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Mr. Luddite November 21st 13 09:38 PM

New Comcast feature
 

Comcast just enabled a new feature on our home wifi system. You have
to have the new, updated equipment and modem/router that is provided by
them for it to work.

What they do is enable your wifi router to transmit and receive another
independent signal. It shows up as "XFINITYWiFi" on your computer
available networks list, iPad or cell phone. It is unsecured and doesn't
interfere with your existing, secured connection, nor does it slow
anything down. Anyone signed onto it is *not* connected to your
existing, secured network, so they can't access any file sharing or
anything you have set up on your network.

It's designed to allow guests, visitors or anyone within receiving range
of the signal to access the Internet and email virtually anywhere as
long as you are a Comcast customer. It means that once they upgrade
everyone, you could drive down the street and access the Internet
anywhere there is a home WiFi system provided by Comcast. That's a lot
of free "hot spots" in our area since Comcast dominates the cable TV and
Internet market in our area.

In our case nobody driving on the road will benefit from our house
because we are too far from the road for them to get the signal. But
in most areas with houses close to the road, you should be able to
access the internet everywhere. It can also be used by house guests and
visitors as long as they have a Comcast account.

When you first connect to it, it doesn't indicate that you have Internet
access. Says "local only". But, if you open a browser, it takes you to
a Comcast page where you enter your user name (or Comcast email address)
and your password. You only have to do this once per device. Once
you've done that, you have full access to the Internet.

You can also request that this capability be disabled on your
modem/router if you don't want it. Personally, I think it's pretty cool
and a clever way to make Internet access available to Comcast account
holders almost everywhere.

Funny, not too long ago it was a big deal to be "stealing" someone
else's WiFi connection. Now they are encouraging it.






Mr. Luddite November 21st 13 10:45 PM

New Comcast feature
 
On 11/21/2013 5:26 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:38:18 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Comcast just enabled a new feature on our home wifi system. You have
to have the new, updated equipment and modem/router that is provided by
them for it to work.

What they do is enable your wifi router to transmit and receive another
independent signal. It shows up as "XFINITYWiFi" on your computer
available networks list, iPad or cell phone. It is unsecured and doesn't
interfere with your existing, secured connection, nor does it slow
anything down. Anyone signed onto it is *not* connected to your
existing, secured network, so they can't access any file sharing or
anything you have set up on your network.

I have that at my house, simply by putting the DSL wifi router in
front of the router I already had.
Both are secured tho.

I really don't use WiFi on my home network so I have the WiFi turned
off on that router and guests go directly to the DSL WiFi



The "guest/visitor" use feature is nice, but it's obviously not the
primary reason for this new feature.

Comcast is the largest cable/Internet service provider in the US. They
have about 15 million Internet service customers nationwide with almost
double that with cable TV service.

By using their customer based WiFi modem/router with the dual channel
capability, they are basically establishing up to 15 million new
"hotspots" for Comcast Internet customers.



F.O.A.D. November 21st 13 10:55 PM

New Comcast feature
 
On 11/21/13, 5:45 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/21/2013 5:26 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:38:18 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Comcast just enabled a new feature on our home wifi system. You have
to have the new, updated equipment and modem/router that is provided by
them for it to work.

What they do is enable your wifi router to transmit and receive another
independent signal. It shows up as "XFINITYWiFi" on your computer
available networks list, iPad or cell phone. It is unsecured and doesn't
interfere with your existing, secured connection, nor does it slow
anything down. Anyone signed onto it is *not* connected to your
existing, secured network, so they can't access any file sharing or
anything you have set up on your network.

I have that at my house, simply by putting the DSL wifi router in
front of the router I already had.
Both are secured tho.

I really don't use WiFi on my home network so I have the WiFi turned
off on that router and guests go directly to the DSL WiFi



The "guest/visitor" use feature is nice, but it's obviously not the
primary reason for this new feature.

Comcast is the largest cable/Internet service provider in the US. They
have about 15 million Internet service customers nationwide with almost
double that with cable TV service.

By using their customer based WiFi modem/router with the dual channel
capability, they are basically establishing up to 15 million new
"hotspots" for Comcast Internet customers.



We have some Comcast hotspots around here, but I've never tried to use
any. Panera and a couple of other lunch spots have free wifi. If I am in
the car and need to check email, I just use the 4G data signal.

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

KC November 21st 13 11:25 PM

New Comcast feature
 
On 11/21/2013 6:20 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:45:03 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/21/2013 5:26 PM,
wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:38:18 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Comcast just enabled a new feature on our home wifi system. You have
to have the new, updated equipment and modem/router that is provided by
them for it to work.

What they do is enable your wifi router to transmit and receive another
independent signal. It shows up as "XFINITYWiFi" on your computer
available networks list, iPad or cell phone. It is unsecured and doesn't
interfere with your existing, secured connection, nor does it slow
anything down. Anyone signed onto it is *not* connected to your
existing, secured network, so they can't access any file sharing or
anything you have set up on your network.
I have that at my house, simply by putting the DSL wifi router in
front of the router I already had.
Both are secured tho.

I really don't use WiFi on my home network so I have the WiFi turned
off on that router and guests go directly to the DSL WiFi



The "guest/visitor" use feature is nice, but it's obviously not the
primary reason for this new feature.

Comcast is the largest cable/Internet service provider in the US. They
have about 15 million Internet service customers nationwide with almost
double that with cable TV service.

By using their customer based WiFi modem/router with the dual channel
capability, they are basically establishing up to 15 million new
"hotspots" for Comcast Internet customers.


If this is an unsecured WiFi they are not creating any customers.
What keeps the neighbors or anyone war driving down the road from
getting in?
I would be a little worried about which IP this comes back to ...
yours?



Wonder how much the NSA is paying them to track everybody for them:)


F.O.A.D. November 21st 13 11:26 PM

New Comcast feature
 
On 11/21/13, 6:25 PM, KC wrote:
On 11/21/2013 6:20 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:45:03 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/21/2013 5:26 PM,
wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:38:18 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Comcast just enabled a new feature on our home wifi system. You have
to have the new, updated equipment and modem/router that is
provided by
them for it to work.

What they do is enable your wifi router to transmit and receive
another
independent signal. It shows up as "XFINITYWiFi" on your computer
available networks list, iPad or cell phone. It is unsecured and
doesn't
interfere with your existing, secured connection, nor does it slow
anything down. Anyone signed onto it is *not* connected to your
existing, secured network, so they can't access any file sharing or
anything you have set up on your network.
I have that at my house, simply by putting the DSL wifi router in
front of the router I already had.
Both are secured tho.

I really don't use WiFi on my home network so I have the WiFi turned
off on that router and guests go directly to the DSL WiFi



The "guest/visitor" use feature is nice, but it's obviously not the
primary reason for this new feature.

Comcast is the largest cable/Internet service provider in the US. They
have about 15 million Internet service customers nationwide with almost
double that with cable TV service.

By using their customer based WiFi modem/router with the dual channel
capability, they are basically establishing up to 15 million new
"hotspots" for Comcast Internet customers.


If this is an unsecured WiFi they are not creating any customers.
What keeps the neighbors or anyone war driving down the road from
getting in?
I would be a little worried about which IP this comes back to ...
yours?



Wonder how much the NSA is paying them to track everybody for them:)


You're the only one on your block being tracked, but it's not by the NSA.

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

Mr. Luddite November 22nd 13 01:07 AM

New Comcast feature
 
On 11/21/2013 6:20 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:45:03 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/21/2013 5:26 PM,
wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:38:18 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Comcast just enabled a new feature on our home wifi system. You have
to have the new, updated equipment and modem/router that is provided by
them for it to work.

What they do is enable your wifi router to transmit and receive another
independent signal. It shows up as "XFINITYWiFi" on your computer
available networks list, iPad or cell phone. It is unsecured and doesn't
interfere with your existing, secured connection, nor does it slow
anything down. Anyone signed onto it is *not* connected to your
existing, secured network, so they can't access any file sharing or
anything you have set up on your network.
I have that at my house, simply by putting the DSL wifi router in
front of the router I already had.
Both are secured tho.

I really don't use WiFi on my home network so I have the WiFi turned
off on that router and guests go directly to the DSL WiFi



The "guest/visitor" use feature is nice, but it's obviously not the
primary reason for this new feature.

Comcast is the largest cable/Internet service provider in the US. They
have about 15 million Internet service customers nationwide with almost
double that with cable TV service.

