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On 11/22/2013 9:40 AM, Hank© wrote:
On 11/22/2013 9:16 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 11/22/13, 8:10 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/22/2013 7:33 AM, John H wrote: My wife convinced me to get iTunes. Biggest boo-boo I've made. She even gave me iTunes gift cards. But, iTunes gets to be all-consuming. Now it's gone. If I want new music on my Ipod (or whatever the little thing's called) I just ask her to sync it with her Bluegrass. Mostly I just leave it alone. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Yeah, I have a super duper iPad with all the bells and whistles and maximum memory. I bought it back when I had the guitar shop and we'd leave it out on a table so customers could check guitar prices, etc. by having it display the shop's website. I'd also occasionally transfer mp3 backing tracks from my PC to it (using iTunes) and plug the iPad into the stage PA system for "jam" sessions. Now it sits unused in my house, collecting dust. iTunes is all-consuming? What kind of ignorant nonsense talk is that? He's trying to say it will run your life if you submit to it, which,apparently, you have. Yeah, we have an ITunes user here in our home.. Sucks for her, none of her music runs on the usual music delivery systems (mp3) we run in the camp site.... |
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On 11/22/13, 9:54 AM, KC wrote:
On 11/22/2013 9:40 AM, Hank© wrote: On 11/22/2013 9:16 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 11/22/13, 8:10 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/22/2013 7:33 AM, John H wrote: My wife convinced me to get iTunes. Biggest boo-boo I've made. She even gave me iTunes gift cards. But, iTunes gets to be all-consuming. Now it's gone. If I want new music on my Ipod (or whatever the little thing's called) I just ask her to sync it with her Bluegrass. Mostly I just leave it alone. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Yeah, I have a super duper iPad with all the bells and whistles and maximum memory. I bought it back when I had the guitar shop and we'd leave it out on a table so customers could check guitar prices, etc. by having it display the shop's website. I'd also occasionally transfer mp3 backing tracks from my PC to it (using iTunes) and plug the iPad into the stage PA system for "jam" sessions. Now it sits unused in my house, collecting dust. iTunes is all-consuming? What kind of ignorant nonsense talk is that? He's trying to say it will run your life if you submit to it, which,apparently, you have. Yeah, we have an ITunes user here in our home.. Sucks for her, none of her music runs on the usual music delivery systems (mp3) we run in the camp site.... Your ignorance is blissful. -- Religion: together we can find the cure. |
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On 11/22/2013 9:32 AM, Hank© wrote:
On 11/22/2013 9:15 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 11/22/13, 8:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/22/2013 7:26 AM, John H wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 20:44:33 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/21/2013 7:39 PM, John H wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:51:28 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/21/2013 5:38 PM, wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:19:19 -0500, John H wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:12:55 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 07:13:17 -0500, John H wrote: On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 17:44:26 -0500, wrote: A lot of IE is actually resident in Windoze. That would help explain it. I've learned patience when it comes to Firefox. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! There must be something else going on. I get the browser window in a second or so every time. I wonder if there is some spyware program that is loading too. Look at your plug ins Here they a Adobe Acrobat McAfee Site Advisor Quick Time Shockwave Flash Silverlight Windows Presentation Foundation John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! The only addons I see is Logitech Device Detection and my virus scanner. I am no expert but based on previous experience, if I were John I'd dump McAfee and substitute it with AVG. I used to have McAfee as a anti-virus program but it slowed the computer I had at the time down. Not as bad as Norton, but still consumed a lot of resources. I've been using AVG now for over four years and like it a lot. Doesn't seem to affect the computer speed and works just fine. I don't use McAfee as an anti-virus program. The site advisor is a separate plug-in. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! It's still a McAfee program running in the background checking the websites you visit to see if there's a record of malware, viruses, etc. I had it. I got rid of it and my computer ran much faster and smoother. As Greg said, McAfee is a virus unto itself, much like Norton used to be. It was on the XP laptop that I have but no longer use, BTW. Someone recommended AVG and I've used it ever since. The only time it has an affect on computer speed is when you have initiated a full scan of your computer. What's nice about it however is that you can set a priority from "user sensitive" which allows you to continue to use the computer for other things while it scans with little to no affect on computer speed to "Fast" which is good if you are not going to use the computer for a while. I used the free version for two years and liked it so much that I upgraded to the full version. Frankly, I think the free version was sufficient for protection. AVG will also block or alert you to a suspicious website also, like McAfee. It just doesn't bog your computer down doing so. I'll give it a shot, thanks. Cox sent free McAfee to all its subscribers. I've undone the McAfee virus scan, but left the site advisor. Will shut it down and see what happens. An IT friend convinced me to can McAfee and go with the Microsoft Security Essentials, which is what I've done. