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On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 13:49:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 12/3/2013 12:45 PM, Hank© wrote:
On 12/3/2013 10:18 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/3/2013 10:15 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/3/13, 9:32 AM, True North wrote:



You are an amusing old fart, Johnny.
You are the self assigned leader of talking down to others.
I'd bet it was due to your Lt Colonel rank in the army. You still
expect everyone to salute you.
Well, I will.. but only with one finger.



Half the lieutenant colonels in the Army who stayed in got promoted to
full colonel. Herring stayed in but got passed over for promotion,
probably for insulting one too many "soldier of color."


Doubtful. I don't know about the Army but in the Navy any demonstration
of overt racism would be cause for immediate dismissal from the service,
at least in the years I was "in".


You know why Harry is so ignorant of military policy, don't you?



My understanding is that John was an Army equivalent of a "Mustanger"
meaning he was enlisted, continued school, went to OCS and was
commissioned. That could have occurred well into his military career.
I don't know.

I know that the Navy had several programs whereby an enlisted person
could continue school leading to a commission. Often they became
"Limited Duty Officers" or "LDOs". An LDO was a specialist in a
particular field like electronics or whatever and was not a "Line"
officer meaning they were not eligible for command. Most LDOs in the
Navy never advanced beyond the rank of Lt. Commander.

I was drafted with a high school education. Became an artilleryman. After about a year I applied for
and went to OCS - still with a high school education. During the Vietnam era, a college degree
wasn't required for OCS. After Vietnam, the Army sent me to college, with the proviso that my degree
be 'engineer or engineer related' and that I finish the 84 hours I needed within 21 months. And, I
had to find a school which would state that it accepted the hours I had and could complete the
program leading to the degree in the time allotted. (Later, the Army paid for an MS at USC. VA
picked up the tab for 'almost' another MS at GWU.)

The University of Tampa accepted all I had, 30 hours of which was from the College Level Examination
Program (CLEP). The rest was night courses. I graduated.

The Army then wanted me to get a secondary specialty in operations research/systems analysis (ORSA).
This was, partially, to 'utilize' the education provided by the Army. So, I got my first OR/SA job
at the Army Concepts Analysis Agency. After some more schooling, I went to Korea, to the Combined
Forces Command OR/SA Branch, followed by four years at the Army Personnel Center as the Chief,
Programs Management Branch, another OR/SA job.

Remember, I was trained to be a Combat Engineer, and wore the castles. But, there were no slots for
OR/SA guys in Engineer Battalions, no one wanted a Battalion Commander who'd never been a battalion
operations or executive officer, and without a battalion command, one did not make O-6 as an
Engineer. As a major, I missed the engineer battalion positions completely.

It would be like giving a Navy Commander the command of a ship when he had not been near ship since
he was a junior lieutenant. And, obviously, one doesn't make it to Captain in the navy ship arena
without having some command time somewhere.

Once I made LTC, I knew I would never be promoted to full colonel. There was no way for that to
occur. So, I made the best of the situation, did my job, and enjoyed my time. I did not 'sacrifice'
myself for my career.

There, now everyone knows why I didn't make full Colonel. The Army was good to me. I hold no
grudges. A court action found that my last selection board discriminated against a class of us, and
we received a settlement in excess of $64,000.

Please pass this on to Harry. He can gloat about his much better education, etc.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

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On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 12:51:55 -0500, Hank© wrote:

On 12/3/2013 10:49 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 10:15:07 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 12/3/13, 9:32 AM, True North wrote:
On Tuesday, 3 December 2013 09:05:59 UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 2 Dec 2013 19:32:06 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:



On Monday, 2 December 2013 20:18:09 UTC-4, Califbill wrote:

True North wrote:


Isn't it nice that Uncle Sam keeps you in the lap of luxury with taxpayer dollars.


Isn't it nice the taxpayers keep you in luxury?


No one keeps me in luxury..I worked for a living.


Good Morning, lil' Squirt!!


What did you do for your government? In what type 'work' were you engaged? I'll bet your job was to

be as caustic and derogatory as possible.



How're those gonads coming? You've not displayed any by answering questions on the topics you

brought up.



