weight absolutely no hands on the bars and negotiate the corners. I could lean the bike into a continuous circle with a dead mans throttle and no hands on the bars. What do you call that? And before you answer, I already know the answer, it's kind of a trick question but go for it... Let's see if your book learned, or you get it.. Cause I think you were the one who was actually confused yesterday and you "morphed" your understanding as the day went on... Just sayin. So, what do "you" call it? You didn't ask me, but I'll offer an answer: I'd call it off-road dirt bike riding. I can do it on the street too.. It's called counter steering... Oh, and wow.... guess I was wrong there too...:) You all should come on out one day this season when we go street racing in Mass... I will show you how to countersteer though a street course with no hands... No thanks. I used to ride dirt bikes with no hands as a kid. Then I grew up. Wow... what is wrong with you? Perhaps he doesn't want to risk an injury. |
Counter steering (again)
On 2/14/2014 11:50 AM, KC wrote:
Oh, and wow.... guess I was wrong there too...:) You all should come on out one day this season when we go street racing in Mass... I will show you how to countersteer though a street course with no hands... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PbmXxwKbmA ;) |
Counter steering (again)
On 2/15/2014 1:04 AM, thumper wrote:
On 2/14/2014 11:50 AM, KC wrote: Oh, and wow.... guess I was wrong there too...:) You all should come on out one day this season when we go street racing in Mass... I will show you how to countersteer though a street course with no hands... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PbmXxwKbmA ;) Perfect. |
Counter steering (again)
On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 22:04:21 -0800, thumper wrote:
On 2/14/2014 11:50 AM, KC wrote: Oh, and wow.... guess I was wrong there too...:) You all should come on out one day this season when we go street racing in Mass... I will show you how to countersteer though a street course with no hands... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PbmXxwKbmA ;) Scotty could 'no hands' counter steered circles around that dude. He's already said so. |
Counter steering (again)
On 2/15/2014 9:00 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 22:04:21 -0800, thumper wrote: On 2/14/2014 11:50 AM, KC wrote: Oh, and wow.... guess I was wrong there too...:) You all should come on out one day this season when we go street racing in Mass... I will show you how to countersteer though a street course with no hands... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PbmXxwKbmA ;) Scotty could 'no hands' counter steered circles around that dude. He's already said so. You were the one who just said "it's time to let it go" and I think you should since you proved beyond a doubt yesterday that you don't really understand all that is involved beyond pushing a bar.... |
Counter steering (again)
On 2/15/2014 9:06 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/15/2014 9:00 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 22:04:21 -0800, thumper wrote: On 2/14/2014 11:50 AM, KC wrote: Oh, and wow.... guess I was wrong there too...:) You all should come on out one day this season when we go street racing in Mass... I will show you how to countersteer though a street course with no hands... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PbmXxwKbmA ;) Scotty could 'no hands' counter steered circles around that dude. He's already said so. You were the one who just said "it's time to let it go" and I think you should since you proved beyond a doubt yesterday that you don't really understand all that is involved beyond pushing a bar.... Hey guys, this can't be done on a street bike!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9EaDXcVjrI |
Counter steering (again)
On 2/15/2014 9:09 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/15/2014 9:06 AM, KC wrote: On 2/15/2014 9:00 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 22:04:21 -0800, thumper wrote: On 2/14/2014 11:50 AM, KC wrote: Oh, and wow.... guess I was wrong there too...:) You all should come on out one day this season when we go street racing in Mass... I will show you how to countersteer though a street course with no hands... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PbmXxwKbmA ;) Scotty could 'no hands' counter steered circles around that dude. He's already said so. You were the one who just said "it's time to let it go" and I think you should since you proved beyond a doubt yesterday that you don't really understand all that is involved beyond pushing a bar.... Hey guys, this can't be done on a street bike!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9EaDXcVjrI Scott, you keep bringing up stuff that has nothing to do with the subjects that were being discussed. Obviously, that can be done ... at what, 5 mph? Nope, no gygroscopic precession there. Geeze. You should go take a couple of helicopter flight lessons. You'll learn all about it there. |
