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I'd love to have one of these... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7mTwM7afQA -- There’s no point crying over spilled 4-Methylcyclohexanemethanol. |
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On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 08:31:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
I'd love to have one of these... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7mTwM7afQA You could probably get a good trade in for a low mileage Ducati. |
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On 2/9/14, 8:49 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 08:31:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: I'd love to have one of these... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7mTwM7afQA You could probably get a good trade in for a low mileage Ducati. Nah. Duc is sleeping in the basement storage room. -- There’s no point crying over spilled 4-Methylcyclohexanemethanol. |
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wrote:
On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 08:31:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: I'd love to have one of these... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7mTwM7afQA So buy one. A lousy 8 grand should be chump change for a guy like you. http://www.rokon.com/web_documents/r...rm_2014web.pdf Reminds me of The Mule of about 50 years ago. Except I think is was 1 wheel drive. Most uncomfortable off road ride ever! |
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On 2/9/2014 1:32 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote: On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 08:31:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: I'd love to have one of these... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7mTwM7afQA So buy one. A lousy 8 grand should be chump change for a guy like you. http://www.rokon.com/web_documents/r...rm_2014web.pdf Reminds me of The Mule of about 50 years ago. Except I think is was 1 wheel drive. Most uncomfortable off road ride ever! Look at the Honda Ruccus (sp?) |
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On 2/9/2014 5:31 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
I'd love to have one of these... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7mTwM7afQA Slow and *no suspension*...? |
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On Sunday, February 9, 2014 7:31:31 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:
I'd love to have one of these... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7mTwM7afQA how about something like this? http://thekneeslider.com/1937-front-...cle-prototype/ |
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On 2/9/14, 4:31 PM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, February 9, 2014 7:31:31 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: I'd love to have one of these... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7mTwM7afQA how about something like this? http://thekneeslider.com/1937-front-...cle-prototype/ Now *that* is exotic. :) -- There’s no point crying over spilled 4-Methylcyclohexanemethanol. |
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On 2/9/2014 4:31 PM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, February 9, 2014 7:31:31 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: I'd love to have one of these... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7mTwM7afQA how about something like this? http://thekneeslider.com/1937-front-...cle-prototype/ This type of vehicle I think is coming into regular production this year.. or already is. I am not sure if the honda below is one of them or a private conversion..... http://www.off-road.com/images/content/2--Snowbike-Conversion-10-17-11.jpg |
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On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 13:31:40 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:
On Sunday, February 9, 2014 7:31:31 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: I'd love to have one of these... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7mTwM7afQA how about something like this? http://thekneeslider.com/1937-front-...cle-prototype/ Looks like something Moto Guzzi made during the war. |
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I think it was kinda neat, too, but obviously,but like many things, it's practicality was proven by it's popularity
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On Sunday, February 9, 2014 4:30:04 PM UTC-6, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 13:31:40 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Sunday, February 9, 2014 7:31:31 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: I'd love to have one of these... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7mTwM7afQA how about something like this? http://thekneeslider.com/1937-front-...cle-prototype/ Looks like something Moto Guzzi made during the war. "Goose" probably tries something like that too, but this is French, and the French at that time were known to be great tinkerers, with results to match. |
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On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 15:03:40 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:
On Sunday, February 9, 2014 4:30:04 PM UTC-6, John H. wrote: On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 13:31:40 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Sunday, February 9, 2014 7:31:31 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: I'd love to have one of these... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7mTwM7afQA how about something like this? http://thekneeslider.com/1937-front-...cle-prototype/ Looks like something Moto Guzzi made during the war. "Goose" probably tries something like that too, but this is French, and the French at that time were known to be great tinkerers, with results to match. Yeah, I should have said it looks like something Guzzi *could* have made during the war. Something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cOlS_ShXf4 |
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On 2/9/2014 6:25 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 15:03:40 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Sunday, February 9, 2014 4:30:04 PM UTC-6, John H. wrote: On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 13:31:40 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Sunday, February 9, 2014 7:31:31 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: I'd love to have one of these... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7mTwM7afQA how about something like this? http://thekneeslider.com/1937-front-...cle-prototype/ Looks like something Moto Guzzi made during the war. "Goose" probably tries something like that too, but this is French, and the French at that time were known to be great tinkerers, with results to match. Yeah, I should have said it looks like something Guzzi *could* have made during the war. Something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cOlS_ShXf4 Here's an idea for Scott: (warning - contains boating content) http://www.elrellano.com/videos_online/8146/barca-a-motor.html |
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On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 18:32:33 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/9/2014 6:25 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 15:03:40 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Sunday, February 9, 2014 4:30:04 PM UTC-6, John H. wrote: On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 13:31:40 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Sunday, February 9, 2014 7:31:31 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: I'd love to have one of these... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7mTwM7afQA how about something like this? http://thekneeslider.com/1937-front-...cle-prototype/ Looks like something Moto Guzzi made during the war. "Goose" probably tries something like that too, but this is French, and the French at that time were known to be great tinkerers, with results to match. Yeah, I should have said it looks like something Guzzi *could* have made during the war. Something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cOlS_ShXf4 Here's an idea for Scott: (warning - contains boating content) http://www.elrellano.com/videos_online/8146/barca-a-motor.html Now *there's* a use for an open transom! |
