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For all of you Apple lovers...
On 1/27/14, 2:12 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 12:29:27 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 1/27/14, 12:00 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 11:16:40 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 1/27/14, 10:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 1/27/2014 10:30 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 1/27/14, 10:22 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 1/27/2014 9:58 AM, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... I've had very good luck with the HP Pavilian series laptops, one Vista, one Win 7. I suppose now that I said that this one will freeze up and die. I've had it since 2009 and used it extensively everyday at the guitar shop until about a year ago when I brought it home. I keep the Win 7 in reserve and am also getting familiar with the iMac. Anything an Apple product does better than a Windows based product? Seems to me the only reason for Apple is the "precious" factor. I'm a gamer, so I never considered one. The display on the new iMac is nice, although I wish there was a way to turn down the overall color drive. There's a display "calibrations" procedure that I've done but it doesn't allow you to simply turn down the color. Some websites, like Yahoo's homepage, is just way too overly saturated, color-wise. Other than that, I'd say the iMac is well built but so far does not offer any special features or capabilities that I can't do on a Windows machine. I use the Windows laptop 90 percent of the time and use the iMac only for off-line stuff like my mini recording studio. You couldn't find a setting you liked in Calibration Assistant or whatever it is called under preferences, display, color? I did that once a few years ago and toned everything down a tad. I've gone through the calibration two or three times and also tried the other RGB standard options. It calibrates the black, etc. but there is no apparent way to simply turn the color drive down overall. There probably isn't on a Windows machine either but the Windows machines don't produce as vibrant a display as the iMac. It seems to me there were some downloadable presets you could use, but this is a five year old memory of something I didn't do, so I'm not sure. Flip me your email address and I'll send you back the location of a site that has first-rate, free tech help. harry.krause@gmail et cetera Gee, a tech help site is that private? It's not private, but I doubt the sysops there want to encourage posters like some of the snarky assholes here, since their presence would create extra work. I wouldn't want to see a plethora of posters there whose only function is to insult the family members of other posters, eh. Well, hopefully you're not posting a lot of political, religious, or otherwise caustic stuff there which would get the crap started, right? How you react to a post is up to you. You seem to be trying to provoke. You'll have to try that on someone else. I'm not interested. -- There’s no point crying over spilled 4-Methylcyclohexanemethanol. |
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#23
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For all of you Apple lovers...
BAR wrote:
In article , says... On 1/26/2014 4:42 PM, Wayne.B wrote: A video clip of Steve Jobs introducing the Macintosh in 1984: http://venturebeat.com/2014/01/26/check-out-steve-jobs-demo-the-mac-for-the-first-time-in-1984-video/ The Mac was a very cool computer and way ahead of its time. I had the use of one at the office back around 1985 or so. The graphics and laser printer were just great. That was interesting. It also struck me how much Macintosh has evolved into becoming more like a PC running Windows over the years. Back when they had 68000 processors we used them to develop software for 68000 based communicaitons devices. The Mac was a beautiful box. Sort of a POS inside. Marginal power supply. On the cusp of too small. No parity on most of the busses. Apple made their name with open architecture, and the Mac went totally closed! Apple could have taken most of the PC business with an open architecture Mac. We had a couple Mac's at System Industries, and probably 60 PC's. We ran bit slice emulators, and logic tracers, and a bunch of other add on board programs on the PC. You could not even change the disk drive in a Mac with one not bought for twice as much from Apple. Same disk drive as a PC with a different SCSI identifier. But the built in programs in the MAC were very good choices. |
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#24
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For all of you Apple lovers...
In article , says...
