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Mr. Luddite February 4th 14 12:34 AM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
On 2/3/2014 7:18 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/3/2014 6:22 PM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, February 3, 2014 4:42:59 PM UTC-6, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,

says...





What is a 'hard reset'?



When you have to power off your PC because it doesn't respond to

keyboard or mouse input.

I've had to do that with my old box. even unplugged it for a day. That helped.


Just needed a rest after a hard fought debate with Harry. :-)


You want a tonic?


Funny you said that because a friend and I were just discussing "tonic".
Growing up here in MA it was almost always used to refer to a soft
drink like Coke or Pepsi but it's use seems to be fading with younger
generations. If I asked a 14 year old or even a 20 year old if they
wanted "tonic" they wouldn't know what I was talking about.

"Soda" or "Pop" hasn't caught on though as used in most parts of the
country. The soft drinks up here are now referred to by name, i.e.
"I'll have a Pepsi" or "Coke" or whatever.



Mr. Luddite February 4th 14 12:44 AM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
On 2/3/2014 7:20 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
F.O.A.D. wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:

Apple offers incremental improvements to its OS, not do-overs, and its
price is right. Mavericks, the latest, costs $0.00. I was going to put
Win 7 on my Macbook Air, but for $100+, I simply decided not to waste the money.


True, Mavericks was a free upgrade but not without some disappointments.
It will not run some popular programs that previous versions of the Apple OSX ran.

An example is Pro-Tools 9. I had a brand new, unopened box with
Pro-Tools that I was looking forward to installing in the iMac once I
became familiar with it. Pro-Tools is a professional grade audio
recording software package.

Pro-Tools isn't cheap. The current version is $699. I decided to install
my copy only to find out that Mavericks (which I upgraded to a month ago)
won't run it. My options are to revert back to the older, 10.8.5 OSX
(whatever they called it) or go out and purchase the newer version.

I'll stick with the full Garage Band for now.

That all said though, I like the iMac. Nice display and is faster for
some of the things I like to do with audio and video. For many purposes
though I still think it's an overgrown, high priced iPhone. :-)


There isn't one windoze app I used to use that I haven't found a better
replacement for on my macs. Even the Mac version of ms office suite runs
better. The photo apps are better. The big database manager I use is
better. I am sure there are better windoze apps out there but I don't use
them.


P.s. My new Mac is "preparing for shipment" but from where I don't know.
Could be china, the USA, or Ireland .


When Mrs.E. bought the iMac for me she also bought the MS Office Suite.
I haven't installed it yet. She also bought one for herself and
installed it on her iMac.

My next purchase will be a decent printer. I've had no need for one for
years. Anything I needed to print I would just send to my wife and she'd
print it on her laser printer. However, I have been recently retained
to do some consulting work related to the business I was in and will
need to get a printer. Her laser printer is not wireless, (I don't
think) so I can't use it on the home network. I should check that though.

I noticed most people now are using Adobe PDF files for most things.
All the communications and documents I've received so far from the
company I am working with use it. I noticed you can now subscribe to
it's use for something like $19/mo. Might do that rather than buy the
software.





F.O.A.D. February 4th 14 01:14 AM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
On 2/3/14, 7:44 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/3/2014 7:20 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
F.O.A.D. wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:

Apple offers incremental improvements to its OS, not do-overs, and
its
price is right. Mavericks, the latest, costs $0.00. I was going to
put
Win 7 on my Macbook Air, but for $100+, I simply decided not to
waste the money.


True, Mavericks was a free upgrade but not without some
disappointments.
It will not run some popular programs that previous versions of the
Apple OSX ran.

An example is Pro-Tools 9. I had a brand new, unopened box with
Pro-Tools that I was looking forward to installing in the iMac once I
became familiar with it. Pro-Tools is a professional grade audio
recording software package.

Pro-Tools isn't cheap. The current version is $699. I decided to
install
my copy only to find out that Mavericks (which I upgraded to a month
ago)
won't run it. My options are to revert back to the older, 10.8.5 OSX
(whatever they called it) or go out and purchase the newer version.

I'll stick with the full Garage Band for now.

That all said though, I like the iMac. Nice display and is faster for
some of the things I like to do with audio and video. For many
purposes
though I still think it's an overgrown, high priced iPhone. :-)

There isn't one windoze app I used to use that I haven't found a better
replacement for on my macs. Even the Mac version of ms office suite runs
better. The photo apps are better. The big database manager I use is
better. I am sure there are better windoze apps out there but I don't
use
them.


P.s. My new Mac is "preparing for shipment" but from where I don't know.
Could be china, the USA, or Ireland .


When Mrs.E. bought the iMac for me she also bought the MS Office Suite.
I haven't installed it yet. She also bought one for herself and
installed it on her iMac.

My next purchase will be a decent printer. I've had no need for one for
years. Anything I needed to print I would just send to my wife and she'd
print it on her laser printer. However, I have been recently retained
to do some consulting work related to the business I was in and will
need to get a printer. Her laser printer is not wireless, (I don't
think) so I can't use it on the home network. I should check that though.

I noticed most people now are using Adobe PDF files for most things. All
the communications and documents I've received so far from the company I
am working with use it. I noticed you can now subscribe to it's use
for something like $19/mo. Might do that rather than buy the software.




Brother has some decent and really inexpensive laser printers.

--
There’s no point crying over spilled 4-Methylcyclohexanemethanol.

Wayne.B February 4th 14 01:20 AM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 19:44:53 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Her laser printer is not wireless, (I don't
think) so I can't use it on the home network. I should check that though.


===

As long as her computer is on the network, and as long as her printer
is capable of being defined as a "network printer", it should work
fine. You just have to go through the "add printer" process and look
for it on the network. I use my wife's printer like that all the
time. On the other hand, printers have gotten really cheap and you'll
find it more convenient to have your own if you use it a lot.

F.O.A.D. February 4th 14 02:45 AM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
On 2/3/14, 9:09 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 17:18:51 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/3/14, 2:49 PM,
wrote:
On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 11:49:45 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/3/14, 11:46 AM,
wrote:
On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 10:04:24 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

Maybe I'll stick with XP even after the support stops.

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...are-in-january

Microsoft has not given their business users any compelling reason to
switch.
If your mission is not significantly changing, why should you change
your hardware and software?
99% of all real business applications ran just fine on Windows 3.1 on
a 396. If you are just doing bookkeeping, inventory and point of sale,
you don't need that much computing power.
All of these flashy graphics do not actually add much to the average
business man's operation.
Hardware is pretty stagnant these days so I am not really sure why
they need a different OS.



Apple offers incremental improvements to its OS, not do-overs, and its
price is right. Mavericks, the latest, costs $0.00. I was going to put
Win 7 on my Macbook Air, but for $100+, I simply decided not to waste
the money.

The OS is not free, it is just bundled into the overpriced hardware.
IBM did the same thing with the System 360, all the software was free
including on site support ... until LBJ sued them over it.

Apple gets away with it because they are still a small player.




Apple is giving away its OS to users with five and six year old
computers. It's hardly bundled for those users. Oh, and I recently
perused the web pages of two large Windoze computer suppliers for a
laptop similar to mine and a desktop similar to what I ordered. There
was less than $100 price difference either way, and what I saw from Dell
and HP were rather clunky desktops or all in ones and laptops that are
two generations behind in design. And of course, they run Windoze.


So you are saying that if I cobbled up a machine from parts that would
run the Apple OS they would give it to me?

Yeah, you seem like a hackintosh kinda guy.

