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Poco Loco February 5th 14 01:54 PM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 01:15:15 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 13:20:57 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:


I've had companies want a fax of my military ID card. They wouldn't take a jpg. So I had to trudge
down to UPS to get the fax sent. Only $1, but a pain in the butt. An excuse for a motorcycle ride
though.


You can fax from your computer if it still has a modem in it. I
haven't seen a built in modem that did not have fax capabilities since
the 486 days.
The problem is POTS modems are starting to disappear in newer
machines.
XP has fax support in the basic load but it is a bit clunky to use.

I still have a W98 machine on my scanner that can fax.


I suppose I'd have to have a scanner though. I don't. My wife has a little portable she uses for her
scrapbooking, but I don't think my ID card would fold enough to get through the thing.


Mr. Luddite February 5th 14 02:01 PM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
On 2/5/2014 8:51 AM, Poco Loco wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 06:06:42 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/5/2014 1:09 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 13:15:58 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 11:45:45 -0500,
wrote:

On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 08:36:40 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:



My wife, on her Vista machine, lost all her icons on the desktop. Any idea what caused that? I don't
like the idea of playing with her Vista machine.

That is the insidious "desktop cleanup" wizard.
Right click a blank spot on the desk top, click properties, then
desktop, then customize desktop and uncheck the cleanup wizard box.

I think your icons are gone tho.

I am not sure why Bill Gates decided we needed a clean desk top.
I had the same problem with IBM management. ;-)

No, Dick got it right. They're all back.

OK that must be another "Vista" experience that Bill thought you
needed to have.




It's retained in Win 7 although the process is a little different. I
haven't checked Win 8. It's just a simple option to either display all
the icons on your desktop or not.

With:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kvbgi6zq2cxjt3w/with%20icons.jpg

Without:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/tkg0qjl2wf3oebf/without%20icons.jpg


It would seem unnecessary. Except for a few, most are placed there by the user, and if placed there
during a program installation, they're easily removable. For my wife, it was a 'nightmare' when she
lost all her icons (almost literally). She woke me about 1 AM, telling me she still couldn't fix the
problem. I told her to wait until morning...we'd fix it. The next morning I right clicked everything
I could think of, but somehow missed the 'Blank Spot'!



Harry makes a good point about Windows though. I just fired up my
other laptop that runs on Windows 7 Home Premium. I haven't used it
since the end of October. There were over 30 "important" updates to
download and install, a process that took about half an hour.

All I was doing was looking for a picture that was on it for a project I
am working on.




Mr. Luddite February 5th 14 02:07 PM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
On 2/5/2014 8:54 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 01:15:15 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 13:20:57 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:


I've had companies want a fax of my military ID card. They wouldn't take a jpg. So I had to trudge
down to UPS to get the fax sent. Only $1, but a pain in the butt. An excuse for a motorcycle ride
though.


You can fax from your computer if it still has a modem in it. I
haven't seen a built in modem that did not have fax capabilities since
the 486 days.
The problem is POTS modems are starting to disappear in newer
machines.
XP has fax support in the basic load but it is a bit clunky to use.

I still have a W98 machine on my scanner that can fax.


I suppose I'd have to have a scanner though. I don't. My wife has a little portable she uses for her
scrapbooking, but I don't think my ID card would fold enough to get through the thing.



I bought an inexpensive scanner a year ago. It's an Epson V330 and was
$99. I choose it because in addition to doing up to 8.5" x 11" photos
or documents, it also will do film negatives and 35mm slides. My
sister and I were putting together an album of digital images taken from
the slides that my parents had, dating back to the 1950's.

It does a pretty decent job.



Poco Loco February 5th 14 02:16 PM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 09:01:53 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/5/2014 8:51 AM, Poco Loco wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 06:06:42 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/5/2014 1:09 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 13:15:58 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 11:45:45 -0500,
wrote:

On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 08:36:40 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:



My wife, on her Vista machine, lost all her icons on the desktop. Any idea what caused that? I don't
like the idea of playing with her Vista machine.

That is the insidious "desktop cleanup" wizard.
Right click a blank spot on the desk top, click properties, then
desktop, then customize desktop and uncheck the cleanup wizard box.

I think your icons are gone tho.

I am not sure why Bill Gates decided we needed a clean desk top.
I had the same problem with IBM management. ;-)

No, Dick got it right. They're all back.

OK that must be another "Vista" experience that Bill thought you
needed to have.




It's retained in Win 7 although the process is a little different. I
haven't checked Win 8. It's just a simple option to either display all
the icons on your desktop or not.

With:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kvbgi6zq2cxjt3w/with%20icons.jpg

Without:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/tkg0qjl2wf3oebf/without%20icons.jpg


It would seem unnecessary. Except for a few, most are placed there by the user, and if placed there
during a program installation, they're easily removable. For my wife, it was a 'nightmare' when she
lost all her icons (almost literally). She woke me about 1 AM, telling me she still couldn't fix the
problem. I told her to wait until morning...we'd fix it. The next morning I right clicked everything
I could think of, but somehow missed the 'Blank Spot'!