By using their customer based WiFi modem/router with the dual channel
capability, they are basically establishing up to 15 million new
"hotspots" for Comcast Internet customers.


If this is an unsecured WiFi they are not creating any customers.
What keeps the neighbors or anyone war driving down the road from
getting in?
I would be a little worried about which IP this comes back to ...
yours?





That's the whole point of the system. Making millions of new hotspots
for use by anyone who already has a Comcast account.

As far as the IP address, I just spent an hour on the phone trying to
find out the answer to that question. It's a good one. I talked to 7
different Comcast "Account Executives" and none of them had a clue what
I was talking about. I was finally transferred to a geek type who knew
exactly what this new system feature is and could answer the question
definitively:

The second signal being broadcast from your home WiFi router is totally
separate from the primary, secured channel and has it's own, unique IP
address.

This is a very new system and feature. Apparently we are one of the
first in our area to have it. The Comcast geek who I was finally
connected to told me that I was the first one to call with the IP
address question and they are going to add it to the newly created FAQs
on the Comcast website.

I asked a friend who lives a couple of towns from me to see if his
computer could see "XFINITYWiFi" as an available, unsecured network. It
did, however the signal was too low to be usable, so it was not coming
from a house close to him.

We recently had our whole Comcast system upgraded. I received an email
yesterday about this new feature yesterday and tried it. It works. I
understand the reasons Comcast has for offering it and I think it's great.



Mr. Luddite November 22nd 13 01:45 AM

New Comcast feature
 
On 11/21/2013 6:25 PM, KC wrote:
On 11/21/2013 6:20 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:45:03 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/21/2013 5:26 PM,
wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:38:18 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Comcast just enabled a new feature on our home wifi system. You have
to have the new, updated equipment and modem/router that is
provided by
them for it to work.

What they do is enable your wifi router to transmit and receive
another
independent signal. It shows up as "XFINITYWiFi" on your computer
available networks list, iPad or cell phone. It is unsecured and
doesn't
interfere with your existing, secured connection, nor does it slow
anything down. Anyone signed onto it is *not* connected to your
existing, secured network, so they can't access any file sharing or
anything you have set up on your network.
I have that at my house, simply by putting the DSL wifi router in
front of the router I already had.
Both are secured tho.

I really don't use WiFi on my home network so I have the WiFi turned
off on that router and guests go directly to the DSL WiFi



The "guest/visitor" use feature is nice, but it's obviously not the
primary reason for this new feature.

Comcast is the largest cable/Internet service provider in the US. They
have about 15 million Internet service customers nationwide with almost
double that with cable TV service.

By using their customer based WiFi modem/router with the dual channel
capability, they are basically establishing up to 15 million new
"hotspots" for Comcast Internet customers.


If this is an unsecured WiFi they are not creating any customers.
What keeps the neighbors or anyone war driving down the road from
getting in?
I would be a little worried about which IP this comes back to ...
yours?



Wonder how much the NSA is paying them to track everybody for them:)


You need a new tin hat. Yours is getting porous.

True North[_2_] November 22nd 13 02:20 AM

New Comcast feature
 
On Thursday, 21 November 2013 19:26:46 UTC-4, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/21/13, 6:25 PM, KC wrote:

On 11/21/2013 6:20 PM, wrote:


On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:45:03 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"


wrote:




On 11/21/2013 5:26 PM,
wrote:

On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:38:18 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"


wrote:






Comcast just enabled a new feature on our home wifi system. You have


to have the new, updated equipment and modem/router that is


provided by


them for it to work.




What they do is enable your wifi router to transmit and receive


another


independent signal. It shows up as "XFINITYWiFi" on your computer


available networks list, iPad or cell phone. It is unsecured and


doesn't


interfere with your existing, secured connection, nor does it slow


anything down. Anyone signed onto it is *not* connected to your


existing, secured network, so they can't access any file sharing or


anything you have set up on your network.


I have that at my house, simply by putting the DSL wifi router in


front of the router I already had.


Both are secured tho.




I really don't use WiFi on my home network so I have the WiFi turned


off on that router and guests go directly to the DSL WiFi








The "guest/visitor" use feature is nice, but it's obviously not the


primary reason for this new feature.




Comcast is the largest cable/Internet service provider in the US. They


have about 15 million Internet service customers nationwide with almost


double that with cable TV service.




By using their customer based WiFi modem/router with the dual channel


capability, they are basically establishing up to 15 million new


"hotspots" for Comcast Internet customers.






If this is an unsecured WiFi they are not creating any customers.


What keeps the neighbors or anyone war driving down the road from


getting in?


I would be a little worried about which IP this comes back to ...


yours?








Wonder how much the NSA is paying them to track everybody for them:)






You're the only one on your block being tracked, but it's not by the NSA.



Hopefully, it's by the South Windsor Police Dept.

Mr. Luddite November 22nd 13 02:38 AM

New Comcast feature
 
On 11/21/2013 8:43 PM, wrote:



I guess I am still confused.. If this is really an unsecured WiFi how
do they restrict it to Comcast customers only?

BTW if you want to know what IP you are on there are dozens of sites
that will show you what you are reporting.
GRC.COM is a good one. Shields up (on that site) will also probe your
machine to give you an idea about how well your firewall is working.



Here's how it works:

If your device (computer, smart phone, iPad or whatever) detects a
"XFINITYWiFi" signal as an available network, you connect to it.

At first it doesn't appear to connect to anything. In fact, my computer
initially reported "Local access only, no Internet connection" meaning
the computer is talking to the router/modem but is not connected to the
Internet.

You then open whatever browser you use. It will automatically open to a
Comcast Xfinity website page used for this system.

You enter your Comcast email address and your Comcast account password.

It then reports you are connected to the Internet and you can open
whatever website you want or use your email server. It's appears to be
exactly the same as being connected to your regular Internet connection
except it's not a WPS protected, secure network.

You only have to do this procedure once per device. Once you've done
it, you can connect to any "XFINITYWiFi" signal anywhere without having
to enter your Comcast account info again.

I *think* (but am not sure) that once connected to XFINITYWiFi it may
allow a seamless transfer of that connection from location to location
as long as there are no signal dropouts in between. XFINITYWiFi is the
same connection in my house as it is in someone else's house 10 miles
away (assuming they have the service). If enough houses in between are
broadcasting the second channel "XFINITYWiFi" signal, you could
theoretically drive the 10 miles and stay connected. Again, I am not
sure about this and I forgot to ask the Comcast geek, but from reading
the info about it, I think that's how it will work when fully deployed.

Comcast is pushing it for streaming movies, music, etc., as well as
typical browser and email use.

I can confirm one thing. Since the recent upgrades to our system and
the new, Comcast provided combination modem/router, our Internet access
speed has increased dramatically. I've never experienced this speed
before. Comcast is advertising it as being up to 3 times faster than Fios.

Final note:

I was getting disgusted and frustrated with Comcast over the past few
months because our service was deteriorating and getting unreliable. It
turns out that the older modem/router we had and the distribution
amplifiers were not capable of supporting the upgraded service and
higher speeds Comcast is in the process of installing. Once they
replaced everything with new equipment, it has been excellent.









KC November 22nd 13 04:41 AM

New Comcast feature
 
On 11/21/2013 8:45 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/21/2013 6:25 PM, KC wrote:
On 11/21/2013 6:20 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:45:03 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/21/2013 5:26 PM,
wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:38:18 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Comcast just enabled a new feature on our home wifi system. You
have
to have the new, updated equipment and modem/router that is
provided by
them for it to work.

What they do is enable your wifi router to transmit and receive
another
independent signal. It shows up as "XFINITYWiFi" on your computer
available networks list, iPad or cell phone. It is unsecured and
doesn't
interfere with your existing, secured connection, nor does it slow
anything down. Anyone signed onto it is *not* connected to your
existing, secured network, so they can't access any file sharing or
anything you have set up on your network.
I have that at my house, simply by putting the DSL wifi router in
front of the router I already had.
Both are secured tho.

I really don't use WiFi on my home network so I have the WiFi turned
off on that router and guests go directly to the DSL WiFi



The "guest/visitor" use feature is nice, but it's obviously not the
primary reason for this new feature.

Comcast is the largest cable/Internet service provider in the US. They
have about 15 million Internet service customers nationwide with almost
double that with cable TV service.

