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Charitable Donations of the Rich Mostly Don't Help the Poor
The rich give to help the rich:
As an article published on Salon recently pointed out, the rich have a tendency to give generously to institutions and endowments that serve “their kind” and not the needy. [A] large portion of the charitable deductions now claimed by America’s wealthy are for donations to culture palaces – operas, art museums, symphonies, and theaters – where they spend their leisure time hobnobbing with other wealthy benefactors. Another portion is for contributions to the elite prep schools and universities they once attended or want their children to attend. (Such institutions typically give preference in admissions, a kind of affirmative action, to applicants and “legacies” whose parents have been notably generous.) Art museums and Ivy League schools need money too, of course, but so do the nation’s hungry and homeless. A dollar donated to an art museum gives you the same amount of tax deductions as one spent at a soup kitchen. The numbers do not favor the poor, either. The Washington Post found that around 70% of all charitable contributions went to charities that do not specifically help the poor. http://tinyurl.com/qhxbmlj -- Religion: together we can find the cure. |
Charitable Donations of the Rich Mostly Don't Help the Poor
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
The rich give to help the rich: As an article published on Salon recently pointed out, the rich have a tendency to give generously to institutions and endowments that serve “their kind” and not the needy. [A] large portion of the charitable deductions now claimed by America’s wealthy are for donations to culture palaces – operas, art museums, symphonies, and theaters – where they spend their leisure time hobnobbing with other wealthy benefactors. Another portion is for contributions to the elite prep schools and universities they once attended or want their children to attend. (Such institutions typically give preference in admissions, a kind of affirmative action, to applicants and “legacies” whose parents have been notably generous.) Art museums and Ivy League schools need money too, of course, but so do the nation’s hungry and homeless. A dollar donated to an art museum gives you the same amount of tax deductions as one spent at a soup kitchen. The numbers do not favor the poor, either. The Washington Post found that around 70% of all charitable contributions went to charities that do not specifically help the poor. http://tinyurl.com/qhxbmlj Yup. Like Harvard. $30 billion plus in endowment. $172 million in need based scholarships. One of the stingiest schools in the country. |
Charitable Donations of the Rich Mostly Don't Help the Poor
John H. wrote:
On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 11:49:09 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: The rich give to help the rich: As an article published on Salon recently pointed out, the rich have a tendency to give generously to institutions and endowments that serve “their kind” and not the needy. [A] large portion of the charitable deductions now claimed by America’s wealthy are for donations to culture palaces – operas, art museums, symphonies, and theaters – where they spend their leisure time hobnobbing with other wealthy benefactors. Another portion is for contributions to the elite prep schools and universities they once attended or want their children to attend. (Such institutions typically give preference in admissions, a kind of affirmative action, to applicants and “legacies” whose parents have been notably generous.) Art museums and Ivy League schools need money too, of course, but so do the nation’s hungry and homeless. A dollar donated to an art museum gives you the same amount of tax deductions as one spent at a soup kitchen. The numbers do not favor the poor, either. The Washington Post found that around 70% of all charitable contributions went to charities that do not specifically help the poor. http://tinyurl.com/qhxbmlj If you really want to help the poor, return the tax to 91% for the richest Americans; that's where it was shortly after WWII. Then, change the tax rate to 0% for those making under about $100,000 per year. If we did THAT, the poor could help themselves. Handout are band aids, what they need is a transfusion. Nothing will change unless the hoarded money comes back into the hands of people that create jobs. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Kevin, you are showing financial ignorance to the max. |
Charitable Donations of the Rich Mostly Don't Help the Poor
On 12/16/13, 12:27 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote: The rich give to help the rich: As an article published on Salon recently pointed out, the rich have a tendency to give generously to institutions and endowments that serve “their kind” and not the needy. [A] large portion of the charitable deductions now claimed by America’s wealthy are for donations to culture palaces – operas, art museums, symphonies, and theaters – where they spend their leisure time hobnobbing with other wealthy benefactors. Another portion is for contributions to the elite prep schools and universities they once attended or want their children to attend. (Such institutions typically give preference in admissions, a kind of affirmative action, to applicants and “legacies” whose parents have been notably generous.) Art museums and Ivy League schools need money too, of course, but so do the nation’s hungry and homeless. A dollar donated to an art museum gives you the same amount of tax deductions as one spent at a soup kitchen. The numbers do not favor the poor, either. The Washington Post found that around 70% of all charitable contributions went to charities that do not specifically help the poor. http://tinyurl.com/qhxbmlj Yup. Like Harvard. $30 billion plus in endowment. $172 million in need based scholarships. One of the stingiest schools in the country. Not to worry, Bilious...an "illegal" took your potential job there, mopping floors. He spoke and understood plain English, skills you are lacking. He *knew* Texas was in "da south." -- Religion: together we can find the cure. |
Charitable Donations of the Rich Mostly Don't Help the Poor
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/16/13, 12:27 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: The rich give to help the rich: As an article published on Salon recently pointed out, the rich have a tendency to give generously to institutions and endowments that serve “their kind” and not the needy. [A] large portion of the charitable deductions now claimed by America’s wealthy are for donations to culture palaces – operas, art museums, symphonies, and theaters – where they spend their leisure time hobnobbing with other wealthy benefactors. Another portion is for contributions to the elite prep schools and universities they once attended or want their children to attend. (Such institutions typically give preference in admissions, a kind of affirmative action, to applicants and “legacies” whose parents have been notably generous.) Art museums and Ivy League schools need money too, of course, but so do the nation’s hungry and homeless. A dollar donated to an art museum gives you the same amount of tax deductions as one spent at a soup kitchen. The numbers do not favor the poor, either. The Washington Post found that around 70% of all charitable contributions went to charities that do not specifically help the poor. http://tinyurl.com/qhxbmlj Yup. Like Harvard. $30 billion plus in endowment. $172 million in need based scholarships. One of the stingiest schools in the country. Not to worry, Bilious...an "illegal" took your potential job there, mopping floors. He spoke and understood plain English, skills you are lacking. He *knew* Texas was in "da south." What the hell. Is True North who was a floor mopper. And I understand English very well, even have a decent understanding of Spanish. Better to tell the worker what to do. The English speaker like you and Kevin are looking for government handouts, and not paying taxes, instead of looking for work. |