Harry makes a good point about Windows though. I just fired up my
other laptop that runs on Windows 7 Home Premium. I haven't used it
since the end of October. There were over 30 "important" updates to
download and install, a process that took about half an hour.

All I was doing was looking for a picture that was on it for a project I
am working on.



I have noticed a great decline in the number of XP updates coming down the pike. Either it's mostly
fixed, or MS has just given up. Or, maybe I shut the notification off - if that's possible.

Maybe Apple just doesn't notify the user when its downloading and installing an update.


Poco Loco February 5th 14 02:24 PM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 09:07:11 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/5/2014 8:54 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 01:15:15 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 13:20:57 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:


I've had companies want a fax of my military ID card. They wouldn't take a jpg. So I had to trudge
down to UPS to get the fax sent. Only $1, but a pain in the butt. An excuse for a motorcycle ride
though.

You can fax from your computer if it still has a modem in it. I
haven't seen a built in modem that did not have fax capabilities since
the 486 days.
The problem is POTS modems are starting to disappear in newer
machines.
XP has fax support in the basic load but it is a bit clunky to use.

I still have a W98 machine on my scanner that can fax.


I suppose I'd have to have a scanner though. I don't. My wife has a little portable she uses for her
scrapbooking, but I don't think my ID card would fold enough to get through the thing.



I bought an inexpensive scanner a year ago. It's an Epson V330 and was
$99. I choose it because in addition to doing up to 8.5" x 11" photos
or documents, it also will do film negatives and 35mm slides. My
sister and I were putting together an album of digital images taken from
the slides that my parents had, dating back to the 1950's.

It does a pretty decent job.


I used to have a nice Epson scanner, several years ago. It took up too much room. When we moved to
Germanys a box containing all my slides, bayonet collection, and a few other collectibles was
stolen. All the early Germany, Vietnam and Hawaii pictures were on slides. All gone. I'm sure
someone wanted the bayonets.


Mr. Luddite February 5th 14 02:24 PM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
On 2/5/2014 9:16 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 09:01:53 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/5/2014 8:51 AM, Poco Loco wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 06:06:42 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/5/2014 1:09 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 13:15:58 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 11:45:45 -0500,
wrote:

On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 08:36:40 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:



My wife, on her Vista machine, lost all her icons on the desktop. Any idea what caused that? I don't
like the idea of playing with her Vista machine.

That is the insidious "desktop cleanup" wizard.
Right click a blank spot on the desk top, click properties, then
desktop, then customize desktop and uncheck the cleanup wizard box.

I think your icons are gone tho.

I am not sure why Bill Gates decided we needed a clean desk top.
I had the same problem with IBM management. ;-)

No, Dick got it right. They're all back.

OK that must be another "Vista" experience that Bill thought you
needed to have.




It's retained in Win 7 although the process is a little different. I
haven't checked Win 8. It's just a simple option to either display all
the icons on your desktop or not.

With:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kvbgi6zq2cxjt3w/with%20icons.jpg

Without:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/tkg0qjl2wf3oebf/without%20icons.jpg

It would seem unnecessary. Except for a few, most are placed there by the user, and if placed there
during a program installation, they're easily removable. For my wife, it was a 'nightmare' when she
lost all her icons (almost literally). She woke me about 1 AM, telling me she still couldn't fix the
problem. I told her to wait until morning...we'd fix it. The next morning I right clicked everything
I could think of, but somehow missed the 'Blank Spot'!



Harry makes a good point about Windows though. I just fired up my
other laptop that runs on Windows 7 Home Premium. I haven't used it
since the end of October. There were over 30 "important" updates to
download and install, a process that took about half an hour.

All I was doing was looking for a picture that was on it for a project I
am working on.



I have noticed a great decline in the number of XP updates coming down the pike. Either it's mostly
fixed, or MS has just given up. Or, maybe I shut the notification off - if that's possible.

Maybe Apple just doesn't notify the user when its downloading and installing an update.


Beats me but I've never had to go though a reboot due to an update, if
Apple automatically installs them. The only time I've rebooted the
iMac was when I installed the current "Mavericks" OSX.

KC February 5th 14 02:46 PM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
On 2/5/2014 1:15 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 13:20:57 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:


I've had companies want a fax of my military ID card. They wouldn't take a jpg. So I had to trudge
down to UPS to get the fax sent. Only $1, but a pain in the butt. An excuse for a motorcycle ride
though.


You can fax from your computer if it still has a modem in it. I
haven't seen a built in modem that did not have fax capabilities since
the 486 days.
The problem is POTS modems are starting to disappear in newer
machines.
XP has fax support in the basic load but it is a bit clunky to use.

I still have a W98 machine on my scanner that can fax.



We just have a Fax Machine...

Poco Loco February 5th 14 02:58 PM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 09:46:54 -0500, KC wrote:

On 2/5/2014 1:15 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 13:20:57 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:


I've had companies want a fax of my military ID card. They wouldn't take a jpg. So I had to trudge
down to UPS to get the fax sent. Only $1, but a pain in the butt. An excuse for a motorcycle ride
though.


