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On 1/29/2014 11:20 AM, wrote:
On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:00:17 AM UTC-5, John H. wrote: On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 07:48:15 -0800 (PST), wrote: The same brand, K&N. K&N is snake oil. No real benefit, lets more junk in. May not matter if the motor isn't real. :-) We're talking about the filters, not the oil. Compared to the spec Moto Guzzi filters, the K&N's probably do just as well at filtering. Plus, it's not a major mechanical nightmare to change the air filter. I'm talking about the K&N filters. They may flow slightly better than stock filters, but let larger particles through. Unless you are running a race engine that's full throttle most of the time and gets rebuilt frequently, there's no benefit. After all, trhe vast majority of your running time is at partial throttle, and the stock filter can easily flow that much air. You do get a bit more intake noise, though! I know I noted it before but the filters K+N makes for dirtbikes in my opinion wouldn't protect a typical MX engine for more than a few laps on a dusty day.... The clay dust we have at our facility will pass right through them in my opinion. I don't know anybody that uses them, period... and if they do, it's probably why I don't know them, them not being at the track with the blown up motors and all....:( For John in particular. I would think that two Twin Air filters, and one 20 dollar two pack of No Toil, would last as long as you will be riding the bike...... unless you are gonna' change that air filter more than say, 40-50 times in that period:) |
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On 1/29/2014 11:22 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 11:10:54 -0500, KC wrote: On 1/29/2014 10:48 AM, wrote: On Monday, January 27, 2014 10:04:40 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 1/27/14, 9:53 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 21:05:40 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 1/26/14, 8:52 PM, Poco Loco wrote: snipped The same brand, K&N. K&N is snake oil. No real benefit, lets more junk in. May not matter if the motor isn't real. :-) K+N makes a motocross filter that you could literally pour sugar through... it is basically a sieve. We don't use K+N anything in our sport, not for more than two rides or so:( There are several good filter systems, cleaners, and oil out there but we use "No Toil". It's non toxic, biodegradable, you take a teaspoon or so of poweder in the sink with some warm water and you got a clean filter. There is no nasty petrolium smell either, if you have a lot of filters in the rotation like we do, a quarter cup of No Toil cleaner in the family washer will do just fine and rinses out completely leaving no smell or residue. You use the No Toil filter oil too, again non toxic, biodegradable, etc... The only tradeoff I can see with the stuff is the filter oil can not be cleaned with degreaser, or soap, etc.. You need to use the No Toil powder to clean it out of your filters... http://www.bikebandit.com/no-toil-air-filter-oil-cleaner?utm_source=feed&utm_medium=merchantfeed&ut m_campaign=pla&gclid=CMz7jePio7wCFSZBQgod9lMA1w All in all, I wouldn't use anything else. I will say however, do not buy the NoToil pre oiled filters, they just don't hold up. We use exclusively TwinAir filters as they are strong and do the best, are the standard in our sport. http://www.bikebandit.com/twin-air-air-filter?utm_source=feed&utm_medium=merchantfeed&utm _campaign=pla&gclid=CKW-h8jio7wCFe6DQgodUXQAtw Either way, I have been watching this thread but have been busy, didn't know if I was gonna' get to this before the thread died but that's my two cents on motorcycle filters and oil... Remember, our sport puts as much dirt and **** to a filter system than probably any other sport on earth.... and to this day we have never... um, sorry, just can't bring myself to finish that sentence so close to a new season:) Think about it though... I clean my K&Ns with hot water and Simple Green - let them soak for a while, blow them out (from the inside), let them dry, then spray them with ATF using a squirt bottle. It's worked for over 200,000 miles, but I don't take my bike on dirt tracks too often! Well, it's a different animal I guess... The K+N filter they make for our bike, you can see right through but then agian, we move a lot of **** into the air box you never see... |
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On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 08:20:03 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:00:17 AM UTC-5, John H. wrote: On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 07:48:15 -0800 (PST), wrote: The same brand, K&N. K&N is snake oil. No real benefit, lets more junk in. May not matter if the motor isn't real. :-) We're talking about the filters, not the oil. Compared to the spec Moto Guzzi filters, the K&N's probably do just as well at filtering. Plus, it's not a major mechanical nightmare to change the air filter. I'm talking about the K&N filters. They may flow slightly better than stock filters, but let larger particles through. Unless you are running a race engine that's full throttle most of the time and gets rebuilt frequently, there's no benefit. After all, trhe vast majority of your running time is at partial throttle, and the stock filter can easily flow that much air. You do get a bit more intake noise, though! The big benefit is the ease of cleaning and/or changing the filters. On an older Guzzi, the stock filter is a nightmare to change. |