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On 2/9/2014 6:32 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/9/2014 6:25 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 15:03:40 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Sunday, February 9, 2014 4:30:04 PM UTC-6, John H. wrote: On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 13:31:40 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Sunday, February 9, 2014 7:31:31 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: I'd love to have one of these... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7mTwM7afQA how about something like this? http://thekneeslider.com/1937-front-...cle-prototype/ Looks like something Moto Guzzi made during the war. "Goose" probably tries something like that too, but this is French, and the French at that time were known to be great tinkerers, with results to match. Yeah, I should have said it looks like something Guzzi *could* have made during the war. Something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cOlS_ShXf4 Here's an idea for Scott: (warning - contains boating content) http://www.elrellano.com/videos_online/8146/barca-a-motor.html Uh, no....:) |
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On 2/9/2014 6:00 PM, Tim wrote:
I think it was kinda neat, too, but obviously,but like many things, it's practicality was proven by it's popularity Here's ours: http://rowdymouse.com/media/chasebike00.avi or http://rowdymouse.com/media/chasebike00.mov :) |
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F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/9/14, 8:49 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 08:31:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: I'd love to have one of these... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7mTwM7afQA You could probably get a good trade in for a low mileage Ducati. Nah. Duc is sleeping in the basement storage room. With the rest of his dreams. |
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Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/9/2014 6:25 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 15:03:40 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Sunday, February 9, 2014 4:30:04 PM UTC-6, John H. wrote: On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 13:31:40 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Sunday, February 9, 2014 7:31:31 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: I'd love to have one of these... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7mTwM7afQA how about something like this? http://thekneeslider.com/1937-front-...cle-prototype/ Looks like something Moto Guzzi made during the war. "Goose" probably tries something like that too, but this is French, and the French at that time were known to be great tinkerers, with results to match. Yeah, I should have said it looks like something Guzzi *could* have made during the war. Something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cOlS_ShXf4 Here's an idea for Scott: (warning - contains boating content) http://www.elrellano.com/videos_online/8146/barca-a-motor.html No steering unless that rowboat has a bow thruster. |
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On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 20:27:03 -0500, Earl__ wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/9/2014 6:25 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 15:03:40 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Sunday, February 9, 2014 4:30:04 PM UTC-6, John H. wrote: On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 13:31:40 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Sunday, February 9, 2014 7:31:31 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: I'd love to have one of these... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7mTwM7afQA how about something like this? http://thekneeslider.com/1937-front-...cle-prototype/ Looks like something Moto Guzzi made during the war. "Goose" probably tries something like that too, but this is French, and the French at that time were known to be great tinkerers, with results to match. Yeah, I should have said it looks like something Guzzi *could* have made during the war. Something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cOlS_ShXf4 Here's an idea for Scott: (warning - contains boating content) http://www.elrellano.com/videos_online/8146/barca-a-motor.html No steering unless that rowboat has a bow thruster. That boat is a high technology marvel incorporating 'eyeball sensormatic rotational assist'. Where you look is where you go. A sign on the bow says, "Don't look at women when operating this vessel." Sometimes the sign gets torn away. |
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On 2/12/2014 8:09 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 20:27:03 -0500, Earl__ wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/9/2014 6:25 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 15:03:40 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Sunday, February 9, 2014 4:30:04 PM UTC-6, John H. wrote: On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 13:31:40 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Sunday, February 9, 2014 7:31:31 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: I'd love to have one of these... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7mTwM7afQA how about something like this? http://thekneeslider.com/1937-front-...cle-prototype/ Looks like something Moto Guzzi made during the war. "Goose" probably tries something like that too, but this is French, and the French at that time were known to be great tinkerers, with results to match. Yeah, I should have said it looks like something Guzzi *could* have made during the war. Something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cOlS_ShXf4 Here's an idea for Scott: (warning - contains boating content) http://www.elrellano.com/videos_online/8146/barca-a-motor.html No steering unless that rowboat has a bow thruster. That boat is a high technology marvel incorporating 'eyeball sensormatic rotational assist'. Where you look is where you go. A sign on the bow says, "Don't look at women when operating this vessel." Sometimes the sign gets torn away. When I was a kid I had a 12' aluminum boat with a little 3hp outboard. I'd tighten the tension on the steering so the motor wouldn't move, sit in the middle seat and steer just by leaning towards one side or the other. Worked fine in large ponds. |
