On 12/26/2013 12:25 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 25 Dec 2013 23:33:35 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

As you suggested, there are areas in central Florida that I liked (Ocala
and northward) because they are very similar to New England in terms of
topography. But, I would really like to be near the ocean and have
another boat, so that's where we stand in our "negotiations". :-)

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There's some very decent horse country in and around Ft Myers, and it
is also close to some very good boating. Summers are not a walk in
the park but are bearable. Congestion is not even remotely close to
what you see on the east coast.

Let me know if I can be of any assistance.


Got any tips for my "negotiations"? So far they have seemed to stall.
(horse reference) :-)

On Thu, 26 Dec 2013 00:38:21 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/26/2013 12:25 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 25 Dec 2013 23:33:35 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

As you suggested, there are areas in central Florida that I liked (Ocala
and northward) because they are very similar to New England in terms of
topography. But, I would really like to be near the ocean and have
another boat, so that's where we stand in our "negotiations". :-)

======

There's some very decent horse country in and around Ft Myers, and it
is also close to some very good boating. Summers are not a walk in
the park but are bearable. Congestion is not even remotely close to
what you see on the east coast.

Let me know if I can be of any assistance.


Got any tips for my "negotiations"? So far they have seemed to stall.
(horse reference) :-)

===

Negotiations? Wait for a really cold, windy blizzard and ask Mrs E
where she would rather be at age 80. It worked for me. :-)

Keeping the horses in a stall all winter has got to be bad for their
psyche. I'd think that the idea of being able to ride 12 months a
year would have some appeal.

On 12/26/2013 3:05 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 26 Dec 2013 00:38:21 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/26/2013 12:25 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 25 Dec 2013 23:33:35 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

As you suggested, there are areas in central Florida that I liked (Ocala
and northward) because they are very similar to New England in terms of
topography. But, I would really like to be near the ocean and have
another boat, so that's where we stand in our "negotiations". :-)

======

There's some very decent horse country in and around Ft Myers, and it
is also close to some very good boating. Summers are not a walk in
the park but are bearable. Congestion is not even remotely close to
what you see on the east coast.

Let me know if I can be of any assistance.


Got any tips for my "negotiations"? So far they have seemed to stall.
(horse reference) :-)

===

Negotiations? Wait for a really cold, windy blizzard and ask Mrs E
where she would rather be at age 80. It worked for me. :-)

Keeping the horses in a stall all winter has got to be bad for their
psyche. I'd think that the idea of being able to ride 12 months a
year would have some appeal.


Our horses are outside 12 mos a year, and they get ridden 12 mos. too...
You could ask her where she would rather ride in December though...
that's legit... Florida wins every time.

On 12/26/2013 3:05 PM, Wayne.B wrote:


Keeping the horses in a stall all winter has got to be bad for their
psyche.

Absolutely... They need the security of being able to see the horizon or
the tree line anyway, a place to run to, and leaders/followers...

Our horse has another partner that she bosses around but they are
buddies. When we had to remove our horse from the herd a week or so ago
the other horse just stood at the gate all the time looking for her. The
other horse escaped and went straight to our horse, even though our
horse "beats her up" as it were... The horsed need herds, it's natural
for them, makes them nice horses...

On 12/26/2013 5:41 PM, KC wrote:
On 12/26/2013 3:05 PM, Wayne.B wrote:


Keeping the horses in a stall all winter has got to be bad for their
psyche.

Absolutely... They need the security of being able to see the horizon or
the tree line anyway, a place to run to, and leaders/followers...

Our horse has another partner that she bosses around but they are
buddies. When we had to remove our horse from the herd a week or so ago
the other horse just stood at the gate all the time looking for her. The
other horse escaped and went straight to our horse, even though our
horse "beats her up" as it were... The horsed need herds, it's natural
for them, makes them nice horses...



I am not an authority on horses but I've been around them and people who
own and care for them for quite a while. I've listened to many opinions
and heard different of schools of thought regarding what horses "need".
Up here in the north there are more horses kept in stalls in barns
than are left outside all year. In Florida we had a shelter with
stalls. In both cases, the horses are "turned out" for most of the day
in a paddock when they are not being ridden or trained. During the
winter months my wife's horses go out for about half a day unless it's
raining or snowing heavily. After a few hours both of them want to go
back to their stalls during the winter months because the "busy" work of
grazing on nice green grass isn't available. They are very comfortable
and content in the stalls and it's the place where they get their REM
sleep (laying down).