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! John, again, I am far from being a computer expert but I know it is generally *not* recommended to have two virus protection programs running on your computer at the same time. You may have turned off the routine McAfee virus scan of the hard drive but if you left "site adviser" running it means that McAfee is still installed and running. It could possibly conflict with the Microsoft Security Essentials. You might want to read this: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/securitytipstalk/archive/2011/06/02/does-microsoft-security-essentials-work-with-other-antivirus-software.aspx McAfee was the clown the Repubs brought in as their expert consultant on the ACA software. I thought that was hilarious...a possible murderer and perpetrator of virii and spyware who would love to insert a backdoor into a federal government computer network. Which antivirus software is your I-Etch-a-sketch running. Inquiring minds really don't G A S. ;-) Is harry really trying to bring up who the repubs brought in? We all know who Michelle Obummer brought it, and that bitch failed to the tune of a half billion dollars.... and we still don't have a website... A group of programmers put up a site last week that will show you what you will spend on Obummercare, they built it over a weekend, in three days... |
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On 11/22/2013 9:46 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/22/13, 9:37 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/22/2013 9:16 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 11/22/13, 8:10 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/22/2013 7:33 AM, John H wrote: My wife convinced me to get iTunes. Biggest boo-boo I've made. She even gave me iTunes gift cards. But, iTunes gets to be all-consuming. Now it's gone. If I want new music on my Ipod (or whatever the little thing's called) I just ask her to sync it with her Bluegrass. Mostly I just leave it alone. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Yeah, I have a super duper iPad with all the bells and whistles and maximum memory. I bought it back when I had the guitar shop and we'd leave it out on a table so customers could check guitar prices, etc. by having it display the shop's website. I'd also occasionally transfer mp3 backing tracks from my PC to it (using iTunes) and plug the iPad into the stage PA system for "jam" sessions. Now it sits unused in my house, collecting dust. iTunes is all-consuming? What kind of ignorant nonsense talk is that? I don't think it's "all consuming" but I think it's annoying that you *have* to have it installed and use it to transfer stuff from your PC to an Apple device like the iPad. If iTunes is installed on your computer it regularly knocks on your door looking to be updated or offering other services I am not interested in. That's why my iPad now sits, unused. That's another thing ... Seems like every couple of weeks when I *did* use it, it wanted to update it's OS, a process that seemed to take forever. Seems to me that Apple used to be a sorta cool, technology driven company but has shifted to being totally marketing/sales driven in recent years. Apple updates its software from time to time. So does Microsoft. I can't recall being "offered" other services from Apple other than by email. The Microsoft Windows updates are mostly security related and don't radically change how your computer looks, feels or acts. The iPad OS updates are like starting all over again, similar to when you first bought and used it. It also asks for you Apple ID and password each time, which I can never remember because I rarely use anything Apple. The last time I updated the OS on the iPad (about a month an a half ago) I wasn't sure it was even going to run and the screen looked totally different when it finally finished. I guess I am just used to PCs and Window operating systems. Apple used to have a reputation of being simple and intuitive in it's use. Not so much anymore, IMO. |
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On 11/22/13, 9:57 AM, KC wrote:
On 11/22/2013 9:32 AM, Hank© wrote: On 11/22/2013 9:15 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 11/22/13, 8:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/22/2013 7:26 AM, John H wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 20:44:33 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/21/2013 7:39 PM, John H wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:51:28 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/21/2013 5:38 PM, wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:19:19 -0500, John H wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:12:55 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 07:13:17 -0500, John H wrote: On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 17:44:26 -0500, wrote: A lot of IE is actually resident in Windoze. That would help explain it. I've learned patience when it comes to Firefox. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! There must be something else going on. I get the browser window in a second or so every time. I wonder if there is some spyware program that is loading too. Look at your plug ins Here they a Adobe Acrobat McAfee Site Advisor Quick Time Shockwave Flash Silverlight Windows Presentation Foundation John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! The only addons I see is Logitech Device Detection and my virus scanner. I am no expert but based on previous experience, if I were John I'd dump McAfee and substitute it with AVG. I used to have McAfee as a anti-virus program but it slowed the computer I had at the time down. Not as bad as Norton, but still consumed a lot of resources. I've been using AVG now for over four years and like it a lot. Doesn't seem to affect the computer speed and works just fine. I don't use McAfee as an anti-virus program. The site advisor is a separate plug-in. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! It's still a McAfee program running in the background checking the websites you visit to see if there's a record of malware, viruses, etc. I had it. I got rid of it and my computer ran much faster and smoother. As Greg said, McAfee is a virus unto itself, much like Norton used to be. It was on the XP laptop that I have but no longer use, BTW. Someone recommended AVG and I've used it ever since. The only time it has an affect on computer speed is when you have initiated a full scan of your computer. What's nice about it however is that you can set a priority from "user sensitive" which allows you to continue to use the computer for other things while it scans with little to no affect on computer speed to "Fast" which is good if you are not going to use the computer for a while. I used the free version for two years and liked it so much that I upgraded to the full version. Frankly, I think the free version was sufficient for protection. AVG will also block or alert you to a suspicious website also, like McAfee. It just doesn't bog your computer down doing so. I'll give it a shot, thanks. Cox sent free McAfee to all its subscribers. I've undone the McAfee virus scan, but left the site advisor. Will shut it down and see what happens. An IT friend convinced me to can McAfee and go with the Microsoft Security Essentials, which is what I've done. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! John, again, I am far from being a computer expert but I know it is generally *not* recommended to have two virus protection programs running on your computer at the same time. You may have turned off the routine McAfee virus scan of the hard drive but if you left "site adviser" running it means that McAfee is still installed and running. It could possibly conflict with the Microsoft Security Essentials. You might want to read this: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/securitytipstalk/archive/2011/06/02/does-microsoft-security-essentials-work-with-other-antivirus-software.aspx McAfee was the clown the Repubs brought in as their expert consultant on the ACA software. I thought that was hilarious...a possible murderer and perpetrator of virii and spyware who would love to insert a backdoor into a federal government computer network. Which antivirus software is your I-Etch-a-sketch running. Inquiring minds really don't G A S. ;-) Is harry really trying to bring up who the repubs brought in? We all know who Michelle Obummer brought it, and that bitch failed to the tune of a half billion dollars.... and we still don't have a website... A group of programmers put up a site last week that will show you what you will spend on Obummercare, they built it over a weekend, in three days... What site do you visit for your Connecticut Medicaid? -- Religion: together we can find the cure. |
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On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 21:10:14 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Electronics and hard drive life are more affected by thermal cycles generated by routinely turning them on and off, on and off. It's not unlike an incandescent light bulb that will last a long time if it's left on. I am not sure how accurate it is these days but IBM determined in the early 90s that a single power off/on cycle on a 3,5" drive had the same impact on MTBF as running 8 hours. Basically, if you use it once a shift, leave it on. What I recall to have heard from some computer experts (based on tests performed by independent test laboratories) several years ago were that each power cycle on hard drives could equal up to 300 hours of normal operation. Back in the late 80's, the average MTBF for hard drives could be up to 50,000 hours of operations. At the and of the 90's, the average MTBF for hard drives had increased to up to 300,000 hours of operation. Nowadays, some manufacturers advertise hard drives (not SSHD's) with an MTBF of up to 2,000,000 hours of operation, or roughly equal to about 230 years! Oh, and just for the record: I attended my first computer course back in 1978 - that's now 35 years ago and before things like PCs and Microsoft Windows even existed on the market... And I bought my first "home computer" back in 1979... Stig Arne Bye E-mail ......: lid lid Snail-Mail ..: Axel Borgens veg 4, NO-9900 Kirkenes, Norway Homepage ....: COMING LATER: http://stigbye.footballclubs.io http://stigbye.motocross.io ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Located just about 70°N 30°E - Almost at the top of the world! Remove ".invalid" from mail address to reply to me by direct e-mail! |
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On 11/22/13, 10:01 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/22/2013 9:46 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 11/22/13, 9:37 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/22/2013 9:16 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 11/22/13, 8:10 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/22/2013 7:33 AM, John H wrote: My wife convinced me to get iTunes. Biggest boo-boo I've made. She even gave me iTunes gift cards. But, iTunes gets to be all-consuming. Now it's gone. If I want new music on my Ipod (or whatever the little thing's called) I just ask her to sync it with her Bluegrass. Mostly I just leave it alone. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Yeah, I have a super duper iPad with all the bells and whistles and maximum memory. I bought it back when I had the guitar shop and we'd leave it out on a table so customers could check guitar prices, etc. by having it display the shop's website. I'd also occasionally transfer mp3 backing tracks from my PC to it (using iTunes) and plug the iPad into the stage PA system for "jam" sessions. Now it sits unused in my house, collecting dust. iTunes is all-consuming? What kind of ignorant nonsense talk is that? I don't think it's "all consuming" but I think it's annoying that you *have* to have it installed and use it to transfer stuff from your PC to an Apple device like the iPad. If iTunes is installed on your computer it regularly knocks on your door looking to be updated or offering other services I am not interested in. That's why my iPad now sits, unused. That's another thing ... Seems like every couple of weeks when I *did* use it, it wanted to update it's OS, a process that seemed to take forever. Seems to me that Apple used to be a sorta cool, technology driven company but has shifted to being totally marketing/sales driven in recent years. Apple updates its software from time to time. So does Microsoft. I can't recall being "offered" other services from Apple other than by email. The Microsoft Windows updates are mostly security related and don't radically change how your computer looks, feels or acts. The iPad OS updates are like starting all over again, similar to when you first bought and used it. It also asks for you Apple ID and password each time, which I can never remember because I rarely use anything Apple. The last time I updated the OS on the iPad (about a month an a half ago) I wasn't sure it was even going to run and the screen looked totally different when it finally finished. I guess I am just used to PCs and Window operating systems. Apple used to have a reputation of being simple and intuitive in it's use. Not so much anymore, IMO. The iPad updates take no longer to install, since it is the same OS, than the iPhone updates. Just a couple of minutes. Apple releases a few IOS updates a year to fix bugs and sometimes add features and update apps. The update to IOS 7 you installed a month and a half ago was a major update from Version 6 to Version 7 and had some significant changes to the way the operating system looks. There's plenty of simple documentation available on line from Apple and many other sources. Asking for your ID and PW is just a security measure. I have mine set to something simple. What model iPad do you have? -- Religion: together we can find the cure. |
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On 11/22/2013 10:11 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/22/13, 10:01 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/22/2013 9:46 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 11/22/13, 9:37 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/22/2013 9:16 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 11/22/13, 8:10 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/22/2013 7:33 AM, John H wrote: My wife convinced me to get iTunes. Biggest boo-boo I've made. She even gave me iTunes gift cards. But, iTunes gets to be all-consuming. Now it's gone. If I want new music on my Ipod (or whatever the little thing's called) I just ask her to sync it with her Bluegrass. Mostly I just leave it alone. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Yeah, I have a super duper iPad with all the bells and whistles and maximum memory. I bought it back when I had the guitar shop and we'd leave it out on a table so customers could check guitar prices, etc. by having it display the shop's website. I'd also occasionally transfer mp3 backing tracks from my PC to it (using iTunes) and plug the iPad into the stage PA system for "jam" sessions. Now it sits unused in my house, collecting dust. iTunes is all-consuming? What kind of ignorant nonsense talk is that? I don't think it's "all consuming" but I think it's annoying that you *have* to have it installed and use it to transfer stuff from your PC to an Apple device like the iPad. If iTunes is installed on your computer it regularly knocks on your door looking to be updated or offering other services I am not interested in. That's why my iPad now sits, unused. That's another thing ... Seems like every couple of weeks when I *did* use it, it wanted to update it's OS, a process that seemed to take forever. Seems to me that Apple used to be a sorta cool, technology driven company but has shifted to being totally marketing/sales driven in recent years. Apple updates its software from time to time. So does Microsoft. I can't recall being "offered" other services from Apple other than by email. The Microsoft Windows updates are mostly security related and don't radically change how your computer looks, feels or acts. The iPad OS updates are like starting all over again, similar to when you first bought and used it. It also asks for you Apple ID and password each time, which I can never remember because I rarely use anything Apple. The last time I updated the OS on the iPad (about a month an a half ago) I wasn't sure it was even going to run and the screen looked totally different when it finally finished. I guess I am just used to PCs and Window operating systems. Apple used to have a reputation of being simple and intuitive in it's use. Not so much anymore, IMO. The iPad updates take no longer to install, since it is the same OS, than the iPhone updates. Just a couple of minutes. Apple releases a few IOS updates a year to fix bugs and sometimes add features and update apps. The update to IOS 7 you installed a month and a half ago was a major update from Version 6 to Version 7 and had some significant changes to the way the operating system looks. There's plenty of simple documentation available on line from Apple and many other sources. Asking for your ID and PW is just a security measure. I have mine set to something simple. What model iPad do you have? I don't know what model it is. I know it was the most expensive they had at the time which was probably about three years ago. IIRC, it was just under $900 from the local Apple store. We got a little bit of a price break (not much though) because we bought four of them at the same time. We bought them when there was a shortage of them, so we grabbed them when we could. My wife has one. She uses hers more than I do for playing Scrabble or something with her friends and also for Skype when she wants to see and talk to our son's family in South Carolina. I have one. The other two went to people who worked at the guitar shop at the time. |