Charitable Donations of the Rich Mostly Don't Help the Poor
On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 12:26:46 -0500, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 11:49:09 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: The rich give to help the rich: As an article published on Salon recently pointed out, the rich have a tendency to give generously to institutions and endowments that serve “their kind” and not the needy. [A] large portion of the charitable deductions now claimed by America’s wealthy are for donations to culture palaces – operas, art museums, symphonies, and theaters – where they spend their leisure time hobnobbing with other wealthy benefactors. Another portion is for contributions to the elite prep schools and universities they once attended or want their children to attend. (Such institutions typically give preference in admissions, a kind of affirmative action, to applicants and “legacies” whose parents have been notably generous.) Art museums and Ivy League schools need money too, of course, but so do the nation’s hungry and homeless. A dollar donated to an art museum gives you the same amount of tax deductions as one spent at a soup kitchen. The numbers do not favor the poor, either. The Washington Post found that around 70% of all charitable contributions went to charities that do not specifically help the poor. http://tinyurl.com/qhxbmlj If you really want to help the poor, return the tax to 91% for the richest Americans; that's where it was shortly after WWII. Then, change the tax rate to 0% for those making under about $100,000 per year. If we did THAT, the poor could help themselves. Handout are band aids, what they need is a transfusion. Nothing will change unless the hoarded money comes back into the hands of people that create jobs. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Hell yes, give the poor a *bunch* of money. That'll teach them to 'fish'. You liberals have one big problem. You're friggin' jealous. That's a bitch. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
Charitable Donations of the Rich Mostly Don't Help the Poor
On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 11:31:46 -0600, Califbill wrote:
John H. wrote: On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 11:49:09 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: The rich give to help the rich: As an article published on Salon recently pointed out, the rich have a tendency to give generously to institutions and endowments that serve ?their kind? and not the needy. [A] large portion of the charitable deductions now claimed by America?s wealthy are for donations to culture palaces ? operas, art museums, symphonies, and theaters ? where they spend their leisure time hobnobbing with other wealthy benefactors. Another portion is for contributions to the elite prep schools and universities they once attended or want their children to attend. (Such institutions typically give preference in admissions, a kind of affirmative action, to applicants and ?legacies? whose parents have been notably generous.) Art museums and Ivy League schools need money too, of course, but so do the nation?s hungry and homeless. A dollar donated to an art museum gives you the same amount of tax deductions as one spent at a soup kitchen. The numbers do not favor the poor, either. The Washington Post found that around 70% of all charitable contributions went to charities that do not specifically help the poor. http://tinyurl.com/qhxbmlj If you really want to help the poor, return the tax to 91% for the richest Americans; that's where it was shortly after WWII. Then, change the tax rate to 0% for those making under about $100,000 per year. If we did THAT, the poor could help themselves. Handout are band aids, what they need is a transfusion. Nothing will change unless the hoarded money comes back into the hands of people that create jobs. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Kevin, you are showing financial ignorance to the max. He's becoming a big embarrassment to Johns everywhere. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
Charitable Donations of the Rich Mostly Don't Help the Poor
On 12/16/13, 4:51 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 16:12:18 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/16/13, 4:05 PM, wrote: On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 11:49:09 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: The rich give to help the rich: As an article published on Salon recently pointed out, the rich have a tendency to give generously to institutions and endowments that serve “their kind” and not the needy. [A] large portion of the charitable deductions now claimed by America’s wealthy are for donations to culture palaces – operas, art museums, symphonies, and theaters – where they spend their leisure time hobnobbing with other wealthy benefactors. Another portion is for contributions to the elite prep schools and universities they once attended or want their children to attend. (Such institutions typically give preference in admissions, a kind of affirmative action, to applicants and “legacies” whose parents have been notably generous.) Art museums and Ivy League schools need money too, of course, but so do the nation’s hungry and homeless. A dollar donated to an art museum gives you the same amount of tax deductions as one spent at a soup kitchen. The numbers do not favor the poor, either. The Washington Post found that around 70% of all charitable contributions went to charities that do not specifically help the poor. http://tinyurl.com/qhxbmlj It is interesting watching Harry trashing places of arts, culture and universities. I bet you don't talk like this among your elitist friends. I am not trashing "places of art, culture and universities." Perhaps if your language skills were of a higher level, you'd realize that. I merely lifted a few quotes from an article. It points out that charitable giving, which many people think helps the poor, too often does not. I'll be on the lookout for articles that discuss what really happens to funds donated to christian churches that take those funds and build...larger churches, bigger homes for their pastors, et cetera. That's not the same as running a homeless shelter, a soup kitchen, or distributing food and clothing to those in need. You are making it sound like these are not worthy of being called charity. I have no problem with that. It bothers me a little that they just announced there are over 40 university presidents making more than a million a year. That is not a charity. I think universities can qualify as non-profits...but charities? I don't think so, in most cases. I'm not offended by a university president making a million a year...universities are big business, with lots of assets, staff, competition, et cetera. It's not as if they were being paid at the level of corporate execs. I would eliminate the tax-free status of churches for enterprises and properties that aren't deeply involved in helping the poor or the sick or the injured. Why should funds that go to build a new church be tax deductible? Why should that church be deductible from real estate taxes? Now if the church runs a legitimate shelter, or food bank, or clothing giveaway facility, sure, donations for those operations should be deductible. But for proselytizing? No. -- Religion: together we can find the cure. |