By using their customer based WiFi modem/router with the dual channel
capability, they are basically establishing up to 15 million new
"hotspots" for Comcast Internet customers.


If this is an unsecured WiFi they are not creating any customers.
What keeps the neighbors or anyone war driving down the road from
getting in?
I would be a little worried about which IP this comes back to ...
yours?



Wonder how much the NSA is paying them to track everybody for them:)


You need a new tin hat. Yours is getting porous.


Listen Dick... We already know they are paying ATT and others for
"logistics", why would you think this more complete map of every ones
traveles would not be a great prize for them? Seriously, do you think
the NSA hasn't looked at the possibility of watching folks move through
areas via tracking them???

I know it gave you a good excuse to dismiss and bully me, but really,
think about the question, then get back with me...

Mr. Luddite November 22nd 13 06:56 AM

New Comcast feature
 
On 11/21/2013 11:16 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 21:38:21 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

You then open whatever browser you use. It will automatically open to a
Comcast Xfinity website page used for this system.

You enter your Comcast email address and your Comcast account password.


OK, it makes sense now.
I will have to tell my wife about this. She has a comcast account from
work. I suppose I could get one too if I wanted one. I already have a
Comcast Email address but I think it is deactivated (or I just forgot
the password) Email sent to it does not bounce tho.
Maybe I will try a password reset with one of their customer numbers.

I guess they track back to you from your reverse DNS.



I'd check first to see if it's available in your area. It's a really
new feature and is not available everywhere yet. The Comcast guy told
me we are in one of the first areas of the country that it is being set
up and it was virtually only one day old as of yesterday. It somewhat
explains why the other 7 people I talked to at Comcast had never heard
of it.

As far as transmitting the second WiFi channel, it can only be done with
Comcast provided modem/routers. If you bought and installed one from
Best Buy or anywhere else, it won't transmit the second channel.





Mr. Luddite November 22nd 13 07:02 AM

New Comcast feature
 
On 11/21/2013 11:41 PM, KC wrote:

On 11/21/2013 8:45 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/21/2013 6:25 PM, KC wrote:
On 11/21/2013 6:20 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:45:03 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/21/2013 5:26 PM,
wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:38:18 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:


Comcast just enabled a new feature on our home wifi system. You
have
to have the new, updated equipment and modem/router that is
provided by
them for it to work.

What they do is enable your wifi router to transmit and receive
another
independent signal. It shows up as "XFINITYWiFi" on your computer
available networks list, iPad or cell phone. It is unsecured and
doesn't
interfere with your existing, secured connection, nor does it slow
anything down. Anyone signed onto it is *not* connected to your
existing, secured network, so they can't access any file sharing or
anything you have set up on your network.
I have that at my house, simply by putting the DSL wifi router in
front of the router I already had.
Both are secured tho.

I really don't use WiFi on my home network so I have the WiFi turned
off on that router and guests go directly to the DSL WiFi



The "guest/visitor" use feature is nice, but it's obviously not the
primary reason for this new feature.

Comcast is the largest cable/Internet service provider in the US.
They
have about 15 million Internet service customers nationwide with
almost
double that with cable TV service.

By using their customer based WiFi modem/router with the dual channel
capability, they are basically establishing up to 15 million new
"hotspots" for Comcast Internet customers.


If this is an unsecured WiFi they are not creating any customers.
What keeps the neighbors or anyone war driving down the road from
getting in?
I would be a little worried about which IP this comes back to ...
yours?




Wonder how much the NSA is paying them to track everybody for them:)



You need a new tin hat. Yours is getting porous.




Listen Dick... We already know they are paying ATT and others for
"logistics", why would you think this more complete map of every ones
traveles would not be a great prize for them? Seriously, do you think
the NSA hasn't looked at the possibility of watching folks move through
areas via tracking them???

I know it gave you a good excuse to dismiss and bully me, but really,
think about the question, then get back with me...




Ok. I did. I think you are a paranoid nutcase.

Mr. Luddite November 22nd 13 07:10 AM

New Comcast feature
 
On 11/22/2013 12:14 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 23:41:58 -0500, KC wrote:

On 11/21/2013 8:45 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


You need a new tin hat. Yours is getting porous.


Listen Dick... We already know they are paying ATT and others for
"logistics", why would you think this more complete map of every ones
traveles would not be a great prize for them? Seriously, do you think
the NSA hasn't looked at the possibility of watching folks move through
areas via tracking them???

I know it gave you a good excuse to dismiss and bully me, but really,
think about the question, then get back with me...


At a certain point you simply have to understand your electronic
signature tracks you everywhere you go and the NSA is not even the
most curious about querying that data. Have you noticed that if you
mention something on a BB, you start getting ads about where to buy
one? That is just one use of what people know.

The only way to really hide is to live off the grid, use cash, stay
off the internet and never carry any kind mobile device, including
toll transponders. Best if you don't even have a car.

Basically, be a homeless person who avoids public assistance and stays
out of cop trouble.



No kidding. If you use a credit or debit card anywhere, they provide a
means of instantly tracking your whereabouts, let alone GPS enabled cell
phones and other electronic devices. You can't go through life worrying
about crap like that. Scott just weaves it all into his bizarre
government conspiracy theories that he both loves and hates at the same
time.

Mr. Luddite November 22nd 13 07:19 AM

New Comcast feature
 
On 11/22/2013 12:22 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 21:38:21 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

If your device (computer, smart phone, iPad or whatever) detects a
"XFINITYWiFi" signal as an available network, you connect to it.


The more I think about this the scarier it gets.
What happens when that "XFINITYWiFi" router you see is a spoofer, they
play you like a real Xfinity site, get your password and along the way
they also dump your device to their machine.

I hope there is more security than you have described.


I don't know. I've described everything I know about it so far.
I don't see how it's any different than the "free" WiFi connections that
many public places have now except you have to have a Comcast account to
access it.

I am not going to worry about it though. You don't *have* to use it and
if your home router is transmitting the second channel you can call
Comcast and have it disabled if you desire.




Mr. Luddite November 22nd 13 07:23 AM

New Comcast feature (for Greg)
 
On 11/22/2013 12:22 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 21:38:21 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

If your device (computer, smart phone, iPad or whatever) detects a
"XFINITYWiFi" signal as an available network, you connect to it.


The more I think about this the scarier it gets.
What happens when that "XFINITYWiFi" router you see is a spoofer, they
play you like a real Xfinity site, get your password and along the way
they also dump your device to their machine.

I hope there is more security than you have described.

They are even talking about phony "charging stations" that will dump
your mobile device while you think you are just getting a free charge.



If you want to learn more about this, here's a link that will get you
started. The link was huge, so I made a TinyURL:

http://tinyurl.com/kr2rtp2



KC November 22nd 13 11:10 AM

New Comcast feature
 
On 11/22/2013 12:14 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 23:41:58 -0500, KC wrote:

On 11/21/2013 8:45 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


You need a new tin hat. Yours is getting porous.


Listen Dick... We already know they are paying ATT and others for
"logistics", why would you think this more complete map of every ones
traveles would not be a great prize for them? Seriously, do you think
the NSA hasn't looked at the possibility of watching folks move through
areas via tracking them???

I know it gave you a good excuse to dismiss and bully me, but really,
think about the question, then get back with me...


At a certain point you simply have to understand your electronic
signature tracks you everywhere you go and the NSA is not even the
most curious about querying that data. Have you noticed that if you
mention something on a BB, you start getting ads about where to buy
one? That is just one use of what people know.

The only way to really hide is to live off the grid, use cash, stay
off the internet and never carry any kind mobile device, including
toll transponders. Best if you don't even have a car.

Basically, be a homeless person who avoids public assistance and stays
out of cop trouble.


So, you don't think the NSA is interested in that info at all? Come on...

KC November 22nd 13 11:12 AM

New Comcast feature
 
On 11/22/2013 2:10 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/22/2013 12:14 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 23:41:58 -0500, KC wrote:

On 11/21/2013 8:45 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


You need a new tin hat. Yours is getting porous.

Listen Dick... We already know they are paying ATT and others for
"logistics", why would you think this more complete map of every ones
traveles would not be a great prize for them? Seriously, do you think
the NSA hasn't looked at the possibility of watching folks move through
areas via tracking them???

I know it gave you a good excuse to dismiss and bully me, but really,
think about the question, then get back with me...