On 1/27/2014 8:22 AM, BAR wrote: In article , says... On 1/26/2014 9:39 PM, BAR wrote: In article , says... On 1/26/2014 4:42 PM, Wayne.B wrote: A video clip of Steve Jobs introducing the Macintosh in 1984: http://venturebeat.com/2014/01/26/check-out-steve-jobs-demo-the-mac-for-the-first-time-in-1984-video/ The Mac was a very cool computer and way ahead of its time. I had the use of one at the office back around 1985 or so. The graphics and laser printer were just great. That was interesting. It also struck me how much Macintosh has evolved into becoming more like a PC running Windows over the years. Back when they had 68000 processors we used them to develop software for 68000 based communicaitons devices. The first serious 68000 based computer system I became familiar with was a HP 9836 with extended I/O rack back in the mid 1980s. We used it to attempt to automate the control of thin film deposition in a vacuum chamber based on optically monitoring the changes in the index of refraction of the deposited films. The HP 9836 had to compute a Fourier transform curve fitting algorithm in real time. How's that for being "nerdy"? :-) HP should have stuck with the test tools, test automation and printers. Their computers were never really good general purpose systems and their attempt to bolster their street cred in the PC area by buying Compaq, which had bought DEC, did do anything to help their bottome line. The HP 9836 was definitely not designed for the consumer market. I remember that the computer and the I/O that we needed was about $16,000 or more back in 1985. I had a pirated copy of the early, first release of Flight Simulator (it was on a 5.25" floppy) and used to play around with it. The "airplane" was simply a off-centered cross. I've had very good luck with the HP Pavilian series laptops, one Vista, one Win 7. I suppose now that I said that this one will freeze up and die. I've had it since 2009 and used it extensively everyday at the guitar shop until about a year ago when I brought it home. I keep the Win 7 in reserve and am also getting familiar with the iMac. Back in the day we were running Convergent Technologies equipment, IWS, AWS, MegaFraame, nGen. Anyone in the CG or GSA in the early to mid 80's was using this equipment to run all kinds of things. These were basically PC's that cost from $12,000 to $30,000 with the MegaFrame running upwards of $80,000. Good solid well engineered systems. The company I worked for in the mid 80's was using something similar to an TRS-80 to monitor communications lines coming off of mainframe computers and the AWS and nGen's to do the data crunching. I wouldn't take an HP PC even if you paid for it and you did all of the setup and maintenance. The HP 1000's, 2000's and 3000's were great boxes for high school kids to play with. |
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#25
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For all of you Apple lovers...
In article , says...
On 1/27/2014 10:30 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 1/27/14, 10:22 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 1/27/2014 9:58 AM, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... I've had very good luck with the HP Pavilian series laptops, one Vista, one Win 7. I suppose now that I said that this one will freeze up and die. I've had it since 2009 and used it extensively everyday at the guitar shop until about a year ago when I brought it home. I keep the Win 7 in reserve and am also getting familiar with the iMac. Anything an Apple product does better than a Windows based product? Seems to me the only reason for Apple is the "precious" factor. I'm a gamer, so I never considered one. The display on the new iMac is nice, although I wish there was a way to turn down the overall color drive. There's a display "calibrations" procedure that I've done but it doesn't allow you to simply turn down the color. Some websites, like Yahoo's homepage, is just way too overly saturated, color-wise. Other than that, I'd say the iMac is well built but so far does not offer any special features or capabilities that I can't do on a Windows machine. I use the Windows laptop 90 percent of the time and use the iMac only for off-line stuff like my mini recording studio. You couldn't find a setting you liked in Calibration Assistant or whatever it is called under preferences, display, color? I did that once a few years ago and toned everything down a tad. I've gone through the calibration two or three times and also tried the other RGB standard options. It calibrates the black, etc. but there is no apparent way to simply turn the color drive down overall. There probably isn't on a Windows machine either but the Windows machines don't produce as vibrant a display as the iMac. XFree86 |
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#26
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For all of you Apple lovers...
In article , says...
On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 10:21:04 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 1/27/14, 9:58 AM, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... I've had very good luck with the HP Pavilian series laptops, one Vista, one Win 7. I suppose now that I said that this one will freeze up and die. I've had it since 2009 and used it extensively everyday at the guitar shop until about a year ago when I brought it home. I keep the Win 7 in reserve and am also getting familiar with the iMac. Anything an Apple product does better than a Windows based product? Seems to me the only reason for Apple is the "precious" factor. I'm a gamer, so I never considered one. I think the media applications work better and slicker on the Mac computers than on the Windoze computers. I also think that much of the software common to both vehicles, such as Firefox, Thunderbird, and many others, works more robustly on the Macs. The Windoze office suite seems the same on both vehicles to me, and WORD is just as annoying on Macs as it is on Windoze machines.  What do you mean by 'robust'. I've run Firefox, IE, and Chrome on this old XP, and find all of them very 'robust' - if you mean fast. To me, Macs and the stuff that runs on them are easier to customize, and the real estate in the OSX directories is easier to find. And there's no damned Windoze registry. From what I have seen, there are a zillion more games available for Windoze machines than Mac machines. What do you mean by "the real estate in the OSX directories is easier to find"? The average user has no routine reason to search for and find directories in the operating system, Apple or Windows. Do you mean applications or programs? You have never lost a file from the infamous Office save function? |
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#27
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For all of you Apple lovers...