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On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 11:49:15 -0500, KC wrote:
On 1/29/2014 11:22 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 11:10:54 -0500, KC wrote: On 1/29/2014 10:48 AM, wrote: On Monday, January 27, 2014 10:04:40 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 1/27/14, 9:53 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 21:05:40 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 1/26/14, 8:52 PM, Poco Loco wrote: snipped The same brand, K&N. K&N is snake oil. No real benefit, lets more junk in. May not matter if the motor isn't real. :-) K+N makes a motocross filter that you could literally pour sugar through... it is basically a sieve. We don't use K+N anything in our sport, not for more than two rides or so:( There are several good filter systems, cleaners, and oil out there but we use "No Toil". It's non toxic, biodegradable, you take a teaspoon or so of poweder in the sink with some warm water and you got a clean filter. There is no nasty petrolium smell either, if you have a lot of filters in the rotation like we do, a quarter cup of No Toil cleaner in the family washer will do just fine and rinses out completely leaving no smell or residue. You use the No Toil filter oil too, again non toxic, biodegradable, etc... The only tradeoff I can see with the stuff is the filter oil can not be cleaned with degreaser, or soap, etc.. You need to use the No Toil powder to clean it out of your filters... http://www.bikebandit.com/no-toil-air-filter-oil-cleaner?utm_source=feed&utm_medium=merchantfeed&ut m_campaign=pla&gclid=CMz7jePio7wCFSZBQgod9lMA1w All in all, I wouldn't use anything else. I will say however, do not buy the NoToil pre oiled filters, they just don't hold up. We use exclusively TwinAir filters as they are strong and do the best, are the standard in our sport. http://www.bikebandit.com/twin-air-air-filter?utm_source=feed&utm_medium=merchantfeed&utm _campaign=pla&gclid=CKW-h8jio7wCFe6DQgodUXQAtw Either way, I have been watching this thread but have been busy, didn't know if I was gonna' get to this before the thread died but that's my two cents on motorcycle filters and oil... Remember, our sport puts as much dirt and **** to a filter system than probably any other sport on earth.... and to this day we have never... um, sorry, just can't bring myself to finish that sentence so close to a new season:) Think about it though... I clean my K&Ns with hot water and Simple Green - let them soak for a while, blow them out (from the inside), let them dry, then spray them with ATF using a squirt bottle. It's worked for over 200,000 miles, but I don't take my bike on dirt tracks too often! Well, it's a different animal I guess... The K+N filter they make for our bike, you can see right through but then agian, we move a lot of **** into the air box you never see... I'm talking about this style: http://www.knfilters.com/search/prod...x?prod=SN-2540 One on each carb intake. |
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On 1/29/14, 12:55 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 11:49:15 -0500, KC wrote: On 1/29/2014 11:22 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 11:10:54 -0500, KC wrote: On 1/29/2014 10:48 AM, wrote: On Monday, January 27, 2014 10:04:40 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 1/27/14, 9:53 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 21:05:40 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 1/26/14, 8:52 PM, Poco Loco wrote: snipped The same brand, K&N. K&N is snake oil. No real benefit, lets more junk in. May not matter if the motor isn't real. :-) K+N makes a motocross filter that you could literally pour sugar through... it is basically a sieve. We don't use K+N anything in our sport, not for more than two rides or so:( There are several good filter systems, cleaners, and oil out there but we use "No Toil". It's non toxic, biodegradable, you take a teaspoon or so of poweder in the sink with some warm water and you got a clean filter. There is no nasty petrolium smell either, if you have a lot of filters in the rotation like we do, a quarter cup of No Toil cleaner in the family washer will do just fine and rinses out completely leaving no smell or residue. You use the No Toil filter oil too, again non toxic, biodegradable, etc... The only tradeoff I can see with the stuff is the filter oil can not be cleaned with degreaser, or soap, etc.. You need to use the No Toil powder to clean it out of your filters... http://www.bikebandit.com/no-toil-air-filter-oil-cleaner?utm_source=feed&utm_medium=merchantfeed&ut m_campaign=pla&gclid=CMz7jePio7wCFSZBQgod9lMA1w All in all, I wouldn't use anything else. I will say however, do not buy the NoToil pre oiled filters, they just don't hold up. We use exclusively TwinAir filters as they are strong and do the best, are the standard in our sport. http://www.bikebandit.com/twin-air-air-filter?utm_source=feed&utm_medium=merchantfeed&utm _campaign=pla&gclid=CKW-h8jio7wCFe6DQgodUXQAtw Either way, I have been watching this thread