Honestly, sitting in your little house talking down to others who are hundreds of miles away is not

'courageous'.



Bye, Squirt.



John H. -- Hope you're NOT having a great day!


You are an amusing old fart, Johnny.
You are the self assigned leader of talking down to others.
I'd bet it was due to your Lt Colonel rank in the army. You still expect everyone to salute you.
Well, I will.. but only with one finger.



Half the lieutenant colonels in the Army who stayed in got promoted to
full colonel. Herring stayed in but got passed over for promotion,
probably for insulting one too many "soldier of color."

I'll be the first to admit that I wasn't as 'devoted' to the Army as I could have been. I did have a
lot of fun while a soldier though!

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!


All work and no play makes Johnny a dull boy. ;-)

During my last year in Germany, I put over 20,000 miles on my motorcycle attending Moto Guzzi
rallies all over Europe! During the summer I was taking leave almost every Friday so I could get an
early start to a rally somewhere. The furthest trip was to Stockholm, from Stuttgart. Lots of fun.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

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On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 13:00:12 -0500, Hank© wrote:

On 12/3/2013 10:39 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 3 Dec 2013 06:32:19 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:

On Tuesday, 3 December 2013 09:05:59 UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 2 Dec 2013 19:32:06 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:



On Monday, 2 December 2013 20:18:09 UTC-4, Califbill wrote:

True North wrote:


Isn't it nice that Uncle Sam keeps you in the lap of luxury with taxpayer dollars.

Isn't it nice the taxpayers keep you in luxury?

No one keeps me in luxury..I worked for a living.

Good Morning, lil' Squirt!!

What did you do for your government? In what type 'work' were you engaged? I'll bet your job was to

be as caustic and derogatory as possible.

How're those gonads coming? You've not displayed any by answering questions on the topics you

brought up.



Honestly, sitting in your little house talking down to others who are hundreds of miles away is not

'courageous'.



Bye, Squirt.



John H. -- Hope you're NOT having a great day!


You are an amusing old fart, Johnny.
You are the self assigned leader of talking down to others.
I'd bet it was due to your Lt Colonel rank in the army. You still expect everyone to salute you.
Well, I will.. but only with one finger.

Hi Squirt!

Remember saying this a couple days ago, "Maybe you'll follow my lead, Johnny and drop "the name
calling and childish insults". I responded with, "You got it. No more name calling and childish
insults. Agreed? Both of us, right? And you learn how to spell...right?"

And you responded with - nothing. So, are you ready to 'lead' again? You're the one that said it.
I'm ready to jump on the wagon with you - no more name calling and childish insults (caustic and
derogatory comments included).

Ready to go? Just say the word.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!


Be mindfull of Donnie waving the brown finger. It has the essence of
Harry on it. ;-)

You sure you don't mean his ears?

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

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On 12/3/2013 4:31 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 13:49:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 12/3/2013 12:45 PM, Hank© wrote:
On 12/3/2013 10:18 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/3/2013 10:15 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/3/13, 9:32 AM, True North wrote:



You are an amusing old fart, Johnny.
You are the self assigned leader of talking down to others.
I'd bet it was due to your Lt Colonel rank in the army. You still
expect everyone to salute you.
Well, I will.. but only with one finger.



Half the lieutenant colonels in the Army who stayed in got promoted to
full colonel. Herring stayed in but got passed over for promotion,
probably for insulting one too many "soldier of color."


Doubtful. I don't know about the Army but in the Navy any demonstration
of overt racism would be cause for immediate dismissal from the service,
at least in the years I was "in".


You know why Harry is so ignorant of military policy, don't you?



My understanding is that John was an Army equivalent of a "Mustanger"
meaning he was enlisted, continued school, went to OCS and was
commissioned. That could have occurred well into his military career.
I don't know.

I know that the Navy had several programs whereby an enlisted person
could continue school leading to a commission. Often they became
"Limited Duty Officers" or "LDOs". An LDO was a specialist in a
particular field like electronics or whatever and was not a "Line"
officer meaning they were not eligible for command. Most LDOs in the
Navy never advanced beyond the rank of Lt. Commander.