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On 2/12/2014 9:17 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/12/2014 8:09 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 20:27:03 -0500, Earl__ wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/9/2014 6:25 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 15:03:40 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Sunday, February 9, 2014 4:30:04 PM UTC-6, John H. wrote: On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 13:31:40 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Sunday, February 9, 2014 7:31:31 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: I'd love to have one of these... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7mTwM7afQA how about something like this? http://thekneeslider.com/1937-front-...cle-prototype/ Looks like something Moto Guzzi made during the war. "Goose" probably tries something like that too, but this is French, and the French at that time were known to be great tinkerers, with results to match. Yeah, I should have said it looks like something Guzzi *could* have made during the war. Something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cOlS_ShXf4 Here's an idea for Scott: (warning - contains boating content) http://www.elrellano.com/videos_online/8146/barca-a-motor.html No steering unless that rowboat has a bow thruster. That boat is a high technology marvel incorporating 'eyeball sensormatic rotational assist'. Where you look is where you go. A sign on the bow says, "Don't look at women when operating this vessel." Sometimes the sign gets torn away. When I was a kid I had a 12' aluminum boat with a little 3hp outboard. I'd tighten the tension on the steering so the motor wouldn't move, sit in the middle seat and steer just by leaning towards one side or the other. Worked fine in large ponds. Somebody said "like a motorcycle"... But if you simply lean a motorcycle and don't turn the wheel, it will still go straight... Just sayin'. |
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On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 09:06:41 -0500, BAR wrote:
In article , __ says... Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/9/2014 6:25 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 15:03:40 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Sunday, February 9, 2014 4:30:04 PM UTC-6, John H. wrote: On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 13:31:40 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Sunday, February 9, 2014 7:31:31 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: I'd love to have one of these... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7mTwM7afQA how about something like this? http://thekneeslider.com/1937-front-...cle-prototype/ Looks like something Moto Guzzi made during the war. "Goose" probably tries something like that too, but this is French, and the French at that time were known to be great tinkerers, with results to match. Yeah, I should have said it looks like something Guzzi *could* have made during the war. Something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cOlS_ShXf4 Here's an idea for Scott: (warning - contains boating content) http://www.elrellano.com/videos_online/8146/barca-a-motor.html No steering unless that rowboat has a bow thruster. Just like a motor cycle, you just lean into the turn to make it go that way. No, leaning doesn't make it turn. Leaning enables the motorcycle to be kept more vertical when turning. Pushing on the handlebar makes you turn. Push left, go left. Push right, go right. Countersteering. |
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On 2/12/2014 9:36 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/12/2014 9:17 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/12/2014 8:09 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 20:27:03 -0500, Earl__ wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/9/2014 6:25 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 15:03:40 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Sunday, February 9, 2014 4:30:04 PM UTC-6, John H. wrote: On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 13:31:40 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Sunday, February 9, 2014 7:31:31 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: I'd love to have one of these... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7mTwM7afQA how about something like this? http://thekneeslider.com/1937-front-...cle-prototype/ Looks like something Moto Guzzi made during the war. "Goose" probably tries something like that too, but this is French, and the French at that time were known to be great tinkerers, with results to match. Yeah, I should have said it looks like something Guzzi *could* have made during the war. Something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cOlS_ShXf4 Here's an idea for Scott: (warning - contains boating content) http://www.elrellano.com/videos_online/8146/barca-a-motor.html No steering unless that rowboat has a bow thruster. That boat is a high technology marvel incorporating 'eyeball sensormatic rotational assist'. Where you look is where you go. A sign on the bow says, "Don't look at women when operating this vessel." Sometimes the sign gets torn away. When I was a kid I had a 12' aluminum boat with a little 3hp outboard. I'd tighten the tension on the steering so the motor wouldn't move, sit in the middle seat and steer just by leaning towards one side or the other. Worked fine in large ponds. Somebody said "like a motorcycle"... But if you simply lean a motorcycle and don't turn the wheel, it will still go straight... Just sayin'. No, you have to tip the boat. Speaking of motorcycles, ever try this? Ride going straight ahead and push your *left* handlebar forward gently and see which way you turn. Then try with the *right* handlebar. |
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On 2/12/2014 9:42 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 09:06:41 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , __ says... Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/9/2014 6:25 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 15:03:40 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Sunday, February 9, 2014 4:30:04 PM UTC-6, John H. wrote: On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 13:31:40 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Sunday, February 9, 2014 7:31:31 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: I'd love to have one of these... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7mTwM7afQA how about something like this? http://thekneeslider.com/1937-front-...cle-prototype/ Looks like something Moto Guzzi made during the war. "Goose" probably tries something like that too, but this is French, and the French at that time were known to be great tinkerers, with results to match. Yeah, I should have said it looks like something Guzzi *could* have made during the war. Something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cOlS_ShXf4 Here's an idea for Scott: (warning - contains boating content) http://www.elrellano.com/videos_online/8146/barca-a-motor.html No steering unless that rowboat has a bow thruster. Just like a motor cycle, you just lean into the turn to make it go that way. No, leaning doesn't make it turn. Leaning enables the motorcycle to be kept more vertical when turning. Pushing on the handlebar makes you turn. Push left, go left. Push right, go right. Countersteering. Heh. I just mentioned to Scott about that. Those who don't ride will think it's weird. They think it should turn like a car. |
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On 2/12/2014 10:04 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/12/2014 9:36 AM, KC wrote: On 2/12/2014 9:17 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/12/2014 8:09 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 20:27:03 -0500, Earl__ wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/9/2014 6:25 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 15:03:40 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Sunday, February 9, 2014 4:30:04 PM UTC-6, John H. wrote: On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 13:31:40 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Sunday, February 9, 2014 7:31:31 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: I'd love to have one of these... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7mTwM7afQA how about something like this? http://thekneeslider.com/1937-front-...cle-prototype/ Looks like something Moto Guzzi made during the war. "Goose" probably tries something like that too, but this is French, and the French at that time were known to be great tinkerers, with results to match. Yeah, I should have said it looks like something Guzzi *could* have made during the war. Something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cOlS_ShXf4 Here's an idea for Scott: (warning - contains boating content) http://www.elrellano.com/videos_online/8146/barca-a-motor.html No steering unless that rowboat has a bow thruster. That boat is a high technology marvel incorporating 'eyeball sensormatic rotational assist'. Where you look is where you go. A sign on the bow says, "Don't look at women when operating this vessel." Sometimes the sign gets torn away. When I was a kid I had a 12' aluminum boat with a little 3hp outboard. I'd tighten the tension on the steering so the motor wouldn't move, sit in the middle seat and steer just by leaning towards one side or the other. Worked fine in large ponds. Somebody said "like a motorcycle"... But if you simply lean a motorcycle and don't turn the wheel, it will still go straight... Just sayin'. No, you have to tip the boat. Speaking of motorcycles, ever try this? Ride going straight ahead and push your *left* handlebar forward gently and see which way you turn. Then try with the *right* handlebar. Yeah, that's how she takes every turn... Reverse steer. Add in breaking loose the rear tire and you are starting to have some fun however, if you do though, you are losing time going sideways instead of forward:) |
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On 2/12/2014 10:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/12/2014 9:42 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 09:06:41 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , __ says... Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/9/2014 6:25 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 15:03:40 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Sunday, February 9, 2014 4:30:04 PM UTC-6, John H. wrote: On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 13:31:40 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Sunday, February 9, 2014 7:31:31 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: I'd love to have one of these... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7mTwM7afQA how about something like this? http://thekneeslider.com/1937-front-...cle-prototype/ Looks like something Moto Guzzi made during the war. "Goose" probably tries something like that too, but this is French, and the French at that time were known to be great tinkerers, with results to match. Yeah, I should have said it looks like something Guzzi *could* have made during the war. Something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cOlS_ShXf4 Here's an idea for Scott: (warning - contains boating content) http://www.elrellano.com/videos_online/8146/barca-a-motor.html No steering unless that rowboat has a bow thruster. Just like a motor cycle, you just lean into the turn to make it go that way. No, leaning doesn't make it turn. Leaning enables the motorcycle to be kept more vertical when turning. Pushing on the handlebar makes you turn. Push left, go left. Push right, go right. Countersteering. Heh. I just mentioned to Scott about that. Those who don't ride will think it's weird. They think it should turn like a car. Yes, counter steering but again, it's not the fastest way around the corner:) |
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On 2/12/2014 10:31 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/12/2014 10:04 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/12/2014 9:36 AM, KC wrote: On 2/12/2014 9:17 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/12/2014 8:09 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 20:27:03 -0500, Earl__ wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/9/2014 6:25 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 15:03:40 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Sunday, February 9, 2014 4:30:04 PM UTC-6, John H. wrote: On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 13:31:40 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Sunday, February 9, 2014 7:31:31 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: I'd love to have one of these... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7mTwM7afQA how about something like this? http://thekneeslider.com/1937-front-...cle-prototype/ Looks like something Moto Guzzi made during the war. "Goose" probably tries something like that too, but this is French, and the French at that time were known to be great tinkerers, with results to match. Yeah, I should have said it looks like something Guzzi *could* have made during the war. Something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cOlS_ShXf4 Here's an idea for Scott: (warning - contains boating content) http://www.elrellano.com/videos_online/8146/barca-a-motor.html No steering unless that rowboat has a bow thruster. That boat is a high technology marvel incorporating 'eyeball sensormatic rotational assist'. Where you look is where you go. A sign on the bow says, "Don't look at women when operating this vessel." Sometimes the sign gets torn away. When I was a kid I had a 12' aluminum boat with a little 3hp outboard. I'd tighten the tension on the steering so the motor wouldn't move, sit in the middle seat and steer just by leaning towards one side or the other. Worked fine in large ponds. Somebody said "like a motorcycle"... But if you simply lean a motorcycle and don't turn the wheel, it will still go straight... Just sayin'. No, you have to tip the boat. Speaking of motorcycles, ever try this? Ride going straight ahead and push your *left* handlebar forward gently and see which way you turn. Then try with the *right* handlebar. Yeah, that's how she takes every turn... Reverse steer. Add in breaking loose the rear tire and you are starting to have some fun however, if you do though, you are losing time going sideways instead of forward:) Just reread that... I should say she counter steers when the suspension or body position is off... But it's not the fastest way around the track... |
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On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 10:06:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/12/2014 9:42 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 09:06:41 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , __ says... Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/9/2014 6:25 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 15:03:40 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Sunday, February 9, 2014 4:30:04 PM UTC-6, John H. wrote: On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 13:31:40 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Sunday, February 9, 2014 7:31:31 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: I'd love to have one of these... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7mTwM7afQA how about something like this? http://thekneeslider.com/1937-front-...cle-prototype/ Looks like something Moto Guzzi made during the war. "Goose" probably tries something like that too, but this is French, and the French at that time were known to be great tinkerers, with results to match. Yeah, I should have said it looks like something Guzzi *could* have made during the war. Something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cOlS_ShXf4 Here's an idea for Scott: (warning - contains boating content) http://www.elrellano.com/videos_online/8146/barca-a-motor.html No steering unless that rowboat has a bow thruster. Just like a motor cycle, you just lean into the turn to make it go that way. No, leaning doesn't make it turn. Leaning enables the motorcycle to be kept more vertical when turning. Pushing on the handlebar makes you turn. Push left, go left. Push right, go right. Countersteering. Heh. I just mentioned to Scott about that. Those who don't ride will think it's weird. They think it should turn like a car. A lot of folks will argue about it. But getting a bicycle up to speed, releasing one handgrip and pushing on the other will make a believer out of them. Or, taking a Motorcycle Safety Foundation course. |