but have been busy, didn't know if I was gonna' get to this before the thread died but that's my two cents on motorcycle filters and oil... Remember, our sport puts as much dirt and **** to a filter system than probably any other sport on earth.... and to this day we have never... um, sorry, just can't bring myself to finish that sentence so close to a new season:) Think about it though... I clean my K&Ns with hot water and Simple Green - let them soak for a while, blow them out (from the inside), let them dry, then spray them with ATF using a squirt bottle. It's worked for over 200,000 miles, but I don't take my bike on dirt tracks too often! Well, it's a different animal I guess... The K+N filter they make for our bike, you can see right through but then agian, we move a lot of **** into the air box you never see... I'm talking about this style: http://www.knfilters.com/search/prod...x?prod=SN-2540 One on each carb intake. heheheheh. -- There’s no point crying over spilled 4-Methylcyclohexanemethanol. |
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On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 11:47:51 -0500, KC wrote:
On 1/29/2014 11:20 AM, wrote: On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:00:17 AM UTC-5, John H. wrote: On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 07:48:15 -0800 (PST), wrote: The same brand, K&N. K&N is snake oil. No real benefit, lets more junk in. May not matter if the motor isn't real. :-) We're talking about the filters, not the oil. Compared to the spec Moto Guzzi filters, the K&N's probably do just as well at filtering. Plus, it's not a major mechanical nightmare to change the air filter. I'm talking about the K&N filters. They may flow slightly better than stock filters, but let larger particles through. Unless you are running a race engine that's full throttle most of the time and gets rebuilt frequently, there's no benefit. After all, trhe vast majority of your running time is at partial throttle, and the stock filter can easily flow that much air. You do get a bit more intake noise, though! I know I noted it before but the filters K+N makes for dirtbikes in my opinion wouldn't protect a typical MX engine for more than a few laps on a dusty day.... The clay dust we have at our facility will pass right through them in my opinion. I don't know anybody that uses them, period... and if they do, it's probably why I don't know them, them not being at the track with the blown up motors and all....:( For John in particular. I would think that two Twin Air filters, and one 20 dollar two pack of No Toil, would last as long as you will be riding the bike...... unless you are gonna' change that air filter more than say, 40-50 times in that period:) I looked at the site, but could find nothing that looked like it would work on the Guzzi. You can see mine behind the carb. It doesn't look new, 'cause it's 23 years old. http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...uzziEngine.jpg |
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On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 13:00:33 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 1/29/14, 12:55 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 11:49:15 -0500, KC wrote: On 1/29/2014 11:22 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 11:10:54 -0500, KC wrote: On 1/29/2014 10:48 AM, wrote: On Monday, January 27, 2014 10:04:40 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 1/27/14, 9:53 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 21:05:40 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 1/26/14, 8:52 PM, Poco Loco wrote: snipped The same brand, K&N. K&N is snake oil. No real benefit, lets more junk in. May not matter if the motor isn't real. :-) K+N makes a motocross filter that you could literally pour sugar through... it is basically a sieve. We don't use K+N anything in our sport, not for more than two rides or so:( There are several good filter systems, cleaners, and oil out there but we use "No Toil". It's non toxic, biodegradable, you take a teaspoon or so of poweder in the sink with some warm water and you got a clean filter. There is no nasty petrolium smell either, if you have a lot of filters in the rotation like we do, a quarter cup of No Toil cleaner in the family washer will do just fine and rinses out completely leaving no smell or residue. You use the No Toil filter oil too, again non toxic, biodegradable, etc... The only tradeoff I can see with the stuff is the filter oil can not be cleaned with degreaser, or soap, etc.. You need to use the No Toil powder to clean it out of your filters... http://www.bikebandit.com/no-toil-air-filter-oil-cleaner?utm_source=feed&utm_medium=merchantfeed&ut m_campaign=pla&gclid=CMz7jePio7wCFSZBQgod9lMA1w All in all, I wouldn't use anything else. I will say however, do not buy the NoToil pre oiled filters, they just don't hold up. We use exclusively TwinAir filters as they are strong and do the best, are the standard in our sport. http://www.bikebandit.com/twin-air-air-filter?utm_source=feed&utm_medium=merchantfeed&utm _campaign=pla&gclid=CKW-h8jio7wCFe6DQgodUXQAtw Either way, I have been watching this thread but have been busy, didn't know if I was gonna' get to this before the thread died but that's my two cents on motorcycle filters and oil... Remember, our sport puts