I was drafted with a high school education. Became an artilleryman. After about a year I applied for
and went to OCS - still with a high school education. During the Vietnam era, a college degree
wasn't required for OCS. After Vietnam, the Army sent me to college, with the proviso that my degree
be 'engineer or engineer related' and that I finish the 84 hours I needed within 21 months. And, I
had to find a school which would state that it accepted the hours I had and could complete the
program leading to the degree in the time allotted. (Later, the Army paid for an MS at USC. VA
picked up the tab for 'almost' another MS at GWU.)

The University of Tampa accepted all I had, 30 hours of which was from the College Level Examination
Program (CLEP). The rest was night courses. I graduated.

The Army then wanted me to get a secondary specialty in operations research/systems analysis (ORSA).
This was, partially, to 'utilize' the education provided by the Army. So, I got my first OR/SA job
at the Army Concepts Analysis Agency. After some more schooling, I went to Korea, to the Combined
Forces Command OR/SA Branch, followed by four years at the Army Personnel Center as the Chief,
Programs Management Branch, another OR/SA job.

Remember, I was trained to be a Combat Engineer, and wore the castles. But, there were no slots for
OR/SA guys in Engineer Battalions, no one wanted a Battalion Commander who'd never been a battalion
operations or executive officer, and without a battalion command, one did not make O-6 as an
Engineer. As a major, I missed the engineer battalion positions completely.

It would be like giving a Navy Commander the command of a ship when he had not been near ship since
he was a junior lieutenant. And, obviously, one doesn't make it to Captain in the navy ship arena
without having some command time somewhere.

Once I made LTC, I knew I would never be promoted to full colonel. There was no way for that to
occur. So, I made the best of the situation, did my job, and enjoyed my time. I did not 'sacrifice'
myself for my career.

There, now everyone knows why I didn't make full Colonel. The Army was good to me. I hold no
grudges. A court action found that my last selection board discriminated against a class of us, and
we received a settlement in excess of $64,000.

Please pass this on to Harry. He can gloat about his much better education, etc.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!




Good going. I share a certain comradeship with those who achieved their
education "the hard way". I know what years of night school and
scrounging around for every credit you can get is like. :-)

I think Harry missed out in some aspects of his education.

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On 12/3/13, 7:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/3/2013 4:31 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 13:49:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/3/2013 12:45 PM, Hank© wrote:
On 12/3/2013 10:18 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/3/2013 10:15 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/3/13, 9:32 AM, True North wrote:



You are an amusing old fart, Johnny.
You are the self assigned leader of talking down to others.
I'd bet it was due to your Lt Colonel rank in the army. You still
expect everyone to salute you.
Well, I will.. but only with one finger.



Half the lieutenant colonels in the Army who stayed in got
promoted to
full colonel. Herring stayed in but got passed over for promotion,
probably for insulting one too many "soldier of color."


Doubtful. I don't know about the Army but in the Navy any
demonstration
of overt racism would be cause for immediate dismissal from the
service,
at least in the years I was "in".


You know why Harry is so ignorant of military policy, don't you?



My understanding is that John was an Army equivalent of a "Mustanger"
meaning he was enlisted, continued school, went to OCS and was
commissioned. That could have occurred well into his military career.
I don't know.

I know that the Navy had several programs whereby an enlisted person
could continue school leading to a commission. Often they became
"Limited Duty Officers" or "LDOs". An LDO was a specialist in a
particular field like electronics or whatever and was not a "Line"
officer meaning they were not eligible for command. Most LDOs in the
Navy never advanced beyond the rank of Lt. Commander.

I was drafted with a high school education. Became an artilleryman.
After about a year I applied for
and went to OCS - still with a high school education. During the
Vietnam era, a college degree
wasn't required for OCS. After Vietnam, the Army sent me to college,
with the proviso that my degree
be 'engineer or engineer related' and that I finish the 84 hours I
needed within 21 months. And, I
had to find a school which would state that it accepted the hours I
had and could complete the
program leading to the degree in the time allotted. (Later, the Army
paid for an MS at USC. VA
picked up the tab for 'almost' another MS at GWU.)

The University of Tampa accepted all I had, 30 hours of which was from
the College Level Examination
Program (CLEP). The rest was night courses. I graduated.

