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John H.[_5_] December 17th 13 09:55 PM

WalMart to Offer Its Employees Payday Loans
 
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 14:11:25 -0500, KC wrote:

On 12/17/2013 2:03 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 13:20:16 -0500, KC wrote:

On 12/17/2013 12:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/17/2013 12:01 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 11:08:58 -0500, KC wrote:

On 12/17/2013 10:50 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 07:54:58 -0500, John H.
wrote:


His comment was about 3" above yours. " Deliberate acts of violence
are not common in baseball or
basketball or soccer (at least not by the players)."

You don't get much more deliberate than that crash at home plate. The
whole intent is to hit the catcher hard enough to make him drop the
ball. The catcher does wear protective gear but it really just
protects him from a pitched ball, not a 250 pound, roided up player,
coming in at 30 feet per second.


Yeah, but every hit in football is designed to make someone drop the
ball or get hurt... every single one. Every time a guy blocks on the
line, he tries to shove a thumb in an eye, or an elbow to the kidney,
twist a leg while in the pile, etc..... Your pads don't help much when
you are in a pile and someone grabs your leg and tries to twist it off
while getting up... Granted, in baseball there is some contact, what,
three times a game? In football there are probably 40 hits, each and
every play, designed to hurt the other guy and put him out of the
game...

I honestly don't believe that. Some fraction of the players intend to
hurt someone, but I believe
most players intend to do their job - protect the quarterback, rush
the quarterback, run the ball,
tackle the ball carrier, catch the ball, stop the catch, etc., etc.

Sorry, we're going to have to disagree on that one.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!



Agreed. Football is a rough sport but I think the majority of the
players have a certain degree of respect for each other and are not out
to *intentionally* cause injuries. It could just as easily happen to
them. (Paybacks are a bitch).

There are a few who are out to maim but they are in the minority.
This bull**** about "every" play includes a thumb in the eye, an elbow
to the kidney or trying to twist a leg off while getting up from a play
is just that .... bull****.



Well, aren't you the expert..... again..... snerk.


Now you're sounding like Donnie. Uncalled for.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!



Well, it's a comment on the way he summarily dismisses almost anything I
say. Something has changed in him in the last year, when he stops acting
like harry, I will stop dismissing him like harry...


We were talking about one specific thing, the inflicting of intentional injuries in football, not
'almost anything you say'. You said, "In football there are probably 40 hits, each and
every play, designed to hurt the other guy and put him out of the game..." To get 40 hits per play,
given there are 22 people on the field, and one hit takes two or more people, would mean that each
player hits another three or four times per play, *and* each hit is designed to *hurt* the other guy
- not block, not catch, not pass block, not throw, not tackle, but *hurt*.

Well, I think that's bull**** also.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!



F.O.A.D. December 17th 13 09:58 PM

WalMart to Offer Its Employees Payday Loans
 
On 12/17/13, 2:11 PM, KC wrote:
On 12/17/2013 2:03 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 13:20:16 -0500, KC wrote:

On 12/17/2013 12:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/17/2013 12:01 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 11:08:58 -0500, KC wrote:

On 12/17/2013 10:50 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 07:54:58 -0500, John H.
wrote:


His comment was about 3" above yours. " Deliberate acts of violence
are not common in baseball or
basketball or soccer (at least not by the players)."

You don't get much more deliberate than that crash at home plate.
The
whole intent is to hit the catcher hard enough to make him drop the
ball. The catcher does wear protective gear but it really just
protects him from a pitched ball, not a 250 pound, roided up player,
coming in at 30 feet per second.


Yeah, but every hit in football is designed to make someone drop the
ball or get hurt... every single one. Every time a guy blocks on the
line, he tries to shove a thumb in an eye, or an elbow to the kidney,
twist a leg while in the pile, etc..... Your pads don't help much
when
you are in a pile and someone grabs your leg and tries to twist it
off
while getting up... Granted, in baseball there is some contact, what,
three times a game? In football there are probably 40 hits, each and
every play, designed to hurt the other guy and put him out of the
game...

I honestly don't believe that. Some fraction of the players intend to
hurt someone, but I believe
most players intend to do their job - protect the quarterback, rush
the quarterback, run the ball,
tackle the ball carrier, catch the ball, stop the catch, etc., etc.

