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On 12/17/2013 7:29 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 07:19:15 -0500, KC wrote: On 12/17/2013 3:27 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/17/2013 12:03 AM, KC wrote: On 12/16/2013 6:27 PM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 12:55:31 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 08:40:50 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Deliberate acts of violence are not common in baseball or basketball or soccer (at least not by the players) Bull****. They are looking at a "collision" rule in baseball as we speak. Basketball has become very "physical" and soccer injuries among young players hurt more kids than football. You're speaking to a guy who hasn't watched sports in decades. He sure as hell hasn't watched basketball, which I believe is as dangerous as football. An elbow to the head in football isn't going to do much, but it's extremely common in basketball. And, it's hard for the refs to catch. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Way more injuries in football... legs, fingers, arms, teeth, turf toe even.... The discussion was about causing *intentional* injuries to another player. Still say more in football.... "intentional" as it's way easier to hide a good hit in football than basketball... Well, the point is that they're both dangerous as far as intentional hits are concerned. Harry's comment that basketball and baseball don't have the intentional injury problem is bull****. But, that's OK. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Oh, you were talking about krause? Of course it's bull****... you really gotta' filter that guy ![]() |
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On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 07:48:37 -0500, KC wrote:
On 12/17/2013 7:29 AM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 07:19:15 -0500, KC wrote: On 12/17/2013 3:27 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/17/2013 12:03 AM, KC wrote: On 12/16/2013 6:27 PM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 12:55:31 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 08:40:50 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Deliberate acts of violence are not common in baseball or basketball or soccer (at least not by the players) Bull****. They are looking at a "collision" rule in baseball as we speak. Basketball has become very "physical" and soccer injuries among young players hurt more kids than football. You're speaking to a guy who hasn't watched sports in decades. He sure as hell hasn't watched basketball, which I believe is as dangerous as football. An elbow to the head in football isn't going to do much, but it's extremely common in basketball. And, it's hard for the refs to catch. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Way more injuries in football... legs, fingers, arms, teeth, turf toe even.... The discussion was about causing *intentional* injuries to another player. Still say more in football.... "intentional" as it's way easier to hide a good hit in football than basketball... Well, the point is that they're both dangerous as far as intentional hits are concerned. Harry's comment that basketball and baseball don't have the intentional injury problem is bull****. But, that's OK. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Oh, you were talking about krause? Of course it's bull****... you really gotta' filter that guy ![]() His comment was about 3" above yours. " Deliberate acts of violence are not common in baseball or basketball or soccer (at least not by the players)." John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
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On 12/17/2013 12:01 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 11:08:58 -0500, KC wrote: On 12/17/2013 10:50 AM, wrote: On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 07:54:58 -0500, John H. wrote: His comment was about 3" above yours. " Deliberate acts of violence are not common in baseball or basketball or soccer (at least not by the players)." You don't get much more deliberate than that crash at home plate. The whole intent is to hit the catcher hard enough to make him drop the ball. The catcher does wear protective gear but it really just protects him from a pitched ball, not a 250 pound, roided up player, coming in at 30 feet per second. Yeah, but every hit in football is designed to make someone drop the ball or get hurt... every single one. Every time a guy blocks on the line, he tries to shove a thumb in an eye, or an elbow to the kidney, twist a leg while in the pile, etc..... Your pads don't help much when you are in a pile and someone grabs your leg and tries to twist it off while getting up... Granted, in baseball there is some contact, what, three times a game? In football there are probably 40 hits, each and every play, designed to hurt the other guy and put him out of the game... I honestly don't believe that. Some fraction of the players intend to hurt someone, but I believe most players intend to do their job - protect the quarterback, rush the quarterback, run the ball, tackle the ball carrier, catch the ball, stop the catch, etc., etc. Sorry, we're going to have to disagree on that one. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Agreed. Football is a rough sport but I think the majority of the players have a certain degree of respect for each other and are not out to *intentionally* cause injuries. It could just as easily happen to them. (Paybacks are a bitch). There are a few who are out to maim but they are in the minority. This bull**** about "every" play includes a thumb in the eye, an elbow to the kidney or trying to twist a leg off while getting up from a play is just that .... bull****. |