Anyway, from what I've picked up about them, it's important that they
have at least one companion to keep with the herd mentality, but they
don't have to be in a huge group. Some are very content having a goat
or donkey as a "companion".

Everyone has their ideas of what horses need and like. For the most
part all the beliefs seem to work out fine and the horses live to be a
ripe old age.

Dammit.

On Thursday, 26 December 2013 19:16:12 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/26/2013 5:41 PM, KC wrote:

On 12/26/2013 3:05 PM, Wayne.B wrote:





Keeping the horses in a stall all winter has got to be bad for their

psyche.



Absolutely... They need the security of being able to see the horizon or

the tree line anyway, a place to run to, and leaders/followers...



Our horse has another partner that she bosses around but they are

buddies. When we had to remove our horse from the herd a week or so ago

the other horse just stood at the gate all the time looking for her. The

other horse escaped and went straight to our horse, even though our

horse "beats her up" as it were... The horsed need herds, it's natural

for them, makes them nice horses...







I am not an authority on horses but I've been around them and people who

own and care for them for quite a while. I've listened to many opinions

and heard different of schools of thought regarding what horses "need".

Up here in the north there are more horses kept in stalls in barns

than are left outside all year. In Florida we had a shelter with

stalls. In both cases, the horses are "turned out" for most of the day

in a paddock when they are not being ridden or trained. During the

winter months my wife's horses go out for about half a day unless it's

raining or snowing heavily. After a few hours both of them want to go

back to their stalls during the winter months because the "busy" work of

grazing on nice green grass isn't available. They are very comfortable

and content in the stalls and it's the place where they get their REM

sleep (laying down).



Anyway, from what I've picked up about them, it's important that they

have at least one companion to keep with the herd mentality, but they

don't have to be in a huge group. Some are very content having a goat

or donkey as a "companion".



Everyone has their ideas of what horses need and like. For the most

part all the beliefs seem to work out fine and the horses live to be a

ripe old age.



Dammit.


If you want to move south bad enough, you'll just have to come up with a plan to accommodate the horses.
It would be pretty tough for Mrs. E to abandon then at this stage... especially after the family losses.

On 12/26/2013 7:11 PM, True North wrote:
On Thursday, 26 December 2013 19:16:12 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/26/2013 5:41 PM, KC wrote:

On 12/26/2013 3:05 PM, Wayne.B wrote:





Keeping the horses in a stall all winter has got to be bad for their

psyche.



Absolutely... They need the security of being able to see the horizon or

the tree line anyway, a place to run to, and leaders/followers...



Our horse has another partner that she bosses around but they are

buddies. When we had to remove our horse from the herd a week or so ago

the other horse just stood at the gate all the time looking for her. The

other horse escaped and went straight to our horse, even though our

horse "beats her up" as it were... The horsed need herds, it's natural

for them, makes them nice horses...







I am not an authority on horses but I've been around them and people who

own and care for them for quite a while. I've listened to many opinions

and heard different of schools of thought regarding what horses "need".

Up here in the north there are more horses kept in stalls in barns

than are left outside all year. In Florida we had a shelter with

stalls. In both cases, the horses are "turned out" for most of the day

in a paddock when they are not being ridden or trained. During the

winter months my wife's horses go out for about half a day unless it's

raining or snowing heavily. After a few hours both of them want to go

back to their stalls during the winter months because the "busy" work of

grazing on nice green grass isn't available. They are very comfortable

and content in the stalls and it's the place where they get their REM

sleep (laying down).



Anyway, from what I've picked up about them, it's important that they

have at least one companion to keep with the herd mentality, but they

don't have to be in a huge group. Some are very content having a goat

or donkey as a "companion".



Everyone has their ideas of what horses need and like. For the most

part all the beliefs seem to work out fine and the horses live to be a

ripe old age.



Dammit.


If you want to move south bad enough, you'll just have to come up with a plan to accommodate the horses.
It would be pretty tough for Mrs. E to abandon then at this stage... especially after the family losses.


Everytime we start discussing a possible move we end up realizing that
for now, where we are is perfect.

She is very emotionally attached to the horses. Big pets, much like her
dogs. It's easy to relocate with dogs and cats. Not quite so easy with
two or three 1,200 lb. "pets".