Charitable Donations of the Rich Mostly Don't Help the Poor
F.O.A.D. wrote:
The rich give to help the rich: As an article published on Salon recently pointed out, the rich have a tendency to give generously to institutions and endowments that serve “their kind” and not the needy. [A] large portion of the charitable deductions now claimed by America’s wealthy are for donations to culture palaces – operas, art museums, symphonies, and theaters – where they spend their leisure time hobnobbing with other wealthy benefactors. Another portion is for contributions to the elite prep schools and universities they once attended or want their children to attend. (Such institutions typically give preference in admissions, a kind of affirmative action, to applicants and “legacies” whose parents have been notably generous.) Art museums and Ivy League schools need money too, of course, but so do the nation’s hungry and homeless. A dollar donated to an art museum gives you the same amount of tax deductions as one spent at a soup kitchen. The numbers do not favor the poor, either. The Washington Post found that around 70% of all charitable contributions went to charities that do not specifically help the poor. http://tinyurl.com/qhxbmlj Like forced union dues, eh? |
Charitable Donations of the Rich Mostly Don't Help the Poor
On Monday, December 16, 2013 8:18:34 PM UTC-5, Earl wrote:
Like forced union dues, eh? Like the ones Krause STOLE from Members, you know, the ones that actually WORK. Unlike Krause, who sits in his basement, getting head from Cockhole White.. |
Charitable Donations of the Rich Mostly Don't Help the Poor
On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 16:12:18 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
That's not the same as running a homeless shelter, a soup kitchen, or distributing food and clothing to those in need. === Please tell us something about your own efforts in those activities. |
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Charitable Donations of the Rich Mostly Don't Help the Poor
On Monday, December 16, 2013 10:49:09 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:
The rich give to help the rich: Hey Harry. Surely you're a charitable man. Instead of gripe about "the rich" why don't you tell us what YOU give and WHO it helps? |
Charitable Donations of the Rich Mostly Don't Help the Poor
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 04:09:53 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:
On Monday, December 16, 2013 10:49:09 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: The rich give to help the rich: Hey Harry. Surely you're a charitable man. Instead of gripe about "the rich" why don't you tell us what YOU give and WHO it helps? Good morning, Tim. All you have to do is look at Harry's income tax return. Oh....never mind....I forgot. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
Charitable Donations of the Rich Mostly Don't Help the Poor
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 07:13:41 -0500, John H.
wrote: All you have to do is look at Harry's income tax return. Oh....never mind....I forgot. === Harry thinks that paying taxes is for other people. |
Charitable Donations of the Rich Mostly Don't Help the Poor
On 12/17/13, 7:09 AM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, December 16, 2013 10:49:09 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: The rich give to help the rich: Hey Harry. Surely you're a charitable man. Instead of gripe about "the rich" why don't you tell us what YOU give and WHO it helps? We give to nonsectarian organizations that help families and individuals in need of shelter, clothing, food, and medical attention. -- Religion: together we can find the cure. |
Charitable Donations of the Rich Mostly Don't Help the Poor
On 12/16/2013 10:38 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 16:12:18 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: That's not the same as running a homeless shelter, a soup kitchen, or distributing food and clothing to those in need. === Please tell us something about your own efforts in those activities. Where would he find time for those charitable activities? When he's not here pestering us he's cleaning litter boxes, doing laundry, spreading mulch, cooking supper, or working. Hell, Harry doesn't have enough time to clean the house or basement office. -- Americans deserve better. |
Charitable Donations of the Rich Mostly Don't Help the Poor
On 12/17/2013 7:53 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/17/13, 7:09 AM, Tim wrote: On Monday, December 16, 2013 10:49:09 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: The rich give to help the rich: Hey Harry. Surely you're a charitable man. Instead of gripe about "the rich" why don't you tell us what YOU give and WHO it helps? We give to nonsectarian organizations that help families and individuals in need of shelter, clothing, food, and medical attention. When Harry does something it's "I". When she does something it's "We". Why doesn't she give to sectarian entities? She is, after all, a religious protestant, "Southern Belle". I hesitate to say Southern Baptist because we don't have the proof. But your rants would tend to indicate that's the case. Poor Harry, forced to live among Christians. -- Americans deserve better. |
Charitable Donations of the Rich Mostly Don't Help the Poor
On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 7:53:35 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
We give to nonsectarian organizations that help families and individuals in need of shelter, clothing, food, and medical attention. ****ING LIAR |
Charitable Donations of the Rich Mostly Don't Help the Poor
Tim wrote:
On Monday, December 16, 2013 10:49:09 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: The rich give to help the rich: Hey Harry. Surely you're a charitable man. Instead of gripe about "the rich" why don't you tell us what YOU give and WHO it helps? He doesn't pay taxes. |
Charitable Donations of the Rich Mostly Don't Help the Poor