You can fax from your computer if it still has a modem in it. I
haven't seen a built in modem that did not have fax capabilities since
the 486 days.
The problem is POTS modems are starting to disappear in newer
machines.
XP has fax support in the basic load but it is a bit clunky to use.

I still have a W98 machine on my scanner that can fax.



We just have a Fax Machine...


The new printer I got for Christmas does printing, copying, scanning and faxing. I should be in good
shape. All we ever do is black and white. If we need a photo or color, we send it to Costco. There
it's done in an hour or so. Haven't tried the WalMart service yet, but will give it a shot as it's
much closer, and I can pick up some ammo if I need it !!


True North[_2_] February 5th 14 03:44 PM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
On Wednesday, February 5, 2014 10:07:11 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/5/2014 8:54 AM, Poco Loco wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 01:15:15 -0500, wrote:




On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 13:20:57 -0500, Poco Loco


wrote:






I've had companies want a fax of my military ID card. They wouldn't take a jpg. So I had to trudge


down to UPS to get the fax sent. Only $1, but a pain in the butt. An excuse for a motorcycle ride


though.




You can fax from your computer if it still has a modem in it. I


haven't seen a built in modem that did not have fax capabilities since


the 486 days.


The problem is POTS modems are starting to disappear in newer


machines.


XP has fax support in the basic load but it is a bit clunky to use.




I still have a W98 machine on my scanner that can fax.






I suppose I'd have to have a scanner though. I don't. My wife has a little portable she uses for her


scrapbooking, but I don't think my ID card would fold enough to get through the thing.








I bought an inexpensive scanner a year ago. It's an Epson V330 and was

$99. I choose it because in addition to doing up to 8.5" x 11" photos

or documents, it also will do film negatives and 35mm slides. My

sister and I were putting together an album of digital images taken from

the slides that my parents had, dating back to the 1950's.



It does a pretty decent job.


I did the same thing a few years ago.
I went a bit more expensive and bought the Canon Canoscan 8800F.
I was disappointed in the quality of my old 35mm slides from the early 80's.
I remembered them as pretty good projected on a wall, but the Canon picked up every little imperfection.
I believe I had paid about $280.00 at COSTCO for the flatbed scanner.

KC February 5th 14 03:49 PM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
On 2/5/2014 9:58 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 09:46:54 -0500, KC wrote:

On 2/5/2014 1:15 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 13:20:57 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:


I've had companies want a fax of my military ID card. They wouldn't take a jpg. So I had to trudge
down to UPS to get the fax sent. Only $1, but a pain in the butt. An excuse for a motorcycle ride
though.

You can fax from your computer if it still has a modem in it. I
haven't seen a built in modem that did not have fax capabilities since
the 486 days.
The problem is POTS modems are starting to disappear in newer
machines.
XP has fax support in the basic load but it is a bit clunky to use.

I still have a W98 machine on my scanner that can fax.



We just have a Fax Machine...


The new printer I got for Christmas does printing, copying, scanning and faxing. I should be in good
shape. All we ever do is black and white. If we need a photo or color, we send it to Costco. There
it's done in an hour or so. Haven't tried the WalMart service yet, but will give it a shot as it's
much closer, and I can pick up some ammo if I need it !!


Just a note.. Last year we tried Amazon for ink for our Brother
Scanner/Printer/Copy/Fax/fix you a sandwich... printer. We paid 16
dollars for 20 cartridge, yup, less than a dollar a cartridge. We print
a lot and have almost used all of them, ready for another order. Not one
problem, not one issue with any of them or the printer so far.. Just
noting it for you all... Just sayin'...

Poco Loco February 5th 14 04:07 PM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 10:49:16 -0500, KC wrote:

On 2/5/2014 9:58 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 09:46:54 -0500, KC wrote:

On 2/5/2014 1:15 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 13:20:57 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:


I've had companies want a fax of my military ID card. They wouldn't take a jpg. So I had to trudge
down to UPS to get the fax sent. Only $1, but a pain in the butt. An excuse for a motorcycle ride
though.

You can fax from your computer if it still has a modem in it. I
haven't seen a built in modem that did not have fax capabilities since
the 486 days.
The problem is POTS modems are starting to disappear in newer
machines.
XP has fax support in the basic load but it is a bit clunky to use.

I still have a W98 machine on my scanner that can fax.



We just have a Fax Machine...


The new printer I got for Christmas does printing, copying, scanning and faxing. I should be in good
shape. All we ever do is black and white. If we need a photo or color, we send it to Costco. There
it's done in an hour or so. Haven't tried the WalMart service yet, but will give it a shot as it's
much closer, and I can pick up some ammo if I need it !!


Just a note.. Last year we tried Amazon for ink for our Brother
Scanner/Printer/Copy/Fax/fix you a sandwich... printer. We paid 16
dollars for 20 cartridge, yup, less than a dollar a cartridge. We print
a lot and have almost used all of them, ready for another order. Not one
problem, not one issue with any of them or the printer so far.. Just
noting it for you all... Just sayin'...