The Army then wanted me to get a secondary specialty in operations
research/systems analysis (ORSA).
This was, partially, to 'utilize' the education provided by the Army.
So, I got my first OR/SA job
at the Army Concepts Analysis Agency. After some more schooling, I
went to Korea, to the Combined
Forces Command OR/SA Branch, followed by four years at the Army
Personnel Center as the Chief,
Programs Management Branch, another OR/SA job.

Remember, I was trained to be a Combat Engineer, and wore the castles.
But, there were no slots for
OR/SA guys in Engineer Battalions, no one wanted a Battalion Commander
who'd never been a battalion
operations or executive officer, and without a battalion command, one
did not make O-6 as an
Engineer. As a major, I missed the engineer battalion positions
completely.

It would be like giving a Navy Commander the command of a ship when he
had not been near ship since
he was a junior lieutenant. And, obviously, one doesn't make it to
Captain in the navy ship arena
without having some command time somewhere.

Once I made LTC, I knew I would never be promoted to full colonel.
There was no way for that to
occur. So, I made the best of the situation, did my job, and enjoyed
my time. I did not 'sacrifice'
myself for my career.

There, now everyone knows why I didn't make full Colonel. The Army was
good to me. I hold no
grudges. A court action found that my last selection board
discriminated against a class of us, and
we received a settlement in excess of $64,000.

Please pass this on to Harry. He can gloat about his much better
education, etc.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!




Good going. I share a certain comradeship with those who achieved their
education "the hard way". I know what years of night school and
scrounging around for every credit you can get is like. :-)

I think Harry missed out in some aspects of his education.




Really? I worked all sorts of jobs during the college year. In the
summers before my junior year, I worked as an apprentice welder, a
loader driver, and in a factory.

My junior year, I was hired as a full time reporter for a major
newspaper...I went to school days and worked five nights a week. Other
than wasting time in the military, what do you think I missed.

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

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On 12/3/2013 8:02 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/3/13, 7:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/3/2013 4:31 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 13:49:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/3/2013 12:45 PM, Hank© wrote:
On 12/3/2013 10:18 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/3/2013 10:15 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/3/13, 9:32 AM, True North wrote:



You are an amusing old fart, Johnny.
You are the self assigned leader of talking down to others.
I'd bet it was due to your Lt Colonel rank in the army. You still
expect everyone to salute you.
Well, I will.. but only with one finger.



Half the lieutenant colonels in the Army who stayed in got
promoted to
full colonel. Herring stayed in but got passed over for promotion,
probably for insulting one too many "soldier of color."


Doubtful. I don't know about the Army but in the Navy any
demonstration
of overt racism would be cause for immediate dismissal from the
service,
at least in the years I was "in".


You know why Harry is so ignorant of military policy, don't you?



My understanding is that John was an Army equivalent of a "Mustanger"
meaning he was enlisted, continued school, went to OCS and was
commissioned. That could have occurred well into his military career.
I don't know.

I know that the Navy had several programs whereby an enlisted person
could continue school leading to a commission. Often they became
"Limited Duty Officers" or "LDOs". An LDO was a specialist in a
particular field like electronics or whatever and was not a "Line"
officer meaning they were not eligible for command. Most LDOs in the
Navy never advanced beyond the rank of Lt. Commander.

I was drafted with a high school education. Became an artilleryman.
After about a year I applied for
and went to OCS - still with a high school education. During the
Vietnam era, a college degree
wasn't required for OCS. After Vietnam, the Army sent me to college,
with the proviso that my degree
be 'engineer or engineer related' and that I finish the 84 hours I
needed within 21 months. And, I
had to find a school which would state that it accepted the hours I
had and could complete the
program leading to the degree in the time allotted. (Later, the Army
paid for an MS at USC. VA
picked up the tab for 'almost' another MS at GWU.)

The University of Tampa accepted all I had, 30 hours of which was from
the College Level Examination
Program (CLEP). The rest was night courses. I graduated.