At a certain point you simply have to understand your electronic
signature tracks you everywhere you go and the NSA is not even the
most curious about querying that data. Have you noticed that if you
mention something on a BB, you start getting ads about where to buy
one? That is just one use of what people know.

The only way to really hide is to live off the grid, use cash, stay
off the internet and never carry any kind mobile device, including
toll transponders. Best if you don't even have a car.

Basically, be a homeless person who avoids public assistance and stays
out of cop trouble.



No kidding. If you use a credit or debit card anywhere, they provide a
means of instantly tracking your whereabouts, let alone GPS enabled cell
phones and other electronic devices. You can't go through life worrying
about crap like that. Scott just weaves it all into his bizarre
government conspiracy theories that he both loves and hates at the same
time.


Never said I "went through life worrying about it"... That's your
harryism... I simply said, they will collect the info, you call names
and accuse...... anything but answer the question. But if that makes you
feel better... well....

KC November 22nd 13 11:13 AM

New Comcast feature
 
On 11/22/2013 2:02 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/21/2013 11:41 PM, KC wrote:

On 11/21/2013 8:45 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/21/2013 6:25 PM, KC wrote:
On 11/21/2013 6:20 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:45:03 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/21/2013 5:26 PM,
wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:38:18 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:


Comcast just enabled a new feature on our home wifi system. You
have
to have the new, updated equipment and modem/router that is
provided by
them for it to work.

What they do is enable your wifi router to transmit and receive
another
independent signal. It shows up as "XFINITYWiFi" on your computer
available networks list, iPad or cell phone. It is unsecured and
doesn't
interfere with your existing, secured connection, nor does it slow
anything down. Anyone signed onto it is *not* connected to your
existing, secured network, so they can't access any file sharing or
anything you have set up on your network.
I have that at my house, simply by putting the DSL wifi router in
front of the router I already had.
Both are secured tho.

I really don't use WiFi on my home network so I have the WiFi turned
off on that router and guests go directly to the DSL WiFi



The "guest/visitor" use feature is nice, but it's obviously not the
primary reason for this new feature.

Comcast is the largest cable/Internet service provider in the US.
They
have about 15 million Internet service customers nationwide with
almost
double that with cable TV service.

By using their customer based WiFi modem/router with the dual channel
capability, they are basically establishing up to 15 million new
"hotspots" for Comcast Internet customers.


If this is an unsecured WiFi they are not creating any customers.
What keeps the neighbors or anyone war driving down the road from
getting in?
I would be a little worried about which IP this comes back to ...
yours?




Wonder how much the NSA is paying them to track everybody for them:)



You need a new tin hat. Yours is getting porous.




Listen Dick... We already know they are paying ATT and others for
"logistics", why would you think this more complete map of every ones
traveles would not be a great prize for them? Seriously, do you think
the NSA hasn't looked at the possibility of watching folks move through
areas via tracking them???

I know it gave you a good excuse to dismiss and bully me, but really,
think about the question, then get back with me...




Ok. I did. I think you are a paranoid nutcase.


Wow, so you won't address any of it because it makes you feel better
about yourself to just call names? I get it...

KC November 22nd 13 11:15 AM

New Comcast feature
 
On 11/22/2013 12:22 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 21:38:21 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

If your device (computer, smart phone, iPad or whatever) detects a
"XFINITYWiFi" signal as an available network, you connect to it.


The more I think about this the scarier it gets.
What happens when that "XFINITYWiFi" router you see is a spoofer, they
play you like a real Xfinity site, get your password and along the way
they also dump your device to their machine.

I hope there is more security than you have described.

They are even talking about phony "charging stations" that will dump
your mobile device while you think you are just getting a free charge.


Watch out Greg.... Dick will get on his stump and start calling you
names now. Oh wait, you are in the right social economic class, so you
will probably be just fine... nevermind... I have a sneaking suspicion
he doesn't play well with lower middle class:)

KC November 22nd 13 11:16 AM

New Comcast feature
 
On 11/22/2013 2:19 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/22/2013 12:22 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 21:38:21 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

If your device (computer, smart phone, iPad or whatever) detects a
"XFINITYWiFi" signal as an available network, you connect to it.


The more I think about this the scarier it gets.
What happens when that "XFINITYWiFi" router you see is a spoofer, they
play you like a real Xfinity site, get your password and along the way
they also dump your device to their machine.

I hope there is more security than you have described.


I don't know. I've described everything I know about it so far.
I don't see how it's any different than the "free" WiFi connections that
many public places have now except you have to have a Comcast account to
access it.

I am not going to worry about it though. You don't *have* to use it and
if your home router is transmitting the second channel you can call
Comcast and have it disabled if you desire.




What no names, no curtain climbing??? No waving??????

F.O.A.D. November 22nd 13 11:17 AM

New Comcast feature
 
On 11/21/13, 11:41 PM, KC wrote:
On 11/21/2013 8:45 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/21/2013 6:25 PM, KC wrote:
On 11/21/2013 6:20 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:45:03 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/21/2013 5:26 PM,
wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:38:18 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:


Comcast just enabled a new feature on our home wifi system. You
have
to have the new, updated equipment and modem/router that is
provided by
them for it to work.

What they do is enable your wifi router to transmit and receive
another
independent signal. It shows up as "XFINITYWiFi" on your computer
available networks list, iPad or cell phone. It is unsecured and
doesn't
interfere with your existing, secured connection, nor does it slow
anything down. Anyone signed onto it is *not* connected to your
existing, secured network, so they can't access any file sharing or
anything you have set up on your network.
I have that at my house, simply by putting the DSL wifi router in
front of the router I already had.
Both are secured tho.

I really don't use WiFi on my home network so I have the WiFi turned
off on that router and guests go directly to the DSL WiFi



The "guest/visitor" use feature is nice, but it's obviously not the
primary reason for this new feature.

Comcast is the largest cable/Internet service provider in the US.
They
have about 15 million Internet service customers nationwide with
almost
double that with cable TV service.

By using their customer based WiFi modem/router with the dual channel
capability, they are basically establishing up to 15 million new
"hotspots" for Comcast Internet customers.


If this is an unsecured WiFi they are not creating any customers.
What keeps the neighbors or anyone war driving down the road from
getting in?
I would be a little worried about which IP this comes back to ...
yours?



Wonder how much the NSA is paying them to track everybody for them:)


You need a new tin hat. Yours is getting porous.


Listen Dick... We already know they are paying ATT and others for
"logistics", why would you think this more complete map of every ones
traveles would not be a great prize for them? Seriously, do you think
the NSA hasn't looked at the possibility of watching folks move through
areas via tracking them???

I know it gave you a good excuse to dismiss and bully me, but really,
think about the question, then get back with me...



That tin foil hat of yours sure gets a lot of use, eh? Other than your
local police, who in "officialdom" would give a tinker's dam about your
whereabouts?

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

John H[_2_] November 22nd 13 12:43 PM

New Comcast feature (for Greg)
 
On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 02:23:46 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 11/22/2013 12:22 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 21:38:21 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

If your device (computer, smart phone, iPad or whatever) detects a
"XFINITYWiFi" signal as an available network, you connect to it.


The more I think about this the scarier it gets.
What happens when that "XFINITYWiFi" router you see is a spoofer, they
play you like a real Xfinity site, get your password and along the way
they also dump your device to their machine.

I hope there is more security than you have described.

They are even talking about phony "charging stations" that will dump
your mobile device while you think you are just getting a free charge.



If you want to learn more about this, here's a link that will get you
started. The link was huge, so I made a TinyURL:

http://tinyurl.com/kr2rtp2

Sounds like someone is letting 'conspiracy theories' get into his head. But, Greg makes a good
point.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!



True North[_2_] November 22nd 13 03:55 PM

New Comcast feature
 
On Friday, 22 November 2013 07:15:59 UTC-4, KC wrote:

Watch out Greg.... Dick will get on his stump and start calling you

names now. Oh wait, you are in the right social economic class, so you

will probably be just fine... nevermind... I have a sneaking suspicion

he doesn't play well with lower middle class:)



Wow.. what a little drama queen you are!
You are as regular as a woman's monthly cycle. We see you back in your 'poor little me... everyone's picking on me' phase.
Someone should test you to see if your estrogen levels are higher than your testosterone levels.
~~SNERK~~

Mr. Luddite November 22nd 13 06:16 PM

New Comcast feature (for Greg)
 
On 11/22/2013 12:43 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 02:23:46 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/22/2013 12:22 AM,
wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 21:38:21 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

If your device (computer, smart phone, iPad or whatever) detects a
"XFINITYWiFi" signal as an available network, you connect to it.