Sorry, we're going to have to disagree on that one.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!



Agreed. Football is a rough sport but I think the majority of the
players have a certain degree of respect for each other and are not out
to *intentionally* cause injuries. It could just as easily happen to
them. (Paybacks are a bitch).

There are a few who are out to maim but they are in the minority.
This bull**** about "every" play includes a thumb in the eye, an elbow
to the kidney or trying to twist a leg off while getting up from a play
is just that .... bull****.



Well, aren't you the expert..... again..... snerk.


Now you're sounding like Donnie. Uncalled for.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!



Well, it's a comment on the way he summarily dismisses almost anything I
say. Something has changed in him in the last year, when he stops acting
like harry, I will stop dismissing him like harry...



It truly warms my heart to be "dismissed" by useless, unemployable,
foul-mouthed, right-wing morons like PsychoScotty and his buddies. :)

But it is nice that he's buddy-buddy with John Herring the Racist.

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

John H.[_5_] December 17th 13 10:02 PM

WalMart to Offer Its Employees Payday Loans
 
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 14:05:34 -0500, KC wrote:

On 12/17/2013 1:53 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/17/2013 1:20 PM, KC wrote:
On 12/17/2013 12:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/17/2013 12:01 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 11:08:58 -0500, KC wrote:

On 12/17/2013 10:50 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 07:54:58 -0500, John H.
wrote:


His comment was about 3" above yours. " Deliberate acts of violence
are not common in baseball or
basketball or soccer (at least not by the players)."

You don't get much more deliberate than that crash at home plate. The
whole intent is to hit the catcher hard enough to make him drop the
ball. The catcher does wear protective gear but it really just
protects him from a pitched ball, not a 250 pound, roided up player,
coming in at 30 feet per second.


Yeah, but every hit in football is designed to make someone drop the
ball or get hurt... every single one. Every time a guy blocks on the
line, he tries to shove a thumb in an eye, or an elbow to the kidney,
twist a leg while in the pile, etc..... Your pads don't help much when
you are in a pile and someone grabs your leg and tries to twist it off
while getting up... Granted, in baseball there is some contact, what,
three times a game? In football there are probably 40 hits, each and
every play, designed to hurt the other guy and put him out of the
game...

I honestly don't believe that. Some fraction of the players intend to
hurt someone, but I believe
most players intend to do their job - protect the quarterback, rush
the quarterback, run the ball,
tackle the ball carrier, catch the ball, stop the catch, etc., etc.

Sorry, we're going to have to disagree on that one.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!



Agreed. Football is a rough sport but I think the majority of the
players have a certain degree of respect for each other and are not out
to *intentionally* cause injuries. It could just as easily happen to
them. (Paybacks are a bitch).

There are a few who are out to maim but they are in the minority.
This bull**** about "every" play includes a thumb in the eye, an elbow
to the kidney or trying to twist a leg off while getting up from a play
is just that .... bull****.



Well, aren't you the expert..... again..... snerk.



My non-expert view makes a hell of a lot more sense than your comment:

"Every time a guy blocks on the line, he tries to shove a thumb in an
eye, or an elbow to the kidney, twist a leg while in the pile, etc....."

Snerk yourself.



You have something besides your view of the wide screen to base your
opinion on or a top secret inside like the Guitar maker issue:)?? Cause
I do.... But your opinion is as good as mine here, but then again, mine
is at least as good as yours....


You've played professional football? Have you played any football? I played on a league at Ft
Belvoir for three years. I was intentionally fouled (blind-sided) one time in over 30 games. Yes, I
returned the favor, and we suffered 15 yards. I was a rusher whose job was to keep the q-back from
going around the outside. Lots of hitting, pushing, shoving, dirty looks, etc. Never got a thumb in
the eye (and we didn't wear padding or helmets), an elbow in the kidneys, or a twist on the leg
while in a pile.

I've no idea on what you're basing your opinion.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!