On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 6:53:35 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/17/13, 7:09 AM, Tim wrote: On Monday, December 16, 2013 10:49:09 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: The rich give to help the rich: Hey Harry. Surely you're a charitable man. Instead of gripe about "the rich" why don't you tell us what YOU give and WHO it helps? We give to nonsectarian organizations that help families and individuals in need of shelter, clothing, food, and medical attention. "We give nonsectarian organizations?" How about getting close and personal? Like, pay somebody's back utility bill so they don't get their gas shut off, or buy somebody a cheap but dependable beater car so they can make it to their new job. Donate a few truckloads of firewood so a family because they can't financially fill a propane tank? How about fix the under pinning on a widows trailer so her pipes don't freeze? Or, send some people some emergency bucks because of a sudden health catastrophe, or work really close with local disaster relief when a tornado comes through... You ought to try something like that. It beats trying to satisfy a conscience by throwing a few shekels into a bottomless pit so you can pay somebody else to deal with "the poooooor" |
Charitable Donations of the Rich Mostly Don't Help the Poor
On 12/17/13, 10:40 PM, Tim wrote:
On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 6:53:35 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 12/17/13, 7:09 AM, Tim wrote: On Monday, December 16, 2013 10:49:09 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: The rich give to help the rich: Hey Harry. Surely you're a charitable man. Instead of gripe about "the rich" why don't you tell us what YOU give and WHO it helps? We give to nonsectarian organizations that help families and individuals in need of shelter, clothing, food, and medical attention. "We give nonsectarian organizations?" How about getting close and personal? Like, pay somebody's back utility bill so they don't get their gas shut off, or buy somebody a cheap but dependable beater car so they can make it to their new job. Donate a few truckloads of firewood so a family because they can't financially fill a propane tank? How about fix the under pinning on a widows trailer so her pipes don't freeze? Or, send some people some emergency bucks because of a sudden health catastrophe, or work really close with local disaster relief when a tornado comes through... You ought to try something like that. It beats trying to satisfy a conscience by throwing a few shekels into a bottomless pit so you can pay somebody else to deal with "the poooooor" So, Tim, what do you tell a family to which you’ve given food because their food stamps were cut because your political party thought it was more important to protect the tax cuts of the rich and subsidies for Big Oil? Are you familiar with Maimonides and the Eight Levels of Charity he outlined? The highest level, he wrote, is to give someone a gift or loan or go into business with him or find him a job so that he no longer has to depend on others. Do you do that or give to a charity that does that? We do. The second highest level is to help those who need it without knowing who the recipient is and without the recipient knowing who you are, because this is considered charity solely for the sake of heaven. That’s how we give . . .anonymously. Oh, wait, I forgot. You don’t pay attention to the Pope because you’re not a Papist and I assume that means you wouldn’t pay attention to Maimonides because he was a Jew. Right? But, wait. You claim to pay attention to Jesus . . . but he was a Jew. Religion… it’s *so* confusing. -- Religion: together we can find the cure. |
Charitable Donations of the Rich Mostly Don't Help the Poor
On 12/18/2013 7:57 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Tim said You ought to try something like that. It beats trying to satisfy a conscience by throwing a few shekels into a bottomless pit so you can pay somebody else to deal with "the poooooor" Harry responds So, Tim, what do you tell a family to which you’ve given food because their food stamps were cut because your political party thought it was more important to protect the tax cuts of the rich and subsidies for Big Oil? I see your point. Politicians are responsible for the level of poverty we are seeing in this country. Why should you have to get personally involved in someone else's business . Throwing a few shekels, from your allowance, into the kettle is the simple, clean way to ease your conscience. I have to agree with Tim. You come across as a douchebag. -- Americans deserve better. |
Charitable Donations of the Rich Mostly Don't Help the Poor
On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 08:35:23 -0500, Hank©
wrote: I see your point. Politicians are responsible for the level of poverty we are seeing in this country. Why should you have to get personally involved in someone else's business . Throwing a few shekels, from your allowance, into the kettle is the simple, clean way to ease your conscience. I have to agree with Tim. You come across as a douchebag. === Hank, that is an insult and discredit to douchebags everywhere. |
Charitable Donations of the Rich Mostly Don't Help the Poor
On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 6:57:23 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/17/13, 10:40 PM, Tim wrote: On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 6:53:35 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 12/17/13, 7:09 AM, Tim wrote: On Monday, December 16, 2013 10:49:09 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: The rich give to help the rich: Hey Harry. Surely you're a charitable man. Instead of gripe about "the rich" why don't you tell us what YOU give and WHO it helps? We give to nonsectarian organizations that help families and individuals in need of shelter, clothing, food, and medical attention. "We give nonsectarian organizations?" How about getting close and personal? Like, pay somebody's back utility bill so they don't get their gas shut off, or buy somebody a cheap but dependable beater car so they can make it to their new job. Donate a few truckloads of firewood so a family because they can't financially fill a propane tank? How about fix the under pinning on a widows trailer so her pipes don't freeze? Or, send some people some emergency bucks because of a sudden health catastrophe, or work really close with local disaster relief when a tornado comes through... You ought to try something like that. It beats trying to satisfy a conscience by throwing a few shekels into a bottomless pit so you can pay somebody else to deal with "the poooooor" So, Tim, what do you tell a family to which you�ve given food because their food stamps were cut because your political party thought it was more important to protect the tax cuts of the rich and subsidies for Big Oil? Really? is that what I'm supposed to do? Give night classes on politics and how it doesn't work? When a person is about to get their lights turned off in the winter because they've run out of unemployment benefits, they couldn't care less who's running the govt. Are you familiar with Maimonides and the Eight Levels of Charity he outlined? I've never heard of the guy. The highest level, he wrote, is to give someone a gift or loan or go into business with him or find him a job so that he no longer has to depend on others. Do you do that or give to a charity that does that? We do. Betcha get a tax write-off too! Did you ever buy someone a car so they could have transportation to a new job so they could get off the dole (or what was left of it) I have. The second highest level is to help those who need it without knowing who the recipient is and without the recipient knowing who you are, because this is considered charity solely for the sake of heaven. That�s how we give . . .anonymously. "solely for the sake of heaven?" gimme a break. "Anonymously?" So you don't want people to know that you give to charities that cream big percentages off the top for "administrative costs?? Oh, wait, I forgot. You don�t pay attention to the Pope because you�re not a Papist and I assume that means you wouldn�t pay attention to Maimonides because he was a Jew. Right? Like I've said, I've never heard of him, but I have heard of Antonio Gramsci. I think you and the Pope have too. But, wait. You claim to pay attention to Jesus . . . but he was a Jew. On that you are correct. Religion� it�s *so* confusing. Not unless you want it to be. |