The more I think about this the scarier it gets.
What happens when that "XFINITYWiFi" router you see is a spoofer, they
play you like a real Xfinity site, get your password and along the way
they also dump your device to their machine.

I hope there is more security than you have described.

They are even talking about phony "charging stations" that will dump
your mobile device while you think you are just getting a free charge.



If you want to learn more about this, here's a link that will get you
started. The link was huge, so I made a TinyURL:

http://tinyurl.com/kr2rtp2


The big flaw in this for me is your guests need to be Comcast
customers. I do see why they are doing it tho.

Comcast is so bad here, I don't really know many people who have it.
My wife has it at work, simply because they do cable for the
neighborhood. They are seriously looking for another data service. The
TVs in the club house are already on Direct TV, mostly for the sports
package. I think the data in the clubhouse is free right now because
they don't want to use the business and they have DSL knocking on the
door.





Until very recently Comcast up here was getting terrible as well, both
in cable TV and Internet service. Lots of outages on the Internet
connection and weak or no signals for cable TV on many channels.

Then they did the upgrades. The Comcast tech who came to the house told
me that Comcast is slowly upgrading their entire system, nationwide and
also the provided gear to customers. Eventually everyone will be
upgraded to the type of gear he installed at our house.

Since then, the services have been excellent. Faster and stable
Internet and much improved HD TV signal. So, maybe there's hope in the
future down there.



John H[_2_] November 22nd 13 08:41 PM

New Comcast feature
 
On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 07:55:54 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:

On Friday, 22 November 2013 07:15:59 UTC-4, KC wrote:

Watch out Greg.... Dick will get on his stump and start calling you

names now. Oh wait, you are in the right social economic class, so you

will probably be just fine... nevermind... I have a sneaking suspicion

he doesn't play well with lower middle class:)



Wow.. what a little drama queen you are!
You are as regular as a woman's monthly cycle. We see you back in your 'poor little me... everyone's picking on me' phase.
Someone should test you to see if your estrogen levels are higher than your testosterone levels.
~~SNERK~~


Hey Squirt! No gonads yet, hey? Had *your* estrogen levels checked lately?

Sharia, Mexican, or what, hey?

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!



BAR[_2_] November 23rd 13 05:31 PM

New Comcast feature
 
In article , says...

Comcast just enabled a new feature on our home wifi system. You have
to have the new, updated equipment and modem/router that is provided by
them for it to work.

What they do is enable your wifi router to transmit and receive another
independent signal. It shows up as "XFINITYWiFi" on your computer
available networks list, iPad or cell phone. It is unsecured and doesn't
interfere with your existing, secured connection, nor does it slow
anything down. Anyone signed onto it is *not* connected to your
existing, secured network, so they can't access any file sharing or
anything you have set up on your network.

It's designed to allow guests, visitors or anyone within receiving range
of the signal to access the Internet and email virtually anywhere as
long as you are a Comcast customer. It means that once they upgrade
everyone, you could drive down the street and access the Internet
anywhere there is a home WiFi system provided by Comcast. That's a lot
of free "hot spots" in our area since Comcast dominates the cable TV and
Internet market in our area.

In our case nobody driving on the road will benefit from our house
because we are too far from the road for them to get the signal. But
in most areas with houses close to the road, you should be able to
access the internet everywhere. It can also be used by house guests and
visitors as long as they have a Comcast account.

When you first connect to it, it doesn't indicate that you have Internet
access. Says "local only". But, if you open a browser, it takes you to
a Comcast page where you enter your user name (or Comcast email address)
and your password. You only have to do this once per device. Once
you've done that, you have full access to the Internet.

You can also request that this capability be disabled on your
modem/router if you don't want it. Personally, I think it's pretty cool
and a clever way to make Internet access available to Comcast account
holders almost everywhere.

Funny, not too long ago it was a big deal to be "stealing" someone
else's WiFi connection. Now they are encouraging it.


Why would you want to expose your internet connection to anyone and everyone within range.
When the government comes to you and says where were you doing illegal operations from your
internet connection what are you going to say?

Mr. Luddite November 23rd 13 05:48 PM

New Comcast feature
 
On 11/23/2013 12:31 PM, BAR wrote:
In article , says...

Comcast just enabled a new feature on our home wifi system. You have
to have the new, updated equipment and modem/router that is provided by
them for it to work.

What they do is enable your wifi router to transmit and receive another
independent signal. It shows up as "XFINITYWiFi" on your computer
available networks list, iPad or cell phone. It is unsecured and doesn't
interfere with your existing, secured connection, nor does it slow
anything down. Anyone signed onto it is *not* connected to your
existing, secured network, so they can't access any file sharing or
anything you have set up on your network.

It's designed to allow guests, visitors or anyone within receiving range
of the signal to access the Internet and email virtually anywhere as
long as you are a Comcast customer. It means that once they upgrade
everyone, you could drive down the street and access the Internet
anywhere there is a home WiFi system provided by Comcast. That's a lot
of free "hot spots" in our area since Comcast dominates the cable TV and
Internet market in our area.

In our case nobody driving on the road will benefit from our house
because we are too far from the road for them to get the signal. But
in most areas with houses close to the road, you should be able to
access the internet everywhere. It can also be used by house guests and
visitors as long as they have a Comcast account.

When you first connect to it, it doesn't indicate that you have Internet
access. Says "local only". But, if you open a browser, it takes you to
a Comcast page where you enter your user name (or Comcast email address)
and your password. You only have to do this once per device. Once
you've done that, you have full access to the Internet.

You can also request that this capability be disabled on your
modem/router if you don't want it. Personally, I think it's pretty cool
and a clever way to make Internet access available to Comcast account
holders almost everywhere.

Funny, not too long ago it was a big deal to be "stealing" someone
else's WiFi connection. Now they are encouraging it.


Why would you want to expose your internet connection to anyone and everyone within range.
When the government comes to you and says where were you doing illegal operations from your
internet connection what are you going to say?



That was one of the concerns that I had ... and Greg also raised it as a
potential issue. However, it's not a problem or risk.

The "second channel" that is broadcast is totally independent of the
primary secured, home network channel. It's really a Comcast owned and
controlled connection and has nothing to do with your home network. I
confirmed, both with Comcast and on my computer that the IP addresses
are different. I checked our reported IP address on the primary,
secured network, then disconnected from it, connected to the second
"XFINITYWiFi" signal and it reported a totally different IP.

I think there is a lot of confusion about this, as I was initially when
I received the email from Comcast announcing and explaining this new
feature/service. Again, people are *not* able to sign onto your home
network and it isn't "exposed". The purpose of the Comcast/Xfinity
owned and controlled signal is to eventually make your whole area, town
and state an Xfinity "hotspot".

You can opt out of having your home router having the second channel
capability. At first I was inclined to do that because I really didn't
understand what it was for but now that I do, I'll leave it. There's no
security risk to the regular connection.

It is also only accessible to Comcast customers. If you don't have a
Comcast account, you can't use it.





Mr. Luddite November 23rd 13 05:56 PM

New Comcast feature
 
On 11/23/2013 12:31 PM, BAR wrote:


Why would you want to expose your internet connection to anyone and everyone within range.
When the government comes to you and says where were you doing illegal operations from your
internet connection what are you going to say?



Forgot to mention in my previous reply:

In our particular case, there's another reason I am not concerned about
this feature.

Our house is way too far from the road (950 feet) for anyone just
passing by to receive the signal. The closest neighbor has Verizon Fios
as a Internet service, and they are too far away from our house to get a
usable signal from our router. Even if they managed to get the signal,
they wouldn't be able to connect because they don't have a Comcast account.

Our primary network in the house was "unsecured" for years because there
isn't anybody else close enough to use it. It's secured now by default
with the new modem/router which requires it to be WPS2 secured.



F.O.A.D. November 23rd 13 05:59 PM

New Comcast feature
 
On 11/23/13, 12:48 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/23/2013 12:31 PM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

Comcast just enabled a new feature on our home wifi system. You have
to have the new, updated equipment and modem/router that is provided by
them for it to work.