I believe you. My old HP DeskJet 895 Cxi just keeps on chuggin'. Now Costco will reload the
cartridge while you wait for about $7. I didn't see that sign until after I put the new printer on
my wish list. But, I like the extra capabilities of the Samsung.


Mr. Luddite February 5th 14 06:00 PM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
On 2/5/2014 12:30 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 5 Feb 2014 08:51:17 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 10:04:24 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

Maybe I'll stick with XP even after the support stops.

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...are-in-january

Microsoft has not given their business users any compelling reason to
switch.
If your mission is not significantly changing, why should you change
your hardware and software?
99% of all real business applications ran just fine on Windows 3.1 on
a 396. If you are just doing bookkeeping, inventory and point of sale,
you don't need that much computing power.
All of these flashy graphics do not actually add much to the average
business man's operation.
Hardware is pretty stagnant these days so I am not really sure why
they need a different OS.


Most applications are now moving into the Cloud/Web, there is no real need for lots of horse
power on the average business users system. Also, the cost of developing a web/cloud based
application is that it is immediately executabe on any OS that supports the browser.

Fat PC's are dead.


Yet the PCs are getting bigger every release of the OS.

The cloud is great as long as security and availability are not
important to you.



For $179 you can buy your own "cloud" with 3Tb of storage.

http://www.amazon.com/Cloud-3TB-Personal-Storage-WDBCTL0030HWT-NESN/dp/B00EVVGAC6

KC February 5th 14 06:01 PM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
On 2/5/2014 12:56 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 11:07:40 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

I believe you. My old HP DeskJet 895 Cxi just keeps on chuggin'. Now Costco will reload the
cartridge while you wait for about $7. I didn't see that sign until after I put the new printer on
my wish list. But, I like the extra capabilities of the Samsung.


The operative word is "old". The new ones use a cartridge with a chip
that keeps you from refilling them. If the chip says it is empty,
putting more ink in it will not get it to say full again.
Ink jets are a scam. They give away the printer and make their money
on the ink. Like everything else, 3d parties are trying to take a bite
out of that model tho.

I just prefer a laser. The prints are water proof, you can make
"foils" and they end up cheaper in the long run if you print a lot.


I dunno... Like I said, we pay about 66 cents a cartridge but it's not
available for my Lexmark so not for all jet printers. Thankfully it is
for our Office "Brother"...

KC February 5th 14 06:02 PM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
On 2/5/2014 1:00 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/5/2014 12:30 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 5 Feb 2014 08:51:17 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 10:04:24 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

Maybe I'll stick with XP even after the support stops.

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...are-in-january


Microsoft has not given their business users any compelling reason to
switch.
If your mission is not significantly changing, why should you change
your hardware and software?
99% of all real business applications ran just fine on Windows 3.1 on
a 396. If you are just doing bookkeeping, inventory and point of sale,
you don't need that much computing power.
All of these flashy graphics do not actually add much to the average
business man's operation.
Hardware is pretty stagnant these days so I am not really sure why
they need a different OS.

Most applications are now moving into the Cloud/Web, there is no real
need for lots of horse
power on the average business users system. Also, the cost of
developing a web/cloud based
application is that it is immediately executabe on any OS that
supports the browser.

Fat PC's are dead.


Yet the PCs are getting bigger every release of the OS.

The cloud is great as long as security and availability are not
important to you.



For $179 you can buy your own "cloud" with 3Tb of storage.

http://www.amazon.com/Cloud-3TB-Personal-Storage-WDBCTL0030HWT-NESN/dp/B00EVVGAC6


Yeah, we are looking at that..

Boating All Out February 5th 14 06:42 PM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
In article ,
says...

On Wed, 5 Feb 2014 08:51:17 -0500, BAR wrote:


Fat PC's are dead.


Yet the PCs are getting bigger every release of the OS.

The cloud is great as long as security and availability are not
important to you.


Fat PC's might be getting more scarce because components are smaller and
don't need cooling.
My 4 year old case is about 4 times larger than the typical PC.
Massive, but space in no concern, and components are ridiculously
easy to swap.
Thing is, except for graphics cards and an SSD, I haven't had to open
the case.
The cloud won't replace the desk top and on-site processing.

Poco Loco February 5th 14 07:12 PM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 12:35:27 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 08:54:10 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 01:15:15 -0500,
wrote:

On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 13:20:57 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:


I've had companies want a fax of my military ID card. They wouldn't take a jpg. So I had to trudge
down to UPS to get the fax sent. Only $1, but a pain in the butt. An excuse for a motorcycle ride
though.

You can fax from your computer if it still has a modem in it. I
haven't seen a built in modem that did not have fax capabilities since
the 486 days.
The problem is POTS modems are starting to disappear in newer
machines.
XP has fax support in the basic load but it is a bit clunky to use.

I still have a W98 machine on my scanner that can fax.


