....if your iMac has a fusion drive, this is a pretty good read on how it
actually works.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6679/a...s-fusion-drive

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There’s no point crying over spilled 4-Methylcyclohexanemethanol.

On 1/28/2014 8:19 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
...if your iMac has a fusion drive, this is a pretty good read on how it
actually works.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6679/a...s-fusion-drive



Interesting. I don't have a clue if my iMac has fusion drive or not. I
don't think so, but I seem to recall reading something about it somewhere.

In article ,
says...

On 1/28/2014 8:19 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
...if your iMac has a fusion drive, this is a pretty good read on how it
actually works.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6679/a...s-fusion-drive



Interesting. I don't have a clue if my iMac has fusion drive or not. I
don't think so, but I seem to recall reading something about it somewhere.

It's obsolete tech. SSD's are cheaper now.
And you don't need them anyway.
I have an SSD for my OS. It boots faster.
BFD.
Can't tell the difference anywhere else.
My games are still on spinners, plain and not RAIDed.
No noticeable difference.
If you're moving massive files from SSD to SSD, it'll be faster.
SSD's will kill off spinners as prices fall.

On 1/28/14, 9:27 AM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 1/28/2014 8:19 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
...if your iMac has a fusion drive, this is a pretty good read on how it
actually works.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6679/a...s-fusion-drive



Interesting. I don't have a clue if my iMac has fusion drive or not. I
don't think so, but I seem to recall reading something about it somewhere.

It's obsolete tech. SSD's are cheaper now.
And you don't need them anyway.
I have an SSD for my OS. It boots faster.
BFD.
Can't tell the difference anywhere else.
My games are still on spinners, plain and not RAIDed.
No noticeable difference.
If you're moving massive files from SSD to SSD, it'll be faster.
SSD's will kill off spinners as prices fall.



It's kind of silly to project your personal experiences with a piece of
computer hardware to a universal truth. Perhaps if you are a "gamer," as
you seem to be, playing the games off an SSD makes no difference. I
don't know, since I don't play any computer games.

But I do know the SSD on my Macbook Air helps me load and save certain
types of files a hell of a lot faster than I could on the "spinner" on
the iMac I just sold, and that includes photo files, large manuscripts,
and manipulation of the web pages I put together and update. I can tell
the difference.



--
There’s no point crying over spilled 4-Methylcyclohexanemethanol.

In article , says...

On 1/28/14, 9:27 AM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 1/28/2014 8:19 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
...if your iMac has a fusion drive, this is a pretty good read on how it
actually works.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6679/a...s-fusion-drive



Interesting. I don't have a clue if my iMac has fusion drive or not. I
don't think so, but I seem to recall reading something about it somewhere.

It's obsolete tech. SSD's are cheaper now.
And you don't need them anyway.
I have an SSD for my OS. It boots faster.
BFD.
Can't tell the difference anywhere else.
My games are still on spinners, plain and not RAIDed.
No noticeable difference.
If you're moving massive files from SSD to SSD, it'll be faster.
SSD's will kill off spinners as prices fall.



It's kind of silly to project your personal experiences with a piece of
computer hardware to a universal truth. Perhaps if you are a "gamer," as
you seem to be, playing the games off an SSD makes no difference. I
don't know, since I don't play any computer games.

But I do know the SSD on my Macbook Air helps me load and save certain
types of files a hell of a lot faster than I could on the "spinner" on
the iMac I just sold, and that includes photo files, large manuscripts,
and manipulation of the web pages I put together and update. I can tell
the difference.

"If you're moving massive files from SSD to SSD, it'll be faster."
What's "silly" about being being an average computer user?
If you're moving large manuscripts around, by all means, use SSDs.

On 1/28/2014 9:27 AM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 1/28/2014 8:19 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
...if your iMac has a fusion drive, this is a pretty good read on how it
actually works.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6679/a...s-fusion-drive



Interesting. I don't have a clue if my iMac has fusion drive or not. I
don't think so, but I seem to recall reading something about it somewhere.

It's obsolete tech. SSD's are cheaper now.
And you don't need them anyway.
I have an SSD for my OS. It boots faster.
BFD.
Can't tell the difference anywhere else.
My games are still on spinners, plain and not RAIDed.
No noticeable difference.
If you're moving massive files from SSD to SSD, it'll be faster.
SSD's will kill off spinners as prices fall.



I think the difference is that the SSDs available today have much higher
storage capacity than those of years past. The whole operating system
along with frequently used applications can reside on the SSD.

On 1/28/14, 9:42 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/28/2014 9:27 AM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 1/28/2014 8:19 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
...if your iMac has a fusion drive, this is a pretty good read on
how it
actually works.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6679/a...s-fusion-drive



Interesting. I don't have a clue if my iMac has fusion drive or not. I
don't think so, but I seem to recall reading something about it
somewhere.

It's obsolete tech. SSD's are cheaper now.
And you don't need them anyway.
I have an SSD for my OS. It boots faster.
BFD.
Can't tell the difference anywhere else.
My games are still on spinners, plain and not RAIDed.
No noticeable difference.
If you're moving massive files from SSD to SSD, it'll be faster.
SSD's will kill off spinners as prices fall.



I think the difference is that the SSDs available today have much higher
storage capacity than those of years past. The whole operating system
along with frequently used applications can reside on the SSD.