John H.[_5_] December 17th 13 10:04 PM

WalMart to Offer Its Employees Payday Loans
 
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 11:42:10 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 1:15:39 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/17/2013 12:34 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:

On 12/17/13, 12:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


On 12/17/2013 12:01 PM, John H. wrote:


On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 11:08:58 -0500, KC wrote:




On 12/17/2013 10:50 AM,
wrote:

On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 07:54:58 -0500, John H.


wrote:






His comment was about 3" above yours. " Deliberate acts of violence


are not common in baseball or


basketball or soccer (at least not by the players)."




You don't get much more deliberate than that crash at home plate. The


whole intent is to hit the catcher hard enough to make him drop the


ball. The catcher does wear protective gear but it really just


protects him from a pitched ball, not a 250 pound, roided up player,


coming in at 30 feet per second.






Yeah, but every hit in football is designed to make someone drop the


ball or get hurt... every single one. Every time a guy blocks on the


line, he tries to shove a thumb in an eye, or an elbow to the kidney,


twist a leg while in the pile, etc..... Your pads don't help much when


you are in a pile and someone grabs your leg and tries to twist it off


while getting up... Granted, in baseball there is some contact, what,


three times a game? In football there are probably 40 hits, each and


every play, designed to hurt the other guy and put him out of the


game...




I honestly don't believe that. Some fraction of the players intend to


hurt someone, but I believe


most players intend to do their job - protect the quarterback, rush


the quarterback, run the ball,


tackle the ball carrier, catch the ball, stop the catch, etc., etc.




Sorry, we're going to have to disagree on that one.




John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!








Agreed. Football is a rough sport but I think the majority of the


players have a certain degree of respect for each other and are not out


to *intentionally* cause injuries. It could just as easily happen to


them. (Paybacks are a bitch).




There are a few who are out to maim but they are in the minority.


This bull**** about "every" play includes a thumb in the eye, an elbow


to the kidney or trying to twist a leg off while getting up from a play


is just that .... bull****.










Gotta love rec.boats. How many NFL coaches are involved in the same game


as defensive coordinator Gregg Williams was?




You remember Williams, right? An NFL investigation showed that NO Saints


defensive players were being paid $1500 for taking an opposing player


out of a game.




The NFL claimed that at the time of the 2009 playoff game between New


Orleans and Minnesota, Saints captain Jonathan Vilma had a $10,000


reward for any player who hit Brett Favre hard enough so he had to leave


the game.




Your NFL heroes play dirty and take steroids, and it wouldn't be


surprising to learn that a good number of them play footsie with


professional gamblers.






Harry, there are over 1,700 active players in the NFL. How many do you

think are offered or accept bonuses to "take out" an opposing player?



Are there isolated cases of criminal like behavior? Yes, just like in

any business. Is it representative of the whole league? No way.



Just because you don't enjoy football or much of any popular sports

doesn't mean it's all bad. Just like all big businesses aren't bad.



You sure have a negative view on anything that doesn't appeal to you.


Of course the fact that there was some corruption in the NFL means the entire league is dirty.

Same goes for the unions. The fact that there has been union corruption means the entire system is dirty, right?

Gotta hate how that "logic" plays out. :-)


Your first conclusion is obviously false. Your second is obviously true.

That's my story, and I'm sticking with it.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!



KC December 17th 13 11:52 PM

WalMart to Offer Its Employees Payday Loans
 
On 12/17/2013 2:12 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/17/2013 2:05 PM, KC wrote:
On 12/17/2013 1:53 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/17/2013 1:20 PM, KC wrote:
On 12/17/2013 12:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/17/2013 12:01 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 11:08:58 -0500, KC wrote:

On 12/17/2013 10:50 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 07:54:58 -0500, John H.
wrote:


His comment was about 3" above yours. " Deliberate acts of
violence
are not common in baseball or
basketball or soccer (at least not by the players)."

You don't get much more deliberate than that crash at home plate.
The
whole intent is to hit the catcher hard enough to make him drop the
ball. The catcher does wear protective gear but it really just
protects him from a pitched ball, not a 250 pound, roided up
player,
coming in at 30 feet per second.