I suppose I'd have to have a scanner though. I don't. My wife has a little portable she uses for her
scrapbooking, but I don't think my ID card would fold enough to get through the thing.


You did say "jpg" so I assumed you had a jpg of your card. A digital
camera will work for that.


Yeah. Instead of faxes, I take a photo and attach the jpg to an email. Most places will accept that.
Some want a fax through their fax machine. Don't know why. I could always take the photo, print it
in black and white, and then fax the print. They don't seem to understand that.

I've taken a photo of the front and back, put them on a Word document, and attach it as necessary.
Works for getting a retired discount on a gun. Of course, I had to show the original to the FFL guy.


Califbill February 5th 14 07:20 PM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
KC wrote:
On 2/5/2014 1:00 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/5/2014 12:30 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 5 Feb 2014 08:51:17 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 10:04:24 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

Maybe I'll stick with XP even after the support stops.

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...are-in-january


Microsoft has not given their business users any compelling reason to
switch.
If your mission is not significantly changing, why should you change
your hardware and software?
99% of all real business applications ran just fine on Windows 3.1 on
a 396. If you are just doing bookkeeping, inventory and point of sale,
you don't need that much computing power.
All of these flashy graphics do not actually add much to the average
business man's operation.
Hardware is pretty stagnant these days so I am not really sure why
they need a different OS.

Most applications are now moving into the Cloud/Web, there is no real
need for lots of horse
power on the average business users system. Also, the cost of
developing a web/cloud based
application is that it is immediately executabe on any OS that
supports the browser.

Fat PC's are dead.

Yet the PCs are getting bigger every release of the OS.

The cloud is great as long as security and availability are not
important to you.



For $179 you can buy your own "cloud" with 3Tb of storage.

http://www.amazon.com/Cloud-3TB-Personal-Storage-WDBCTL0030HWT-NESN/dp/B00EVVGAC6


Yeah, we are looking at that..


Any 3tb storage I am going to want a raid or at least a mirror drive setup.

Califbill February 5th 14 07:20 PM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 09:58:40 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

The new printer I got for Christmas does printing, copying, scanning and
faxing. I should be in good
shape. All we ever do is black and white. If we need a photo or color,
we send it to Costco. There
it's done in an hour or so. Haven't tried the WalMart service yet, but
will give it a shot as it's
much closer, and I can pick up some ammo if I need it !!


I do mine at CVS but there are lots of places that will sell you Kodak
prints for 29 cents or less a shot. I use the cheaper "one hour"
service but I drop them off on the way to the grocery store (in the
same parking lot) and they are always done by the time I get my
groceries.

It was not even worth keeping a color printer fed and buying photo
paper for that price. I gave mine away when the ink ran out.


I send the pictures to costco on line and we pick up whenever we get there.
I think the only color printing I do now is for pictures on the back of
the Christmas letter. Normally have to buy new ink cartridge after a year.
Everything else I print in grey tones. Lad lots of that is fast draft
mode.

Califbill February 5th 14 07:20 PM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 09:07:11 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/5/2014 8:54 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 01:15:15 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 13:20:57 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:


I've had companies want a fax of my military ID card. They wouldn't
take a jpg. So I had to trudge
down to UPS to get the fax sent. Only $1, but a pain in the butt. An
excuse for a motorcycle ride
though.

You can fax from your computer if it still has a modem in it. I
haven't seen a built in modem that did not have fax capabilities since
the 486 days.
The problem is POTS modems are starting to disappear in newer
machines.
XP has fax support in the basic load but it is a bit clunky to use.

I still have a W98 machine on my scanner that can fax.


I suppose I'd have to have a scanner though. I don't. My wife has a
little portable she uses for her
scrapbooking, but I don't think my ID card would fold enough to get through the thing.



I bought an inexpensive scanner a year ago. It's an Epson V330 and was
$99. I choose it because in addition to doing up to 8.5" x 11" photos
or documents, it also will do film negatives and 35mm slides. My
sister and I were putting together an album of digital images taken from
the slides that my parents had, dating back to the 1950's.

It does a pretty decent job.


I am still getting along OK with my old HP SCSI scanner. If it craps
out, I still have another one. ;-)
I did get rid of my sheet scanner when I stopped all of that faxing to
the state.


I have an all in one HP. Expensive ink. Rarely fax anymore, but scan in
and email the scan. Very handy, for a lot of small scan jobs.

Poco Loco February 5th 14 07:22 PM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 12:49:49 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 09:58:40 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

The new printer I got for Christmas does printing, copying, scanning and faxing. I should be in good
shape. All we ever do is black and white. If we need a photo or color, we send it to Costco. There
it's done in an hour or so. Haven't tried the WalMart service yet, but will give it a shot as it's
much closer, and I can pick up some ammo if I need it !!


I do mine at CVS but there are lots of places that will sell you Kodak
prints for 29 cents or less a shot. I use the cheaper "one hour"
service but I drop them off on the way to the grocery store (in the
same parking lot) and they are always done by the time I get my
groceries.