The Army then wanted me to get a secondary specialty in operations
research/systems analysis (ORSA).
This was, partially, to 'utilize' the education provided by the Army.
So, I got my first OR/SA job
at the Army Concepts Analysis Agency. After some more schooling, I
went to Korea, to the Combined
Forces Command OR/SA Branch, followed by four years at the Army
Personnel Center as the Chief,
Programs Management Branch, another OR/SA job.

Remember, I was trained to be a Combat Engineer, and wore the castles.
But, there were no slots for
OR/SA guys in Engineer Battalions, no one wanted a Battalion Commander
who'd never been a battalion
operations or executive officer, and without a battalion command, one
did not make O-6 as an
Engineer. As a major, I missed the engineer battalion positions
completely.

It would be like giving a Navy Commander the command of a ship when he
had not been near ship since
he was a junior lieutenant. And, obviously, one doesn't make it to
Captain in the navy ship arena
without having some command time somewhere.

Once I made LTC, I knew I would never be promoted to full colonel.
There was no way for that to
occur. So, I made the best of the situation, did my job, and enjoyed
my time. I did not 'sacrifice'
myself for my career.

There, now everyone knows why I didn't make full Colonel. The Army was
good to me. I hold no
grudges. A court action found that my last selection board
discriminated against a class of us, and
we received a settlement in excess of $64,000.

Please pass this on to Harry. He can gloat about his much better
education, etc.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!




Good going. I share a certain comradeship with those who achieved their
education "the hard way". I know what years of night school and
scrounging around for every credit you can get is like. :-)

I think Harry missed out in some aspects of his education.




Really? I worked all sorts of jobs during the college year. In the
summers before my junior year, I worked as an apprentice welder, a
loader driver, and in a factory.

My junior year, I was hired as a full time reporter for a major
newspaper...I went to school days and worked five nights a week. Other
than wasting time in the military, what do you think I missed.


Not trying to avoid the question but you would never understand the
answer. It's not worth the effort.

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On 12/3/2013 9:02 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 16:14:05 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

There were many Navy LDOs in the electronics fields mainly because the
enlisted ET schools that they graduated from were so good. For purposes
of the Navy they made better division officers than a university grad
with a electronics related degree who then joined and received a
commission in the Navy.


More malleable, less likely to question authority, know how to spitshine
shoes and march in them. :)

Again your overpriced education has failed you. They don't have a lot
of that spit shine crap in a Navy electronics school, certainly
nothing like an academy or even a gung ho ROTC unit.

They are giving you knowledge at a much faster tempo that you got in
college and there were consequences for failure.
They don't waste a lot of time with the Gomer Pyle stuff



It has been awhile but I attended both branches of the old Navy "ET"
school (both the communications branch and the radar branch). For a
while I was one of a few that were both an "ETN" and an "ETR" at the
same time. I also took many courses at civilian colleges and
universities while in the Navy and after I left military service.

The Navy ET school typically covered a particular subject in two - three
weeks that the university curriculum would cover in a semester. The Navy
school also often covered the material in more depth. It is (or was) a
very intense but efficient method of teaching electronic circuit
design, function and troubleshooting techniques down to the component
level.

Not to brag but the college and university courses I took over the years
that were electronics related were a breeze for me thanks to the Navy
schools. I had more trouble with Accounting II.

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"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 12/3/2013 8:02 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/3/13, 7:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/3/2013 4:31 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 13:49:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/3/2013 12:45 PM, Hank© wrote:
On 12/3/2013 10:18 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/3/2013 10:15 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/3/13, 9:32 AM, True North wrote:



You are an amusing old fart, Johnny.
You are the self assigned leader of talking down to others.
I'd bet it was due to your Lt Colonel rank in the army. You still
expect everyone to salute you.
Well, I will.. but only with one finger.



Half the lieutenant colonels in the Army who stayed in got
promoted to
full colonel. Herring stayed in but got passed over for promotion,
probably for insulting one too many "soldier of color."


Doubtful. I don't know about the Army but in the Navy any
demonstration
of overt racism would be cause for immediate dismissal from the
service,
at least in the years I was "in".


You know why Harry is so ignorant of military policy, don't you?



My understanding is that John was an Army equivalent of a "Mustanger"
meaning he was enlisted, continued school, went to OCS and was
commissioned. That could have occurred well into his military career.
I don't know.

