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On 11/21/2013 3:16 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/21/13, 3:07 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/21/2013 11:18 AM, Hank© wrote: Just stopwatched the laptop ...12 seconds from hitting the power on key on my laptop until it completes the boot process. And I was wrong...it does make a call to the server for its backup folder and my documents folder and my connected SDXC card. It's the SSD drive that makes it that fast. In windows land we call what you described, waking up from sleep mode. I just timed sleep mode to ready to go (including connecting to router and Internet) on the Vista laptop. About 3-4 seconds. I shut my laptop completely off when I am not using it. Desktop after 15 minutes the screen goes black and the hard drive spools down. I believe, though, the net connection stays active unless I change that setting. If your computer maintains a connection to the router, it's not completely shut off. You are probably familiar with the Windows "sleep" mode, but for clarification, it's not the "hibernate mode". In sleep mode, the display is blanked (video circuit shut down), the audio circuits are shut off, the hard drive is shut down and the internal WiFi system is turned off. All that remains running are some of the CPU circuits that draw very little power because nothing is being processed. To exit sleep mode any key is depressed (or the display lid is opened, depending on how you set it up), the disk drive starts spinning, the video circuits are turned on, audio turned on and the WiFi has to turn on and sync to the router. On this computer this whole process takes less than 4 seconds and you're ready to open an application or browser. |
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On 11/21/13, 3:30 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/21/2013 3:16 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 11/21/13, 3:07 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/21/2013 11:18 AM, Hank© wrote: Just stopwatched the laptop ...12 seconds from hitting the power on key on my laptop until it completes the boot process. And I was wrong...it does make a call to the server for its backup folder and my documents folder and my connected SDXC card. It's the SSD drive that makes it that fast. In windows land we call what you described, waking up from sleep mode. I just timed sleep mode to ready to go (including connecting to router and Internet) on the Vista laptop. About 3-4 seconds. I shut my laptop completely off when I am not using it. Desktop after 15 minutes the screen goes black and the hard drive spools down. I believe, though, the net connection stays active unless I change that setting. If your computer maintains a connection to the router, it's not completely shut off. You are probably familiar with the Windows "sleep" mode, but for clarification, it's not the "hibernate mode". In sleep mode, the display is blanked (video circuit shut down), the audio circuits are shut off, the hard drive is shut down and the internal WiFi system is turned off. All that remains running are some of the CPU circuits that draw very little power because nothing is being processed. To exit sleep mode any key is depressed (or the display lid is opened, depending on how you set it up), the disk drive starts spinning, the video circuits are turned on, audio turned on and the WiFi has to turn on and sync to the router. On this computer this whole process takes less than 4 seconds and you're ready to open an application or browser. I realize that. I leave the desktop on, but have the screen and hard drive shut down. The connection to the router remains on. -- Religion: together we can find the cure. |
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On 11/21/13, 5:38 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:19:19 -0500, John H wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:12:55 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 07:13:17 -0500, John H wrote: On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 17:44:26 -0500, wrote: A lot of IE is actually resident in Windoze. That would help explain it. I've learned patience when it comes to Firefox. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! There must be something else going on. I get the browser window in a second or so every time. I wonder if there is some spyware program that is loading too. Look at your plug ins Here they a Adobe Acrobat McAfee Site Advisor Quick Time Shockwave Flash Silverlight Windows Presentation Foundation John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! The only addons I see is Logitech Device Detection and my virus scanner. I have a whole slew of add-ons I use with Firefox and it starts up almost instantaneously. About 20 add-ons/extensions, and even more plug-ins. Usually two seconds to my home page, which is the Google advanced search page. It helps to have a fast CPU and an OS without the avoirdupois of Windows. :) -- Religion: together we can find the cure. |
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On 11/21/2013 5:38 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:19:19 -0500, John H wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:12:55 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 07:13:17 -0500, John H wrote: On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 17:44:26 -0500, wrote: A lot of IE is actually resident in Windoze. That would help explain it. I've learned patience when it comes to Firefox. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! There must be something else going on. I get the browser window in a second or so every time. I wonder if there is some spyware program that is loading too. Look at your plug ins Here they a Adobe Acrobat McAfee Site Advisor Quick Time Shockwave Flash Silverlight Windows Presentation Foundation John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! The only addons I see is Logitech Device Detection and my virus scanner. I am no expert but based on previous experience, if I were John I'd dump McAfee and substitute it with AVG. I used to have McAfee as a anti-virus program but it slowed the computer I had at the time down. Not as bad as Norton, but still consumed a lot of resources. I've been using AVG now for over four years and like it a lot. Doesn't seem to affect the computer speed and works just fine. |
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On 11/21/13, 5:51 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/21/2013 5:38 PM, wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:19:19 -0500, John H wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:12:55 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 07:13:17 -0500, John H wrote: On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 17:44:26 -0500, wrote: A lot of IE is actually resident in Windoze. That would help explain it. I've learned patience when it comes to Firefox. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! There must be something else going on. I get the browser window in a second or so every time. I wonder if there is some spyware program that is loading too. Look at your plug ins Here they a Adobe Acrobat McAfee Site Advisor Quick Time Shockwave Flash Silverlight Windows Presentation Foundation John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! The only addons I see is Logitech Device Detection and my virus scanner. I am no expert but based on previous experience, if I were John I'd dump McAfee and substitute it with AVG. I used to have McAfee as a anti-virus program but it slowed the computer I had at the time down. Not as bad as Norton, but still consumed a lot of resources. I've been using AVG now for over four years and like it a lot. Doesn't seem to affect the computer speed and works just fine. Or get an Apple and . . . -- Religion: together we can find the cure. |