Charitable Donations of the Rich Mostly Don't Help the Poor
On 12/18/13, 7:15 PM, Tim wrote:
On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 6:57:23 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 12/17/13, 10:40 PM, Tim wrote: On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 6:53:35 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 12/17/13, 7:09 AM, Tim wrote: On Monday, December 16, 2013 10:49:09 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: The rich give to help the rich: Hey Harry. Surely you're a charitable man. Instead of gripe about "the rich" why don't you tell us what YOU give and WHO it helps? We give to nonsectarian organizations that help families and individuals in need of shelter, clothing, food, and medical attention. "We give nonsectarian organizations?" How about getting close and personal? Like, pay somebody's back utility bill so they don't get their gas shut off, or buy somebody a cheap but dependable beater car so they can make it to their new job. Donate a few truckloads of firewood so a family because they can't financially fill a propane tank? How about fix the under pinning on a widows trailer so her pipes don't freeze? Or, send some people some emergency bucks because of a sudden health catastrophe, or work really close with local disaster relief when a tornado comes through... You ought to try something like that. It beats trying to satisfy a conscience by throwing a few shekels into a bottomless pit so you can pay somebody else to deal with "the poooooor" So, Tim, what do you tell a family to which you�ve given food because their food stamps were cut because your political party thought it was more important to protect the tax cuts of the rich and subsidies for Big Oil? Really? is that what I'm supposed to do? Give night classes on politics and how it doesn't work? When a person is about to get their lights turned off in the winter because they've run out of unemployment benefits, they couldn't care less who's running the govt. Are you familiar with Maimonides and the Eight Levels of Charity he outlined? I've never heard of the guy. The highest level, he wrote, is to give someone a gift or loan or go into business with him or find him a job so that he no longer has to depend on others. Do you do that or give to a charity that does that? We do. Betcha get a tax write-off too! Did you ever buy someone a car so they could have transportation to a new job so they could get off the dole (or what was left of it) I have. The second highest level is to help those who need it without knowing who the recipient is and without the recipient knowing who you are, because this is considered charity solely for the sake of heaven. That�s how we give . . .anonymously. "solely for the sake of heaven?" gimme a break. "Anonymously?" So you don't want people to know that you give to charities that cream big percentages off the top for "administrative costs?? Oh, wait, I forgot. You don�t pay attention to the Pope because you�re not a Papist and I assume that means you wouldn�t pay attention to Maimonides because he was a Jew. Right? Like I've said, I've never heard of him, but I have heard of Antonio Gramsci. I think you and the Pope have too. But, wait. You claim to pay attention to Jesus . . . but he was a Jew. On that you are correct. Religion� it�s *so* confusing. Not unless you want it to be. I'm surprised that you have not heard of Maimonides. He was an important "thinker" and "writer" on many subjects in medieval times, and his writings are still influential today. And yes, I am familiar with Gramsci. Many of us "liberal arts types" studied modern European history. You might find the Eight Levels of Charity interesting enough to make you regret the remarks you made about them. The sort of anonymous giving Maimonides described predates your fear of administrative excesses. Here's a reference with a simplified explanation: http://www.chabad.org/library/articl...of-Charity.htm You won't burn in hell, will you, for reading something on a Hasidic site? You probably don't see many Lubavitchers out there where you live. Just don't tell anyone at your church if you look at the site. Sorry to push this Jewish stuff at you. I grew up in a city dominated by Roman and Eastern Catholics and Jews, so naturally I hung out with mostly Catholic and Jewish kids. We didn't encounter many Baptist kids in New Haven. Do the Baptists still try to convert Jews? That must be funny to observe. -- Religion: together we can find the cure. |
Charitable Donations of the Rich Mostly Don't Help the Poor
On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 6:41:55 PM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/18/13, 7:15 PM, Tim wrote: On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 6:57:23 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 12/17/13, 10:40 PM, Tim wrote: On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 6:53:35 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 12/17/13, 7:09 AM, Tim wrote: On Monday, December 16, 2013 10:49:09 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: The rich give to help the rich: Hey Harry. Surely you're a charitable man. Instead of gripe about "the rich" why don't you tell us what YOU give and WHO it helps? We give to nonsectarian organizations that help families and individuals in need of shelter, clothing, food, and medical attention. "We give nonsectarian organizations?" How about getting close and personal? Like, pay somebody's back utility bill so they don't get their gas shut off, or buy somebody a cheap but dependable beater car so they can make it to their new job. Donate a few truckloads of firewood so a family because they can't financially fill a propane tank? How about fix the under pinning on a widows trailer so her pipes don't freeze? Or, send some people some emergency bucks because of a sudden health catastrophe, or work really close with local disaster relief when a tornado comes through... You ought to try something like that. It beats trying to satisfy a conscience by throwing a few shekels into a bottomless pit so you can pay somebody else to deal with "the poooooor" So, Tim, what do you tell a family to which you�ve given food because their food stamps were cut because your political party thought it was more important to protect the tax cuts of the rich and subsidies for Big Oil? Really? is that what I'm supposed to do? Give night classes on politics and how it doesn't work? When a person is about to get their lights turned off in the winter because they've run out of unemployment benefits, they couldn't care less who's running the govt. Are you familiar with Maimonides and the Eight Levels of Charity he outlined? I've never heard of the guy. The highest level, he wrote, is to give someone a gift or loan or go into business with him or find him a job so that he no longer has to depend on others. Do you do that or