--
There’s no point crying over spilled 4-Methylcyclohexanemethanol.

F.O.A.D. February 4th 14 02:58 AM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
F.O.A.D. wrote:
F.O.A.D. wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:

Apple offers incremental improvements to its OS, not do-overs, and its
price is right. Mavericks, the latest, costs $0.00. I was going to put
Win 7 on my Macbook Air, but for $100+, I simply decided not to waste the money.


True, Mavericks was a free upgrade but not without some disappointments.
It will not run some popular programs that previous versions of the Apple OSX ran.

An example is Pro-Tools 9. I had a brand new, unopened box with
Pro-Tools that I was looking forward to installing in the iMac once I
became familiar with it. Pro-Tools is a professional grade audio
recording software package.

Pro-Tools isn't cheap. The current version is $699. I decided to install
my copy only to find out that Mavericks (which I upgraded to a month ago)
won't run it. My options are to revert back to the older, 10.8.5 OSX
(whatever they called it) or go out and purchase the newer version.

I'll stick with the full Garage Band for now.

That all said though, I like the iMac. Nice display and is faster for
some of the things I like to do with audio and video. For many purposes
though I still think it's an overgrown, high priced iPhone. :-)


There isn't one windoze app I used to use that I haven't found a better
replacement for on my macs. Even the Mac version of ms office suite runs
better. The photo apps are better. The big database manager I use is
better. I am sure there are better windoze apps out there but I don't use
them.


P.s. My new Mac is "preparing for shipment" but from where I don't know.
Could be china, the USA, or Ireland .


USA assembly...from apple facility in California .

Boating All Out February 4th 14 03:37 AM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
In article ,
says...


If there is one thing I really miss from DOS and W/3.x it is that we
lost the RAM drive capability. At a certain point you get better
performance using RAM to cache your hard drive than to just give it to
the OS to use. That is particularly true in a data intensive
application like dBase.


You can use a RAM disk with Win 7.
No real reason to, but there it is.

KC February 4th 14 04:31 AM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
On 2/3/2014 7:44 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/3/2014 7:20 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
F.O.A.D. wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:

Apple offers incremental improvements to its OS, not do-overs, and
its
price is right. Mavericks, the latest, costs $0.00. I was going to
put
Win 7 on my Macbook Air, but for $100+, I simply decided not to
waste the money.


True, Mavericks was a free upgrade but not without some
disappointments.
It will not run some popular programs that previous versions of the
Apple OSX ran.

An example is Pro-Tools 9. I had a brand new, unopened box with
Pro-Tools that I was looking forward to installing in the iMac once I
became familiar with it. Pro-Tools is a professional grade audio
recording software package.

Pro-Tools isn't cheap. The current version is $699. I decided to
install
my copy only to find out that Mavericks (which I upgraded to a month
ago)
won't run it. My options are to revert back to the older, 10.8.5 OSX
(whatever they called it) or go out and purchase the newer version.

I'll stick with the full Garage Band for now.

That all said though, I like the iMac. Nice display and is faster for
some of the things I like to do with audio and video. For many
purposes
though I still think it's an overgrown, high priced iPhone. :-)

There isn't one windoze app I used to use that I haven't found a better
replacement for on my macs. Even the Mac version of ms office suite runs
better. The photo apps are better. The big database manager I use is
better. I am sure there are better windoze apps out there but I don't
use
them.


P.s. My new Mac is "preparing for shipment" but from where I don't know.
Could be china, the USA, or Ireland .


When Mrs.E. bought the iMac for me she also bought the MS Office Suite.
I haven't installed it yet. She also bought one for herself and
installed it on her iMac.

My next purchase will be a decent printer. I've had no need for one for
years. Anything I needed to print I would just send to my wife and she'd
print it on her laser printer. However, I have been recently retained
to do some consulting work related to the business I was in and will
need to get a printer. Her laser printer is not wireless, (I don't
think) so I can't use it on the home network. I should check that though.

I noticed most people now are using Adobe PDF files for most things. All
the communications and documents I've received so far from the company I
am working with use it. I noticed you can now subscribe to it's use
for something like $19/mo. Might do that rather than buy the software.





PDF's for sure.. As to writing them Kingsoft does it I think I will
check. Our printer is a Brother, it's wireless and we found ink on
Amazon for about 4 dollars a cartridge.. Yes, not a misprint... It is a
workhorse, scans, copies, etc...

KC February 4th 14 04:52 AM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
On 2/3/2014 9:54 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 3 Feb 2014 16:42:59 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article ,
says...


What is a 'hard reset'?


When you have to power off your PC because it doesn't respond to
keyboard or mouse input.


I can't remember the last time I had to do that on XP. It was not
uncommon on W/98 but usually when you were screwing with new hardware
and drivers.
I just loaded a W/98 machine Saturday. I had one of those.
It turned out to be a bad, on board LAN adapter.
I just plugged in a card and epoxied a blank RJ45 in the board hole so
I would not forget ... again. ;-)
It is my new MP3 player.

BTW if someone finds a newer technology MP3 player that will run from
my Seeburg wall box I'm listening.
It needs to run from a num pad.


Don't know about that, but I bet there is a 4 dollar and 99 cent MP3
player on Amazon that will run, *despite* your Seeburg Wall Box...:) I
know you guys love to see who can be the biggest Luddite, but there is a
point where it isn't much more than folly.. Not that there is anything
wrong with that..:)

Wayne.B February 4th 14 05:15 AM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 21:45:54 -0500, wrote:

If there is one thing I really miss from DOS and W/3.x it is that we
lost the RAM drive capability. At a certain point you get better
performance using RAM to cache your hard drive than to just give it to
the OS to use. That is particularly true in a data intensive
application like dBase.


===

Ask and you shall receive:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/26091..._ram_disk.html

Of course all of that is predicated on having lots of RAM and a more
or less recent version of Windows, preferably a 64 bit version which
can leverage more than 4 gig of RAM.

The newer machines with lots of RAM and more up to date versions of
Windows also do a good job of creating a virtual cache. Of course
the controller board for newer hard disks usually has a fair amount of
cache built in.

With all due respect, a lot has happened since Win 3.2 and Win95.

I could offer you a good price on an 2 x 4 processor server blade with
Win-7 64 bit professional pre-installed. The fans are a tad noisy but
tolerable. Power consumption running all 8 processor cores flat out
is about 175 watts.

The speed is amazing with applications that can multiprocess.



Wayne.B February 4th 14 05:17 AM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 21:54:33 -0500, wrote:

BTW if someone finds a newer technology MP3 player that will run from
my Seeburg wall box I'm listening.


===

What is a Seeburg wall box ? Does it have an Aux input jack?

KC February 4th 14 08:31 AM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
On 2/4/2014 2:25 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 23:52:19 -0500, KC wrote:

On 2/3/2014 9:54 PM,
wrote:
On Mon, 3 Feb 2014 16:42:59 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article ,
says...


What is a 'hard reset'?

When you have to power off your PC because it doesn't respond to
keyboard or mouse input.

I can't remember the last time I had to do that on XP. It was not
uncommon on W/98 but usually when you were screwing with new hardware
and drivers.
I just loaded a W/98 machine Saturday. I had one of those.
It turned out to be a bad, on board LAN adapter.
I just plugged in a card and epoxied a blank RJ45 in the board hole so
I would not forget ... again. ;-)
It is my new MP3 player.

BTW if someone finds a newer technology MP3 player that will run from
my Seeburg wall box I'm listening.
It needs to run from a num pad.