What they do is enable your wifi router to transmit and receive another
independent signal. It shows up as "XFINITYWiFi" on your computer
available networks list, iPad or cell phone. It is unsecured and doesn't
interfere with your existing, secured connection, nor does it slow
anything down. Anyone signed onto it is *not* connected to your
existing, secured network, so they can't access any file sharing or
anything you have set up on your network.

It's designed to allow guests, visitors or anyone within receiving range
of the signal to access the Internet and email virtually anywhere as
long as you are a Comcast customer. It means that once they upgrade
everyone, you could drive down the street and access the Internet
anywhere there is a home WiFi system provided by Comcast. That's a lot
of free "hot spots" in our area since Comcast dominates the cable TV and
Internet market in our area.

In our case nobody driving on the road will benefit from our house
because we are too far from the road for them to get the signal. But
in most areas with houses close to the road, you should be able to
access the internet everywhere. It can also be used by house guests and
visitors as long as they have a Comcast account.

When you first connect to it, it doesn't indicate that you have Internet
access. Says "local only". But, if you open a browser, it takes you to
a Comcast page where you enter your user name (or Comcast email address)
and your password. You only have to do this once per device. Once
you've done that, you have full access to the Internet.

You can also request that this capability be disabled on your
modem/router if you don't want it. Personally, I think it's pretty cool
and a clever way to make Internet access available to Comcast account
holders almost everywhere.

Funny, not too long ago it was a big deal to be "stealing" someone
else's WiFi connection. Now they are encouraging it.


Why would you want to expose your internet connection to anyone and
everyone within range.
When the government comes to you and says where were you doing illegal
operations from your
internet connection what are you going to say?



That was one of the concerns that I had ... and Greg also raised it as a
potential issue. However, it's not a problem or risk.

The "second channel" that is broadcast is totally independent of the
primary secured, home network channel. It's really a Comcast owned and
controlled connection and has nothing to do with your home network. I
confirmed, both with Comcast and on my computer that the IP addresses
are different. I checked our reported IP address on the primary,
secured network, then disconnected from it, connected to the second
"XFINITYWiFi" signal and it reported a totally different IP.

I think there is a lot of confusion about this, as I was initially when
I received the email from Comcast announcing and explaining this new
feature/service. Again, people are *not* able to sign onto your home
network and it isn't "exposed". The purpose of the Comcast/Xfinity
owned and controlled signal is to eventually make your whole area, town
and state an Xfinity "hotspot".

You can opt out of having your home router having the second channel
capability. At first I was inclined to do that because I really didn't
understand what it was for but now that I do, I'll leave it. There's no
security risk to the regular connection.

It is also only accessible to Comcast customers. If you don't have a
Comcast account, you can't use it.





When my cable modem went teats up, I returned it to Comcast and got a
new one that is significantly faster than the old one. I was offered a
combo modem/router, seemed decent enough, but it only had a couple of
ports for wired connections, and I already had a good wired/wireless
router with the G and N bands and more ports for wired connections.

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

F.O.A.D. November 23rd 13 06:03 PM

New Comcast feature
 
On 11/23/13, 12:56 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/23/2013 12:31 PM, BAR wrote:


Why would you want to expose your internet connection to anyone and
everyone within range.
When the government comes to you and says where were you doing illegal
operations from your
internet connection what are you going to say?



Forgot to mention in my previous reply:

In our particular case, there's another reason I am not concerned about
this feature.

Our house is way too far from the road (950 feet) for anyone just
passing by to receive the signal. The closest neighbor has Verizon Fios
as a Internet service, and they are too far away from our house to get a
usable signal from our router. Even if they managed to get the signal,
they wouldn't be able to connect because they don't have a Comcast account.

Our primary network in the house was "unsecured" for years because there
isn't anybody else close enough to use it. It's secured now by default
with the new modem/router which requires it to be WPS2 secured.



And of course you are not "doing illegal operations from your internet
connection."

I wonder what the actual range is for the "outside" wi-fi connection.
Traditional wi-fi typically is good within a reasonably sized house and
maybe out on the porch or patio and maybe out onto a street 100' away.

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

F.O.A.D. November 23rd 13 06:22 PM

New Comcast feature
 
On 11/23/13, 1:18 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 12:59:18 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

When my cable modem went teats up, I returned it to Comcast and got a
new one that is significantly faster than the old one. I was offered a
combo modem/router, seemed decent enough, but it only had a couple of
ports for wired connections, and I already had a good wired/wireless
router with the G and N bands and more ports for wired connections.


You can always put a switch in there to split out the ports. That is a
lot better than using a hub.
Essentially that is what the ports are on the back of the router
anyway. I have a 24 port switch in the computer room and a single Cat
5 to the router next to my chair here.


I have two switches on the router...one in my office and one in my
wife's office.

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

Mr. Luddite November 23rd 13 06:24 PM

New Comcast feature
 
On 11/23/2013 12:59 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/23/13, 12:48 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/23/2013 12:31 PM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

Comcast just enabled a new feature on our home wifi system. You have
to have the new, updated equipment and modem/router that is provided by
them for it to work.

What they do is enable your wifi router to transmit and receive another
independent signal. It shows up as "XFINITYWiFi" on your computer
available networks list, iPad or cell phone. It is unsecured and
doesn't
interfere with your existing, secured connection, nor does it slow
anything down. Anyone signed onto it is *not* connected to your
existing, secured network, so they can't access any file sharing or
anything you have set up on your network.

It's designed to allow guests, visitors or anyone within receiving
range
of the signal to access the Internet and email virtually anywhere as
long as you are a Comcast customer. It means that once they upgrade
everyone, you could drive down the street and access the Internet
anywhere there is a home WiFi system provided by Comcast. That's a lot
of free "hot spots" in our area since Comcast dominates the cable TV
and
Internet market in our area.

In our case nobody driving on the road will benefit from our house
because we are too far from the road for them to get the signal. But
in most areas with houses close to the road, you should be able to
access the internet everywhere. It can also be used by house guests
and
visitors as long as they have a Comcast account.

When you first connect to it, it doesn't indicate that you have
Internet
access. Says "local only". But, if you open a browser, it takes
you to
a Comcast page where you enter your user name (or Comcast email
address)
and your password. You only have to do this once per device. Once
you've done that, you have full access to the Internet.

You can also request that this capability be disabled on your
modem/router if you don't want it. Personally, I think it's pretty
cool
and a clever way to make Internet access available to Comcast account
holders almost everywhere.

Funny, not too long ago it was a big deal to be "stealing" someone
else's WiFi connection. Now they are encouraging it.

Why would you want to expose your internet connection to anyone and
everyone within range.
When the government comes to you and says where were you doing illegal
operations from your
internet connection what are you going to say?



That was one of the concerns that I had ... and Greg also raised it as a
potential issue. However, it's not a problem or risk.

The "second channel" that is broadcast is totally independent of the
primary secured, home network channel. It's really a Comcast owned and
controlled connection and has nothing to do with your home network. I
confirmed, both with Comcast and on my computer that the IP addresses
are different. I checked our reported IP address on the primary,
secured network, then disconnected from it, connected to the second
"XFINITYWiFi" signal and it reported a totally different IP.

I think there is a lot of confusion about this, as I was initially when
I received the email from Comcast announcing and explaining this new
feature/service. Again, people are *not* able to sign onto your home
network and it isn't "exposed". The purpose of the Comcast/Xfinity
owned and controlled signal is to eventually make your whole area, town
and state an Xfinity "hotspot".

You can opt out of having your home router having the second channel
capability. At first I was inclined to do that because I really didn't
understand what it was for but now that I do, I'll leave it. There's no
security risk to the regular connection.

It is also only accessible to Comcast customers. If you don't have a
Comcast account, you can't use it.





When my cable modem went teats up, I returned it to Comcast and got a
new one that is significantly faster than the old one. I was offered a
combo modem/router, seemed decent enough, but it only had a couple of
ports for wired connections, and I already had a good wired/wireless
router with the G and N bands and more ports for wired connections.



I just checked the new one Comcast installed along with the other
distribution equipment. It has four Ethernet ports for wired connections.

Our house was built in 1997 and was wired with RG6 cable to every room
but was not wired for ethernet computer connections. For our use, the
wireless works fine, especially with the extender I bought. It's a big
house (8,000 square feet) and we really have no need to tear things up
to install ethernet cables everywhere.

