On 12/28/2013 4:20 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:

On 12/28/13, 4:15 PM, wrote:


Excellent PR by the Catholic Church. They even made a believer of you.


Indeed, I believe the new pope has the right idea about what he should
say and do and of course I admire his ability to really, truly, **** off
the conservative christians in name only. But, I'm afraid, the catholic
church and religion have no appeal for me.


You've made that abundantly clear over and over and over and over again.

There are many however to whom the Catholic Church and religion in
general are major parts of their lives. How they practice their faith
and how involved they are are personal decisions to which they are
entitled. You have no right to establish the "rules".

Why do you insist on jamming your non-interest in what is important to
them "down their throats"?

On 12/28/13, 5:09 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/28/2013 4:20 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:

On 12/28/13, 4:15 PM, wrote:


Excellent PR by the Catholic Church. They even made a believer of you.


Indeed, I believe the new pope has the right idea about what he should
say and do and of course I admire his ability to really, truly, **** off
the conservative christians in name only. But, I'm afraid, the catholic
church and religion have no appeal for me.


You've made that abundantly clear over and over and over and over again.

There are many however to whom the Catholic Church and religion in
general are major parts of their lives. How they practice their faith
and how involved they are are personal decisions to which they are
entitled. You have no right to establish the "rules".

Why do you insist on jamming your non-interest in what is important to
them "down their throats"?


I do have the right to do what I can to make sure "the religious" don't
shove or try to shove their beliefs down the throats of our
non-sectarian society. Why should they be allowed to do that?

I don't give a damn what the religious do or say in their churches or
homes in terms of forcing their smallmindedness on each other.

I will admit to giggling inside when several of the self-proclaimed
"christians" here make fun of minorities or the poor. I'm sure that's
what Jesus would want them to do, eh?

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/28/13, 5:09 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/28/2013 4:20 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:

On 12/28/13, 4:15 PM, wrote:


Excellent PR by the Catholic Church. They even made a believer of you.


Indeed, I believe the new pope has the right idea about what he should
say and do and of course I admire his ability to really, truly, **** off
the conservative christians in name only. But, I'm afraid, the catholic
church and religion have no appeal for me.


You've made that abundantly clear over and over and over and over again.

There are many however to whom the Catholic Church and religion in
general are major parts of their lives. How they practice their faith
and how involved they are are personal decisions to which they are
entitled. You have no right to establish the "rules".

Why do you insist on jamming your non-interest in what is important to
them "down their throats"?


I do have the right to do what I can to make sure "the religious" don't
shove or try to shove their beliefs down the throats of our non-sectarian
society. Why should they be allowed to do that?

I don't give a damn what the religious do or say in their churches or
homes in terms of forcing their smallmindedness on each other.

I will admit to giggling inside when several of the self-proclaimed
"christians" here make fun of minorities or the poor. I'm sure that's
what Jesus would want them to do, eh?


They have just as much right to jam it down your throat as you do to ram
your views down others throats.

On 12/28/13, 8:20 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/28/13, 5:09 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/28/2013 4:20 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:

On 12/28/13, 4:15 PM, wrote:


Excellent PR by the Catholic Church. They even made a believer of you.


Indeed, I believe the new pope has the right idea about what he should
say and do and of course I admire his ability to really, truly, **** off
the conservative christians in name only. But, I'm afraid, the catholic
church and religion have no appeal for me.


You've made that abundantly clear over and over and over and over again.

There are many however to whom the Catholic Church and religion in
general are major parts of their lives. How they practice their faith
and how involved they are are personal decisions to which they are
entitled. You have no right to establish the "rules".

Why do you insist on jamming your non-interest in what is important to
them "down their throats"?


I do have the right to do what I can to make sure "the religious" don't
shove or try to shove their beliefs down the throats of our non-sectarian
society. Why should they be allowed to do that?

I don't give a damn what the religious do or say in their churches or
homes in terms of forcing their smallmindedness on each other.

I will admit to giggling inside when several of the self-proclaimed
"christians" here make fun of minorities or the poor. I'm sure that's
what Jesus would want them to do, eh?


They have just as much right to jam it down your throat as you do to ram
your views down others throats.


Ah, but Bilious...I'm not doing anything to force abortions or gay
relationships on anyone, nor am I pushing a legislative agenda that does
any of this.

"The Religious" to whom I refer are doing their best legislatively to
push their anti-gay, anti-abortion agenda on those who do not subscribe
to their beliefs.

Even if I get my way in the legislature and abortions are kept readily
available on those who want one, I'm not forcing anyone to get one.

Got it?

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

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On 12/28/13, 8:20 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/28/13, 5:09 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/28/2013 4:20 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:

On 12/28/13, 4:15 PM, wrote:


Excellent PR by the Catholic Church. They even made a believer of you.