Don't know about that, but I bet there is a 4 dollar and 99 cent MP3
player on Amazon that will run, *despite* your Seeburg Wall Box...:) I
know you guys love to see who can be the biggest Luddite, but there is a
point where it isn't much more than folly.. Not that there is anything
wrong with that..:)


The wall box is just a novelty thing but I like it.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/judybar.jpg

I have a bunch of commercial MP3 players. (3 in vehicles and 3 pocket
style. I even had an Ipod for a week before we gave it to my father in
law. They are all a pain in the ass if you want to hear a particular
song.

My wife has the "sync" in her Lincoln that you can talk to but it is
set up to recognize her voice, not so much mine.
I don't think it is any more distracting to punch a number into a 10
key than to try to get the Sync to understand what you want.


I have 1800 songs or so and not one I don't like so I don't go
searching.. Just like listening to a radio station with no commercials,
and no **** music:0


Running MPXPLAY you can just punch up a song by number.
I know there is a plug in for Winamp to do that too but it was pretty
clunky and I gave up on it.

BTW I looked this evening and there os a version of MPXPLAY that runs
on XP now. I tried the Beta a while ago and it wasn't ready for the
public yet.
I may reload at least one of my W/98 machines to XP and take it for a
spin.
I played with it a little tonight and it looks good so far.
14 years ago when I first started with PC based players I had a pretty
long Email exchange with Atilla the Hungarian (the developer) and at
least one of my suggestions made it to the field. I have been running
that version for 13 years or so. I ran native DOS 6.3 machines in my
vehicles and in the W/98 DOS box in the tiki bar. (just for the
improved networking)
The DOS machines were great in a car because they went from "key on"
to music in about 10-12 seconds
The Blaupunkt in my car now takes that long and still does not have
keypad support.




Mr. Luddite February 4th 14 10:51 AM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
On 2/4/2014 2:01 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 21:45:01 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

So you are saying that if I cobbled up a machine from parts that would
run the Apple OS they would give it to me?

Yeah, you seem like a hackintosh kinda guy.


You didn't answer the question. Does that free OS have to be tied to a
serial number?



I don't think so but not sure. When I upgraded from 10.8.5 to 10.9.1
(Mavericks) I don't recall the website asking for a serial number.
It's possible that the download automatically seeks and finds it on the
computer, but I don't know.

I was a little nervous doing the upgrade because I was still not all
that familiar with the iMac but it upgraded without a hitch.

F.O.A.D. February 4th 14 12:45 PM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
On 2/4/14, 2:01 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 21:45:01 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

So you are saying that if I cobbled up a machine from parts that would
run the Apple OS they would give it to me?

Yeah, you seem like a hackintosh kinda guy.


You didn't answer the question. Does that free OS have to be tied to a
serial number?

Not that I am aware of. I've never had to type in a serial number when
installing an Apple OS, and I've downloaded and installed the same
downloaded OS on more than one computer. Further as I suggested the
hackintosh community is running the latest OS on their non-Apple "mac"
devices.



--
There’s no point crying over spilled 4-Methylcyclohexanemethanol.

F.O.A.D. February 4th 14 12:47 PM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
On 2/4/14, 5:51 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/4/2014 2:01 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 21:45:01 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

So you are saying that if I cobbled up a machine from parts that would
run the Apple OS they would give it to me?

Yeah, you seem like a hackintosh kinda guy.


You didn't answer the question. Does that free OS have to be tied to a
serial number?



I don't think so but not sure. When I upgraded from 10.8.5 to 10.9.1
(Mavericks) I don't recall the website asking for a serial number. It's
possible that the download automatically seeks and finds it on the
computer, but I don't know.

I was a little nervous doing the upgrade because I was still not all
that familiar with the iMac but it upgraded without a hitch.



I have a copy on a thumbdrive somewhere in my desk of Mavericks.

--
There’s no point crying over spilled 4-Methylcyclohexanemethanol.

Poco Loco February 4th 14 01:36 PM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 18:51:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/3/2014 5:54 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/3/2014 11:13 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/3/14, 10:04 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
Maybe I'll stick with XP even after the support stops.

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...are-in-january


Or you could buy an upgraded motherboard with a fast 80286 CPU.



Windows XP is still used in many non-personal computer applications like
gas station pumps, ATM machines and other "transparent" applications. XP
may be retaining a market share because the cost of upgrading both
software and hardware to support Win 7 or 8 is expensive for these applications.

As a user of XP, Windows 7 and 8 (and now an iMac) I think XP was (is) a
very good and stable OS but Windows 7 has it beat hands down.
Even this Vista machine runs faster and has more capabilities than XP, as good as it is.


I think the vista machine would probably run XP a lot faster than your old
machine.


Maybe, but why? This Vista machine outperforms the Compaq I had with XP
with basically the same CPU speed and RAM.

Other than slow boots from a power off condition, I have no complaints
about Vista. I rarely shut it down completely. I just put it in "sleep"
mode.

It has been stable and this HP Pavilion has had no hick-ups in 5 years,
used daily. Many people expressed frustration and problems with Vista
but I haven't had any issues or complaints. The Win 7 and 8 has some
updated applications that are better than what is in this Vista machine,
but I really haven't had any need to upgrade it.

I'll just use it until it croaks.


My wife, on her Vista machine, lost all her icons on the desktop. Any idea what caused that? I don't
like the idea of playing with her Vista machine.


Poco Loco February 4th 14 01:45 PM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 19:44:53 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/3/2014 7:20 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
F.O.A.D. wrote:

snipped
My next purchase will be a decent printer. I've had no need for one for
years. Anything I needed to print I would just send to my wife and she'd
print it on her laser printer. However, I have been recently retained
to do some consulting work related to the business I was in and will
need to get a printer. Her laser printer is not wireless, (I don't
think) so I can't use it on the home network. I should check that though.

I noticed most people now are using Adobe PDF files for most things.
All the communications and documents I've received so far from the
company I am working with use it. I noticed you can now subscribe to
it's use for something like $19/mo. Might do that rather than buy the
software.

Got this for Christmas:

http://tinyurl.com/kffxlzj

Here's what Consumer Reports had to say about it:

CR's Take
For an all-in-one black-and-while laser printer, this Samsung is not only cheap to buy, but it's
also inexpensive to operate and print. It's a bit short on features, but it has outstanding overall
performance.
Highs
• Excellent text quality
• Very fast printing black text
• Very good monochrome graphics quality
• Excellent copy quality
• Auto feeder can scan or copy a stack of pages
Lows
• Less versatile than most
Detailed test results
PRINTING. The Samsung SCX-3405FW prints using laser technology, which picks up powdered 'toner' on a
roller and fuses it to the paper with heat. It prints black-and-white text with excellent quality,
as we've come to expect from a laser printer. Text printing was very quick, 12 pages per minute,
costing 4.4 cents per page. Its black-and-white graphics printing is very good for reports,
newsletters and web pages.
SCANNING and COPYING. Scanning performance was very good, fine for general-purpose scanning. Copying
performance was excellent, producing copies very close to the original. There's an automatic
document feeder to let you copy or scan a stack of pages in one operation.
CONTROLS and DISPLAY. The printer has no display screen.
CONNECTIVITY and NETWORKING. You can connect directly to a PC with a USB cable, or to your network
router either wirelessly with Wi-Fi or with an Ethernet cable. This model has built-in faxing, can
store incoming faxes if the paper runs out, and can send faxes from an attached PC. You can print
directly from smart phones and tablets (Android apps or Apple AirPrint) over your Wi-Fi network.