give to a charity that does that? We do. Betcha get a tax write-off too! Did you ever buy someone a car so they could have transportation to a new job so they could get off the dole (or what was left of it) I have. The second highest level is to help those who need it without knowing who the recipient is and without the recipient knowing who you are, because this is considered charity solely for the sake of heaven. That�s how we give . . .anonymously. "solely for the sake of heaven?" gimme a break. "Anonymously?" So you don't want people to know that you give to charities that cream big percentages off the top for "administrative costs?? Oh, wait, I forgot. You don�t pay attention to the Pope because you�re not a Papist and I assume that means you wouldn�t pay attention to Maimonides because he was a Jew. Right? Like I've said, I've never heard of him, but I have heard of Antonio Gramsci. I think you and the Pope have too. But, wait. You claim to pay attention to Jesus . . . but he was a Jew. On that you are correct. Religion� it�s *so* confusing. Not unless you want it to be. I'm surprised that you have not heard of Maimonides. He was an important "thinker" and "writer" on many subjects in medieval times, and his writings are still influential today. And yes, I am familiar with Gramsci. Many of us "liberal arts types" studied modern European history. As well as "Cultural "Hegemony" and "Gradualism" You might find the Eight Levels of Charity interesting enough to make you regret the remarks you made about them. The sort of anonymous giving You're projecting again Harry. I didn't make any negetgive remarks about them. Why should I seeing i'd never heard of "him" or "them." Maimonides described predates your fear of administrative excesses. I have no 'fear' of it. I'm just against it. Especially when some so-called 'charities' absorb up to some 70% of their budgets in 'administrative costs?" Yeah, that's real efficiency, eh? Here's a reference with a simplified explanation: http://www.chabad.org/library/articl...of-Charity.htm You won't burn in hell, will you, for reading something on a Hasidic site? Oh, no more than you would for eating at a Greek Orthodox food fair. You probably don't see many Lubavitchers out there where you live. Just don't tell anyone at your church if you look at the site. Sorry to push this Jewish stuff at you. I grew up in a city dominated by Roman and Eastern Catholics and Jews, so naturally I hung out with mostly Catholic and Jewish kids. We didn't encounter many Baptist kids in New Haven. Do the Baptists still try to convert Jews? That must be funny to observe. |
Charitable Donations of the Rich Mostly Don't Help the Poor
On 12/18/13, 9:02 PM, Tim wrote:
On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 6:41:55 PM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: Gramsci. Many of us "liberal arts types" studied modern European history. As well as "Cultural "Hegemony" and "Gradualism" Well, of course. After all, America has devolved because of cultural hegemony. You might find the Eight Levels of Charity interesting enough to make you regret the remarks you made about them. The sort of anonymous giving You're projecting again Harry. I didn't make any negetgive remarks about them. Why should I seeing i'd never heard of "him" or "them." Maimonides described predates your fear of administrative excesses. I have no 'fear' of it. I'm just against it. Especially when some so-called 'charities' absorb up to some 70% of their budgets in 'administrative costs?" Yeah, that's real efficiency, eh? It's not difficult to find worthwhile charities that put most of what they get into programs and services. Here's a reference with a simplified explanation: http://www.chabad.org/library/articl...of-Charity.htm You won't burn in hell, will you, for reading something on a Hasidic site? Oh, no more than you would for eating at a Greek Orthodox food fair. I also dance at the Greek fair we attend. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLTBiJsi_Ac And drink a little Greek wine. Do you dance and drink at your church festivals? -- Religion: together we can find the cure. |
Charitable Donations of the Rich Mostly Don't Help the Poor
On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 9:32:51 PM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
I also dance at the Greek fair we attend. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLTBiJsi_Ac Sorry, asshole...you're far too greasy to be dancing...anywhere. |
Charitable Donations of the Rich Mostly Don't Help the Poor
On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:32:51 PM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/18/13, 9:02 PM, Tim wrote: On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 6:41:55 PM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: Gramsci. Many of us "liberal arts types" studied modern European history. As well as "Cultural "Hegemony" and "Gradualism" Well, of course. After all, America has devolved because of cultural hegemony. Well,I don't know about that, but I'm sure it hasn't evolved much You might find the Eight Levels of Charity interesting enough to make you regret the remarks you made about them. The sort of anonymous giving You're projecting again Harry. I didn't make any negetgive remarks about them. Why should I seeing i'd never heard of "him" or "them." Maimonides described predates your fear of administrative excesses. I have no 'fear' of it. I'm just against it. Especially when some so-called 'charities' absorb up to some 70% of their budgets in 'administrative costs?" Yeah, that's real efficiency, eh? It's not difficult to find worthwhile charities that put most of what they get into programs and services. put yourself into it and you know where 100% of it goes Here's a reference with a simplified explanation: http://www.chabad.org/library/articl...of-Charity.htm You won't burn in hell, will you, for reading something on a Hasidic site? Oh, no more than you would for eating at a Greek Orthodox food fair. I also dance at the Greek fair we attend. ok http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLTBiJsi_Ac And drink a little Greek wine. Do you dance and drink at your church festivals? no. am I supposed to? |
Charitable Donations of the Rich Mostly Don't Help the Poor
On 12/18/13, 11:17 PM, Tim wrote:
On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:32:51 PM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 12/18/13, 9:02 PM, Tim wrote: On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 6:41:55 PM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: Gramsci. Many of us "liberal arts types" studied modern European history. As well as "Cultural "Hegemony" and "Gradualism" Well, of course. After all, America has devolved because of cultural hegemony. Well,I don't know about that, but I'm sure it hasn't evolved much You might find the Eight Levels of Charity interesting enough to make you regret the remarks you made about them. The sort of anonymous giving You're projecting again Harry. I didn't make any negetgive remarks about them. Why should I seeing i'd never heard of "him" or "them." Maimonides described predates your fear of administrative excesses. I have no 'fear' of it. I'm just against it. Especially when some so-called 'charities' absorb up to some 70% of their budgets in 'administrative costs?" Yeah, that's real efficiency, eh? It's not difficult to find worthwhile charities that put most of what they get into programs and services. put yourself into it and you know where 100% of it goes Here's a reference with a simplified explanation: http://www.chabad.org/library/articl...of-Charity.htm You won't burn in hell, will you, for reading something on a Hasidic site? Oh, no more than you would for eating at a Greek Orthodox food fair. I also dance at the Greek fair we attend. ok http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLTBiJsi_Ac And drink a little Greek wine. Do you dance and drink at your church festivals? no. am I supposed to? Well, what do the more regular people do at your church festivals? Do they dance and drink a little? Festivals typically are *light* occasions, where folks come together to sing, dance, tell stories, drink a little wine, eat, and have fun. That's the charm of the Greek Orthodox festival, and most of the Roman Catholic and Jewish festivals/weddings/bar mitzvahs, et cetera, I've attended. Your guy Jesus did some of that...he didn't, after all, change water into grape juice at the marriage at Cana, did he? And there are many who believe the last supper was in fact one of the seders Jews hold in conjunction with Passover, and assuredly, if it were such a ceremony, the liquid in the chalice was wine, not water. -- Religion: together we can find the cure. |
Charitable Donations of the Rich Mostly Don't Help the Poor
On Thursday, December 19, 2013 7:06:14 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/18/13, 11:17 PM, Tim wrote: On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:32:51 PM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: Well, what do the more regular people do at your church festivals? Do they dance and drink a little? Festivals typically are *light* occasions, where folks come together to sing, dance, tell stories, drink a little wine, eat, and have fun. That's the charm of the Greek Orthodox festival, and most of the Roman Catholic and Jewish festivals/weddings/bar mitzvahs, et cetera, I've attended. Your guy Jesus did some of that...he didn't, after all, change water into grape juice at the marriage at Cana, did he? And there are many who believe the last supper was in fact one of the seders Jews hold in conjunction with Passover, and assuredly, if it were such a ceremony, the liquid in the chalice was wine, not water. I answered your question Harry. Now what does drinking and dancing at a church bazaar have to do with feeding the poooooor? |
Charitable Donations of the Rich Mostly Don't Help the Poor
On 12/19/13, 8:11 AM, Tim wrote:
On Thursday, December 19, 2013 7:06:14 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 12/18/13, 11:17 PM, Tim wrote: On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:32:51 PM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: Well, what do the more regular people do at your church festivals? Do they dance and drink a little? Festivals typically are *light* occasions, where folks come together to sing, dance, tell stories, drink a little wine, eat, and have fun. That's the charm of the Greek Orthodox festival, and most of the Roman Catholic and Jewish festivals/weddings/bar mitzvahs, et cetera, I've attended. Your guy Jesus did some of that...he didn't, after all, change water into grape juice at the marriage at Cana, did he? And there are many who believe the last supper was in fact one of the seders Jews hold in conjunction with Passover, and assuredly, if it were such a ceremony, the liquid in the chalice was wine, not water. I answered your question Harry. Now what does drinking and dancing at a church bazaar have to do with feeding the poooooor? Perhaps the bazaar is being held to raise funds for legitimate charitable purposes, Tim, such as helping to feed those who need the help, or to finance a medical procedure for someone who needs one, or, well, you get the picture...or you should. You don't sound like the "fun date" to take to a bazaar. What do you do there? -- Religion: together we can find the cure. |
Charitable Donations of the Rich Mostly Don't Help the Poor
On 12/18/2013 11:17 PM, Tim wrote:
On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:32:51 PM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 12/18/13, 9:02 PM, Tim wrote: On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 6:41:55 PM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: Gramsci. Many of us "liberal arts types" studied modern European history. As well as "Cultural "Hegemony" and "Gradualism" Well, of course. After all, America has devolved because of cultural hegemony. Well,I don't know about that, but I'm sure it hasn't evolved much You might find the Eight Levels of Charity interesting enough to make you regret the remarks you made about them. The sort of anonymous giving You're projecting again Harry. I didn't make any negetgive remarks about them. Why should I seeing i'd never heard of "him" or "them." Maimonides described predates your fear of administrative excesses. I have no 'fear' of it. I'm just against it. Especially when some so-called 'charities' absorb up to some 70% of their budgets in 'administrative costs?" Yeah, that's real efficiency, eh? It's not difficult to find worthwhile charities that put most of what they get into programs and services. put yourself into it and you know where 100% of it goes Here's a reference with a simplified explanation: http://www.chabad.org/library/articl...of-Charity.htm You won't burn in hell, will you, for reading something on a Hasidic site? Oh, no more than you would for eating at a Greek Orthodox food fair. I also dance at the Greek fair we attend. ok http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLTBiJsi_Ac And drink a little Greek wine. Do you dance and drink at your church festivals? no. am I supposed to? When Harry dances at his church festival, it is expected that everyone dance at their church festival whether or not dancing or drinking is allowed or encouraged at such events. -- Americans deserve better. |
Charitable Donations of the Rich Mostly Don't Help the Poor
On 12/19/2013 8:06 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/18/13, 11:17 PM, Tim wrote: On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:32:51 PM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 12/18/13, 9:02 PM, Tim wrote: On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 6:41:55 PM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: Gramsci. Many of us "liberal arts types" studied modern European history. As well as "Cultural "Hegemony" and "Gradualism" Well, of course. After all, America has devolved because of cultural hegemony. Well,I don't know about that, but I'm sure it hasn't evolved much You might find the Eight Levels of Charity interesting enough to make you regret the remarks you made about them. The sort of anonymous giving You're projecting again Harry. I didn't make any negetgive remarks about them. Why should I seeing i'd never heard of "him" or "them." Maimonides described predates your fear of administrative excesses. I have no 'fear' of it. I'm just against it. Especially when some so-called 'charities' absorb up to some 70% of their budgets in 'administrative costs?" Yeah, that's real efficiency, eh? It's not difficult to find worthwhile charities that put most of what they get into programs and services. put yourself into it and you know where 100% of it goes Here's a reference with a simplified explanation: http://www.chabad.org/library/articl...of-Charity.htm You won't burn in hell, will you, for reading something on a Hasidic site? Oh, no more than you would for eating at a Greek Orthodox food fair. I also dance at the Greek fair we attend. ok http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLTBiJsi_Ac And drink a little Greek wine. Do you dance and drink at your church festivals? no. am I supposed to? Well, what do the more regular people do at your church festivals? Do they dance and drink a little? Festivals typically are *light* occasions, where folks come together to sing, dance, tell stories, drink a little wine, eat, and have fun. That's the charm of the Greek Orthodox festival, and most of the Roman Catholic and Jewish festivals/weddings/bar mitzvahs, et cetera, I've attended. Your guy Jesus did some of that...he didn't, after all, change water into grape juice at the marriage at Cana, did he? And there are many who believe the last supper was in fact one of the seders Jews hold in conjunction with Passover, and assuredly, if it were such a ceremony, the liquid in the chalice was wine, not water. For a guy who despises religion, you certainly study them and participate vigorously in religious celebrations. What are you searching for? -- Americans deserve better. |
Charitable Donations of the Rich Mostly Don't Help the Poor
On 12/19/2013 8:11 AM, Tim wrote:
On Thursday, December 19, 2013 7:06:14 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 12/18/13, 11:17 PM, Tim wrote: On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:32:51 PM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: Well, what do the more regular people do at your church festivals? Do they dance and drink a little? Festivals typically are *light* occasions, where folks come together to sing, dance, tell stories, drink a little wine, eat, and have fun. That's the charm of the Greek Orthodox festival, and most of the Roman Catholic and Jewish festivals/weddings/bar mitzvahs, et cetera, I've attended. Your guy Jesus did some of that...he didn't, after all, change water into grape juice at the marriage at Cana, did he? And there are many who believe the last supper was in fact one of the seders Jews hold in conjunction with Passover, and assuredly, if it were such a ceremony, the liquid in the chalice was wine, not water. I answered your question Harry. Now what does drinking and dancing at a church bazaar have to do with feeding the poooooor? I think Harry is off on a bender. Don't expect any rational discussion points from him until he settles down and sobers up after the holidays. -- Americans deserve better. |
Charitable Donations of the Rich Mostly Don't Help the Poor
On 12/19/2013 8:27 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/19/13, 8:11 AM, Tim wrote: On Thursday, December 19, 2013 7:06:14 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 12/18/13, 11:17 PM, Tim wrote: On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:32:51 PM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: Well, what do the more regular people do at your church festivals? Do they dance and drink a little? Festivals typically are *light* occasions, where folks come together to sing, dance, tell stories, drink a little wine, eat, and have fun. That's the charm of the Greek Orthodox festival, and most of the Roman Catholic and Jewish festivals/weddings/bar mitzvahs, et cetera, I've attended. Your guy Jesus did some of that...he didn't, after all, change water into grape juice at the marriage at Cana, did he? And there are many who believe the last supper was in fact one of the seders Jews hold in conjunction with Passover, and assuredly, if it were such a ceremony, the liquid in the chalice was wine, not water. I answered your question Harry. Now what does drinking and dancing at a church bazaar have to do with feeding the poooooor? Perhaps the bazaar is being held to raise funds for legitimate charitable purposes, Tim, such as helping to feed those who need the help, or to finance a medical procedure for someone who needs one, or, well, you get the picture...or you should. You don't sound like the "fun date" to take to a bazaar. What do you do there? Remember, your giving goes to non religious "organizations". Don't pretend that your donation to the Greek festival was anything more than an entrance fee. -- Americans deserve better. |
Charitable Donations of the Rich Mostly Don't Help the Poor
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Charitable Donations of the Rich Mostly Don't Help the Poor
On 12/19/2013 12:14 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/19/13, 11:39 AM, wrote: On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 08:48:46 -0500, Hank© wrote: On 12/19/2013 8:27 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 12/19/13, 8:11 AM, Tim wrote: On Thursday, December 19, 2013 7:06:14 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 12/18/13, 11:17 PM, Tim wrote: On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:32:51 PM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: Well, what do the more regular people do at your church festivals? Do they dance and drink a little? Festivals typically are *light* occasions, where folks come together to sing, dance, tell stories, drink a little wine, eat, and have fun. That's the charm of the Greek Orthodox festival, and most of the Roman Catholic and Jewish festivals/weddings/bar mitzvahs, et cetera, I've attended. Your guy Jesus did some of that...he didn't, after all, change water into grape juice at the marriage at Cana, did he? And there are many who believe the last supper was in fact one of the seders Jews hold in conjunction with Passover, and assuredly, if it were such a ceremony, the liquid in the chalice was wine, not water. I answered your question Harry. Now what does drinking and dancing at a church bazaar have to do with feeding the poooooor? Perhaps the bazaar is being held to raise funds for legitimate charitable purposes, Tim, such as helping to feed those who need the help, or to finance a medical procedure for someone who needs one, or, well, you get the picture...or you should. You don't sound like the "fun date" to take to a bazaar. What do you do there? Remember, your giving goes to non religious "organizations". Don't pretend that your donation to the Greek festival was anything more than an entrance fee. With Harry's attitude about gay guys, it does beg the question "Who was his "date" to that "greek" festival. I wonder which pocket he wears that dark blue hanky in. Gee, what do you think my attitude towards "gay guys" is beyond live and let live? It's not as if I am a Republican member of Congress, hanging out in airport bathrooms, or a Republican hater of gays, or a Republican conservative christian hater of gays, eh? Oh, and for your developmentally delayed seventh grade buddy, FlaJim, who I see pooped into this thread, there is no "entrance fee" at the Greek festival. They do sell a lot of properly cooked, homemade Greek meals and delicacies, and there are vendors offering books, olive oil, jewelry, CDs, et cetera. "The Greek festival". Are you saying all Greek festivals have free entry? Properly cooked food, maybe, homemade maybe, but the steam tables do nothing for the food that's been sitting for hours. BTW: You were stunning in the dance video. -- Americans deserve better. |
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