Indeed, I believe the new pope has the right idea about what he should
say and do and of course I admire his ability to really, truly, **** off
the conservative christians in name only. But, I'm afraid, the catholic
church and religion have no appeal for me.


You've made that abundantly clear over and over and over and over again.

There are many however to whom the Catholic Church and religion in
general are major parts of their lives. How they practice their faith
and how involved they are are personal decisions to which they are
entitled. You have no right to establish the "rules".

Why do you insist on jamming your non-interest in what is important to
them "down their throats"?


I do have the right to do what I can to make sure "the religious" don't
shove or try to shove their beliefs down the throats of our non-sectarian
society. Why should they be allowed to do that?

I don't give a damn what the religious do or say in their churches or
homes in terms of forcing their smallmindedness on each other.

I will admit to giggling inside when several of the self-proclaimed
"christians" here make fun of minorities or the poor. I'm sure that's
what Jesus would want them to do, eh?


They have just as much right to jam it down your throat as you do to ram
your views down others throats.


Ah, but Bilious...I'm not doing anything to force abortions or gay
relationships on anyone, nor am I pushing a legislative agenda that does
any of this.

You encourage them by your words, actions and deeds.

"The Religious" to whom I refer are doing their best legislatively to
push their anti-gay, anti-abortion agenda on those who do not subscribe
to their beliefs.

Why are you afraid of legislation? Isn't Roe v. Wade the law of the land? Or, is it just the
law of the land until the people get sick of it an have it overturned?

Even if I get my way in the legislature and abortions are kept readily
available on those who want one, I'm not forcing anyone to get one.

Yes you are.

Got it?

I really like it when someone says "got it" it means that they are ****ed that someone is
questionion them and that they are not really wedded to their views.

"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/28/13, 8:20 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/28/13, 5:09 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/28/2013 4:20 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:

On 12/28/13, 4:15 PM, wrote:


Excellent PR by the Catholic Church. They even made a believer of you.


Indeed, I believe the new pope has the right idea about what he should
say and do and of course I admire his ability to really, truly, **** off
the conservative christians in name only. But, I'm afraid, the catholic
church and religion have no appeal for me.


You've made that abundantly clear over and over and over and over again.

There are many however to whom the Catholic Church and religion in
general are major parts of their lives. How they practice their faith
and how involved they are are personal decisions to which they are
entitled. You have no right to establish the "rules".

Why do you insist on jamming your non-interest in what is important to
them "down their throats"?


I do have the right to do what I can to make sure "the religious" don't
shove or try to shove their beliefs down the throats of our non-sectarian
society. Why should they be allowed to do that?

I don't give a damn what the religious do or say in their churches or
homes in terms of forcing their smallmindedness on each other.

I will admit to giggling inside when several of the self-proclaimed
"christians" here make fun of minorities or the poor. I'm sure that's
what Jesus would want them to do, eh?


They have just as much right to jam it down your throat as you do to ram
your views down others throats.


Ah, but Bilious...I'm not doing anything to force abortions or gay
relationships on anyone, nor am I pushing a legislative agenda that does any of this.

"The Religious" to whom I refer are doing their best legislatively to
push their anti-gay, anti-abortion agenda on those who do not subscribe to their beliefs.

Even if I get my way in the legislature and abortions are kept readily
available on those who want one, I'm not forcing anyone to get one.

Got it?


Got it that you are forcing your beliefs on others! Maybe those others
think that even if abortions are legal, they should not have pay for them!

On 12/29/13, 12:15 AM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/28/13, 8:20 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/28/13, 5:09 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/28/2013 4:20 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:

On 12/28/13, 4:15 PM, wrote:


Excellent PR by the Catholic Church. They even made a believer of you.


Indeed, I believe the new pope has the right idea about what he should
say and do and of course I admire his ability to really, truly, **** off
the conservative christians in name only. But, I'm afraid, the catholic
church and religion have no appeal for me.


You've made that abundantly clear over and over and over and over again.

There are many however to whom the Catholic Church and religion in
general are major parts of their lives. How they practice their faith
and how involved they are are personal decisions to which they are
entitled. You have no right to establish the "rules".

Why do you insist on jamming your non-interest in what is important to
them "down their throats"?


I do have the right to do what I can to make sure "the religious" don't
shove or try to shove their beliefs down the throats of our non-sectarian
society. Why should they be allowed to do that?

I don't give a damn what the religious do or say in their churches or
homes in terms of forcing their smallmindedness on each other.

I will admit to giggling inside when several of the self-proclaimed
"christians" here make fun of minorities or the poor. I'm sure that's
what Jesus would want them to do, eh?


They have just as much right to jam it down your throat as you do to ram
your views down others throats.


Ah, but Bilious...I'm not doing anything to force abortions or gay
relationships on anyone, nor am I pushing a legislative agenda that does any of this.