Poco Loco February 4th 14 01:46 PM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
On Mon, 3 Feb 2014 15:19:35 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

On Monday, February 3, 2014 3:14:06 PM UTC-6, HanK wrote:
On 2/3/2014 2:49 PM, wrote:

On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 11:49:45 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:




On 2/3/14, 11:46 AM,
wrote:

On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 10:04:24 -0500, Poco Loco


wrote:




Maybe I'll stick with XP even after the support stops.




http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...are-in-january



Microsoft has not given their business users any compelling reason to


switch.


If your mission is not significantly changing, why should you change


your hardware and software?


99% of all real business applications ran just fine on Windows 3.1 on


a 396. If you are just doing bookkeeping, inventory and point of sale,


you don't need that much computing power.


All of these flashy graphics do not actually add much to the average


business man's operation.


Hardware is pretty stagnant these days so I am not really sure why


they need a different OS.








Apple offers incremental improvements to its OS, not do-overs, and its


price is right. Mavericks, the latest, costs $0.00. I was going to put


Win 7 on my Macbook Air, but for $100+, I simply decided not to waste


the money.




The OS is not free, it is just bundled into the overpriced hardware.


IBM did the same thing with the System 360, all the software was free


including on site support ... until LBJ sued them over it.




Apple gets away with it because they are still a small player.




Most people do not get the retail version of windows anyway. They get


it bundled with the software and it is about $35-40 that way based on


what you can get a bare (or linux) system for.




I don't even pay that. When you get an off lease machine the extra


cost is negligible and you could reinstall that OS on a brand new


machine if you wanted to. You just need the sticker ... or just the


numbers.


I am not even sure Microsoft is checking for duplicate XP


installations these days. I do have a good W-7 number if I wanted to


play with it but I have XP on that machine now.


I have still not seen a compelling need to go to 7 or 8.




I am not impressed with the idea that just being newer is always


better.




I just fired up a win 8.1 machine. So far everything is loading in

flawlessly, even the 1999 Mapsource from Garmin. I'm in the process of

loading the 2014 map data now. So far so good.


Can you do that on a Win7?


Sandy and I update our Garmins about every six months using Windows.


Mr. Luddite February 4th 14 02:11 PM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
On 2/4/2014 8:36 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 18:51:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/3/2014 5:54 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/3/2014 11:13 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/3/14, 10:04 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
Maybe I'll stick with XP even after the support stops.

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...are-in-january


Or you could buy an upgraded motherboard with a fast 80286 CPU.



Windows XP is still used in many non-personal computer applications like
gas station pumps, ATM machines and other "transparent" applications. XP
may be retaining a market share because the cost of upgrading both
software and hardware to support Win 7 or 8 is expensive for these applications.

As a user of XP, Windows 7 and 8 (and now an iMac) I think XP was (is) a
very good and stable OS but Windows 7 has it beat hands down.
Even this Vista machine runs faster and has more capabilities than XP, as good as it is.

I think the vista machine would probably run XP a lot faster than your old
machine.


Maybe, but why? This Vista machine outperforms the Compaq I had with XP
with basically the same CPU speed and RAM.

Other than slow boots from a power off condition, I have no complaints
about Vista. I rarely shut it down completely. I just put it in "sleep"
mode.

It has been stable and this HP Pavilion has had no hick-ups in 5 years,
used daily. Many people expressed frustration and problems with Vista
but I haven't had any issues or complaints. The Win 7 and 8 has some
updated applications that are better than what is in this Vista machine,
but I really haven't had any need to upgrade it.

I'll just use it until it croaks.


My wife, on her Vista machine, lost all her icons on the desktop. Any idea what caused that? I don't
like the idea of playing with her Vista machine.


Pretty easy to fix. Right click on any section of the desktop. Select
"View". You will see an item called "Show Desktop Icons". Make sure the
box is checked. If you don't want the icons to show on the desktop,
uncheck the box. Your wife or someone probably inadvertently
"unchecked" the box.



F.O.A.D. February 4th 14 02:16 PM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
On 2/4/14, 8:45 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 19:44:53 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/3/2014 7:20 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
F.O.A.D. wrote:

snipped
My next purchase will be a decent printer. I've had no need for one for
years. Anything I needed to print I would just send to my wife and she'd
print it on her laser printer. However, I have been recently retained
to do some consulting work related to the business I was in and will
need to get a printer. Her laser printer is not wireless, (I don't
think) so I can't use it on the home network. I should check that though.

I noticed most people now are using Adobe PDF files for most things.
All the communications and documents I've received so far from the
company I am working with use it. I noticed you can now subscribe to
it's use for something like $19/mo. Might do that rather than buy the
software.

Got this for Christmas:

http://tinyurl.com/kffxlzj

Here's what Consumer Reports had to say about it:

CR's Take
For an all-in-one black-and-while laser printer, this Samsung is not only cheap to buy, but it's
also inexpensive to operate and print. It's a bit short on features, but it has outstanding overall
performance.
Highs
• Excellent text quality
• Very fast printing black text
• Very good monochrome graphics quality
• Excellent copy quality
• Auto feeder can scan or copy a stack of pages
Lows
• Less versatile than most
Detailed test results
PRINTING. The Samsung SCX-3405FW prints using laser technology, which picks up powdered 'toner' on a
roller and fuses it to the paper with heat. It prints black-and-white text with excellent quality,
as we've come to expect from a laser printer. Text printing was very quick, 12 pages per minute,
costing 4.4 cents per page. Its black-and-white graphics printing is very good for reports,
newsletters and web pages.
SCANNING and COPYING. Scanning performance was very good, fine for general-purpose scanning. Copying
performance was excellent, producing copies very close to the original. There's an automatic
document feeder to let you copy or scan a stack of pages in one operation.
CONTROLS and DISPLAY. The printer has no display screen.
CONNECTIVITY and NETWORKING. You can connect directly to a PC with a USB cable, or to your network
router either wirelessly with Wi-Fi or with an Ethernet cable. This model has built-in faxing, can
store incoming faxes if the paper runs out, and can send faxes from an attached PC. You can print
directly from smart phones and tablets (Android apps or Apple AirPrint) over your Wi-Fi network.


That's an amazing price for a laser printer that also scans and faxes.

What do you pay for branded toner carts and how many prints do you get
from each?

--
There’s no point crying over spilled 4-Methylcyclohexanemethanol.

F.O.A.D. February 4th 14 04:45 PM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
wrote:
On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 03:31:37 -0500, KC wrote:

I have 1800 songs or so and not one I don't like so I don't go
searching.. Just like listening to a radio station with no commercials,
and no **** music:0


I have been doing that for 15 years. I never use the radio in my car
and we have MP3s available anywhere in the house.
I still have a lot of songs I don't want to hear all the time.
My "all music" directory is 26.8 gig with 5,625 files and 1408 files
in the "humor" directory but there are some duplicates in there.
I keep around 1000 in a typical play list
I do have a lot of really obscure stuff that I can pull out if it
comes up like Bessie Smith and Billie Holiday records or the Vaughn
Meader "First Family" album. At Christmas I can spool up 16 hours of
holiday music without repeating a cut although some is not really
family friendly.

I am in the process of trying to make a central player that can be
controlled from multiple locations.I already have anywhere with a TV
covered, using the installed cable for the TV.
(Put the TV on channel 69 and you have whatever is playing on the
media PC in the living room). Attach that to a decent amp/speaker
setup and you have something. The trick is controlling it.