On 1/27/14, 11:25 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 1/27/14, 11:15 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 10:21:04 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 1/27/14, 9:58 AM, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... I've had very good luck with the HP Pavilian series laptops, one Vista, one Win 7. I suppose now that I said that this one will freeze up and die. I've had it since 2009 and used it extensively everyday at the guitar shop until about a year ago when I brought it home. I keep the Win 7 in reserve and am also getting familiar with the iMac. Anything an Apple product does better than a Windows based product? Seems to me the only reason for Apple is the "precious" factor. I'm a gamer, so I never considered one. I think the media applications work better and slicker on the Mac computers than on the Windoze computers. I also think that much of the software common to both vehicles, such as Firefox, Thunderbird, and many others, works more robustly on the Macs. The Windoze office suite seems the same on both vehicles to me, and WORD is just as annoying on Macs as it is on Windoze machines. What do you mean by 'robust'. I've run Firefox, IE, and Chrome on this old XP, and find all of them very 'robust' - if you mean fast. To me, Macs and the stuff that runs on them are easier to customize, and the real estate in the OSX directories is easier to find. And there's no damned Windoze registry. From what I have seen, there are a zillion more games available for Windoze machines than Mac machines. What do you mean by "the real estate in the OSX directories is easier to find"? The average user has no routine reason to search for and find directories in the operating system, Apple or Windows. Do you mean applications or programs? No, I mean things like libraries and plist files or in windows, the registry and other arcana. There are settings in the apple libraries I sometimes need to get to to adjust the way a program works or looks, or to make sure I eliminate all the crud a program I've deleted has scattered about the hard drive. Apple's OS has ways to seek out, find and modify or get rid of this stuff if you know where to look. As an example, there are settings in Thunderbird and Firefox CSS files in Mac OS that allow a user to more heavily customize the appearance on screen of more aspects of the programs. You have to know how to make certain libraries visible and what to look for once you find the right file and of course how to modify the setting you want. -- There’s no point crying over spilled 4-Methylcyclohexanemethanol. |
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#28
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For all of you Apple lovers...
On 1/27/2014 7:08 PM, BAR wrote:
In article , says... On 1/27/2014 8:22 AM, BAR wrote: In article , says... On 1/26/2014 9:39 PM, BAR wrote: In article , says... On 1/26/2014 4:42 PM, Wayne.B wrote: A video clip of Steve Jobs introducing the Macintosh in 1984: http://venturebeat.com/2014/01/26/check-out-steve-jobs-demo-the-mac-for-the-first-time-in-1984-video/ The Mac was a very cool computer and way ahead of its time. I had the use of one at the office back around 1985 or so. The graphics and laser printer were just great. That was interesting. It also struck me how much Macintosh has evolved into becoming more like a PC running Windows over the years. Back when they had 68000 processors we used them to develop software for 68000 based communicaitons devices. The first serious 68000 based computer system I became familiar with was a HP 9836 with extended I/O rack back in the mid 1980s. We used it to attempt to automate the control of thin film deposition in a vacuum chamber based on optically monitoring the changes in the index of refraction of the deposited films. The HP 9836 had to compute a Fourier transform curve fitting algorithm in real time. How's that for being "nerdy"? :-) HP should have stuck with the test tools, test automation and printers. Their computers were never really good general purpose systems and their attempt to bolster their street cred in the PC area by buying Compaq, which had bought DEC, did do anything to help their bottome line. The HP 9836 was definitely not designed for the consumer market. I remember that the computer and the I/O that we needed was about $16,000 or more back in 1985. I had a pirated copy of the early, first release of Flight Simulator (it was on a 5.25" floppy) and used to play around with it. The "airplane" was simply a off-centered cross. I've had very good luck with the HP Pavilian series laptops, one Vista, one Win 7. I suppose now that I said that this one will freeze up and die. I've had it since 2009 and used it extensively everyday at the guitar shop until about a year ago when I brought it home. I keep the Win 7 in reserve and am also getting familiar with the iMac. Back in the day we were running Convergent Technologies equipment, IWS, AWS, MegaFraame, nGen. Anyone in the CG or GSA in the early to mid 80's was using this equipment to run all kinds of things. These were basically PC's that cost from $12,000 to $30,000 with the MegaFrame running upwards of $80,000. Good solid well engineered systems. The company I worked for in the mid 80's was using something similar to an TRS-80 to monitor communications lines coming off of mainframe computers and the AWS and nGen's to do the data crunching. I wouldn't take an HP PC even if you paid for it and you did all of the setup and maintenance. The HP 1000's, 2000's and 3000's were great boxes for high school kids to play with. Well, any free ones offered your way ... just drop ship them to me. :-) I don't expect any computer to last forever. They have become disposable items. |
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#29
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For all of you Apple lovers...