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On 11/22/13, 10:29 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/22/2013 10:11 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 11/22/13, 10:01 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/22/2013 9:46 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 11/22/13, 9:37 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/22/2013 9:16 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 11/22/13, 8:10 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/22/2013 7:33 AM, John H wrote: My wife convinced me to get iTunes. Biggest boo-boo I've made. She even gave me iTunes gift cards. But, iTunes gets to be all-consuming. Now it's gone. If I want new music on my Ipod (or whatever the little thing's called) I just ask her to sync it with her Bluegrass. Mostly I just leave it alone. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Yeah, I have a super duper iPad with all the bells and whistles and maximum memory. I bought it back when I had the guitar shop and we'd leave it out on a table so customers could check guitar prices, etc. by having it display the shop's website. I'd also occasionally transfer mp3 backing tracks from my PC to it (using iTunes) and plug the iPad into the stage PA system for "jam" sessions. Now it sits unused in my house, collecting dust. iTunes is all-consuming? What kind of ignorant nonsense talk is that? I don't think it's "all consuming" but I think it's annoying that you *have* to have it installed and use it to transfer stuff from your PC to an Apple device like the iPad. If iTunes is installed on your computer it regularly knocks on your door looking to be updated or offering other services I am not interested in. That's why my iPad now sits, unused. That's another thing ... Seems like every couple of weeks when I *did* use it, it wanted to update it's OS, a process that seemed to take forever. Seems to me that Apple used to be a sorta cool, technology driven company but has shifted to being totally marketing/sales driven in recent years. Apple updates its software from time to time. So does Microsoft. I can't recall being "offered" other services from Apple other than by email. The Microsoft Windows updates are mostly security related and don't radically change how your computer looks, feels or acts. The iPad OS updates are like starting all over again, similar to when you first bought and used it. It also asks for you Apple ID and password each time, which I can never remember because I rarely use anything Apple. The last time I updated the OS on the iPad (about a month an a half ago) I wasn't sure it was even going to run and the screen looked totally different when it finally finished. I guess I am just used to PCs and Window operating systems. Apple used to have a reputation of being simple and intuitive in it's use. Not so much anymore, IMO. The iPad updates take no longer to install, since it is the same OS, than the iPhone updates. Just a couple of minutes. Apple releases a few IOS updates a year to fix bugs and sometimes add features and update apps. The update to IOS 7 you installed a month and a half ago was a major update from Version 6 to Version 7 and had some significant changes to the way the operating system looks. There's plenty of simple documentation available on line from Apple and many other sources. Asking for your ID and PW is just a security measure. I have mine set to something simple. What model iPad do you have? I don't know what model it is. I know it was the most expensive they had at the time which was probably about three years ago. IIRC, it was just under $900 from the local Apple store. We got a little bit of a price break (not much though) because we bought four of them at the same time. We bought them when there was a shortage of them, so we grabbed them when we could. My wife has one. She uses hers more than I do for playing Scrabble or something with her friends and also for Skype when she wants to see and talk to our son's family in South Carolina. I have one. The other two went to people who worked at the guitar shop at the time. Ah. You must have purchased the one with built in data abilities, in addition to WiFi. I sold my iPad and went back to a laptop for on the road computing. -- Religion: together we can find the cure. |
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On 11/22/13, 1:03 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 12:00:11 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/22/13, 11:54 AM, wrote: On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 06:47:41 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: You should buy my iMac when I get ready to sell it so you have a modern piece of gear. :) OK I will give you $100 for it. Heheh. You're $500 light of the wholesale price of this model. And what does it do that my $100 Wintel doesn't do? It sounds like a $100 computer and $500 worth of hype. I don't know what a $100 Wintel is, other than possibly a smash together of Windows and Intel. Oh, I meant wholesale price...used. -- Religion: together we can find the cure. |