I know that the Navy had several programs whereby an enlisted person
could continue school leading to a commission. Often they became
"Limited Duty Officers" or "LDOs". An LDO was a specialist in a
particular field like electronics or whatever and was not a "Line"
officer meaning they were not eligible for command. Most LDOs in the
Navy never advanced beyond the rank of Lt. Commander.

I was drafted with a high school education. Became an artilleryman.
After about a year I applied for
and went to OCS - still with a high school education. During the
Vietnam era, a college degree
wasn't required for OCS. After Vietnam, the Army sent me to college,
with the proviso that my degree
be 'engineer or engineer related' and that I finish the 84 hours I
needed within 21 months. And, I
had to find a school which would state that it accepted the hours I
had and could complete the
program leading to the degree in the time allotted. (Later, the Army
paid for an MS at USC. VA
picked up the tab for 'almost' another MS at GWU.)

The University of Tampa accepted all I had, 30 hours of which was from
the College Level Examination
Program (CLEP). The rest was night courses. I graduated.

The Army then wanted me to get a secondary specialty in operations
research/systems analysis (ORSA).
This was, partially, to 'utilize' the education provided by the Army.
So, I got my first OR/SA job
at the Army Concepts Analysis Agency. After some more schooling, I
went to Korea, to the Combined
Forces Command OR/SA Branch, followed by four years at the Army
Personnel Center as the Chief,
Programs Management Branch, another OR/SA job.

Remember, I was trained to be a Combat Engineer, and wore the castles.
But, there were no slots for
OR/SA guys in Engineer Battalions, no one wanted a Battalion Commander
who'd never been a battalion
operations or executive officer, and without a battalion command, one
did not make O-6 as an
Engineer. As a major, I missed the engineer battalion positions
completely.

It would be like giving a Navy Commander the command of a ship when he
had not been near ship since
he was a junior lieutenant. And, obviously, one doesn't make it to
Captain in the navy ship arena
without having some command time somewhere.

Once I made LTC, I knew I would never be promoted to full colonel.
There was no way for that to
occur. So, I made the best of the situation, did my job, and enjoyed
my time. I did not 'sacrifice'
myself for my career.

There, now everyone knows why I didn't make full Colonel. The Army was
good to me. I hold no
grudges. A court action found that my last selection board
discriminated against a class of us, and
we received a settlement in excess of $64,000.

Please pass this on to Harry. He can gloat about his much better
education, etc.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!




Good going. I share a certain comradeship with those who achieved their
education "the hard way". I know what years of night school and
scrounging around for every credit you can get is like. :-)

I think Harry missed out in some aspects of his education.




Really? I worked all sorts of jobs during the college year. In the
summers before my junior year, I worked as an apprentice welder, a
loader driver, and in a factory.

My junior year, I was hired as a full time reporter for a major
newspaper...I went to school days and worked five nights a week. Other
than wasting time in the military, what do you think I missed.


Not trying to avoid the question but you would never understand the
answer. It's not worth the effort.

The military? Ha!

Health Care...
 

On 12/3/2013 8:02 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:

On 12/3/13, 7:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

On 12/3/2013 4:31 PM, John H. wrote:


Please pass this on to Harry. He can gloat about his much better
education, etc.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!


Good going. I share a certain comradeship with those who achieved their
education "the hard way". I know what years of night school and
scrounging around for every credit you can get is like. :-)

I think Harry missed out in some aspects of his education.



Really? I worked all sorts of jobs during the college year. In the
summers before my junior year, I worked as an apprentice welder, a
loader driver, and in a factory.

My junior year, I was hired as a full time reporter for a major
newspaper...I went to school days and worked five nights a week. Other
than wasting time in the military, what do you think I missed.


You may not understand ... in fact I am sure you don't ... what I am
referring to.

I know many Vets. Not as many as non-vets, but still a fairly
significant number.

Without exception, not a *single one* considers their time in military
service as being a "waste of time". This is especially true the older
you get and the more distant the military service time becomes. You
begin to realize how the military service experience assisted and
benefited you in pursuit of civilian goals in ways that are not obvious
or can be graded.