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On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 10:33:01 -0500, KC wrote:
On 2/12/2014 10:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/12/2014 9:42 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 09:06:41 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , __ says... Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/9/2014 6:25 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 15:03:40 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Sunday, February 9, 2014 4:30:04 PM UTC-6, John H. wrote: On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 13:31:40 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Sunday, February 9, 2014 7:31:31 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: I'd love to have one of these... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7mTwM7afQA how about something like this? http://thekneeslider.com/1937-front-...cle-prototype/ Looks like something Moto Guzzi made during the war. "Goose" probably tries something like that too, but this is French, and the French at that time were known to be great tinkerers, with results to match. Yeah, I should have said it looks like something Guzzi *could* have made during the war. Something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cOlS_ShXf4 Here's an idea for Scott: (warning - contains boating content) http://www.elrellano.com/videos_online/8146/barca-a-motor.html No steering unless that rowboat has a bow thruster. Just like a motor cycle, you just lean into the turn to make it go that way. No, leaning doesn't make it turn. Leaning enables the motorcycle to be kept more vertical when turning. Pushing on the handlebar makes you turn. Push left, go left. Push right, go right. Countersteering. Heh. I just mentioned to Scott about that. Those who don't ride will think it's weird. They think it should turn like a car. Yes, counter steering but again, it's not the fastest way around the corner:) It's the only way around the corner, at speed, on a motorcycle. |
A real dirt bike...
On 2/12/2014 10:40 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/12/2014 10:31 AM, KC wrote: On 2/12/2014 10:04 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/12/2014 9:36 AM, KC wrote: On 2/12/2014 9:17 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/12/2014 8:09 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 20:27:03 -0500, Earl__ wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/9/2014 6:25 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 15:03:40 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Sunday, February 9, 2014 4:30:04 PM UTC-6, John H. wrote: On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 13:31:40 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Sunday, February 9, 2014 7:31:31 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: I'd love to have one of these... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7mTwM7afQA how about something like this? http://thekneeslider.com/1937-front-...cle-prototype/ Looks like something Moto Guzzi made during the war. "Goose" probably tries something like that too, but this is French, and the French at that time were known to be great tinkerers, with results to match. Yeah, I should have said it looks like something Guzzi *could* have made during the war. Something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cOlS_ShXf4 Here's an idea for Scott: (warning - contains boating content) http://www.elrellano.com/videos_online/8146/barca-a-motor.html No steering unless that rowboat has a bow thruster. That boat is a high technology marvel incorporating 'eyeball sensormatic rotational assist'. Where you look is where you go. A sign on the bow says, "Don't look at women when operating this vessel." Sometimes the sign gets torn away. When I was a kid I had a 12' aluminum boat with a little 3hp outboard. I'd tighten the tension on the steering so the motor wouldn't move, sit in the middle seat and steer just by leaning towards one side or the other. Worked fine in large ponds. Somebody said "like a motorcycle"... But if you simply lean a motorcycle and don't turn the wheel, it will still go straight... Just sayin'. No, you have to tip the boat. Speaking of motorcycles, ever try this? Ride going straight ahead and push your *left* handlebar forward gently and see which way you turn. Then try with the *right* handlebar. Yeah, that's how she takes every turn... Reverse steer. Add in breaking loose the rear tire and you are starting to have some fun however, if you do though, you are losing time going sideways instead of forward:) Just reread that... I should say she counter steers when the suspension or body position is off... But it's not the fastest way around the track... What is the fastest way around the track? |
A real dirt bike...
On 2/12/2014 11:23 AM, HanK wrote:
On 2/12/2014 10:40 AM, KC wrote: On 2/12/2014 10:31 AM, KC wrote: On 2/12/2014 10:04 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/12/2014 9:36 AM, KC wrote: On 2/12/2014 9:17 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/12/2014 8:09 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 20:27:03 -0500, Earl__ wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/9/2014 6:25 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 15:03:40 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Sunday, February 9, 2014 4:30:04 PM UTC-6, John H. wrote: On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 13:31:40 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Sunday, February 9, 2014 7:31:31 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: I'd love to have one of these... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7mTwM7afQA how about something like this? http://thekneeslider.com/1937-front-...cle-prototype/ Looks like something Moto Guzzi made during the war. "Goose" probably tries something like that too, but this is French, and the French at that time were known to be great tinkerers, with results to match. Yeah, I should have said it looks like something Guzzi *could* have made during the war. Something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cOlS_ShXf4 Here's an idea for Scott: (warning - contains boating content) http://www.elrellano.com/videos_online/8146/barca-a-motor.html No steering unless that rowboat has a bow thruster. That boat is a high technology marvel incorporating 'eyeball sensormatic rotational assist'. Where you look is where you go. A sign on the bow says, "Don't look at women when operating this vessel." Sometimes the sign gets torn away. When I was a kid I had a 12' aluminum boat with a little 3hp outboard. I'd tighten the tension on the steering so the motor wouldn't move, sit in the middle seat and steer just by leaning towards one side or the other. Worked fine in large ponds. Somebody said "like a motorcycle"... But if you simply lean a motorcycle and don't turn the wheel, it will still go straight... Just sayin'. No, you have to tip the boat. Speaking of motorcycles, ever try this? Ride going straight ahead and push your *left* handlebar forward gently and see which way you turn. Then try with the *right* handlebar. Yeah, that's how she takes every turn... Reverse steer. Add in breaking loose the rear tire and you are starting to have some fun however, if you do though, you are losing time going sideways instead of forward:) Just reread that... I should say she counter steers when the suspension or body position is off... But it's not the fastest way around the track... What is the fastest way around the track? Ok, the fastest way involves being efficient in the corners. If you are countersteering n a corner, you are standing the bike too high, and the drive wheel is not taking the shortest distance around the corner. In racing terms, you blew out the birm.. It's not efficient to have that back tire way out there cause then it takes time to bring it back... |
A real dirt bike...