Counter steering (again)
On 2/15/14, 12:20 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/15/2014 9:09 AM, KC wrote: On 2/15/2014 9:06 AM, KC wrote: On 2/15/2014 9:00 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 22:04:21 -0800, thumper wrote: On 2/14/2014 11:50 AM, KC wrote: Oh, and wow.... guess I was wrong there too...:) You all should come on out one day this season when we go street racing in Mass... I will show you how to countersteer though a street course with no hands... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PbmXxwKbmA ;) Scotty could 'no hands' counter steered circles around that dude. He's already said so. You were the one who just said "it's time to let it go" and I think you should since you proved beyond a doubt yesterday that you don't really understand all that is involved beyond pushing a bar.... Hey guys, this can't be done on a street bike!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9EaDXcVjrI Scott, you keep bringing up stuff that has nothing to do with the subjects that were being discussed. Obviously, that can be done ... at what, 5 mph? Nope, no gygroscopic precession there. Geeze. You should go take a couple of helicopter flight lessons. You'll learn all about it there. Now *that* is a scary suggestion... |
Counter steering (again)
On 2/15/2014 12:40 PM, FOAD wrote:
On 2/15/14, 12:20 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/15/2014 9:09 AM, KC wrote: On 2/15/2014 9:06 AM, KC wrote: On 2/15/2014 9:00 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 22:04:21 -0800, thumper wrote: On 2/14/2014 11:50 AM, KC wrote: Oh, and wow.... guess I was wrong there too...:) You all should come on out one day this season when we go street racing in Mass... I will show you how to countersteer though a street course with no hands... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PbmXxwKbmA ;) Scotty could 'no hands' counter steered circles around that dude. He's already said so. You were the one who just said "it's time to let it go" and I think you should since you proved beyond a doubt yesterday that you don't really understand all that is involved beyond pushing a bar.... Hey guys, this can't be done on a street bike!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9EaDXcVjrI Scott, you keep bringing up stuff that has nothing to do with the subjects that were being discussed. Obviously, that can be done ... at what, 5 mph? Nope, no gygroscopic precession there. Geeze. You should go take a couple of helicopter flight lessons. You'll learn all about it there. Now *that* is a scary suggestion... "Look Ma, no hands!" |
Counter steering (again)
On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 13:03:47 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/15/2014 12:40 PM, FOAD wrote: On 2/15/14, 12:20 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/15/2014 9:09 AM, KC wrote: On 2/15/2014 9:06 AM, KC wrote: On 2/15/2014 9:00 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 22:04:21 -0800, thumper wrote: On 2/14/2014 11:50 AM, KC wrote: Oh, and wow.... guess I was wrong there too...:) You all should come on out one day this season when we go street racing in Mass... I will show you how to countersteer though a street course with no hands... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PbmXxwKbmA ;) Scotty could 'no hands' counter steered circles around that dude. He's already said so. You were the one who just said "it's time to let it go" and I think you should since you proved beyond a doubt yesterday that you don't really understand all that is involved beyond pushing a bar.... Hey guys, this can't be done on a street bike!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9EaDXcVjrI Scott, you keep bringing up stuff that has nothing to do with the subjects that were being discussed. Obviously, that can be done ... at what, 5 mph? Nope, no gygroscopic precession there. Geeze. You should go take a couple of helicopter flight lessons. You'll learn all about it there. Now *that* is a scary suggestion... "Look Ma, no hands!" "Look Ma, no rotors!" |
Counter steering (again)
On 2/15/2014 6:09 AM, KC wrote:
Hey guys, this can't be done on a street bike!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9EaDXcVjrI Let me know when he does a figure 8 no hands. |
Counter steering (again)
On 2/15/14, 3:25 PM, thumper wrote:
On 2/15/2014 6:09 AM, KC wrote: Hey guys, this can't be done on a street bike!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9EaDXcVjrI Let me know when he does a figure 8 no hands. This can't be done on a motorbike dirt trail, and it takes real balls: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f-K-XnHi9I |
Counter steering (again)
On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 15:47:04 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 2/15/14, 3:25 PM, thumper wrote: On 2/15/2014 6:09 AM, KC wrote: Hey guys, this can't be done on a street bike!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9EaDXcVjrI Let me know when he does a figure 8 no hands. This can't be done on a motorbike dirt trail, and it takes real balls: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f-K-XnHi9I Army, Air Force, Marine, Navy, FBI, and CIA folks have been doing similar feats with HALO and HAHO jumps for many years. Although not quite at that altitude, I'd expect the balls requirement would be about the same. |
Counter steering (again)
On 2/15/2014 3:25 PM, thumper wrote:
On 2/15/2014 6:09 AM, KC wrote: Hey guys, this can't be done on a street bike!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9EaDXcVjrI Let me know when he does a figure 8 no hands. Haven't tried it, can it be done like the circles and going down a windy road with no hands? And to Dick, never really thought out a chopper, but I do know I don't see it yet.. |
Counter steering (again)
On 2/15/2014 7:06 PM, KC wrote:
On 2/15/2014 3:25 PM, thumper wrote: On 2/15/2014 6:09 AM, KC wrote: Hey guys, this can't be done on a street bike!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9EaDXcVjrI Let me know when he does a figure 8 no hands. Haven't tried it, can it be done like the circles and going down a windy road with no hands? And to Dick, never really thought out a chopper, but I do know I don't see it yet.. That's obvious. When Igor Sikorsky developed the first helicopter they couldn't fly it. "The design team was not familiar with the fact that a spinning rotor had gyroscopic properties (precession) which required an input 90 degrees in rotation before it became effective. The VS-300 therefore rolled left when the cyclic stick was pushed forward. The initial pilots, Igor Sikorsky and Serge Gluhareff, had no idea whether the control problems were caused by the helicopter design or pilot technique." In a helicopter this means that control input to the rotor's pitch is applied 90 degrees before the direction you want to go forward in flight. http://www.sikorskyarchives.com/S-46%20_VS-300_%20VS-300A.php Before you jump .. you don't develop sufficient force due to gyroscopic precession on a motorcycle going 5-10 mph regardless of whether you are riding in circles, straight or doing figure eights. It only comes into play when force due to the mass of the wheel (rotor) times it's velocity squared is greater than any other external forces ... like a rider leaning over to one side. |
Counter steering (again)
On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 19:39:23 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/15/2014 7:06 PM, KC wrote: On 2/15/2014 3:25 PM, thumper wrote: On 2/15/2014 6:09 AM, KC wrote: Hey guys, this can't be done on a street bike!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9EaDXcVjrI Let me know when he does a figure 8 no hands. Haven't tried it, can it be done like the circles and going down a windy road with no hands? And to Dick, never really thought out a chopper, but I do know I don't see it yet.. That's obvious. When Igor Sikorsky developed the first helicopter they couldn't fly it. "The design team was not familiar with the fact that a spinning rotor had gyroscopic properties (precession) which required an input 90 degrees in rotation before it became effective. The VS-300 therefore rolled left when the cyclic stick was pushed forward. The initial pilots, Igor Sikorsky and Serge Gluhareff, had no idea whether the control problems were caused by the helicopter design or pilot technique." In a helicopter this means that control input to the rotor's pitch is applied 90 degrees before the direction you want to go forward in flight. http://www.sikorskyarchives.com/S-46%20_VS-300_%20VS-300A.php Before you jump .. you don't develop sufficient force due to gyroscopic precession on a motorcycle going 5-10 mph regardless of whether you are riding in circles, straight or doing figure eights. It only comes into play when force due to the mass of the wheel (rotor) times it's velocity squared is greater than any other external forces ... like a rider leaning over to one side. Very interesting. Thanks. |
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