Some of the Vets I know are (or were) blue-collar work-a-bees in their
civilian careers. Some were tradesmen. Many were college educated
engineers. Some were business majors. Two are teachers. One is a lawyer.
At least one I knew had two PhD's and would make you and I seem to be
dunces in terms of intelligence.

So, obviously, you missed something in your education. You've obviously
done well but you really are not qualified to determine that military
service is a "waste of time".

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On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 19:52:07 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 12/3/2013 4:31 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 13:49:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 12/3/2013 12:45 PM, Hank© wrote:
On 12/3/2013 10:18 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/3/2013 10:15 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/3/13, 9:32 AM, True North wrote:



You are an amusing old fart, Johnny.
You are the self assigned leader of talking down to others.
I'd bet it was due to your Lt Colonel rank in the army. You still
expect everyone to salute you.
Well, I will.. but only with one finger.



Half the lieutenant colonels in the Army who stayed in got promoted to
full colonel. Herring stayed in but got passed over for promotion,
probably for insulting one too many "soldier of color."


Doubtful. I don't know about the Army but in the Navy any demonstration
of overt racism would be cause for immediate dismissal from the service,
at least in the years I was "in".


You know why Harry is so ignorant of military policy, don't you?



My understanding is that John was an Army equivalent of a "Mustanger"
meaning he was enlisted, continued school, went to OCS and was
commissioned. That could have occurred well into his military career.
I don't know.

I know that the Navy had several programs whereby an enlisted person
could continue school leading to a commission. Often they became
"Limited Duty Officers" or "LDOs". An LDO was a specialist in a
particular field like electronics or whatever and was not a "Line"
officer meaning they were not eligible for command. Most LDOs in the
Navy never advanced beyond the rank of Lt. Commander.

I was drafted with a high school education. Became an artilleryman. After about a year I applied for
and went to OCS - still with a high school education. During the Vietnam era, a college degree
wasn't required for OCS. After Vietnam, the Army sent me to college, with the proviso that my degree
be 'engineer or engineer related' and that I finish the 84 hours I needed within 21 months. And, I
had to find a school which would state that it accepted the hours I had and could complete the
program leading to the degree in the time allotted. (Later, the Army paid for an MS at USC. VA
picked up the tab for 'almost' another MS at GWU.)

The University of Tampa accepted all I had, 30 hours of which was from the College Level Examination
Program (CLEP). The rest was night courses. I graduated.

The Army then wanted me to get a secondary specialty in operations research/systems analysis (ORSA).
This was, partially, to 'utilize' the education provided by the Army. So, I got my first OR/SA job
at the Army Concepts Analysis Agency. After some more schooling, I went to Korea, to the Combined
Forces Command OR/SA Branch, followed by four years at the Army Personnel Center as the Chief,
Programs Management Branch, another OR/SA job.

Remember, I was trained to be a Combat Engineer, and wore the castles. But, there were no slots for
OR/SA guys in Engineer Battalions, no one wanted a Battalion Commander who'd never been a battalion
operations or executive officer, and without a battalion command, one did not make O-6 as an
Engineer. As a major, I missed the engineer battalion positions completely.

It would be like giving a Navy Commander the command of a ship when he had not been near ship since
he was a junior lieutenant. And, obviously, one doesn't make it to Captain in the navy ship arena
without having some command time somewhere.

Once I made LTC, I knew I would never be promoted to full colonel. There was no way for that to
occur. So, I made the best of the situation, did my job, and enjoyed my time. I did not 'sacrifice'
myself for my career.

There, now everyone knows why I didn't make full Colonel. The Army was good to me. I hold no
grudges. A court action found that my last selection board discriminated against a class of us, and
we received a settlement in excess of $64,000.

Please pass this on to Harry. He can gloat about his much better education, etc.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!




Good going. I share a certain comradeship with those who achieved their
education "the hard way". I know what years of night school and
scrounging around for every credit you can get is like. :-)

I think Harry missed out in some aspects of his education.


I took Accounting 1at night in Vietnam. I was able to make two of the ten or so classes. The
instructor let me take the final exam, which I somehow passed. Those were the fun days!

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!