Yeah, but every hit in football is designed to make someone drop the
ball or get hurt... every single one. Every time a guy blocks on the
line, he tries to shove a thumb in an eye, or an elbow to the
kidney,
twist a leg while in the pile, etc..... Your pads don't help much
when
you are in a pile and someone grabs your leg and tries to twist it
off
while getting up... Granted, in baseball there is some contact,
what,
three times a game? In football there are probably 40 hits, each and
every play, designed to hurt the other guy and put him out of the
game...

I honestly don't believe that. Some fraction of the players intend to
hurt someone, but I believe
most players intend to do their job - protect the quarterback, rush
the quarterback, run the ball,
tackle the ball carrier, catch the ball, stop the catch, etc., etc.

Sorry, we're going to have to disagree on that one.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!



Agreed. Football is a rough sport but I think the majority of the
players have a certain degree of respect for each other and are not
out
to *intentionally* cause injuries. It could just as easily happen to
them. (Paybacks are a bitch).

There are a few who are out to maim but they are in the minority.
This bull**** about "every" play includes a thumb in the eye, an elbow
to the kidney or trying to twist a leg off while getting up from a
play
is just that .... bull****.



Well, aren't you the expert..... again..... snerk.


My non-expert view makes a hell of a lot more sense than your comment:

"Every time a guy blocks on the line, he tries to shove a thumb in an
eye, or an elbow to the kidney, twist a leg while in the pile, etc....."

Snerk yourself.



You have something besides your view of the wide screen to base your
opinion on or a top secret inside like the Guitar maker issue:)?? Cause
I do.... But your opinion is as good as mine here, but then again, mine
is at least as good as yours....



I am not sure what you are asking. If you are asking if I play pro
football, no, of course not.

If you are asking if I personally know any NFL players ... yes, it so
happens that I do through a mutual business interest.


Well of course you do... like I said before, you are an expert:)

I don't know what your "guitar maker issue" is referring to.


Your super-duper, inside info on Gibson of course!




KC December 17th 13 11:58 PM

WalMart to Offer Its Employees Payday Loans
 
On 12/17/2013 2:17 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/17/2013 2:11 PM, KC wrote:
On 12/17/2013 2:03 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 13:20:16 -0500, KC wrote:

On 12/17/2013 12:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/17/2013 12:01 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 11:08:58 -0500, KC wrote:

On 12/17/2013 10:50 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 07:54:58 -0500, John H.
wrote:


His comment was about 3" above yours. " Deliberate acts of
violence
are not common in baseball or
basketball or soccer (at least not by the players)."

You don't get much more deliberate than that crash at home plate.
The
whole intent is to hit the catcher hard enough to make him drop the
ball. The catcher does wear protective gear but it really just
protects him from a pitched ball, not a 250 pound, roided up
player,
coming in at 30 feet per second.


Yeah, but every hit in football is designed to make someone drop the
ball or get hurt... every single one. Every time a guy blocks on the
line, he tries to shove a thumb in an eye, or an elbow to the
kidney,
twist a leg while in the pile, etc..... Your pads don't help much
when
you are in a pile and someone grabs your leg and tries to twist it
off
while getting up... Granted, in baseball there is some contact,
what,
three times a game? In football there are probably 40 hits, each and
every play, designed to hurt the other guy and put him out of the
game...

I honestly don't believe that. Some fraction of the players intend to
hurt someone, but I believe
most players intend to do their job - protect the quarterback, rush
the quarterback, run the ball,
tackle the ball carrier, catch the ball, stop the catch, etc., etc.

Sorry, we're going to have to disagree on that one.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!



Agreed. Football is a rough sport but I think the majority of the
players have a certain degree of respect for each other and are not
out
to *intentionally* cause injuries. It could just as easily happen to
them. (Paybacks are a bitch).

There are a few who are out to maim but they are in the minority.
This bull**** about "every" play includes a thumb in the eye, an elbow
to the kidney or trying to twist a leg off while getting up from a
play
is just that .... bull****.



Well, aren't you the expert..... again..... snerk.

Now you're sounding like Donnie. Uncalled for.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!



Well, it's a comment on the way he summarily dismisses almost anything I
say. Something has changed in him in the last year, when he stops acting
like harry, I will stop dismissing him like harry...



Your "filter" seems to have many holes in it.