BTW, I also received another email (while typing this post) from
Comcast/Xfinity telling us that our service speed had been increased and
I should reboot our computers and the modem/router to enable the higher
speed. Haven't done that yet. The last time I did a speed test (which
was before all the upgrades), it was at about 22Mbps download and about
5.4Mbps upload. It will be interesting to do the test again after I do
the reboots. Xfinity claims speeds up to 54MBs download.
It also depends on what kind of service you have, apparently. I didn't
know what we had until today. It's called the "Performance" package,
whatever that is. For our usage, the way it's working right now is
plenty fast. I am almost afraid to do the reboots. Sometimes it's best
to leave well enough alone.





F.O.A.D. November 23rd 13 06:34 PM

New Comcast feature
 
On 11/23/13, 1:24 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/23/2013 12:59 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/23/13, 12:48 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/23/2013 12:31 PM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

Comcast just enabled a new feature on our home wifi system. You have
to have the new, updated equipment and modem/router that is
provided by
them for it to work.

What they do is enable your wifi router to transmit and receive
another
independent signal. It shows up as "XFINITYWiFi" on your computer
available networks list, iPad or cell phone. It is unsecured and
doesn't
interfere with your existing, secured connection, nor does it slow
anything down. Anyone signed onto it is *not* connected to your
existing, secured network, so they can't access any file sharing or
anything you have set up on your network.

It's designed to allow guests, visitors or anyone within receiving
range
of the signal to access the Internet and email virtually anywhere as
long as you are a Comcast customer. It means that once they upgrade
everyone, you could drive down the street and access the Internet
anywhere there is a home WiFi system provided by Comcast. That's a
lot
of free "hot spots" in our area since Comcast dominates the cable TV
and
Internet market in our area.

In our case nobody driving on the road will benefit from our house
because we are too far from the road for them to get the signal. But
in most areas with houses close to the road, you should be able to
access the internet everywhere. It can also be used by house guests
and
visitors as long as they have a Comcast account.

When you first connect to it, it doesn't indicate that you have
Internet
access. Says "local only". But, if you open a browser, it takes
you to
a Comcast page where you enter your user name (or Comcast email
address)
and your password. You only have to do this once per device. Once
you've done that, you have full access to the Internet.

You can also request that this capability be disabled on your
modem/router if you don't want it. Personally, I think it's pretty
cool
and a clever way to make Internet access available to Comcast account
holders almost everywhere.

Funny, not too long ago it was a big deal to be "stealing" someone
else's WiFi connection. Now they are encouraging it.

Why would you want to expose your internet connection to anyone and
everyone within range.
When the government comes to you and says where were you doing illegal
operations from your
internet connection what are you going to say?



That was one of the concerns that I had ... and Greg also raised it as a
potential issue. However, it's not a problem or risk.

The "second channel" that is broadcast is totally independent of the
primary secured, home network channel. It's really a Comcast owned and
controlled connection and has nothing to do with your home network. I
confirmed, both with Comcast and on my computer that the IP addresses
are different. I checked our reported IP address on the primary,
secured network, then disconnected from it, connected to the second
"XFINITYWiFi" signal and it reported a totally different IP.

I think there is a lot of confusion about this, as I was initially when
I received the email from Comcast announcing and explaining this new
feature/service. Again, people are *not* able to sign onto your home
network and it isn't "exposed". The purpose of the Comcast/Xfinity
owned and controlled signal is to eventually make your whole area, town
and state an Xfinity "hotspot".

You can opt out of having your home router having the second channel
capability. At first I was inclined to do that because I really didn't
understand what it was for but now that I do, I'll leave it. There's no
security risk to the regular connection.

It is also only accessible to Comcast customers. If you don't have a
Comcast account, you can't use it.





When my cable modem went teats up, I returned it to Comcast and got a
new one that is significantly faster than the old one. I was offered a
combo modem/router, seemed decent enough, but it only had a couple of
ports for wired connections, and I already had a good wired/wireless
router with the G and N bands and more ports for wired connections.



I just checked the new one Comcast installed along with the other
distribution equipment. It has four Ethernet ports for wired connections.

Our house was built in 1997 and was wired with RG6 cable to every room
but was not wired for ethernet computer connections. For our use, the
wireless works fine, especially with the extender I bought. It's a big
house (8,000 square feet) and we really have no need to tear things up
to install ethernet cables everywhere.

BTW, I also received another email (while typing this post) from
Comcast/Xfinity telling us that our service speed had been increased and
I should reboot our computers and the modem/router to enable the higher
speed. Haven't done that yet. The last time I did a speed test (which
was before all the upgrades), it was at about 22Mbps download and about
5.4Mbps upload. It will be interesting to do the test again after I do
the reboots. Xfinity claims speeds up to 54MBs download.
It also depends on what kind of service you have, apparently. I didn't
know what we had until today. It's called the "Performance" package,
whatever that is. For our usage, the way it's working right now is
plenty fast. I am almost afraid to do the reboots. Sometimes it's best
to leave well enough alone.





Before the drywall in this house was installed, I ran CAT cable from
where the high-speed cable service entered the house to the third floor
bedrooms, the family room and the kitchen.

I just tested and got 57.74 Mbps download and 15 Mbps upload on my
desktop. The upload typically varies more than the download. On my
iPhone using Wi-Fi I got 31.06 Mbps download and 10.10 Mbps upload.


--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

Mr. Luddite November 23rd 13 06:48 PM

New Comcast feature
 
On 11/23/2013 1:03 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/23/13, 12:56 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/23/2013 12:31 PM, BAR wrote:


Why would you want to expose your internet connection to anyone and
everyone within range.
When the government comes to you and says where were you doing illegal
operations from your
internet connection what are you going to say?



Forgot to mention in my previous reply:

In our particular case, there's another reason I am not concerned about
this feature.

Our house is way too far from the road (950 feet) for anyone just
passing by to receive the signal. The closest neighbor has Verizon Fios
as a Internet service, and they are too far away from our house to get a
usable signal from our router. Even if they managed to get the signal,
they wouldn't be able to connect because they don't have a Comcast
account.

Our primary network in the house was "unsecured" for years because there
isn't anybody else close enough to use it. It's secured now by default
with the new modem/router which requires it to be WPS2 secured.



And of course you are not "doing illegal operations from your internet
connection."

I wonder what the actual range is for the "outside" wi-fi connection.
Traditional wi-fi typically is good within a reasonably sized house and
maybe out on the porch or patio and maybe out onto a street 100' away.


100' or so seems about right. My wife and I have our computers (and she
with her iPhone, iPad and who knows what else) sorta on one side of the
house, so the wifi router covers that side pretty well. I put the
extender in a room on the other side of the house and it transmits
nicely to the man shed I recently built out in the woods beside the house.



Mr. Luddite November 23rd 13 06:54 PM

New Comcast feature
 
On 11/23/2013 1:29 PM, wrote:


There are several sites on the net that will show you how to make
antennas from anything ranging from old DSS dishes to a Pringles can.

There are plenty of commercial solutions, aimed at places like
campgrounds or building owners that provide hot spots.



Before I bought the extender and before all the recent upgrades, I was
looking at some of those home-brew directional "dishes" for wireless
routers and was going to try to make one. The new style router/modem
does not have an external antenna though, so I wouldn't know where to
place it.

The new, D-3.0 routers with the two channel capability look like this:

http://media2.comcast.net/anon.comcastonline2/support/help/faqs/wireless_gateway/image004.jpg


Hank©[_3_] November 23rd 13 07:32 PM

New Comcast feature
 
On 11/23/2013 12:48 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/23/2013 12:31 PM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

Comcast just enabled a new feature on our home wifi system. You have
to have the new, updated equipment and modem/router that is provided by
them for it to work.

What they do is enable your wifi router to transmit and receive another
independent signal. It shows up as "XFINITYWiFi" on your computer
available networks list, iPad or cell phone. It is unsecured and doesn't
interfere with your existing, secured connection, nor does it slow
anything down. Anyone signed onto it is *not* connected to your
existing, secured network, so they can't access any file sharing or
anything you have set up on your network.

It's designed to allow guests, visitors or anyone within receiving range
of the signal to access the Internet and email virtually anywhere as
long as you are a Comcast customer. It means that once they upgrade
everyone, you could drive down the street and access the Internet
anywhere there is a home WiFi system provided by Comcast. That's a lot
of free "hot spots" in our area since Comcast dominates the cable TV and
Internet market in our area.