On 2/12/2014 11:20 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 10:33:01 -0500, KC wrote: On 2/12/2014 10:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/12/2014 9:42 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 09:06:41 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , __ says... Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/9/2014 6:25 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 15:03:40 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Sunday, February 9, 2014 4:30:04 PM UTC-6, John H. wrote: On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 13:31:40 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Sunday, February 9, 2014 7:31:31 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: I'd love to have one of these... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7mTwM7afQA how about something like this? http://thekneeslider.com/1937-front-...cle-prototype/ Looks like something Moto Guzzi made during the war. "Goose" probably tries something like that too, but this is French, and the French at that time were known to be great tinkerers, with results to match. Yeah, I should have said it looks like something Guzzi *could* have made during the war. Something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cOlS_ShXf4 Here's an idea for Scott: (warning - contains boating content) http://www.elrellano.com/videos_online/8146/barca-a-motor.html No steering unless that rowboat has a bow thruster. Just like a motor cycle, you just lean into the turn to make it go that way. No, leaning doesn't make it turn. Leaning enables the motorcycle to be kept more vertical when turning. Pushing on the handlebar makes you turn. Push left, go left. Push right, go right. Countersteering. Heh. I just mentioned to Scott about that. Those who don't ride will think it's weird. They think it should turn like a car. Yes, counter steering but again, it's not the fastest way around the corner:) It's the only way around the corner, at speed, on a motorcycle. No it's not.... if you are countersteering, your drive wheel is way outside the most efficient line and needs to come back before you can get traction and get out of the corner... |
A real dirt bike...
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 11:38:48 -0500, KC wrote:
On 2/12/2014 11:20 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 10:33:01 -0500, KC wrote: On 2/12/2014 10:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/12/2014 9:42 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 09:06:41 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , __ says... Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/9/2014 6:25 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 15:03:40 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Sunday, February 9, 2014 4:30:04 PM UTC-6, John H. wrote: On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 13:31:40 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Sunday, February 9, 2014 7:31:31 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: I'd love to have one of these... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7mTwM7afQA how about something like this? http://thekneeslider.com/1937-front-...cle-prototype/ Looks like something Moto Guzzi made during the war. "Goose" probably tries something like that too, but this is French, and the French at that time were known to be great tinkerers, with results to match. Yeah, I should have said it looks like something Guzzi *could* have made during the war. Something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cOlS_ShXf4 Here's an idea for Scott: (warning - contains boating content) http://www.elrellano.com/videos_online/8146/barca-a-motor.html No steering unless that rowboat has a bow thruster. Just like a motor cycle, you just lean into the turn to make it go that way. No, leaning doesn't make it turn. Leaning enables the motorcycle to be kept more vertical when turning. Pushing on the handlebar makes you turn. Push left, go left. Push right, go right. Countersteering. Heh. I just mentioned to Scott about that. Those who don't ride will think it's weird. They think it should turn like a car. Yes, counter steering but again, it's not the fastest way around the corner:) It's the only way around the corner, at speed, on a motorcycle. No it's not.... if you are countersteering, your drive wheel is way outside the most efficient line and needs to come back before you can get traction and get out of the corner... You countersteer to get the bike to lean, once leaned you can skid on around. But, you first have to get the turn started. |
A real dirt bike...