Is that where you need to go to feel superior? Should I leave spelling
tidbits for you so you can feel great like donnie? snerk

KC December 18th 13 12:06 AM

WalMart to Offer Its Employees Payday Loans
 
On 12/17/2013 4:55 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 14:11:25 -0500, KC wrote:

On 12/17/2013 2:03 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 13:20:16 -0500, KC wrote:

On 12/17/2013 12:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/17/2013 12:01 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 11:08:58 -0500, KC wrote:

On 12/17/2013 10:50 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 07:54:58 -0500, John H.
wrote:


His comment was about 3" above yours. " Deliberate acts of violence
are not common in baseball or
basketball or soccer (at least not by the players)."

You don't get much more deliberate than that crash at home plate. The
whole intent is to hit the catcher hard enough to make him drop the
ball. The catcher does wear protective gear but it really just
protects him from a pitched ball, not a 250 pound, roided up player,
coming in at 30 feet per second.


Yeah, but every hit in football is designed to make someone drop the
ball or get hurt... every single one. Every time a guy blocks on the
line, he tries to shove a thumb in an eye, or an elbow to the kidney,
twist a leg while in the pile, etc..... Your pads don't help much when
you are in a pile and someone grabs your leg and tries to twist it off
while getting up... Granted, in baseball there is some contact, what,
three times a game? In football there are probably 40 hits, each and
every play, designed to hurt the other guy and put him out of the
game...

I honestly don't believe that. Some fraction of the players intend to
hurt someone, but I believe
most players intend to do their job - protect the quarterback, rush
the quarterback, run the ball,
tackle the ball carrier, catch the ball, stop the catch, etc., etc.

Sorry, we're going to have to disagree on that one.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!



Agreed. Football is a rough sport but I think the majority of the
players have a certain degree of respect for each other and are not out
to *intentionally* cause injuries. It could just as easily happen to
them. (Paybacks are a bitch).

There are a few who are out to maim but they are in the minority.
This bull**** about "every" play includes a thumb in the eye, an elbow
to the kidney or trying to twist a leg off while getting up from a play
is just that .... bull****.



Well, aren't you the expert..... again..... snerk.

Now you're sounding like Donnie. Uncalled for.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!



Well, it's a comment on the way he summarily dismisses almost anything I
say. Something has changed in him in the last year, when he stops acting
like harry, I will stop dismissing him like harry...


We were talking about one specific thing, the inflicting of intentional injuries in football, not
'almost anything you say'. You said, "In football there are probably 40 hits, each and
every play, designed to hurt the other guy and put him out of the game..." To get 40 hits per play,
given there are 22 people on the field, and one hit takes two or more people, would mean that each
player hits another three or four times per play, *and* each hit is designed to *hurt* the other guy
- not block, not catch, not pass block, not throw, not tackle, but *hurt*.

Well, I think that's bull**** also.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!



We were talking about one specific thing... how many intentional hits
football players get compared to soccer, lacross, and basketball...

Mr. Luddite December 18th 13 12:29 AM

WalMart to Offer Its Employees Payday Loans
 
On 12/17/2013 6:52 PM, KC wrote:
On 12/17/2013 2:12 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/17/2013 2:05 PM, KC wrote:
On 12/17/2013 1:53 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/17/2013 1:20 PM, KC wrote:
On 12/17/2013 12:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/17/2013 12:01 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 11:08:58 -0500, KC
wrote:

On 12/17/2013 10:50 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 07:54:58 -0500, John H.
wrote:


His comment was about 3" above yours. " Deliberate acts of
violence
are not common in baseball or
basketball or soccer (at least not by the players)."

You don't get much more deliberate than that crash at home plate.
The
whole intent is to hit the catcher hard enough to make him drop
the
ball. The catcher does wear protective gear but it really just
protects him from a pitched ball, not a 250 pound, roided up
player,
coming in at 30 feet per second.


Yeah, but every hit in football is designed to make someone drop
the
ball or get hurt... every single one. Every time a guy blocks on
the
line, he tries to shove a thumb in an eye, or an elbow to the
kidney,
twist a leg while in the pile, etc..... Your pads don't help much
when
you are in a pile and someone grabs your leg and tries to twist it
off
while getting up... Granted, in baseball there is some contact,
what,
three times a game? In football there are probably 40 hits, each
and
every play, designed to hurt the other guy and put him out of the
game...