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F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/21/13, 9:43 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/21/2013 8:45 AM, John H wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 08:33:07 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/21/2013 7:13 AM, John H wrote: On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 17:44:26 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 23:20:36 +0100, Stig Arne Bye wrote: John H wrote: On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 15:55:08 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 15:42:58 -0500, John H wrote: On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 10:23:27 -0500, Hank© wrote: Has anyone updated to IE11. Any comments or feedback? I'm still using XP. The latest I can use if IE8. Another good reason to run Firefox. IE8 will not open a lot of things but Firefox will. (Bill Gates trying to sell more product) I've had Firefox run into problems opening Microsoft stuff. But I like Firefox. Never had any problems with it, although it is slow to open compared to IE8. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! I do also have one computer running XP SP3 with multiple browsers installed, and by using a stop watch, I measured and compared the time to open IE and Firefox after clicking the shortcut. After doing this test 5 times for each browser, I got the following results: - IE (version 8.0) opened in 1.37 seconds in average. - Firefox (version 25.0.1) opened in 3.16 seconds in average. A lot of IE is actually resident in Windoze. That would help explain it. I've learned patience when it comes to Firefox. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! The first time after a reboot both Firefox and IE are slow to open on both of my computers (meaning four or five seconds) but after that they open fairly fast ... like a second or two. As previously mentioned, I don't use IE as a browser, but I just tried it for comparison. Doesn't seem to be any faster than Firefox. My computers are both laptops, one running Vista Home Premium (64 bit) and the other Win 7 Home Edition or something like that ... also 64 bit. When I bought them I was advised by a computer geek to make sure they had at least 4GB of RAM memory and a faster CPU (forget what speed they are). Both work fine, although Vista takes forever and a day to initially boot up. Once it's fully booted however it seems just as fast as Win 7. I also have an older XP laptop that has both IE and Firefox. It is slow as molasses compared to the Vista or Win 7 laptops. I called the builder of my computer yesterday about upgrading from XP. When mine was built, Vista was out. He told me to stick with XP, and that he'd upgrade it when a decent version came out. He offered to put Win 7 on it if I would bring it in. No charge...and it's not even an Apple! John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Depending on your amount of RAM and CPU clock speed, skipping over Vista probably made sense. It's a resource hog. I was told however that most of the problems associated with Vista were caused by insufficient RAM and relatively slow CPUs ... and ... most were 32 bit machines. The computer geek that advised me as to minimum memory and CPU speed to run Vista was correct, IMO. Other than being slow to initially boot, I have absolutely no complaints with the Vista laptop. It's fast, is stable and has been free of crashes. I used it at the guitar shop for four years and used the Win 7 computer at home. Now that I am no longer involved much in the shop, I brought the Vista laptop home and it sat for a long time, unused. Then I realized it has a much bigger screen than the Win 7 computer, so I switched over to it. I just read some of the stuff printed on the stickers on it. Apparently it is an HP model that was designed primarily for multimedia applications. It has more memory and a faster CPU. It runs fine, lasts a long time. :-) Just stopwatched the laptop ...12 seconds from hitting the power on key on my laptop until it completes the boot process. And I was wrong...it does make a call to the server for its backup folder and my documents folder and my connected SDXC card. It's the SSD drive that makes it that fast. If this is true it's courtesy of the US taxpayers and the other creditors he screwed! |
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F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/21/13, 10:03 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/21/2013 9:13 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 11/21/13, 8:54 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/21/2013 8:42 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 11/21/13, 8:33 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/21/2013 7:13 AM, John H wrote: On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 17:44:26 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 23:20:36 +0100, Stig Arne Bye wrote: John H wrote: On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 15:55:08 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 15:42:58 -0500, John H wrote: On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 10:23:27 -0500, Hank© wrote: Has anyone updated to IE11. Any comments or feedback? I'm still using XP. The latest I can use if IE8. Another good reason to run Firefox. IE8 will not open a lot of things but Firefox will. (Bill Gates trying to sell more product) I've had Firefox run into problems opening Microsoft stuff. But I like Firefox. Never had any problems with it, although it is slow to open compared to IE8. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! I do also have one computer running XP SP3 with multiple browsers installed, and by using a stop watch, I measured and compared the time to open IE and Firefox after clicking the shortcut. After doing this test 5 times for each browser, I got the following results: - IE (version 8.0) opened in 1.37 seconds in average. - Firefox (version 25.0.1) opened in 3.16 seconds in average. A lot of IE is actually resident in Windoze. That would help explain it. I've learned patience when it comes to Firefox. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! The first time after a reboot both Firefox and IE are slow to open on both of my computers (meaning four or five seconds) but after that they open fairly fast ... like a second or two. As previously mentioned, I don't use IE as a browser, but I just tried it for comparison. Doesn't seem to be any faster than Firefox. My computers are both laptops, one running Vista Home Premium (64 bit) and the other Win 7 Home Edition or something like that ... also 64 bit. When I bought them I was advised by a computer geek to make sure they had at least 4GB of RAM memory and a faster CPU (forget what speed they are). Both work fine, although Vista takes forever and a day to initially boot up. Once it's fully booted however it seems just as fast as Win 7. I also have an older XP laptop that has both IE and Firefox. It is slow as molasses compared to the Vista or Win 7 laptops. Sometimes there is more going on than just the startup of the operating system. On my desktop, running Mac OSX 10.9, the start up procedure includes not only the OS, but a connection to my server and a connection to a half dozen folders on that server and a couple of programs I run in the backaground, so it takes a little longer for the boot-up. But since it is a Mac, I rarely boot it up because it doesn't crash, and I don't have the BSODs that plague Windows. In fact, the last time I rebooted was a few weeks ago when I uploaded and installed the latest *free* version of the OS. I just leave the desktop machine ON and after 15 minutes of no keyboard activity or backup activity, the screen blanks out and the hard drive spools off. My laptop also runs OSX 10.9, but I don't usually connect it to the server, so the boot up is very fast, fastest I have ever seen, actually, on a consumer computer. The laptop has no hard drive in the traditional sense...it has an SSD. I'll have to time the boot up but my guess is that it takes no more than five seconds from the time I push the ON button. It's funny you mention crashes. I can't remember the last time either of my Windows based computers crashed. I also rarely shut them completely off either. I put them in "sleep" mode when they are not being used. The only time a reboot is required is after an update of the OS and occasionally after a major update by AVG (anti-virus). I have them set so I can pick and choose when I want the updates to be installed. XP was (is) a very stable program. The last time I recall routine crashes was back before it came along. I recently read that XP, Vista, Win7 and Win8 were all derived from Windows NT. I remember it because NT was an "industrialized" version of Windows or something. All the CAD PC stations in my company ran on Windows NT. Many of the interim updates for Windows 7 require a reboot, according to my wife, who runs that OS on her home computer. There seem to be "security" updates every week. I still use Microsoft's Office Suite, the Mac version. I've never liked it because of its complexity but most of my clients use it and when I prepare files or presentations for them, the work output has to be 100% compatible. I've tried some of the open source substitutes for these Microsoft programs, and they do work OK, but invariably there are "formatting" problems when importing or exporting to the non-Microsoft versions. My favorite word processor, XyWrite, fell by the wayside decades ago. One of my laptops (the Vista machine) has the full Microsoft Office suite installed. I use "Open Office" in the other one. I don't recall any problems with formatting issues using Open Office as long as you save the document in a fairly recent Word version. My lawyer friend was helping me draft a fairly lengthy legal document a while ago. He uses Mac computers exclusively. We were able to email the drafts back and forth, make changes and corrections without any difficulty. I was using Open Office. He was using whatever Microsoft Office program that ran on his Mac. He's an interesting guy. In addition to being a rock musician from the 60's with a somewhat major hit record that he still receives royalty checks for (he was a good friend of Duane Allmond), a lawyer, a guitar builder and a Democratic Socialist, he also wrote code and developed applications for Apple for a few years. He's a total Apple freak and always has the latest and greatest iPhone, OS or whatever. He can't understand why I, with my technical background, don't have the same level of interest or enthusiasm about smart phones and computers. I've tried to explain to him that to me they are just a tool. If they work and do the job I need them to do, I don't worry about having the latest and greatest. You'd get along famously with him. He's a good guy and we often have interesting but friendly political debates, unlike some that go on here. Some of us are capable of "friendly" political debates. Yet you choose to attack people and pretend to kill file them. |
Internet Explorer 11
F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/21/13, 10:29 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/21/2013 9:51 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: Just stopwatched the laptop ...12 seconds from hitting the power on key on my laptop until it completes the boot process. And I was wrong...it does make a call to the server for its backup folder and my documents folder and my connected SDXC card. It's the SSD drive that makes it that fast. When the time comes that I need a new computer, I am definitely going to look for a hard disk-less model. I'll get one with the SSD drive an use "The Cloud" for mass storage, if needed. My iMac desktop comes off of AppleCare soon, so I am thinking of selling it and getting a new iMac in 2014, one with only an SSD. I have a ton of software on my current iMac, and am only using 190 GBs of a 1000 GBs drive, so I think a 500 GBs SSD will be more than sufficient. I keep all my text, data, music and movie files on my server, and on a separate "critical stuff" backup drive, and I keep some of the music in "the cloud." I'm sure you believe every word you typed, deadbeat. |