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On 12/17/13, 12:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/17/2013 12:01 PM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 11:08:58 -0500, KC wrote: On 12/17/2013 10:50 AM, wrote: On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 07:54:58 -0500, John H. wrote: His comment was about 3" above yours. " Deliberate acts of violence are not common in baseball or basketball or soccer (at least not by the players)." You don't get much more deliberate than that crash at home plate. The whole intent is to hit the catcher hard enough to make him drop the ball. The catcher does wear protective gear but it really just protects him from a pitched ball, not a 250 pound, roided up player, coming in at 30 feet per second. Yeah, but every hit in football is designed to make someone drop the ball or get hurt... every single one. Every time a guy blocks on the line, he tries to shove a thumb in an eye, or an elbow to the kidney, twist a leg while in the pile, etc..... Your pads don't help much when you are in a pile and someone grabs your leg and tries to twist it off while getting up... Granted, in baseball there is some contact, what, three times a game? In football there are probably 40 hits, each and every play, designed to hurt the other guy and put him out of the game... I honestly don't believe that. Some fraction of the players intend to hurt someone, but I believe most players intend to do their job - protect the quarterback, rush the quarterback, run the ball, tackle the ball carrier, catch the ball, stop the catch, etc., etc. Sorry, we're going to have to disagree on that one. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Agreed. Football is a rough sport but I think the majority of the players have a certain degree of respect for each other and are not out to *intentionally* cause injuries. It could just as easily happen to them. (Paybacks are a bitch). There are a few who are out to maim but they are in the minority. This bull**** about "every" play includes a thumb in the eye, an elbow to the kidney or trying to twist a leg off while getting up from a play is just that .... bull****. Gotta love rec.boats. How many NFL coaches are involved in the same game as defensive coordinator Gregg Williams was? You remember Williams, right? An NFL investigation showed that NO Saints defensive players were being paid $1500 for taking an opposing player out of a game. The NFL claimed that at the time of the 2009 playoff game between New Orleans and Minnesota, Saints captain Jonathan Vilma had a $10,000 reward for any player who hit Brett Favre hard enough so he had to leave the game. Your NFL heroes play dirty and take steroids, and it wouldn't be surprising to learn that a good number of them play footsie with professional gamblers. -- Religion: together we can find the cure. |
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On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 12:34:10 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/17/13, 12:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/17/2013 12:01 PM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 11:08:58 -0500, KC wrote: On 12/17/2013 10:50 AM, wrote: On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 07:54:58 -0500, John H. wrote: His comment was about 3" above yours. " Deliberate acts of violence are not common in baseball or basketball or soccer (at least not by the players)." You don't get much more deliberate than that crash at home plate. The whole intent is to hit the catcher hard enough to make him drop the ball. The catcher does wear protective gear but it really just protects him from a pitched ball, not a 250 pound, roided up player, coming in at 30 feet per second. Yeah, but every hit in football is designed to make someone drop the ball or get hurt... every single one. Every time a guy blocks on the line, he tries to shove a thumb in an eye, or an elbow to the kidney, twist a leg while in the pile, etc..... Your pads don't help much when you are in a pile and someone grabs your leg and tries to twist it off while getting up... Granted, in baseball there is some contact, what, three times a game? In football there are probably 40 hits, each and every play, designed to hurt the other guy and put him out of the game... I honestly don't believe that. Some fraction of the players intend to hurt someone, but I believe most players intend to do their job - protect the quarterback, rush the quarterback, run the ball, tackle the ball carrier, catch the ball, stop the catch, etc., etc. Sorry, we're going to have to disagree on that one. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Agreed. Football is a rough sport but I think the majority of the players have a certain degree of respect for each other and are not out to *intentionally* cause injuries. It could just as easily happen to them. (Paybacks are a bitch). There are a few who are out to maim but they are in the minority. This bull**** about "every" play includes a thumb in the eye, an elbow to the kidney or trying to twist a leg off while getting up from a play is just that .... bull****. Gotta love rec.boats. How many NFL coaches are involved in the same game as defensive coordinator Gregg Williams was? You remember Williams, right? An NFL investigation showed that NO Saints defensive players were being paid $1500 for taking an opposing player out of a game. The NFL claimed that at the time of the 2009 playoff game between New Orleans and Minnesota, Saints captain Jonathan Vilma had a $10,000 reward for any player who hit Brett Favre hard enough so he had to leave the game. Your NFL heroes play dirty and take steroids, and it wouldn't be surprising to learn that a good number of them play footsie with professional gamblers. Donnie sees 'private parts' in chestnuts, you see 'NFL heroes' in 'degree of respect'?? What the hell are you drinking? John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
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On 12/17/2013 12:34 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/17/13, 12:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/17/2013 12:01 PM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 11:08:58 -0500, KC wrote: On 12/17/2013 10:50 AM, wrote: On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 07:54:58 -0500, John H. wrote: His comment was about 3" above yours. " Deliberate acts of violence are not common in baseball or basketball or soccer (at least not by the players)." You don't get much more deliberate than that crash at home plate. The whole intent is to hit the catcher hard enough to make him drop the ball. The catcher does wear protective gear but it really just protects him from a pitched ball, not a 250 pound, roided up player, coming in at 30 feet per second. Yeah, but every hit in football is designed to make someone drop the ball or get hurt... every single one. Every time a guy blocks on the line, he tries to shove a thumb in an eye, or an elbow to the kidney, twist a leg while in the pile, etc..... Your pads don't help much when you are in a pile and someone grabs your leg and tries to twist it off while getting up... Granted, in baseball there is some contact, what, three times a game? In football there are probably 40 hits, each and every play, designed to hurt the other guy and put him out of the game... I honestly don't believe that. Some fraction of the players intend to hurt someone, but I believe most players intend to do their job - protect the quarterback, rush the quarterback, run the ball, tackle the ball carrier, catch the ball, stop the catch, etc., etc. Sorry, we're going to have to disagree on that one. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Agreed. Football is a rough sport but I think the majority of the players have a certain degree of respect for each other and are not out to *intentionally* cause injuries. It could just as easily happen to them. (Paybacks are a bitch). There are a few who are out to maim but they are in the minority. This bull**** about "every" play includes a thumb in the eye, an elbow to the kidney or trying to twist a leg off while getting up from a play is just that .... bull****. Gotta love rec.boats. How many NFL coaches are involved in the same game as defensive coordinator Gregg Williams was? You remember Williams, right? An NFL investigation showed that NO Saints defensive players were being paid $1500 for taking an opposing player out of a game. The NFL claimed that at the time of the 2009 playoff game between New Orleans and Minnesota, Saints captain Jonathan Vilma had a $10,000 reward for any player who hit Brett Favre hard enough so he had to leave the game. Your NFL heroes play dirty and take steroids, and it wouldn't be surprising to learn that a good number of them play footsie with professional gamblers. Harry, there are over 1,700 active players in the NFL. How many do you think are offered or accept bonuses to "take out" an opposing player? Are there isolated cases of criminal like behavior? Yes, just like in any business. Is it representative of the whole league? No way. Just because you don't enjoy football or much of any popular sports doesn't mean it's all bad. Just like all big businesses aren't bad. You sure have a negative view on anything that doesn't appeal to you. |
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On 12/17/2013 12:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/17/2013 12:01 PM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 11:08:58 -0500, KC wrote: On 12/17/2013 10:50 AM, wrote: On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 07:54:58 -0500, John H. wrote: His comment was about 3" above yours. " Deliberate acts of violence are not common in baseball or basketball or soccer (at least not by the players)." You don't get much more deliberate than that crash at home plate. The whole intent is to hit the catcher hard enough to make him drop the ball. The catcher does wear protective gear but it really just protects him from a pitched ball, not a 250 pound, roided up player, coming in at 30 feet per second. Yeah, but every hit in football is designed to make someone drop the ball or get hurt... every single one. Every time a guy blocks on the line, he tries to shove a thumb in an eye, or an elbow to the kidney, twist a leg while in the pile, etc..... Your pads don't help much when you are in a pile and someone grabs your leg and tries to twist it off while getting up... Granted, in baseball there is some contact, what, three times a game? In football there are probably 40 hits, each and every play, designed to hurt the other guy and put him out of the game... I honestly don't believe that. Some fraction of the players intend to hurt someone, but I believe most players intend to do their job - protect the quarterback, rush the quarterback, run the ball, tackle the ball carrier, catch the ball, stop the catch, etc., etc. Sorry, we're going to have to disagree on that one. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Agreed. Football is a rough sport but I think the majority of the players have a certain degree of respect for each other and are not out to *intentionally* cause injuries. It could just as easily happen to them. (Paybacks are a bitch). There are a few who are out to maim but they are in the minority. This bull**** about "every" play includes a thumb in the eye, an elbow to the kidney or trying to twist a leg off while getting up from a play is just that .... bull****. Well, aren't you the expert..... again..... snerk. |
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On 12/17/2013 1:20 PM, KC wrote:
On 12/17/2013 12:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/17/2013 12:01 PM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 11:08:58 -0500, KC wrote: On 12/17/2013 10:50 AM, wrote: On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 07:54:58 -0500, John H. wrote: His comment was about 3" above yours. " Deliberate acts of violence are not common in baseball or basketball or soccer (at least not by the players)." You don't get much more deliberate than that crash at home plate. The whole intent is to hit the catcher hard enough to make him drop the ball. The catcher does wear protective gear but it really just protects him from a pitched ball, not a 250 pound, roided up player, coming in at 30 feet per second. Yeah, but every hit in football is designed to make someone drop the ball or get hurt... every single one. Every time a guy blocks on the line, he tries to shove a thumb in an eye, or an elbow to the kidney, twist a leg while in the pile, etc..... Your pads don't help much when you are in a pile and someone grabs your leg and tries to twist it off while getting up... Granted, in baseball there is some contact, what, three times a game? In football there are probably 40 hits, each and every play, designed to hurt the other guy and put him out of the game... I honestly don't believe that. Some fraction of the players intend to hurt someone, but I believe most players intend to do their job - protect the quarterback, rush the quarterback, run the ball, tackle the ball carrier, catch the ball, stop the catch, etc., etc. Sorry, we're going to have to disagree on that one. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Agreed. Football is a rough sport but I think the majority of the players have a certain degree of respect for each other and are not out to *intentionally* cause injuries. It could just as easily happen to them. (Paybacks are a bitch). There are a few who are out to maim but they are in the minority. This bull**** about "every" play includes a thumb in the eye, an elbow to the kidney or trying to twist a leg off while getting up from a play is just that .... bull****. Well, aren't you the expert..... again..... snerk. My non-expert view makes a hell of a lot more sense than your comment: "Every time a guy blocks on the line, he tries to shove a thumb in an eye, or an elbow to the kidney, twist a leg while in the pile, etc....." Snerk yourself. |
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