"The Religious" to whom I refer are doing their best legislatively to
push their anti-gay, anti-abortion agenda on those who do not subscribe to their beliefs.

Even if I get my way in the legislature and abortions are kept readily
available on those who want one, I'm not forcing anyone to get one.

Got it?


Got it that you are forcing your beliefs on others! Maybe those others
think that even if abortions are legal, they should not have pay for them!


You mean through private health insurance? Well, the regressive
governors and legislatures in some states have taken care of that for
the pushy religious. Seems reasonable that if I don't want my insurance
premiums to pay for cancer treatments for smokers, why, smokers should
be S.O.L. when they need surgery or chemo or whatever, right? Right?

D'oh.

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/29/13, 12:15 AM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/28/13, 8:20 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/28/13, 5:09 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/28/2013 4:20 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:

On 12/28/13, 4:15 PM, wrote:


Excellent PR by the Catholic Church. They even made a believer of you.


Indeed, I believe the new pope has the right idea about what he should
say and do and of course I admire his ability to really, truly, **** off
the conservative christians in name only. But, I'm afraid, the catholic
church and religion have no appeal for me.


You've made that abundantly clear over and over and over and over again.

There are many however to whom the Catholic Church and religion in
general are major parts of their lives. How they practice their faith
and how involved they are are personal decisions to which they are
entitled. You have no right to establish the "rules".

Why do you insist on jamming your non-interest in what is important to
them "down their throats"?


I do have the right to do what I can to make sure "the religious" don't
shove or try to shove their beliefs down the throats of our non-sectarian
society. Why should they be allowed to do that?

I don't give a damn what the religious do or say in their churches or
homes in terms of forcing their smallmindedness on each other.

I will admit to giggling inside when several of the self-proclaimed
"christians" here make fun of minorities or the poor. I'm sure that's
what Jesus would want them to do, eh?


They have just as much right to jam it down your throat as you do to ram
your views down others throats.


Ah, but Bilious...I'm not doing anything to force abortions or gay
relationships on anyone, nor am I pushing a legislative agenda that does any of this.

"The Religious" to whom I refer are doing their best legislatively to
push their anti-gay, anti-abortion agenda on those who do not subscribe to their beliefs.

Even if I get my way in the legislature and abortions are kept readily
available on those who want one, I'm not forcing anyone to get one.

Got it?


Got it that you are forcing your beliefs on others! Maybe those others
think that even if abortions are legal, they should not have pay for them!


You mean through private health insurance? Well, the regressive governors
and legislatures in some states have taken care of that for the pushy
religious. Seems reasonable that if I don't want my insurance premiums to
pay for cancer treatments for smokers, why, smokers should be S.O.L. when
they need surgery or chemo or whatever, right? Right?

D'oh.


Hell, smokers cost us less than most groups lifetime cost. They die
earlier, and do not linger for years as an octogenarian. And they pay a
lot of money via sin taxes to provide for their care. Abortion and
pregnancy is a lot different than cancer, and diseases.

On 12/29/13, 12:44 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 29 Dec 2013 07:25:56 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



You mean through private health insurance? Well, the regressive
governors and legislatures in some states have taken care of that for
the pushy religious. Seems reasonable that if I don't want my insurance
premiums to pay for cancer treatments for smokers, why, smokers should
be S.O.L. when they need surgery or chemo or whatever, right? Right?

D'oh.

So you would also deny treatment of gallstones, type 2 diabetes, high
blood pressure, high cholesterol and triglycerides, coronary artery
disease (CAD), a stroke, and sleep apnea for fat people?

Nobody held them down and shoved that pie in their mouth.



I was being sarcastic, Gregg-ster. You didn't see the "right. Right?" I
would hope you would have realized that.

No, I wouldn't deny coverage for anything on your little list, nor would
I deny coverage for abortion. And of course, I also wouldn't allow
anyone to exclude themselves from getting coverage. Universal health
care coverage for *all* and if we have to pay for it by selling a few
aircraft carriers or nuclear submarines or F35s, so be it.


--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

On Sunday, December 29, 2013 12:44:59 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sun, 29 Dec 2013 07:25:56 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:







You mean through private health insurance? Well, the regressive

governors and legislatures in some states have taken care of that for

the pushy religious. Seems reasonable that if I don't want my insurance

premiums to pay for cancer treatments for smokers, why, smokers should

be S.O.L. when they need surgery or chemo or whatever, right? Right?



D'oh.



So you would also deny treatment of gallstones, type 2 diabetes, high

blood pressure, high cholesterol and triglycerides, coronary artery

disease (CAD), a stroke, and sleep apnea for fat people?



Nobody held them down and shoved that pie in their mouth.

You forget that Krause is a fat ass......