It was not even worth keeping a color printer fed and buying photo
paper for that price. I gave mine away when the ink ran out.


I've not bought a color cartridge in several years. Costco does a much better job at photo printing
than I could do at home, and it's a lot cheaper at 13 cents for a 4x6, and a tad over $1 for an
8x10.


Poco Loco February 5th 14 07:24 PM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 12:56:44 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 11:07:40 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

I believe you. My old HP DeskJet 895 Cxi just keeps on chuggin'. Now Costco will reload the
cartridge while you wait for about $7. I didn't see that sign until after I put the new printer on
my wish list. But, I like the extra capabilities of the Samsung.


The operative word is "old". The new ones use a cartridge with a chip
that keeps you from refilling them. If the chip says it is empty,
putting more ink in it will not get it to say full again.
Ink jets are a scam. They give away the printer and make their money
on the ink. Like everything else, 3d parties are trying to take a bite
out of that model tho.

I just prefer a laser. The prints are water proof, you can make
"foils" and they end up cheaper in the long run if you print a lot.


I was reading a forum about the Samsung laser printer. The folks were saying that when the printer
says the toner is running out to put in a new cartridge, crank up the printer, and then put the old
cartridge back in. This fooled the printer into thinking it was full again. Then they'd run with the
old cartridge until print quality went to hell.


Wayne.B February 5th 14 11:13 PM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 09:01:53 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

There were over 30 "important" updates to
download and install, a process that took about half an hour.

All I was doing was looking for a picture that was on it for a project I
am working on.


===

You can fix that by changing the update settings:


Control Panel\System and Security\Windows Update\Change settings\Check
for updates but let me choose when to install them


Mr. Luddite February 5th 14 11:54 PM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
On 2/5/2014 6:13 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 09:01:53 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

There were over 30 "important" updates to
download and install, a process that took about half an hour.

All I was doing was looking for a picture that was on it for a project I
am working on.


===

You can fix that by changing the update settings:


Control Panel\System and Security\Windows Update\Change settings\Check
for updates but let me choose when to install them



That's how I have it set up. When I fired it up a notification came up
telling me there were 30+ "important" Windows updates and asked me what
I wanted to do with them. Since I hadn't used it for almost 4 months I
installed them all.

Oh ... then after that was done, Java wanted to update also.
Then the Adobe Viewer wanted to update.
Then the AVG anti-virus wanted to update.

Just took a little time to update and install them all, that's all.



F.O.A.D. February 6th 14 12:11 AM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
On 2/5/14, 6:54 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/5/2014 6:13 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 09:01:53 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

There were over 30 "important" updates to
download and install, a process that took about half an hour.

All I was doing was looking for a picture that was on it for a project I
am working on.


===

You can fix that by changing the update settings:


Control Panel\System and Security\Windows Update\Change settings\Check
for updates but let me choose when to install them



That's how I have it set up. When I fired it up a notification came up
telling me there were 30+ "important" Windows updates and asked me what
I wanted to do with them. Since I hadn't used it for almost 4 months I
installed them all.

Oh ... then after that was done, Java wanted to update also.
Then the Adobe Viewer wanted to update.
Then the AVG anti-virus wanted to update.

Just took a little time to update and install them all, that's all.



Hmm. I unpacked my new iMac earlier today, had it restore what I wanted
from a Time Machine backup, and then went to lunch. Got back an hour
later, the new machine was up and running, and indicated I had updates
waiting on three programs.

Hank February 6th 14 12:54 AM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
On 2/5/2014 10:44 AM, True North wrote:
On Wednesday, February 5, 2014 10:07:11 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/5/2014 8:54 AM, Poco Loco wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 01:15:15 -0500, wrote:




On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 13:20:57 -0500, Poco Loco


wrote:






I've had companies want a fax of my military ID card. They wouldn't take a jpg. So I had to trudge


down to UPS to get the fax sent. Only $1, but a pain in the butt. An excuse for a motorcycle ride


though.




You can fax from your computer if it still has a modem in it. I


haven't seen a built in modem that did not have fax capabilities since


the 486 days.


The problem is POTS modems are starting to disappear in newer


machines.


XP has fax support in the basic load but it is a bit clunky to use.




I still have a W98 machine on my scanner that can fax.






I suppose I'd have to have a scanner though. I don't. My wife has a little portable she uses for her


scrapbooking, but I don't think my ID card would fold enough to get through the thing.








I bought an inexpensive scanner a year ago. It's an Epson V330 and was

$99. I choose it because in addition to doing up to 8.5" x 11" photos

or documents, it also will do film negatives and 35mm slides. My

sister and I were putting together an album of digital images taken from

the slides that my parents had, dating back to the 1950's.



It does a pretty decent job.


I did the same thing a few years ago.
I went a bit more expensive and bought the Canon Canoscan 8800F.
I was disappointed in the quality of my old 35mm slides from the early 80's.
I remembered them as pretty good projected on a wall, but the Canon picked up every little imperfection.
I believe I had paid about $280.00 at COSTCO for the flatbed scanner.