Our music is on our server. Accessible on I-devices and computers and TV
sets and away from home via internet. We use iTunes.

F.O.A.D. February 4th 14 05:03 PM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
wrote:
On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 07:45:13 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/4/14, 2:01 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 21:45:01 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

So you are saying that if I cobbled up a machine from parts that would
run the Apple OS they would give it to me?

Yeah, you seem like a hackintosh kinda guy.

You didn't answer the question. Does that free OS have to be tied to a
serial number?

Not that I am aware of. I've never had to type in a serial number when
installing an Apple OS, and I've downloaded and installed the same
downloaded OS on more than one computer. Further as I suggested the
hackintosh community is running the latest OS on their non-Apple "mac"
devices.


I bet it senses the CPU ID when you connect and I am sure it looks
when you install it. Even Windows XP and beyond does that.
They used to match your PC profile to the database in Redmond and
rejected activating the install if you had any significant hardware
change. That seemed to go away on XP tho. You still get the nag screen
but if you reenter the 25 digit code it takes it.


If it did that it would not work on hackintoshes

F.O.A.D. February 4th 14 05:32 PM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
wrote:
On 4 Feb 2014 16:45:15 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 03:31:37 -0500, KC wrote:

I have 1800 songs or so and not one I don't like so I don't go
searching.. Just like listening to a radio station with no commercials,
and no **** music:0

I have been doing that for 15 years. I never use the radio in my car
and we have MP3s available anywhere in the house.
I still have a lot of songs I don't want to hear all the time.
My "all music" directory is 26.8 gig with 5,625 files and 1408 files
in the "humor" directory but there are some duplicates in there.
I keep around 1000 in a typical play list
I do have a lot of really obscure stuff that I can pull out if it
comes up like Bessie Smith and Billie Holiday records or the Vaughn
Meader "First Family" album. At Christmas I can spool up 16 hours of
holiday music without repeating a cut although some is not really
family friendly.

I am in the process of trying to make a central player that can be
controlled from multiple locations.I already have anywhere with a TV
covered, using the installed cable for the TV.
(Put the TV on channel 69 and you have whatever is playing on the
media PC in the living room). Attach that to a decent amp/speaker
setup and you have something. The trick is controlling it.


Our music is on our server. Accessible on I-devices and computers and TV
sets and away from home via internet. We use iTunes.


I have no problem tagging the songs on the network from a local
player. I was just trying to get a central player that is controlled
from multiple places.
Right now I am playing with an old garage door opener receiver that
hits the "next" button. It lets you spin the wheel from anywhere on
the property. I am scouring the world for old Genie 9 DIP remotes
;-)


Mr. Hobby. :)

Poco Loco February 4th 14 05:38 PM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 09:16:42 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/4/14, 8:45 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 19:44:53 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/3/2014 7:20 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
F.O.A.D. wrote:
snipped
My next purchase will be a decent printer. I've had no need for one for
years. Anything I needed to print I would just send to my wife and she'd
print it on her laser printer. However, I have been recently retained
to do some consulting work related to the business I was in and will
need to get a printer. Her laser printer is not wireless, (I don't
think) so I can't use it on the home network. I should check that though.

I noticed most people now are using Adobe PDF files for most things.
All the communications and documents I've received so far from the
company I am working with use it. I noticed you can now subscribe to
it's use for something like $19/mo. Might do that rather than buy the
software.

Got this for Christmas:

http://tinyurl.com/kffxlzj

Here's what Consumer Reports had to say about it:

CR's Take
For an all-in-one black-and-while laser printer, this Samsung is not only cheap to buy, but it's
also inexpensive to operate and print. It's a bit short on features, but it has outstanding overall
performance.
Highs
• Excellent text quality
• Very fast printing black text
• Very good monochrome graphics quality
• Excellent copy quality
• Auto feeder can scan or copy a stack of pages
Lows
• Less versatile than most
Detailed test results
PRINTING. The Samsung SCX-3405FW prints using laser technology, which picks up powdered 'toner' on a
roller and fuses it to the paper with heat. It prints black-and-white text with excellent quality,
as we've come to expect from a laser printer. Text printing was very quick, 12 pages per minute,
costing 4.4 cents per page. Its black-and-white graphics printing is very good for reports,
newsletters and web pages.
SCANNING and COPYING. Scanning performance was very good, fine for general-purpose scanning. Copying
performance was excellent, producing copies very close to the original. There's an automatic
document feeder to let you copy or scan a stack of pages in one operation.
CONTROLS and DISPLAY. The printer has no display screen.
CONNECTIVITY and NETWORKING. You can connect directly to a PC with a USB cable, or to your network
router either wirelessly with Wi-Fi or with an Ethernet cable. This model has built-in faxing, can
store incoming faxes if the paper runs out, and can send faxes from an attached PC. You can print
directly from smart phones and tablets (Android apps or Apple AirPrint) over your Wi-Fi network.


That's an amazing price for a laser printer that also scans and faxes.

What do you pay for branded toner carts and how many prints do you get
from each?


http://tinyurl.com/kkmz8yj


Poco Loco February 4th 14 05:44 PM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 09:11:09 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/4/2014 8:36 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 18:51:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/3/2014 5:54 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/3/2014 11:13 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/3/14, 10:04 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
Maybe I'll stick with XP even after the support stops.

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...are-in-january


Or you could buy an upgraded motherboard with a fast 80286 CPU.



Windows XP is still used in many non-personal computer applications like
gas station pumps, ATM machines and other "transparent" applications. XP
may be retaining a market share because the cost of upgrading both
software and hardware to support Win 7 or 8 is expensive for these applications.

As a user of XP, Windows 7 and 8 (and now an iMac) I think XP was (is) a
very good and stable OS but Windows 7 has it beat hands down.
Even this Vista machine runs faster and has more capabilities than XP, as good as it is.

I think the vista machine would probably run XP a lot faster than your old
machine.


Maybe, but why? This Vista machine outperforms the Compaq I had with XP
with basically the same CPU speed and RAM.

Other than slow boots from a power off condition, I have no complaints
about Vista. I rarely shut it down completely. I just put it in "sleep"
mode.

It has been stable and this HP Pavilion has had no hick-ups in 5 years,
used daily. Many people expressed frustration and problems with Vista
but I haven't had any issues or complaints. The Win 7 and 8 has some
updated applications that are better than what is in this Vista machine,
but I really haven't had any need to upgrade it.

I'll just use it until it croaks.


My wife, on her Vista machine, lost all her icons on the desktop. Any idea what caused that? I don't
like the idea of playing with her Vista machine.


Pretty easy to fix. Right click on any section of the desktop. Select
"View". You will see an item called "Show Desktop Icons". Make sure the
box is checked. If you don't want the icons to show on the desktop,
uncheck the box. Your wife or someone probably inadvertently
"unchecked" the box.


Thanks! It worked!

I also looked on the Microsoft site, came up with this:

http://tinyurl.com/3cpx9k9

She's going to check on this 'InfraRecorder' application.


Mr. Luddite February 4th 14 06:00 PM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
On 2/4/2014 11:45 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 08:36:40 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:



My wife, on her Vista machine, lost all her icons on the desktop. Any idea what caused that? I don't
like the idea of playing with her Vista machine.


That is the insidious "desktop cleanup" wizard.
Right click a blank spot on the desk top, click properties, then
desktop, then customize desktop and uncheck the cleanup wizard box.

I think your icons are gone tho.