Internet Explorer 11
F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/22/13, 9:49 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/22/2013 9:35 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 11/22/13, 9:27 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/22/2013 9:15 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 11/22/13, 8:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/22/2013 7:26 AM, John H wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 20:44:33 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/21/2013 7:39 PM, John H wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:51:28 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/21/2013 5:38 PM, wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:19:19 -0500, John H wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:12:55 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 07:13:17 -0500, John H wrote: On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 17:44:26 -0500, wrote: A lot of IE is actually resident in Windoze. That would help explain it. I've learned patience when it comes to Firefox. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! There must be something else going on. I get the browser window in a second or so every time. I wonder if there is some spyware program that is loading too. Look at your plug ins Here they a Adobe Acrobat McAfee Site Advisor Quick Time Shockwave Flash Silverlight Windows Presentation Foundation John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! The only addons I see is Logitech Device Detection and my virus scanner. I am no expert but based on previous experience, if I were John I'd dump McAfee and substitute it with AVG. I used to have McAfee as a anti-virus program but it slowed the computer I had at the time down. Not as bad as Norton, but still consumed a lot of resources. I've been using AVG now for over four years and like it a lot. Doesn't seem to affect the computer speed and works just fine. I don't use McAfee as an anti-virus program. The site advisor is a separate plug-in. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! It's still a McAfee program running in the background checking the websites you visit to see if there's a record of malware, viruses, etc. I had it. I got rid of it and my computer ran much faster and smoother. As Greg said, McAfee is a virus unto itself, much like Norton used to be. It was on the XP laptop that I have but no longer use, BTW. Someone recommended AVG and I've used it ever since. The only time it has an affect on computer speed is when you have initiated a full scan of your computer. What's nice about it however is that you can set a priority from "user sensitive" which allows you to continue to use the computer for other things while it scans with little to no affect on computer speed to "Fast" which is good if you are not going to use the computer for a while. I used the free version for two years and liked it so much that I upgraded to the full version. Frankly, I think the free version was sufficient for protection. AVG will also block or alert you to a suspicious website also, like McAfee. It just doesn't bog your computer down doing so. I'll give it a shot, thanks. Cox sent free McAfee to all its subscribers. I've undone the McAfee virus scan, but left the site advisor. Will shut it down and see what happens. An IT friend convinced me to can McAfee and go with the Microsoft Security Essentials, which is what I've done. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! John, again, I am far from being a computer expert but I know it is generally *not* recommended to have two virus protection programs running on your computer at the same time. You may have turned off the routine McAfee virus scan of the hard drive but if you left "site adviser" running it means that McAfee is still installed and running. It could possibly conflict with the Microsoft Security Essentials. You might want to read this: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/securitytipstalk/archive/2011/06/02/does-microsoft-security-essentials-work-with-other-antivirus-software.aspx McAfee was the clown the Repubs brought in as their expert consultant on the ACA software. I thought that was hilarious...a possible murderer and perpetrator of virii and spyware who would love to insert a backdoor into a federal government computer network. John McAfee has nothing to do with the current McAfee, Inc. other than sharing his name since he was the founder. He resigned from the company in 1994 and McAfee, Inc. is currently a wholly owned subsidiary of Intel. Did I say he was still involved with McAfee? No, I did not. Well, at least Peter Norton stayed intellectually honest after he sold out to Symantec, which proceeded to ruin his products. No, you did not however we were discussing the McAfee computer program, not the antics of John McAfee who has nothing to do with the program under discussion. *You* attempted to make the connection in another of your politically biased jabs. If I were Intel, I'd change the name of that program to something that doesn't conjure up a possible murderer. They could call it...oh, "the OJ Suite," or "the Zimmerman Solution." BTW, I used to use a Windows music program called foobar2000. It's been kept up to date and has what I consider a nice interface: http://www.foobar2000.org/ Cut and run! |
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