as much dirt and **** to a filter system than probably any other sport on earth.... and to this day we have never... um, sorry, just can't bring myself to finish that sentence so close to a new season:) Think about it though... I clean my K&Ns with hot water and Simple Green - let them soak for a while, blow them out (from the inside), let them dry, then spray them with ATF using a squirt bottle. It's worked for over 200,000 miles, but I don't take my bike on dirt tracks too often! Well, it's a different animal I guess... The K+N filter they make for our bike, you can see right through but then agian, we move a lot of **** into the air box you never see... I'm talking about this style: http://www.knfilters.com/search/prod...x?prod=SN-2540 One on each carb intake. heheheheh. I'm so glad you found something humorous in there, Harry. |
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On 1/29/2014 12:53 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 08:20:03 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:00:17 AM UTC-5, John H. wrote: On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 07:48:15 -0800 (PST), wrote: The same brand, K&N. K&N is snake oil. No real benefit, lets more junk in. May not matter if the motor isn't real. :-) We're talking about the filters, not the oil. Compared to the spec Moto Guzzi filters, the K&N's probably do just as well at filtering. Plus, it's not a major mechanical nightmare to change the air filter. I'm talking about the K&N filters. They may flow slightly better than stock filters, but let larger particles through. Unless you are running a race engine that's full throttle most of the time and gets rebuilt frequently, there's no benefit. After all, trhe vast majority of your running time is at partial throttle, and the stock filter can easily flow that much air. You do get a bit more intake noise, though! The big benefit is the ease of cleaning and/or changing the filters. On an older Guzzi, the stock filter is a nightmare to change. Lot of parts to move out of the way, or hard to get out without polluting the carb, or both?? |
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On 1/29/2014 12:55 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 11:49:15 -0500, KC wrote: On 1/29/2014 11:22 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 11:10:54 -0500, KC wrote: On 1/29/2014 10:48 AM, wrote: On Monday, January 27, 2014 10:04:40 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 1/27/14, 9:53 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 21:05:40 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 1/26/14, 8:52 PM, Poco Loco wrote: snipped The same brand, K&N. K&N is snake oil. No real benefit, lets more junk in. May not matter if the motor isn't real. :-) K+N makes a motocross filter that you could literally pour sugar through... it is basically a sieve. We don't use K+N anything in our sport, not for more than two rides or so:( There are several good filter systems, cleaners, and oil out there but we use "No Toil". It's non toxic, biodegradable, you take a teaspoon or so of poweder in the sink with some warm water and you got a clean filter. There is no nasty petrolium smell either, if you have a lot of filters in the rotation like we do, a quarter cup of No Toil cleaner in the family washer will do just fine and rinses out completely leaving no smell or residue. You use the No Toil filter oil too, again non toxic, biodegradable, etc... The only tradeoff I can see with the stuff is the filter oil can not be cleaned with degreaser, or soap, etc.. You need to use the No Toil powder to clean it out of your filters... http://www.bikebandit.com/no-toil-air-filter-oil-cleaner?utm_source=feed&utm_medium=merchantfeed&ut m_campaign=pla&gclid=CMz7jePio7wCFSZBQgod9lMA1w All in all, I wouldn't use anything else. I will say however, do not buy the NoToil pre oiled filters, they just don't hold up. We use exclusively TwinAir filters as they are strong and do the best, are the standard in our sport. http://www.bikebandit.com/twin-air-air-filter?utm_source=feed&utm_medium=merchantfeed&utm _campaign=pla&gclid=CKW-h8jio7wCFe6DQgodUXQAtw Either way, I have been watching this thread but have been busy, didn't know if I was gonna' get to this before the thread died but that's my two cents on motorcycle filters and oil... Remember, our sport puts as much dirt and **** to a filter system than probably any other sport on earth.... and to this day we have never... um, sorry, just can't bring myself to finish that sentence so close to a new season:) Think about it though... I clean my K&Ns with hot water and Simple Green - let them soak for a while, blow them out (from the inside), let them dry, then spray them with ATF using a squirt bottle. It's worked for over 200,000 miles, but I don't take my bike on dirt tracks too often! Well, it's a different animal I guess... The K+N filter they make for our bike, you can see right through but then agian, we move a lot of **** into the air box you never see... I'm talking about this style: http://www.knfilters.com/search/prod...x?prod=SN-2540 One on each carb intake. Yes, that is the kind of filter some of the smaller mx bikes take... only the one I saw, was not a fiber filter or paper, it was a mesh and I could see light right through it.. |
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