Is your I key sticking Donnie?

True North[_2_] February 6th 14 12:59 AM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
Aye aye, swabbie.

KC February 6th 14 01:12 AM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
On 2/5/2014 6:54 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/5/2014 6:13 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 09:01:53 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

There were over 30 "important" updates to
download and install, a process that took about half an hour.

All I was doing was looking for a picture that was on it for a project I
am working on.


===

You can fix that by changing the update settings:


Control Panel\System and Security\Windows Update\Change settings\Check
for updates but let me choose when to install them



That's how I have it set up. When I fired it up a notification came up
telling me there were 30+ "important" Windows updates and asked me what
I wanted to do with them. Since I hadn't used it for almost 4 months I
installed them all.

Oh ... then after that was done, Java wanted to update also.
Then the Adobe Viewer wanted to update.
Then the AVG anti-virus wanted to update.

Just took a little time to update and install them all, that's all.



You guys seem to forget, PC's are under much more constant attack than
Mac, as one friend put it, "it's based on market share, when it comes to
writing viruses and Mac, who cares?" ... My Win 7 updates at night
when it backs up, I never see it...

Wayne.B February 6th 14 04:42 AM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 20:12:10 -0500, KC wrote:

You guys seem to forget, PC's are under much more constant attack than
Mac, as one friend put it, "it's based on market share, when it comes to
writing viruses and Mac, who cares?" ... My Win 7 updates at night
when it backs up, I never see it...


===

There was an interesting story on the news the other night about
someone who took a brand new Mac to the site of the winter Olympics.
Within an hour it became infected with a virus. The Russian hackers
have set up in full force.

Califbill February 6th 14 05:41 AM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 20:12:10 -0500, KC wrote:

You guys seem to forget, PC's are under much more constant attack than
Mac, as one friend put it, "it's based on market share, when it comes to
writing viruses and Mac, who cares?" ... My Win 7 updates at night
when it backs up, I never see it...


===

There was an interesting story on the news the other night about
someone who took a brand new Mac to the site of the winter Olympics.
Within an hour it became infected with a virus. The Russian hackers
have set up in full force.


The paper here had an article that everything was hacked within a couple
minutes of being used. I think CBS had a couple PC's and phones just for
the testing of security and both were attacked for info within minutes of
going online. We need a counter attack program. Follows the links to the
attacking system and loots all values from the heir system.

Califbill February 6th 14 05:41 AM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 13:20:26 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 09:58:40 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

The new printer I got for Christmas does printing, copying, scanning and
faxing. I should be in good
shape. All we ever do is black and white. If we need a photo or color,
we send it to Costco. There
it's done in an hour or so. Haven't tried the WalMart service yet, but
will give it a shot as it's
much closer, and I can pick up some ammo if I need it !!

I do mine at CVS but there are lots of places that will sell you Kodak
prints for 29 cents or less a shot. I use the cheaper "one hour"
service but I drop them off on the way to the grocery store (in the
same parking lot) and they are always done by the time I get my
groceries.

It was not even worth keeping a color printer fed and buying photo
paper for that price. I gave mine away when the ink ran out.


I send the pictures to costco on line and we pick up whenever we get there.
I think the only color printing I do now is for pictures on the back of
the Christmas letter. Normally have to buy new ink cartridge after a year.
Everything else I print in grey tones. Lad lots of that is fast draft
mode.


My wife still likes photo albums so I end up getting prints. CVS is
easy and a quarter a print isn't bad. Certainly not worth driving very
far to save another nickel. I am at the store a few times a week
anyway. There is a Walgreens in the same parking lot if I get mad at
them.


We are not that far from a Costco. Wife normally fills her gas tank there.
Is cheapest gas around here. I think it is now $0.09 a print. We
actually do not print that many hard copies anymore. Rarely look at the
old albums.

Poco Loco February 6th 14 01:55 PM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 23:21:44 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 14:12:40 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 12:35:27 -0500,
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 08:54:10 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 01:15:15 -0500,
wrote:

On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 13:20:57 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:


I've had companies want a fax of my military ID card. They wouldn't take a jpg. So I had to trudge
down to UPS to get the fax sent. Only $1, but a pain in the butt. An excuse for a motorcycle ride
though.

You can fax from your computer if it still has a modem in it. I
haven't seen a built in modem that did not have fax capabilities since
the 486 days.
The problem is POTS modems are starting to disappear in newer
machines.
XP has fax support in the basic load but it is a bit clunky to use.

I still have a W98 machine on my scanner that can fax.


I suppose I'd have to have a scanner though. I don't. My wife has a little portable she uses for her
scrapbooking, but I don't think my ID card would fold enough to get through the thing.

You did say "jpg" so I assumed you had a jpg of your card. A digital
camera will work for that.


Yeah. Instead of faxes, I take a photo and attach the jpg to an email. Most places will accept that.
Some want a fax through their fax machine. Don't know why. I could always take the photo, print it
in black and white, and then fax the print. They don't seem to understand that.