In our case nobody driving on the road will benefit from our house
because we are too far from the road for them to get the signal. But
in most areas with houses close to the road, you should be able to
access the internet everywhere. It can also be used by house guests and
visitors as long as they have a Comcast account.

When you first connect to it, it doesn't indicate that you have Internet
access. Says "local only". But, if you open a browser, it takes you to
a Comcast page where you enter your user name (or Comcast email address)
and your password. You only have to do this once per device. Once
you've done that, you have full access to the Internet.

You can also request that this capability be disabled on your
modem/router if you don't want it. Personally, I think it's pretty cool
and a clever way to make Internet access available to Comcast account
holders almost everywhere.

Funny, not too long ago it was a big deal to be "stealing" someone
else's WiFi connection. Now they are encouraging it.


Why would you want to expose your internet connection to anyone and
everyone within range.
When the government comes to you and says where were you doing illegal
operations from your
internet connection what are you going to say?



That was one of the concerns that I had ... and Greg also raised it as a
potential issue. However, it's not a problem or risk.

The "second channel" that is broadcast is totally independent of the
primary secured, home network channel. It's really a Comcast owned and
controlled connection and has nothing to do with your home network. I
confirmed, both with Comcast and on my computer that the IP addresses
are different. I checked our reported IP address on the primary,
secured network, then disconnected from it, connected to the second
"XFINITYWiFi" signal and it reported a totally different IP.

I think there is a lot of confusion about this, as I was initially when
I received the email from Comcast announcing and explaining this new
feature/service. Again, people are *not* able to sign onto your home
network and it isn't "exposed". The purpose of the Comcast/Xfinity
owned and controlled signal is to eventually make your whole area, town
and state an Xfinity "hotspot".

You can opt out of having your home router having the second channel
capability. At first I was inclined to do that because I really didn't
understand what it was for but now that I do, I'll leave it. There's no
security risk to the regular connection.

It is also only accessible to Comcast customers. If you don't have a
Comcast account, you can't use it.




Let's hope Comcast never gets their wires crossed.

--
Americans deserve better.

Califbill November 23rd 13 09:52 PM

New Comcast feature
 
Hank© wrote:
On 11/23/2013 12:48 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/23/2013 12:31 PM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

Comcast just enabled a new feature on our home wifi system. You have
to have the new, updated equipment and modem/router that is provided by
them for it to work.

What they do is enable your wifi router to transmit and receive another
independent signal. It shows up as "XFINITYWiFi" on your computer
available networks list, iPad or cell phone. It is unsecured and doesn't
interfere with your existing, secured connection, nor does it slow
anything down. Anyone signed onto it is *not* connected to your
existing, secured network, so they can't access any file sharing or
anything you have set up on your network.

It's designed to allow guests, visitors or anyone within receiving range
of the signal to access the Internet and email virtually anywhere as
long as you are a Comcast customer. It means that once they upgrade
everyone, you could drive down the street and access the Internet
anywhere there is a home WiFi system provided by Comcast. That's a lot
of free "hot spots" in our area since Comcast dominates the cable TV and
Internet market in our area.

In our case nobody driving on the road will benefit from our house
because we are too far from the road for them to get the signal. But
in most areas with houses close to the road, you should be able to
access the internet everywhere. It can also be used by house guests and
visitors as long as they have a Comcast account.

When you first connect to it, it doesn't indicate that you have Internet
access. Says "local only". But, if you open a browser, it takes you to
a Comcast page where you enter your user name (or Comcast email address)
and your password. You only have to do this once per device. Once
you've done that, you have full access to the Internet.

You can also request that this capability be disabled on your
modem/router if you don't want it. Personally, I think it's pretty cool
and a clever way to make Internet access available to Comcast account
holders almost everywhere.

Funny, not too long ago it was a big deal to be "stealing" someone
else's WiFi connection. Now they are encouraging it.

Why would you want to expose your internet connection to anyone and
everyone within range.
When the government comes to you and says where were you doing illegal
operations from your
internet connection what are you going to say?



That was one of the concerns that I had ... and Greg also raised it as a
potential issue. However, it's not a problem or risk.

The "second channel" that is broadcast is totally independent of the
primary secured, home network channel. It's really a Comcast owned and
controlled connection and has nothing to do with your home network. I
confirmed, both with Comcast and on my computer that the IP addresses
are different. I checked our reported IP address on the primary,
secured network, then disconnected from it, connected to the second
"XFINITYWiFi" signal and it reported a totally different IP.

I think there is a lot of confusion about this, as I was initially when
I received the email from Comcast announcing and explaining this new
feature/service. Again, people are *not* able to sign onto your home
network and it isn't "exposed". The purpose of the Comcast/Xfinity
owned and controlled signal is to eventually make your whole area, town
and state an Xfinity "hotspot".

You can opt out of having your home router having the second channel
capability. At first I was inclined to do that because I really didn't
understand what it was for but now that I do, I'll leave it. There's no
security risk to the regular connection.

It is also only accessible to Comcast customers. If you don't have a
Comcast account, you can't use it.




Let's hope Comcast never gets their wires crossed.



Cheap way for Comcast to get lots of hotspots.

KC November 23rd 13 10:24 PM

New Comcast feature
 
On 11/23/2013 2:00 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 13:34:45 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Before the drywall in this house was installed, I ran CAT cable from
where the high-speed cable service entered the house to the third floor
bedrooms, the family room and the kitchen.


This is a single story so I have pretty good access to the walls from
the attic
When I was having the roof replaced I snaked conduit down the outside
walls in a few strategic places and that helped a lot.
My wife has a "I don't want to see any wires" policy on everything I
do.
We have done enough renovation here where a lot of the walls have been
open that I got the base infrastructure into the computer room fairly
well established. I am running a Cat5 and some low voltage cabling out
to the new bump out in the screen cage too. I am sure there will be a
PC out there.


The first time I snaked wires from the attic to the basement, I pulled a
few extra lengths of nylon cord though the "channel". Years later I
wanted to add a couple circuits, made things easy...

Califbill November 23rd 13 10:42 PM

New Comcast feature
 
KC wrote:
On 11/23/2013 2:00 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 13:34:45 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Before the drywall in this house was installed, I ran CAT cable from
where the high-speed cable service entered the house to the third floor
bedrooms, the family room and the kitchen.


This is a single story so I have pretty good access to the walls from
the attic
When I was having the roof replaced I snaked conduit down the outside
walls in a few strategic places and that helped a lot.
My wife has a "I don't want to see any wires" policy on everything I
do.
We have done enough renovation here where a lot of the walls have been
open that I got the base infrastructure into the computer room fairly
well established. I am running a Cat5 and some low voltage cabling out
to the new bump out in the screen cage too. I am sure there will be a
PC out there.


The first time I snaked wires from the attic to the basement, I pulled a
few extra lengths of nylon cord though the "channel". Years later I
wanted to add a couple circuits, made things easy...


I have done the same thing in the wire runs in my boat.

Mr. Luddite November 23rd 13 10:53 PM

New Comcast feature
 
On 11/23/2013 5:42 PM, Califbill wrote:
KC wrote:
On 11/23/2013 2:00 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 13:34:45 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Before the drywall in this house was installed, I ran CAT cable from
where the high-speed cable service entered the house to the third floor
bedrooms, the family room and the kitchen.


This is a single story so I have pretty good access to the walls from
the attic
When I was having the roof replaced I snaked conduit down the outside
walls in a few strategic places and that helped a lot.
My wife has a "I don't want to see any wires" policy on everything I
do.
We have done enough renovation here where a lot of the walls have been
open that I got the base infrastructure into the computer room fairly
well established. I am running a Cat5 and some low voltage cabling out
to the new bump out in the screen cage too. I am sure there will be a
PC out there.


The first time I snaked wires from the attic to the basement, I pulled a
few extra lengths of nylon cord though the "channel". Years later I
wanted to add a couple circuits, made things easy...


I have done the same thing in the wire runs in my boat.



I suppose that if I got energetic I could use the existing RG6 cables
that are already run to pull a new RG6 and computer cable to each room
that we would want a hard connection for a computer. I'd have to move
the modem/router down to the utility room in the basement where all the
power and utilities come in the house from underground. It would still
be quite a project though. House has three floors above the basement and
some of those RG6 cable runs are pretty long.

Nah. Too much work. I'll stick to the wireless WiFi. It's working fine.




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