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Cruising Boats Being Impounded by Mexican IRS
From the horse' mouth, including followup by our own Ed Kelly...
First, a mouth-shooter: -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Cruisers_Network_Online] US, Canadian boaters left in limbo in Mexico From: Date: Fri, January 10, 2014 10:35 am To: Lots of sensationalism and information gaps in this report. None of the affected vessels in Pacific Mexico reported being "stormed" by "heavily armed military." It is a simple paperwork problem, magnified by some bureaucratic errors, that boils down to people misunderstanding their paperwork upon entry to Mexico; and either they or the Mexican Customs officials putting the wrong number in the box that asks for "Official Number." (Mexico wants a boat's hull ID number (HIN) in this box). The majority of affected vessels either never had a HIN (too old; home-built; etc.), or they had expired Temporary Import Permits (TIPs) that they had failed to renew. In the case of the catamaran Profligate, they had a TIP form that was valid 20 years ago but is not now the proper TIP to have. The change in federal officials at the higher decision making level is what escalated the paperwork problem to the point of temporarily impounding some vessels who couldn't produce good paper; but according to multiple posts in Yahoo's Southbound Group, most of the impounded vessels were able to straighten out their paperwork and get released from impound in a few days. So while FauxNews is running a story now about the Mexican Army "storming" US & Canadian boats, it ain't true. Mexico remains one of the easiest and most flexible countries to check into & out of. The TIP for your boat is good fo 10 years, and if you want to be truly careful with getting one, you can get it completed online before you even leave the US for Mexico: apply for their TIP at www.banjercito.com.mx, Marianne Smith and Gary Barnett s/v Gallant Fox North Lake Worth/West Palm Beach FL Then an actual victim: As one of the boats that has been impounded, I take exception to =some= of what you say. First 2 well armed military men did in fact accompany each team of "inspectors" down each dock. Second, a TIP is good until the day it expires. A 20-year TIP is good for 20 years and they had time left on theirs. However, the 20-year TIPs are no longer available and the current issue is for 10 years. Ours still has nearly 3 years left. Third, there is likely no misunderstanding on the part of the cruisers. Any misunderstanding is on the part of the Mexican government officials at some level. If in Ensenada, it is at the check in where they put down the wrong info or give wrong answers to cruiser's questions about their forms and first time cruisers believe the officials know what they are doing. If there is no HIN and they substitute whatever is there as identification without any concern to the consequences and saying it is not a problem they are encouraging a problem at a later time. Now. Here is what happened for us: I saw them coming down the docks and saw they were looking at paperwork. Before they got to the boat I went to get our papers. They did ==not== stop at the boat but continued on past. I figured they were doing some kind of a spot check and we did not have any problem. When they came back past, they again did not stop. At ==no== time did they yell the boat name ==nor== did they knock on the hull ==or== indicate in any way they wanted to check anything in regards to us. At no time did they make their presence known to me. I know this because I was there onboard our boat and could see and hear. Since they did ===not=== "inspect" our boat, it came as a bit of a shock to end up on their list. Another week or so later, another team came down to "inspect". Two members of this team did in fact come onboard. One member checked our physical TIP against the HIN and took a picture of the HIN with his smart phone. He read it off to another member of the team onboard who checked us off the (his copy) list and then read it off to yet another team member on the dock. The first team member said everything was okay and the Harbormaster who accompanied them said it was okay. We thought everything had been cleared up. As of this date, we are still on the list. NO ONE is being alowed to leave or if they do there is at least a threat of some consequences that might not be too nice since the port captain is NOT (as we have been told) issuing departure paperwork for those on the list. How long will this last? We haven't a clue. It could be cleared up today, this week, next week, or in the next few months. However, bottom line is ====WE WERE =NOT= INSPECTED DURING THAT INITIAL INSPECTION AND WE ARE ON THE LIST. WE WERE INSPECTED ON THE 2ND INSPECTION AND ALL WAS IN ORDER AND WE ARE STILL ON THE LIST.==== Has the AP story been a bit overblown? Yes. Still haven't seen the "Fauxnews" story but presume it is more of the same. But, if you haven't been here in our shoes at this time, don't presume to know that it is all the cruiser's fault or that it will all blow over, etc. We're still here and still on the list and we check frequently marina arbormaster and marina attorney to see what the status is. If you have DIRECT, FACTUAL information, please by all means post that IF it is new. Opinions, well, please keep them to yourself. There are enough of those to go around and then some. Rick S/V La Vita 1987 Hans Christian 33T http://www.la-vita.us/blog/ Currently: Lying La Cruz de Huanacaxtle, Nayarit, Mexico And, Ed: Anne and List, I have known Richard Spindler for quite a while now and think Anne did not read his account. His boat is there and involved. Plus he is in contact with many whose boats were wrongfully seized by folks who did not know much about boats or how to read HINs or details that were there. In many cases if you were not on your boat you were listed as in violation and no one knows how to get the boat back. Some of the raids were conducted during the middle of the night with machine gun armed agents coming aboard without warning... those folks were lucky. If you were off your boat you were worse off. According to a lot of reports, if you were not on your boat you are subject to it being listed as impounded and there is no way to get your boat back off the impounded list. Please read the Latitude 38 report of Richard, who supports the country and has been traveling in it for 20 years. Anne, did they impound a lot of legally registered cars because the owners were not in them while legally parked as well? What are you referring to? The link to the facts are at http://www.latitude38.com/lectronic/...8#.Us29BKEo6RI Ed, on Angel Louise, lying London St Katharine Docks And, another followup from Rick: Alicia, Thank you for your response. Thank you for your offer of