I am not sure why Bill Gates decided we needed a clean desk top.
I had the same problem with IBM management. ;-)



I doubt it. I'll betcha someone simply unchecked the "Show Desktop
Icons" in the preferences for the Desktop. Right click on the desktop,
select "View" then make sure the "Show Desktop Icons" box is checked.



Mr. Luddite February 4th 14 06:04 PM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
On 2/4/2014 12:38 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 09:16:42 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/4/14, 8:45 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 19:44:53 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/3/2014 7:20 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
F.O.A.D. wrote:
snipped
My next purchase will be a decent printer. I've had no need for one for
years. Anything I needed to print I would just send to my wife and she'd
print it on her laser printer. However, I have been recently retained
to do some consulting work related to the business I was in and will
need to get a printer. Her laser printer is not wireless, (I don't
think) so I can't use it on the home network. I should check that though.

I noticed most people now are using Adobe PDF files for most things.
All the communications and documents I've received so far from the
company I am working with use it. I noticed you can now subscribe to
it's use for something like $19/mo. Might do that rather than buy the
software.

Got this for Christmas:

http://tinyurl.com/kffxlzj

Here's what Consumer Reports had to say about it:

CR's Take
For an all-in-one black-and-while laser printer, this Samsung is not only cheap to buy, but it's
also inexpensive to operate and print. It's a bit short on features, but it has outstanding overall
performance.
Highs
• Excellent text quality
• Very fast printing black text
• Very good monochrome graphics quality
• Excellent copy quality
• Auto feeder can scan or copy a stack of pages
Lows
• Less versatile than most
Detailed test results
PRINTING. The Samsung SCX-3405FW prints using laser technology, which picks up powdered 'toner' on a
roller and fuses it to the paper with heat. It prints black-and-white text with excellent quality,
as we've come to expect from a laser printer. Text printing was very quick, 12 pages per minute,
costing 4.4 cents per page. Its black-and-white graphics printing is very good for reports,
newsletters and web pages.
SCANNING and COPYING. Scanning performance was very good, fine for general-purpose scanning. Copying
performance was excellent, producing copies very close to the original. There's an automatic
document feeder to let you copy or scan a stack of pages in one operation.
CONTROLS and DISPLAY. The printer has no display screen.
CONNECTIVITY and NETWORKING. You can connect directly to a PC with a USB cable, or to your network
router either wirelessly with Wi-Fi or with an Ethernet cable. This model has built-in faxing, can
store incoming faxes if the paper runs out, and can send faxes from an attached PC. You can print
directly from smart phones and tablets (Android apps or Apple AirPrint) over your Wi-Fi network.


That's an amazing price for a laser printer that also scans and faxes.

What do you pay for branded toner carts and how many prints do you get
from each?


http://tinyurl.com/kkmz8yj



The Samsung *is* a good deal but unfortunately I'll need a color laser
printer. They are not all that expensive either but probably lack the
copy and fax features. Who uses fax anymore?

I'll be making presentation material for handouts and will color to
fancy them up a bit.



Poco Loco February 4th 14 06:15 PM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 11:45:45 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 08:36:40 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:



My wife, on her Vista machine, lost all her icons on the desktop. Any idea what caused that? I don't
like the idea of playing with her Vista machine.


That is the insidious "desktop cleanup" wizard.
Right click a blank spot on the desk top, click properties, then
desktop, then customize desktop and uncheck the cleanup wizard box.

I think your icons are gone tho.

I am not sure why Bill Gates decided we needed a clean desk top.
I had the same problem with IBM management. ;-)


No, Dick got it right. They're all back.


Poco Loco February 4th 14 06:17 PM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 13:00:31 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/4/2014 11:45 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 08:36:40 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:



My wife, on her Vista machine, lost all her icons on the desktop. Any idea what caused that? I don't
like the idea of playing with her Vista machine.


That is the insidious "desktop cleanup" wizard.
Right click a blank spot on the desk top, click properties, then
desktop, then customize desktop and uncheck the cleanup wizard box.

I think your icons are gone tho.

I am not sure why Bill Gates decided we needed a clean desk top.
I had the same problem with IBM management. ;-)



I doubt it. I'll betcha someone simply unchecked the "Show Desktop
Icons" in the preferences for the Desktop. Right click on the desktop,
select "View" then make sure the "Show Desktop Icons" box is checked.


Well, she swears she did nothing of the sort. In fact, she has always sworn she's done nothing to
cause any of the friggin' problems she has with her computer.

I think the problem is 'clickitis'. Too much mouse clicking going on without the corresponding
reading.


Poco Loco February 4th 14 06:20 PM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 13:04:07 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/4/2014 12:38 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 09:16:42 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/4/14, 8:45 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 19:44:53 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/3/2014 7:20 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
F.O.A.D. wrote:
snipped
My next purchase will be a decent printer. I've had no need for one for
years. Anything I needed to print I would just send to my wife and she'd
print it on her laser printer. However, I have been recently retained
to do some consulting work related to the business I was in and will
need to get a printer. Her laser printer is not wireless, (I don't
think) so I can't use it on the home network. I should check that though.

I noticed most people now are using Adobe PDF files for most things.
All the communications and documents I've received so far from the
company I am working with use it. I noticed you can now subscribe to
it's use for something like $19/mo. Might do that rather than buy the
software.

Got this for Christmas:

http://tinyurl.com/kffxlzj

Here's what Consumer Reports had to say about it:

CR's Take
For an all-in-one black-and-while laser printer, this Samsung is not only cheap to buy, but it's
also inexpensive to operate and print. It's a bit short on features, but it has outstanding overall
performance.
Highs
• Excellent text quality
• Very fast printing black text
• Very good monochrome graphics quality
• Excellent copy quality
• Auto feeder can scan or copy a stack of pages
Lows
• Less versatile than most
Detailed test results
PRINTING. The Samsung SCX-3405FW prints using laser technology, which picks up powdered 'toner' on a
roller and fuses it to the paper with heat. It prints black-and-white text with excellent quality,
as we've come to expect from a laser printer. Text printing was very quick, 12 pages per minute,
costing 4.4 cents per page. Its black-and-white graphics printing is very good for reports,
newsletters and web pages.
SCANNING and COPYING. Scanning performance was very good, fine for general-purpose scanning. Copying
performance was excellent, producing copies very close to the original. There's an automatic
document feeder to let you copy or scan a stack of pages in one operation.
CONTROLS and DISPLAY. The printer has no display screen.
CONNECTIVITY and NETWORKING. You can connect directly to a PC with a USB cable, or to your network
router either wirelessly with Wi-Fi or with an Ethernet cable. This model has built-in faxing, can
store incoming faxes if the paper runs out, and can send faxes from an attached PC. You can print
directly from smart phones and tablets (Android apps or Apple AirPrint) over your Wi-Fi network.


That's an amazing price for a laser printer that also scans and faxes.

What do you pay for branded toner carts and how many prints do you get
from each?


http://tinyurl.com/kkmz8yj



The Samsung *is* a good deal but unfortunately I'll need a color laser
printer. They are not all that expensive either but probably lack the
copy and fax features. Who uses fax anymore?

I'll be making presentation material for handouts and will color to
fancy them up a bit.


I've had companies want a fax of my military ID card. They wouldn't take a jpg. So I had to trudge
down to UPS to get the fax sent. Only $1, but a pain in the butt. An excuse for a motorcycle ride
though.


Califbill February 4th 14 07:49 PM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/3/2014 5:20 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 15:02:20 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 13:48:52 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/3/2014 11:13 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/3/14, 10:04 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
Maybe I'll stick with XP even after the support stops.