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 11:37:38 -0500, KC wrote:
On 2/12/2014 11:23 AM, HanK wrote: On 2/12/2014 10:40 AM, KC wrote: On 2/12/2014 10:31 AM, KC wrote: On 2/12/2014 10:04 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/12/2014 9:36 AM, KC wrote: On 2/12/2014 9:17 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/12/2014 8:09 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 20:27:03 -0500, Earl__ wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/9/2014 6:25 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 15:03:40 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Sunday, February 9, 2014 4:30:04 PM UTC-6, John H. wrote: On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 13:31:40 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Sunday, February 9, 2014 7:31:31 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: I'd love to have one of these... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7mTwM7afQA how about something like this? http://thekneeslider.com/1937-front-...cle-prototype/ Looks like something Moto Guzzi made during the war. "Goose" probably tries something like that too, but this is French, and the French at that time were known to be great tinkerers, with results to match. Yeah, I should have said it looks like something Guzzi *could* have made during the war. Something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cOlS_ShXf4 Here's an idea for Scott: (warning - contains boating content) http://www.elrellano.com/videos_online/8146/barca-a-motor.html No steering unless that rowboat has a bow thruster. That boat is a high technology marvel incorporating 'eyeball sensormatic rotational assist'. Where you look is where you go. A sign on the bow says, "Don't look at women when operating this vessel." Sometimes the sign gets torn away. When I was a kid I had a 12' aluminum boat with a little 3hp outboard. I'd tighten the tension on the steering so the motor wouldn't move, sit in the middle seat and steer just by leaning towards one side or the other. Worked fine in large ponds. Somebody said "like a motorcycle"... But if you simply lean a motorcycle and don't turn the wheel, it will still go straight... Just sayin'. No, you have to tip the boat. Speaking of motorcycles, ever try this? Ride going straight ahead and push your *left* handlebar forward gently and see which way you turn. Then try with the *right* handlebar. Yeah, that's how she takes every turn... Reverse steer. Add in breaking loose the rear tire and you are starting to have some fun however, if you do though, you are losing time going sideways instead of forward:) Just reread that... I should say she counter steers when the suspension or body position is off... But it's not the fastest way around the track... What is the fastest way around the track? Ok, the fastest way involves being efficient in the corners. If you are countersteering n a corner, you are standing the bike too high, and the drive wheel is not taking the shortest distance around the corner. In racing terms, you blew out the birm.. It's not efficient to have that back tire way out there cause then it takes time to bring it back... Countersteering has nothing to do with how high the bike stands. Watch motorcycle road racing. Those folks are scraping their knee pads, and the bike is damn near scraping the handlebars. |
A real dirt bike...
On 2/12/2014 11:20 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 10:33:01 -0500, KC wrote: On 2/12/2014 10:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/12/2014 9:42 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 09:06:41 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , __ says... Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/9/2014 6:25 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 15:03:40 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Sunday, February 9, 2014 4:30:04 PM UTC-6, John H. wrote: On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 13:31:40 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Sunday, February 9, 2014 7:31:31 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: I'd love to have one of these... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7mTwM7afQA how about something like this? http://thekneeslider.com/1937-front-...cle-prototype/ Looks like something Moto Guzzi made during the war. "Goose" probably tries something like that too, but this is French, and the French at that time were known to be great tinkerers, with results to match. Yeah, I should have said it looks like something Guzzi *could* have made during the war. Something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cOlS_ShXf4 Here's an idea for Scott: (warning - contains boating content) http://www.elrellano.com/videos_online/8146/barca-a-motor.html No steering unless that rowboat has a bow thruster. Just like a motor cycle, you just lean into the turn to make it go that way. No, leaning doesn't make it turn. Leaning enables the motorcycle to be kept more vertical when turning. Pushing on the handlebar makes you turn. Push left, go left. Push right, go right. Countersteering. Heh. I just mentioned to Scott about that. Those who don't ride will think it's weird. They think it should turn like a car. Yes, counter steering but again, it's not the fastest way around the corner:) It's the only way around the corner, at speed, on a motorcycle. I am beating myself up and I can't think of any place on the track where counter steering is faster... https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10202016412913497&set=a.10202016402 113227.1073741828.1281248494&type=3&theater Here is Jess setting up for a corner... notice she is turning left, and her bars are slightly left.. If she let her back tire slide out more (blowing the corner) the bike would have to stand back up and the back tire come back in line to get out of the corner... don't know if that makes any sense. I have a video I could find later of two riders me and Jess study. One came though the corner right (her mentor) and the guy behind counter steered through and lost two seconds in the corner... |
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On 2/12/2014 11:44 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/12/2014 11:20 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 10:33:01 -0500, KC wrote: On 2/12/2014 10:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/12/2014 9:42 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 09:06:41 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , __ says... Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/9/2014 6:25 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 15:03:40 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Sunday, February 9, 2014 4:30:04 PM UTC-6, John H. wrote: On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 13:31:40 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Sunday, February 9, 2014 7:31:31 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: I'd love to have one of these... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7mTwM7afQA how about something like this? http://thekneeslider.com/1937-front-...cle-prototype/ Looks like something Moto Guzzi made during the war. "Goose" probably tries something like that too, but this is French, and the French at that time were known to be great tinkerers, with results to match. Yeah, I should have said it looks like something Guzzi *could* have made during the war. Something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cOlS_ShXf4 Here's an idea for Scott: (warning - contains boating content) http://www.elrellano.com/videos_online/8146/barca-a-motor.html No steering unless that rowboat has a bow thruster. Just like a motor cycle, you just lean into the turn to make it go that way. No, leaning doesn't make it turn. Leaning enables the motorcycle to be kept more vertical when turning. Pushing on the handlebar makes you turn. Push left, go left. Push right, go right. Countersteering. Heh. I just mentioned to Scott about that. Those who don't ride will think it's weird. They think it should turn like a car. Yes, counter steering but again, it's not the fastest way around the corner:) It's the only way around the corner, at speed, on a motorcycle. I am beating myself up and I can't think of any place on the track where counter steering is faster... https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10202016412913497&set=a.10202016402 113227.1073741828.1281248494&type=3&theater Here is Jess setting up for a corner... notice she is turning left, and her bars are slightly left.. If she let her back tire slide out more (blowing the corner) the bike would have to stand back up and the back tire come back in line to get out of the corner... don't know if that makes any sense. I have a video I could find later of two riders me and Jess study. One came though the corner right (her mentor) and the guy behind counter steered through and lost two seconds in the corner... I got "Content Unavailable". Anyway, you have to remember that the majority of riders here are on street bikes .. Harley's, Moto Guzzi's, etc. We are not trying to get through a corner in the fastest possible way. We are more interested in getting through it safely. |
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On 2/12/2014 11:42 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 11:37:38 -0500, KC wrote: On 2/12/2014 11:23 AM, HanK wrote: On 2/12/2014 10:40 AM, KC wrote: On 2/12/2014 10:31 AM, KC wrote: On 2/12/2014 10:04 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/12/2014 9:36 AM, KC wrote: On 2/12/2014 9:17 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/12/2014 8:09 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 20:27:03 -0500, Earl__ wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/9/2014 6:25 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 15:03:40 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Sunday, February 9, 2014 4:30:04 PM UTC-6, John H. wrote: On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 13:31:40 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Sunday, February 9, 2014 7:31:31 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: I'd love to have one of these... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7mTwM7afQA how about something like this? http://thekneeslider.com/1937-front-...cle-prototype/ Looks like something Moto Guzzi made during the war. "Goose" probably tries something like that too, but this is French, and the French at that time were known to be great tinkerers, with results to match. Yeah, I should have said it looks like something Guzzi *could* have made during the war. Something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cOlS_ShXf4 Here's an idea for Scott: (warning - contains boating content) http://www.elrellano.com/videos_online/8146/barca-a-motor.html No steering unless that rowboat has a bow thruster. That boat is a high technology marvel incorporating 'eyeball sensormatic rotational assist'. Where you look is where you go. A sign on the bow says, "Don't look at women when operating this vessel." Sometimes the sign gets torn away. When I was a kid I had a 12' aluminum boat with a little 3hp outboard. I'd tighten the tension on the steering so the motor wouldn't move, sit in the middle seat and steer just by leaning towards one side or the other. Worked fine in large ponds. Somebody said "like a motorcycle"... But if you simply lean a motorcycle and don't turn the wheel, it will still go straight... Just sayin'. No, you have to tip the boat. Speaking of motorcycles, ever try this? Ride going straight ahead and push your *left* handlebar forward gently and see which way you turn. Then try with the *right* handlebar. Yeah, that's how she takes every turn... Reverse steer. Add in breaking loose the rear tire and you are starting to have some fun however, if you do though, you are losing time going sideways instead of forward:) Just reread that... I should say she counter steers when the suspension or body position is off... But it's not the fastest way around the track... What is the fastest way around the track? Ok, the fastest way involves being efficient in the corners. If you are countersteering n a corner, you are standing the bike too high, and the drive wheel is not taking the shortest distance around the corner. In racing terms, you blew out the birm.. It's not efficient to have that back tire way out there cause then it takes time to bring it back... Countersteering has nothing to do with how high the bike stands. Watch motorcycle road racing. Those folks are scraping their knee pads, and the bike is damn near scraping the handlebars. Yes, and if you watch closely, the front tire is turned in the direction of the turn, even ever so slightly.... The fast guys are not "counter steering" even if the tires are sliding. Not gonna' argue, it's what I do. My daughter is known as one of the best in the NE in corners. AJ Catanzaro, her mentor, trainer, and top 20 AMA pro said, "there is nothing I can do to make you faster in the corners, you look just like me". Many Pro WMA women admit, Jess corners better than most... |
A real dirt bike...
On 2/12/2014 11:40 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 11:38:48 -0500, KC wrote: On 2/12/2014 11:20 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 10:33:01 -0500, KC wrote: On 2/12/2014 10:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/12/2014 9:42 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 09:06:41 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , __ says... Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/9/2014 6:25 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 15:03:40 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Sunday, February 9, 2014 4:30:04 PM UTC-6, John H. wrote: On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 13:31:40 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Sunday, February 9, 2014 7:31:31 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: I'd love to have one of these... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7mTwM7afQA how about something like this? http://thekneeslider.com/1937-front-...cle-prototype/ Looks like something Moto Guzzi made during the war. "Goose" probably tries something like that too, but this is French, and the French at that time were known to be great tinkerers, with results to match. Yeah, I should have said it looks like something Guzzi *could* have made during the war. Something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cOlS_ShXf4 Here's an idea for Scott: (warning - contains boating content) http://www.elrellano.com/videos_online/8146/barca-a-motor.html No steering unless that rowboat has a bow thruster. Just like a motor cycle, you just lean into the turn to make it go that way. No, leaning doesn't make it turn. Leaning enables the motorcycle to be kept more vertical when turning. Pushing on the handlebar makes you turn. Push left, go left. Push right, go right. Countersteering. Heh. I just mentioned to Scott about that. Those who don't ride will think it's weird. They think it should turn like a car. Yes, counter steering but again, it's not the fastest way around the corner:) It's the only way around the corner, at speed, on a motorcycle. No it's not.... if you are countersteering, your drive wheel is way outside the most efficient line and needs to come back before you can get traction and get out of the corner... You countersteer to get the bike to lean, once leaned you can skid on around. But, you first have to get the turn started. Trust me, .01 seconds coming in and going out...Way too much sideways, not enough forward.... Look, I put the stopwatch to this **** every day, I trained my daughter to corner "as good as any body in the division"... But I am not gonna' argue any more with it. |
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