assistance. As things stand as of this minute, as we understand them, calling someone on Monday MAY NOT be necessary. However, if you think it will help speed things along or could in some way keep it from happening in the future, perhaps it would not hurt to do so. You sound like you have some personal connections and that could possibly help. Now for what we hope is the GOOD news. We have today heard from a reliable source that some boats have been released or are being released from the impound. Apparently they MAY be being released marina by marina. So, if my source is correct and things continue as expected, this will all be over in the very near future. The entire matter has indeed been escolated so high that it is a matter that is now being spoken of country to country instead of within the government from official to official. Hopefully this will not have any lasting effect on Nautical Tourism or any other kind of tourism. However, that is not likely since there are those that only remember the bad parts and not the good. The good is that it is being resolved relatively quickly and there has been minimal interruption in plans and budget issues. The bad has been the unknown due to lack of communication to those directly involved (us), all the speculation by those online and not directly involved, The way it has apparently been blown out of perspective (hopefully) by the news organizations, the way the officials accomplished the initial "inspection", and the fact that it happened at all. We, personally, do our best to separate the actions of government officials from those of the people of Mexico as we do the government of any country from the citizens of those countries. Citizenry are all essentially the same and want the same things. Governments, despite their different points of view, are at least somewhat the same in their need for and striving for power. New governments and old governments seem to be some of the worst. I think it is a fact of life the world over. Unfortunately we sometimes find ourselves in the middle between the "knows" and the "know nothings". Such as it appears to be now. And so therefore, we do NOT think less of the Mexican people because of this. Our feelings about the new government on the other hand are still waiting to be solidified. Still neutral even after all of this. And, as new permanent residents of Mexico, it is important to us. Rick S/V La Vita 1987 Hans Christian 33T http://www.la-vita.us/blog/ Currently: Lying La Cruz de Huanacaxtle, Nayarit, Mexico L8R Skip -- Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery ! Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog I expect to pass this way but once; any good therefore that I can do, or any kindness that I can show to any fellow creature, let me do it now. Let me not defer or neglect it, for I shall not pass this way again. - Etienne Griellet "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... Big story, big fiasco, 338 boats so far. http://www.latitude38.com/lectronic/lectronicday.lasso?date=2014-01-08#.Us96MLRBGl9 |
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Cruising Boats Being Impounded by Mexican IRS
On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 12:18:46 -0500, "Flying Pig" wrote:
From the horse' mouth, including followup by our own Ed Kelly... First, a mouth-shooter: -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Cruisers_Network_Online] US, Canadian boaters left in limbo in Mexico From: Date: Fri, January 10, 2014 10:35 am To: snipped So while FauxNews is running a story now about the Mexican Army "storming" US & Canadian boats, it ain't true. Mexico remains one of the easiest and most flexible countries to check into & out of. The TIP for your boat is good fo 10 years, and if you want to be truly careful with getting one, you can get it completed online before you even leave the US for Mexico: apply for their TIP at www.banjercito.com.mx, Marianne Smith and Gary Barnett s/v Gallant Fox North Lake Worth/West Palm Beach FL snipped Has the AP story been a bit overblown? Yes. Still haven't seen the "Fauxnews" story but presume it is more of the same. But, if you haven't been here in our shoes at this time, don't presume to know that it is all the cruiser's fault or that it will all blow over, etc. We're still here and still on the list and we check frequently marina arbormaster and marina attorney to see what the status is. If you have DIRECT, FACTUAL information, please by all means post that IF it is new. Opinions, well, please keep them to yourself. There are enough of those to go around and then some. Rick S/V La Vita 1987 Hans Christian 33T http://www.la-vita.us/blog/ Currently: Lying La Cruz de Huanacaxtle, Nayarit, Mexico More snippage It's funny how some folks will immediately discount a story because it was on FOX News. Strange how they spelled 'FOX'. -- Hope you're having a spectacular day! |
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Cruising Boats Being Impounded by Mexican IRS
On 1/11/14, 2:27 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 12:18:46 -0500, "Flying Pig" wrote: From the horse' mouth, including followup by our own Ed Kelly... First, a mouth-shooter: -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Cruisers_Network_Online] US, Canadian boaters left in limbo in Mexico From: Date: Fri, January 10, 2014 10:35 am To: snipped So while FauxNews is running a story now about the Mexican Army "storming" US & Canadian boats, it ain't true. Mexico remains one of the easiest and most flexible countries to check into & out of. The TIP for your boat is good fo 10 years, and if you want to be truly careful with getting one, you can get it completed online before you even leave the US for Mexico: apply for their TIP at www.banjercito.com.mx, Marianne Smith and Gary Barnett s/v Gallant Fox North Lake Worth/West Palm Beach FL snipped Has the AP story been a bit overblown? Yes. Still haven't seen the "Fauxnews" story but presume it is more of the same. But, if you haven't been here in our shoes at this time, don't presume to know that it is all the cruiser's fault or that it will all blow over, etc. We're still here and still on the list and we check frequently marina arbormaster and marina attorney to see what the status is. If you have DIRECT, FACTUAL information, please by all means post that IF it is new. Opinions, well, please keep them to yourself. There are enough of those to go around and then some. Rick S/V La Vita 1987 Hans Christian 33T http://www.la-vita.us/blog/ Currently: Lying La Cruz de Huanacaxtle, Nayarit, Mexico More snippage It's funny how some folks will immediately discount a story because it was on FOX News. Strange how they spelled 'FOX'. -- Hope you're having a spectacular day! Now *that* is a funny comment. |
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