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...are-in-january


Or you could buy an upgraded motherboard with a fast 80286 CPU.



Windows XP is still used in many non-personal computer applications like
gas station pumps, ATM machines and other "transparent" applications.
XP may be retaining a market share because the cost of upgrading both
software and hardware to support Win 7 or 8 is expensive for these
applications.

As a user of XP, Windows 7 and 8 (and now an iMac) I think XP was (is)
a very good and stable OS but Windows 7 has it beat hands down.
Even this Vista machine runs faster and has more capabilities than XP,
as good as it is.


Who cares if it is faster, as long as the XP machine is going as fast
as it needs to go?
Most of the delay is in "calling home" on those applications, not
handling the local transaction.
Games and video processing are the main power hogs on a PC. If you are
just "computing" your old 4.77 mz PC/XT went as fast as you needed to
go. (Visicalc spread sheets etc)
We ran a quarter million dollar business on one.


I can't type faster than my machine can display. I figure that's good enough.



If you browse and shop on the Internet XP's age will begin to show.
Actually it has already. Graphic displays on websites are getting more
and more complex and Win 7 and 8 simply handle them better. I could see
that on the Compaq I had running XP before it died. I had this Vista
and the Win 7 also when it worked. All three were basically the same in
terms of CPU speed and RAM and all three were/are "Multimedia" models,
supposedly optimized for multimedia, something a computer guru suggested
to me when I was buying the XP machine years ago. He said that a
computer optimized for multimedia (what the optimization is ... I don't
know) would generally run faster and better for all applications and
uses. I can't verify that except my laptops run a heck of a lot faster
than my wife's Dell desktop. Then again, I am not sure how her Dell is
populated in terms of CPU and RAM.

If all you use your computer for is email and newsgroups, Win 3.1 would
probably still work. :-)


I think part of the problem with Win 7 was if you picked to run 64 bit and
not 32 bit. Prevented a lot of legacy programs from running. Was a major
shortfall for MS. If you ran Win 7 Professional, you could get an XP
emulator, but not the Home version.

Califbill February 4th 14 07:49 PM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/3/2014 7:20 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
F.O.A.D. wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:

Apple offers incremental improvements to its OS, not do-overs, and its
price is right. Mavericks, the latest, costs $0.00. I was going to put
Win 7 on my Macbook Air, but for $100+, I simply decided not to waste the money.


True, Mavericks was a free upgrade but not without some disappointments.
It will not run some popular programs that previous versions of the Apple OSX ran.

An example is Pro-Tools 9. I had a brand new, unopened box with
Pro-Tools that I was looking forward to installing in the iMac once I
became familiar with it. Pro-Tools is a professional grade audio
recording software package.

Pro-Tools isn't cheap. The current version is $699. I decided to install
my copy only to find out that Mavericks (which I upgraded to a month ago)
won't run it. My options are to revert back to the older, 10.8.5 OSX
(whatever they called it) or go out and purchase the newer version.

I'll stick with the full Garage Band for now.

That all said though, I like the iMac. Nice display and is faster for
some of the things I like to do with audio and video. For many purposes
though I still think it's an overgrown, high priced iPhone. :-)

There isn't one windoze app I used to use that I haven't found a better
replacement for on my macs. Even the Mac version of ms office suite runs
better. The photo apps are better. The big database manager I use is
better. I am sure there are better windoze apps out there but I don't use
them.


P.s. My new Mac is "preparing for shipment" but from where I don't know.
Could be china, the USA, or Ireland .


When Mrs.E. bought the iMac for me she also bought the MS Office Suite.
I haven't installed it yet. She also bought one for herself and installed it on her iMac.

My next purchase will be a decent printer. I've had no need for one for
years. Anything I needed to print I would just send to my wife and she'd
print it on her laser printer. However, I have been recently retained to
do some consulting work related to the business I was in and will need to
get a printer. Her laser printer is not wireless, (I don't think) so I
can't use it on the home network. I should check that though.

I noticed most people now are using Adobe PDF files for most things. All
the communications and documents I've received so far from the company I
am working with use it. I noticed you can now subscribe to it's use for
something like $19/mo. Might do that rather than buy the software.


You can share the printer through her iMac.

Califbill February 4th 14 07:49 PM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/3/2014 5:49 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article , says...


Apple is giving away its OS to users with five and six year old
computers. It's hardly bundled for those users. Oh, and I recently
perused the web pages of two large Windoze computer suppliers for a
laptop similar to mine and a desktop similar to what I ordered. There
was less than $100 price difference either way, and what I saw from Dell
and HP were rather clunky desktops or all in ones and laptops that are
two generations behind in design. And of course, they run Windoze.


Unless you get specific, this means nothing.
If you want the Apple logo, you have to pay up for it.
Simple as that.



Not necessarily. Here's the Windows Vista laptop I am using right now .... :-)

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy303/Eisboch/DSC_8888.jpg?t=1391469190


LOL,

F.O.A.D. February 4th 14 07:52 PM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
On 2/4/14, 1:04 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Who uses fax anymore?


My banking/investment client in Baltimore. That's it, for me, at least.
He sends corrections and changes for what I write for him on documents
he faxes in. Grrrrrrr.


--
There’s no point crying over spilled 4-Methylcyclohexanemethanol.

Hank February 4th 14 08:32 PM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
On 2/4/2014 1:00 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/4/2014 11:45 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 08:36:40 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:



My wife, on her Vista machine, lost all her icons on the desktop. Any
idea what caused that? I don't
like the idea of playing with her Vista machine.


That is the insidious "desktop cleanup" wizard.
Right click a blank spot on the desk top, click properties, then
desktop, then customize desktop and uncheck the cleanup wizard box.

I think your icons are gone tho.

I am not sure why Bill Gates decided we needed a clean desk top.
I had the same problem with IBM management. ;-)



I doubt it. I'll betcha someone simply unchecked the "Show Desktop
Icons" in the preferences for the Desktop. Right click on the desktop,
select "View" then make sure the "Show Desktop Icons" box is checked.


I think that wizard has to be invoked. Also it doesn't clear the
desktop. You are correct,,, again.

Califbill February 4th 14 08:35 PM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/4/2014 12:38 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 09:16:42 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/4/14, 8:45 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 19:44:53 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/3/2014 7:20 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
F.O.A.D. wrote:
snipped
My next purchase will be a decent printer. I've had no need for one for
years. Anything I needed to print I would just send to my wife and she'd
print it on her laser printer. However, I have been recently retained
to do some consulting work related to the business I was in and will
need to get a printer. Her laser printer is not wireless, (I don't
think) so I can't use it on the home network. I should check that though.

I noticed most people now are using Adobe PDF files for most things.
All the communications and documents I've received so far from the
company I am working with use it. I noticed you can now subscribe to
it's use for something like $19/mo. Might do that rather than buy the
software.