On 1/27/2014 7:20 PM, BAR wrote:
In article , says... On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 10:21:04 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 1/27/14, 9:58 AM, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... I've had very good luck with the HP Pavilian series laptops, one Vista, one Win 7. I suppose now that I said that this one will freeze up and die. I've had it since 2009 and used it extensively everyday at the guitar shop until about a year ago when I brought it home. I keep the Win 7 in reserve and am also getting familiar with the iMac. Anything an Apple product does better than a Windows based product? Seems to me the only reason for Apple is the "precious" factor. I'm a gamer, so I never considered one. I think the media applications work better and slicker on the Mac computers than on the Windoze computers. I also think that much of the software common to both vehicles, such as Firefox, Thunderbird, and many others, works more robustly on the Macs. The Windoze office suite seems the same on both vehicles to me, and WORD is just as annoying on Macs as it is on Windoze machines. What do you mean by 'robust'. I've run Firefox, IE, and Chrome on this old XP, and find all of them very 'robust' - if you mean fast. To me, Macs and the stuff that runs on them are easier to customize, and the real estate in the OSX directories is easier to find. And there's no damned Windoze registry. From what I have seen, there are a zillion more games available for Windoze machines than Mac machines. What do you mean by "the real estate in the OSX directories is easier to find"? The average user has no routine reason to search for and find directories in the operating system, Apple or Windows. Do you mean applications or programs? You have never lost a file from the infamous Office save function? Not that I know of. If I did, it must not have been very important. |
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#30
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For all of you Apple lovers...
On 1/27/2014 7:19 PM, BAR wrote:
In article , says... On 1/27/2014 10:30 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 1/27/14, 10:22 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 1/27/2014 9:58 AM, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... I've had very good luck with the HP Pavilian series laptops, one Vista, one Win 7. I suppose now that I said that this one will freeze up and die. I've had it since 2009 and used it extensively everyday at the guitar shop until about a year ago when I brought it home. I keep the Win 7 in reserve and am also getting familiar with the iMac. Anything an Apple product does better than a Windows based product? Seems to me the only reason for Apple is the "precious" factor. I'm a gamer, so I never considered one. The display on the new iMac is nice, although I wish there was a way to turn down the overall color drive. There's a display "calibrations" procedure that I've done but it doesn't allow you to simply turn down the color. Some websites, like Yahoo's homepage, is just way too overly saturated, color-wise. Other than that, I'd say the iMac is well built but so far does not offer any special features or capabilities that I can't do on a Windows machine. I use the Windows laptop 90 percent of the time and use the iMac only for off-line stuff like my mini recording studio. You couldn't find a setting you liked in Calibration Assistant or whatever it is called under preferences, display, color? I did that once a few years ago and toned everything down a tad. I've gone through the calibration two or three times and also tried the other RGB standard options. It calibrates the black, etc. but there is no apparent way to simply turn the color drive down overall. There probably isn't on a Windows machine either but the Windows machines don't produce as vibrant a display as the iMac. XFree86 Thanks. I took a look at it on the website. A little too advanced for me, I think. I just use 'em. I don't get too much involved in modifying how they work. |
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