I honestly don't believe that. Some fraction of the players
intend to
hurt someone, but I believe
most players intend to do their job - protect the quarterback, rush
the quarterback, run the ball,
tackle the ball carrier, catch the ball, stop the catch, etc., etc.

Sorry, we're going to have to disagree on that one.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!



Agreed. Football is a rough sport but I think the majority of the
players have a certain degree of respect for each other and are not
out
to *intentionally* cause injuries. It could just as easily
happen to
them. (Paybacks are a bitch).

There are a few who are out to maim but they are in the minority.
This bull**** about "every" play includes a thumb in the eye, an
elbow
to the kidney or trying to twist a leg off while getting up from a
play
is just that .... bull****.



Well, aren't you the expert..... again..... snerk.


My non-expert view makes a hell of a lot more sense than your comment:

"Every time a guy blocks on the line, he tries to shove a thumb in an
eye, or an elbow to the kidney, twist a leg while in the pile,
etc....."

Snerk yourself.



You have something besides your view of the wide screen to base your
opinion on or a top secret inside like the Guitar maker issue:)?? Cause
I do.... But your opinion is as good as mine here, but then again, mine
is at least as good as yours....



I am not sure what you are asking. If you are asking if I play pro
football, no, of course not.

If you are asking if I personally know any NFL players ... yes, it so
happens that I do through a mutual business interest.


Well of course you do... like I said before, you are an expert:)

I don't know what your "guitar maker issue" is referring to.


Your super-duper, inside info on Gibson of course!



I don't know what Gibson guitars have to do with football injuries which
was being discussed. Then again, interjecting a different subject and
angle is a pretty common practice on your part.

Say, speaking of different subjects, how's that tee shirt printing
business going? Business picking up now that winter is here?


John H.[_5_] December 18th 13 02:19 AM

WalMart to Offer Its Employees Payday Loans
 
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 19:06:57 -0500, KC wrote:

On 12/17/2013 4:55 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 14:11:25 -0500, KC wrote:

On 12/17/2013 2:03 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 13:20:16 -0500, KC wrote:

On 12/17/2013 12:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/17/2013 12:01 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 11:08:58 -0500, KC wrote:

On 12/17/2013 10:50 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 07:54:58 -0500, John H.
wrote:


His comment was about 3" above yours. " Deliberate acts of violence
are not common in baseball or
basketball or soccer (at least not by the players)."

You don't get much more deliberate than that crash at home plate. The
whole intent is to hit the catcher hard enough to make him drop the
ball. The catcher does wear protective gear but it really just
protects him from a pitched ball, not a 250 pound, roided up player,
coming in at 30 feet per second.


Yeah, but every hit in football is designed to make someone drop the
ball or get hurt... every single one. Every time a guy blocks on the
line, he tries to shove a thumb in an eye, or an elbow to the kidney,
twist a leg while in the pile, etc..... Your pads don't help much when
you are in a pile and someone grabs your leg and tries to twist it off
while getting up... Granted, in baseball there is some contact, what,
three times a game? In football there are probably 40 hits, each and
every play, designed to hurt the other guy and put him out of the
game...

I honestly don't believe that. Some fraction of the players intend to
hurt someone, but I believe
most players intend to do their job - protect the quarterback, rush
the quarterback, run the ball,
tackle the ball carrier, catch the ball, stop the catch, etc., etc.

Sorry, we're going to have to disagree on that one.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!



Agreed. Football is a rough sport but I think the majority of the
players have a certain degree of respect for each other and are not out
to *intentionally* cause injuries. It could just as easily happen to
them. (Paybacks are a bitch).

There are a few who are out to maim but they are in the minority.
This bull**** about "every" play includes a thumb in the eye, an elbow
to the kidney or trying to twist a leg off while getting up from a play
is just that .... bull****.



Well, aren't you the expert..... again..... snerk.

Now you're sounding like Donnie. Uncalled for.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!