Got this for Christmas:

http://tinyurl.com/kffxlzj

Here's what Consumer Reports had to say about it:

CR's Take
For an all-in-one black-and-while laser printer, this Samsung is not
only cheap to buy, but it's
also inexpensive to operate and print. It's a bit short on features,
but it has outstanding overall
performance.
Highs
β€’ Excellent text quality
β€’ Very fast printing black text
β€’ Very good monochrome graphics quality
β€’ Excellent copy quality
β€’ Auto feeder can scan or copy a stack of pages
Lows
β€’ Less versatile than most
Detailed test results
PRINTING. The Samsung SCX-3405FW prints using laser technology, which
picks up powdered 'toner' on a
roller and fuses it to the paper with heat. It prints black-and-white
text with excellent quality,
as we've come to expect from a laser printer. Text printing was very
quick, 12 pages per minute,
costing 4.4 cents per page. Its black-and-white graphics printing is
very good for reports,
newsletters and web pages.
SCANNING and COPYING. Scanning performance was very good, fine for
general-purpose scanning. Copying
performance was excellent, producing copies very close to the
original. There's an automatic
document feeder to let you copy or scan a stack of pages in one operation.
CONTROLS and DISPLAY. The printer has no display screen.
CONNECTIVITY and NETWORKING. You can connect directly to a PC with a
USB cable, or to your network
router either wirelessly with Wi-Fi or with an Ethernet cable. This
model has built-in faxing, can
store incoming faxes if the paper runs out, and can send faxes from an
attached PC. You can print
directly from smart phones and tablets (Android apps or Apple
AirPrint) over your Wi-Fi network.


That's an amazing price for a laser printer that also scans and faxes.

What do you pay for branded toner carts and how many prints do you get
from each?


http://tinyurl.com/kkmz8yj



The Samsung *is* a good deal but unfortunately I'll need a color laser
printer. They are not all that expensive either but probably lack the
copy and fax features. Who uses fax anymore?

I'll be making presentation material for handouts and will color to fancy them up a bit.


I was surprised at the low costs. Samsung does have all in one laser
printers, but did dot say anything about Apple wireless compatible.

KC February 5th 14 04:10 AM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
On 2/4/2014 1:04 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/4/2014 12:38 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 09:16:42 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/4/14, 8:45 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 19:44:53 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/3/2014 7:20 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
F.O.A.D. wrote:
snipped
My next purchase will be a decent printer. I've had no need for
one for
years. Anything I needed to print I would just send to my wife and
she'd
print it on her laser printer. However, I have been recently retained
to do some consulting work related to the business I was in and will
need to get a printer. Her laser printer is not wireless, (I don't
think) so I can't use it on the home network. I should check that
though.

I noticed most people now are using Adobe PDF files for most things.
All the communications and documents I've received so far from the
company I am working with use it. I noticed you can now subscribe to
it's use for something like $19/mo. Might do that rather than buy the
software.

Got this for Christmas:

http://tinyurl.com/kffxlzj

Here's what Consumer Reports had to say about it:

CR's Take
For an all-in-one black-and-while laser printer, this Samsung is not
only cheap to buy, but it's
also inexpensive to operate and print. It's a bit short on features,
but it has outstanding overall
performance.
Highs
• Excellent text quality
• Very fast printing black text
• Very good monochrome graphics quality
• Excellent copy quality
• Auto feeder can scan or copy a stack of pages
Lows
• Less versatile than most
Detailed test results
PRINTING. The Samsung SCX-3405FW prints using laser technology,
which picks up powdered 'toner' on a
roller and fuses it to the paper with heat. It prints
black-and-white text with excellent quality,
as we've come to expect from a laser printer. Text printing was very
quick, 12 pages per minute,
costing 4.4 cents per page. Its black-and-white graphics printing is
very good for reports,
newsletters and web pages.
SCANNING and COPYING. Scanning performance was very good, fine for
general-purpose scanning. Copying
performance was excellent, producing copies very close to the
original. There's an automatic
document feeder to let you copy or scan a stack of pages in one
operation.
CONTROLS and DISPLAY. The printer has no display screen.
CONNECTIVITY and NETWORKING. You can connect directly to a PC with a
USB cable, or to your network
router either wirelessly with Wi-Fi or with an Ethernet cable. This
model has built-in faxing, can
store incoming faxes if the paper runs out, and can send faxes from
an attached PC. You can print
directly from smart phones and tablets (Android apps or Apple
AirPrint) over your Wi-Fi network.


That's an amazing price for a laser printer that also scans and faxes.

What do you pay for branded toner carts and how many prints do you get
from each?


http://tinyurl.com/kkmz8yj



The Samsung *is* a good deal but unfortunately I'll need a color laser
printer. They are not all that expensive either but probably lack the
copy and fax features. Who uses fax anymore?


Banks..


I'll be making presentation material for handouts and will color to
fancy them up a bit.




Mr. Luddite February 5th 14 11:06 AM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
On 2/5/2014 1:09 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 13:15:58 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 11:45:45 -0500,
wrote:

On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 08:36:40 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:



My wife, on her Vista machine, lost all her icons on the desktop. Any idea what caused that? I don't
like the idea of playing with her Vista machine.

That is the insidious "desktop cleanup" wizard.
Right click a blank spot on the desk top, click properties, then
desktop, then customize desktop and uncheck the cleanup wizard box.

I think your icons are gone tho.

I am not sure why Bill Gates decided we needed a clean desk top.
I had the same problem with IBM management. ;-)


No, Dick got it right. They're all back.


OK that must be another "Vista" experience that Bill thought you
needed to have.




It's retained in Win 7 although the process is a little different. I
haven't checked Win 8. It's just a simple option to either display all
the icons on your desktop or not.

With:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kvbgi6zq2cxjt3w/with%20icons.jpg

Without:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/tkg0qjl2wf3oebf/without%20icons.jpg

BAR[_2_] February 5th 14 01:51 PM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
In article , says...

On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 10:04:24 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

Maybe I'll stick with XP even after the support stops.

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...are-in-january

Microsoft has not given their business users any compelling reason to
switch.
If your mission is not significantly changing, why should you change
your hardware and software?
99% of all real business applications ran just fine on Windows 3.1 on
a 396. If you are just doing bookkeeping, inventory and point of sale,
you don't need that much computing power.
All of these flashy graphics do not actually add much to the average
business man's operation.
Hardware is pretty stagnant these days so I am not really sure why
they need a different OS.


Most applications are now moving into the Cloud/Web, there is no real need for lots of horse
power on the average business users system. Also, the cost of developing a web/cloud based
application is that it is immediately executabe on any OS that supports the browser.

Fat PC's are dead.

Poco Loco February 5th 14 01:51 PM

Windows XP users 'increasing'?
 
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 06:06:42 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/5/2014 1:09 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 13:15:58 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 11:45:45 -0500,
wrote:

On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 08:36:40 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:



My wife, on her Vista machine, lost all her icons on the desktop. Any idea what caused that? I don't
like the idea of playing with her Vista machine.

That is the insidious "desktop cleanup" wizard.
Right click a blank spot on the desk top, click properties, then
desktop, then customize desktop and uncheck the cleanup wizard box.

I think your icons are gone tho.

I am not sure why Bill Gates decided we needed a clean desk top.
I had the same problem with IBM management. ;-)

No, Dick got it right. They're all back.


OK that must be another "Vista" experience that Bill thought you
needed to have.




It's retained in Win 7 although the process is a little different. I
haven't checked Win 8. It's just a simple option to either display all
the icons on your desktop or not.

With:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kvbgi6zq2cxjt3w/with%20icons.jpg

Without:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/tkg0qjl2wf3oebf/without%20icons.jpg


It would seem unnecessary. Except for a few, most are placed there by the user, and if placed there
during a program installation, they're easily removable. For my wife, it was a 'nightmare' when she
lost all her icons (almost literally). She woke me about 1 AM, telling me she still couldn't fix the
problem. I told her to wait until morning...we'd fix it. The next morning I right clicked everything
I could think of, but somehow missed the 'Blank Spot'!




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