I've taken a photo of the front and back, put them on a Word document, and attach it as necessary.
Works for getting a retired discount on a gun. Of course, I had to show the original to the FFL guy.


Once you have the JPG, Windows fax manager (or whatever they call it)
will roll that up into a fax and send it just like you scanned it as a
TIF (what most computer faxes end up being)

I still prefer other fax programs tho that are easier to use.
My W98 machine runs faxworks and that is as easy as the old school fax
machine if you have a sheet scanner.
The multifunction machines are pretty intuitive too.


Well see? I just learned something. Have you got a fax machine? I need someone with a fax machine to
be a guinea pig so I can see how to send one.

BTW, did you get the email I sent?


KC February 6th 14 02:03 PM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
On 2/6/2014 8:55 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 23:21:44 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 14:12:40 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 12:35:27 -0500,
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 08:54:10 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 01:15:15 -0500,
wrote:

On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 13:20:57 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:


I've had companies want a fax of my military ID card. They wouldn't take a jpg. So I had to trudge
down to UPS to get the fax sent. Only $1, but a pain in the butt. An excuse for a motorcycle ride
though.

You can fax from your computer if it still has a modem in it. I
haven't seen a built in modem that did not have fax capabilities since
the 486 days.
The problem is POTS modems are starting to disappear in newer
machines.
XP has fax support in the basic load but it is a bit clunky to use.

I still have a W98 machine on my scanner that can fax.


I suppose I'd have to have a scanner though. I don't. My wife has a little portable she uses for her
scrapbooking, but I don't think my ID card would fold enough to get through the thing.

You did say "jpg" so I assumed you had a jpg of your card. A digital
camera will work for that.

Yeah. Instead of faxes, I take a photo and attach the jpg to an email. Most places will accept that.
Some want a fax through their fax machine. Don't know why. I could always take the photo, print it
in black and white, and then fax the print. They don't seem to understand that.

I've taken a photo of the front and back, put them on a Word document, and attach it as necessary.
Works for getting a retired discount on a gun. Of course, I had to show the original to the FFL guy.


Once you have the JPG, Windows fax manager (or whatever they call it)
will roll that up into a fax and send it just like you scanned it as a
TIF (what most computer faxes end up being)

I still prefer other fax programs tho that are easier to use.
My W98 machine runs faxworks and that is as easy as the old school fax
machine if you have a sheet scanner.
The multifunction machines are pretty intuitive too.


Well see? I just learned something. Have you got a fax machine? I need someone with a fax machine to
be a guinea pig so I can see how to send one.

BTW, did you get the email I sent?


I got a standard fax machine I can hook up if you want to send a fax...
Just let me know when and I will plug it into the business line and I
can give you that number, it's public..

Hank February 6th 14 02:36 PM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
On 2/6/2014 8:55 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
I need someone with a fax machine to
be a guinea pig so I can see how to send one.

I'd be glad to help you out tomorrow late afternoon or evening, if you
can wait that long

Poco Loco February 6th 14 05:43 PM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 11:40:00 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 08:55:51 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 23:21:44 -0500,
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 14:12:40 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 12:35:27 -0500,
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 08:54:10 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 01:15:15 -0500,
wrote:

On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 13:20:57 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:


I've had companies want a fax of my military ID card. They wouldn't take a jpg. So I had to trudge
down to UPS to get the fax sent. Only $1, but a pain in the butt. An excuse for a motorcycle ride
though.

You can fax from your computer if it still has a modem in it. I
haven't seen a built in modem that did not have fax capabilities since
the 486 days.
The problem is POTS modems are starting to disappear in newer
machines.
XP has fax support in the basic load but it is a bit clunky to use.

I still have a W98 machine on my scanner that can fax.


I suppose I'd have to have a scanner though. I don't. My wife has a little portable she uses for her
scrapbooking, but I don't think my ID card would fold enough to get through the thing.

You did say "jpg" so I assumed you had a jpg of your card. A digital
camera will work for that.

Yeah. Instead of faxes, I take a photo and attach the jpg to an email. Most places will accept that.
Some want a fax through their fax machine. Don't know why. I could always take the photo, print it
in black and white, and then fax the print. They don't seem to understand that.

I've taken a photo of the front and back, put them on a Word document, and attach it as necessary.
Works for getting a retired discount on a gun. Of course, I had to show the original to the FFL guy.

Once you have the JPG, Windows fax manager (or whatever they call it)
will roll that up into a fax and send it just like you scanned it as a
TIF (what most computer faxes end up being)

I still prefer other fax programs tho that are easier to use.
My W98 machine runs faxworks and that is as easy as the old school fax
machine if you have a sheet scanner.
The multifunction machines are pretty intuitive too.


Well see? I just learned something. Have you got a fax machine? I need someone with a fax machine to
be a guinea pig so I can see how to send one.

BTW, did you get the email I sent?


No I never got it or it got dumped in my spam folder. I will look
again


Never mind. You answered in my salmonbait account which I couldn't find after loading the new
Chrome. I found it and answered.



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