Apple has been using Samsung, Toshiba, and Sandisk SSDs. I don't know
what brand or spec is in the new iMacs, because all Apple lists on its
"shopping site" is capacity. They are getting a premium of about $150,
give or take, for the 512 GB drive, which is $500 more than an iMac with
a one terabyte spinning drive. The latter are about $75 retail these
days, and the 512 GB SSD's are anywhere from about $350 to $500 at
retail, give or take.

There's no question the prices for SSDs are dropping faster than a
Hollywood starlet's panties, though. I've seen an ad for a Samsung
Terabyte SSD for under $550.



--
There’s no point crying over spilled 4-Methylcyclohexanemethanol.

Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 1/28/2014 8:19 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
...if your iMac has a fusion drive, this is a pretty good read on how it
actually works.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6679/a...s-fusion-drive



Interesting. I don't have a clue if my iMac has fusion drive or not. I
don't think so, but I seem to recall reading something about it somewhere.

It's obsolete tech. SSD's are cheaper now.
And you don't need them anyway.
I have an SSD for my OS. It boots faster.
BFD.
Can't tell the difference anywhere else.
My games are still on spinners, plain and not RAIDed.
No noticeable difference.
If you're moving massive files from SSD to SSD, it'll be faster.
SSD's will kill off spinners as prices fall.

Be a long time before SSD kills off spinners! Just the price difference
per Terabyte will keep hard drives selling for years. You remind me of a
fellow engineer when I worked for Maxtor. He stated, he could put all the
storage anybody needed on his desktop. We were designing a 1.9gb 5" drive
at the time. Early 1990's. He did not really have a clue about storage
requirements. Was PC centric. When I designed disk controllers for DEC
systems, customers were using 600 MB washing machine sized drives and were
limited by room real estate as to how many they could install. You have to
consider commercial storage requirements. Credit reporting agencies, NSA,
NASA, banks and all in RAID systems.

On 1/30/14, 2:03 PM, Califbill wrote:
Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 1/28/2014 8:19 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
...if your iMac has a fusion drive, this is a pretty good read on how it
actually works.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6679/a...s-fusion-drive



Interesting. I don't have a clue if my iMac has fusion drive or not. I
don't think so, but I seem to recall reading something about it somewhere.

It's obsolete tech. SSD's are cheaper now.
And you don't need them anyway.
I have an SSD for my OS. It boots faster.
BFD.
Can't tell the difference anywhere else.
My games are still on spinners, plain and not RAIDed.
No noticeable difference.
If you're moving massive files from SSD to SSD, it'll be faster.
SSD's will kill off spinners as prices fall.

Be a long time before SSD kills off spinners! Just the price difference
per Terabyte will keep hard drives selling for years. You remind me of a
fellow engineer when I worked for Maxtor. He stated, he could put all the
storage anybody needed on his desktop. We were designing a 1.9gb 5" drive
at the time. Early 1990's. He did not really have a clue about storage
requirements. Was PC centric. When I designed disk controllers for DEC
systems, customers were using 600 MB washing machine sized drives and were
limited by room real estate as to how many they could install. You have to
consider commercial storage requirements. Credit reporting agencies, NSA,
NASA, banks and all in RAID systems.



SSD drive prices are dropping pretty fast. I happened to look this AM at
prices on Amazon for a top of the line Samsung 500 GB SSD, and found
several at around $300, and a 1 TB drive for about $500. That's about
half of what a similar drive would have been last year, or maybe a tad
more, at least for the 500 GB drive. I don't know what terabyte SSD's
were selling for in the past.

The TB drive is this honey: Samsung Electronics 840 EVO-Series 1TB
2.5-Inch SATA III Single Unit Version Internal Solid State Drive
MZ-7TE1T0BW

Prices on "Spinner" drives, even the quality ones, have dropped even
more dramatically the last two years.

I ordered my new iMac with an SSD drive. Will be here by the end of next
week, I'm sure. It's a long swim from China or wherever it is being
manufactured/assembled.


--
There’s no point crying over spilled 4-Methylcyclohexanemethanol.

On 1/30/2014 2:03 PM, Califbill wrote:
Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 1/28/2014 8:19 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
...if your iMac has a fusion drive, this is a pretty good read on how it
actually works.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6679/a...s-fusion-drive



Interesting. I don't have a clue if my iMac has fusion drive or not. I
don't think so, but I seem to recall reading something about it somewhere.

It's obsolete tech. SSD's are cheaper now.
And you don't need them anyway.
I have an SSD for my OS. It boots faster.
BFD.
Can't tell the difference anywhere else.
My games are still on spinners, plain and not RAIDed.
No noticeable difference.
If you're moving massive files from SSD to SSD, it'll be faster.
SSD's will kill off spinners as prices fall.

Be a long time before SSD kills off spinners! Just the price difference
per Terabyte will keep hard drives selling for years. You remind me of a
fellow engineer when I worked for Maxtor. He stated, he could put all the
storage anybody needed on his desktop. We were designing a 1.9gb 5" drive
at the time. Early 1990's. He did not really have a clue about storage
requirements. Was PC centric. When I designed disk controllers for DEC
systems, customers were using 600 MB washing machine sized drives and were
limited by room real estate as to how many they could install. You have to
consider commercial storage requirements. Credit reporting agencies, NSA,
NASA, banks and all in RAID systems.


I don't think it will be decreased price or additional capacity of SSDs
that kill off spinners. I think it will be the fact that you just don't
need a lot of local storage and future computers won't have it. The
trend is "cloud" storage and has been for several years.