Well, it's a comment on the way he summarily dismisses almost anything I
say. Something has changed in him in the last year, when he stops acting
like harry, I will stop dismissing him like harry...


We were talking about one specific thing, the inflicting of intentional injuries in football, not
'almost anything you say'. You said, "In football there are probably 40 hits, each and
every play, designed to hurt the other guy and put him out of the game..." To get 40 hits per play,
given there are 22 people on the field, and one hit takes two or more people, would mean that each
player hits another three or four times per play, *and* each hit is designed to *hurt* the other guy
- not block, not catch, not pass block, not throw, not tackle, but *hurt*.

Well, I think that's bull**** also.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!



We were talking about one specific thing... how many intentional hits
football players get compared to soccer, lacross, and basketball...


You're right, dear.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!



F.O.A.D. December 18th 13 02:52 AM

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On 12/17/13, 7:06 PM, KC wrote:
On 12/17/2013 4:55 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 14:11:25 -0500, KC wrote:

On 12/17/2013 2:03 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 13:20:16 -0500, KC wrote:

On 12/17/2013 12:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/17/2013 12:01 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 11:08:58 -0500, KC
wrote:

On 12/17/2013 10:50 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 07:54:58 -0500, John H.
wrote:


His comment was about 3" above yours. " Deliberate acts of
violence
are not common in baseball or
basketball or soccer (at least not by the players)."

You don't get much more deliberate than that crash at home
plate. The
whole intent is to hit the catcher hard enough to make him drop
the
ball. The catcher does wear protective gear but it really just
protects him from a pitched ball, not a 250 pound, roided up
player,
coming in at 30 feet per second.


Yeah, but every hit in football is designed to make someone drop
the
ball or get hurt... every single one. Every time a guy blocks on
the
line, he tries to shove a thumb in an eye, or an elbow to the
kidney,
twist a leg while in the pile, etc..... Your pads don't help
much when
you are in a pile and someone grabs your leg and tries to twist
it off
while getting up... Granted, in baseball there is some contact,
what,
three times a game? In football there are probably 40 hits, each
and
every play, designed to hurt the other guy and put him out of the
game...

I honestly don't believe that. Some fraction of the players
intend to
hurt someone, but I believe
most players intend to do their job - protect the quarterback, rush
the quarterback, run the ball,
tackle the ball carrier, catch the ball, stop the catch, etc., etc.

Sorry, we're going to have to disagree on that one.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!



Agreed. Football is a rough sport but I think the majority of the
players have a certain degree of respect for each other and are
not out
to *intentionally* cause injuries. It could just as easily
happen to
them. (Paybacks are a bitch).

There are a few who are out to maim but they are in the minority.
This bull**** about "every" play includes a thumb in the eye, an
elbow
to the kidney or trying to twist a leg off while getting up from a
play
is just that .... bull****.



Well, aren't you the expert..... again..... snerk.

Now you're sounding like Donnie. Uncalled for.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!



Well, it's a comment on the way he summarily dismisses almost anything I
say. Something has changed in him in the last year, when he stops acting
like harry, I will stop dismissing him like harry...


We were talking about one specific thing, the inflicting of
intentional injuries in football, not
'almost anything you say'. You said, "In football there are probably
40 hits, each and
every play, designed to hurt the other guy and put him out of the
game..." To get 40 hits per play,
given there are 22 people on the field, and one hit takes two or more
people, would mean that each
player hits another three or four times per play, *and* each hit is
designed to *hurt* the other guy
- not block, not catch, not pass block, not throw, not tackle, but
*hurt*.

Well, I think that's bull**** also.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!



We were talking about one specific thing... how many intentional hits
football players get compared to soccer, lacross, and basketball...



It would be interesting to compare the serious injury rate per 100
professional and college players in sports such as football, soccer,
basketball, baseball. By serious injuries, I would include concussions
and other serious head/brain injuries, fractures, internal organ damage,
et cetera. I would be very surprised to learn that the rate of *serious*
injuries in football wasn't at least twice as high as the rate of the
next sport.

I doubt if stats are kept on the deliberate infliction of *serious*
injuries on other players. I would expect that the deliberately
inflicted *serious* injuries in football lead the list in a big way.

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