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On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:38:12 -0500, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:19:19 -0500, John H wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:12:55 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 07:13:17 -0500, John H wrote: On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 17:44:26 -0500, wrote: A lot of IE is actually resident in Windoze. That would help explain it. I've learned patience when it comes to Firefox. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! There must be something else going on. I get the browser window in a second or so every time. I wonder if there is some spyware program that is loading too. Look at your plug ins Here they a Adobe Acrobat McAfee Site Advisor Quick Time Shockwave Flash Silverlight Windows Presentation Foundation John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! The only addons I see is Logitech Device Detection and my virus scanner. Actually, the list I gave was plug-ins, not add-ons. I don't have any add-ons enabled. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
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On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:51:28 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 11/21/2013 5:38 PM, wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:19:19 -0500, John H wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:12:55 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 07:13:17 -0500, John H wrote: On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 17:44:26 -0500, wrote: A lot of IE is actually resident in Windoze. That would help explain it. I've learned patience when it comes to Firefox. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! There must be something else going on. I get the browser window in a second or so every time. I wonder if there is some spyware program that is loading too. Look at your plug ins Here they a Adobe Acrobat McAfee Site Advisor Quick Time Shockwave Flash Silverlight Windows Presentation Foundation John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! The only addons I see is Logitech Device Detection and my virus scanner. I am no expert but based on previous experience, if I were John I'd dump McAfee and substitute it with AVG. I used to have McAfee as a anti-virus program but it slowed the computer I had at the time down. Not as bad as Norton, but still consumed a lot of resources. I've been using AVG now for over four years and like it a lot. Doesn't seem to affect the computer speed and works just fine. I don't use McAfee as an anti-virus program. The site advisor is a separate plug-in. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 11/21/13, 6:16 PM, wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:56:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Or get an Apple and . . ... not own a computer, just an appliance. I enjoy having computers that are as reliably solid as my refrigerator. Apple is as reliable as any other computer. But most virus are written for the 80% of the home PC market. Which is MS. Apple computer has lots of problems in dealing with the present world. Can not open a lot of the files you receive via email. So you have to either buy a lot of Apps. I run Open Office on the iMac so I can look at and print .xls files. I do have Pages, but when you are kicking out $7-40 for lots of apps on an expensive machine anyway, it starts to hurt. No support for Flash, etc. |
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"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
It's funny you mention crashes. I can't remember the last time either of my Windows based computers crashed. I also rarely shut them completely off either. I put them in "sleep" mode when they are not being used. The only time a reboot is required is after an update of the OS and occasionally after a major update by AVG (anti-virus). I have them set so I can pick and choose when I want the updates to be installed. XP was (is) a very stable program. The last time I recall routine crashes was back before it came along. I recently read that XP, Vista, Win7 and Win8 were all derived from Windows NT. I remember it because NT was an "industrialized" version of Windows or something. All the CAD PC stations in my company ran on Windows NT. The computer running XP SP3 is practically never shut down. In short, the only power/sleep configuration I have done in Windows is to turn off the monitor after 10 minutes, leaving everything else (CPU, hard drives, etc.) powered up and running 24/7... The only time that computer is actually off is when I'm doing some hardware installations and similar, and of course in case of a power outage (that occasionally happen). The only time that computer is rebooted is after certain operations that require a system reboot, for example after certain software updates and similar. There has of course been some instances where I had to perform a forced reboot or shutdown by either pressing the "Reset"-button or the power switch, but that has mainly been due to some third party applications causing problems, for example hardware delivered with incompatible or out-of-date drivers (until the drivers has been updated from the Internet). Some time ago, I also had a strange problem where the computer suddenly stopped with the well known blue screen in Windows. When rebooted, Windows started normally and there were no other indications of any problems, and the computer could run for days until the problem suddenly occurred again. After scratching my head, and after running several test and diagnose programs (that of course didn't find any problems), I finally managed to find the problem after some extensive troubleshooting. It turned out to be a very rare power problem, and not what one usually expect to find. In the 4-wire power cable from the power supply to one of the three hard drives I have installed, the yellow wire (+ 12V) was broken inside and in a such way that the wire ends just touched each other and that was not visible on the outer cable insulation. Due to this, the hard drive occasionally lost 12V drive power for some moments, which Windows detected as a major hardware or system failure and thus triggered an error state. After splicing the wire properly, that problem has never since been present... And while mentioning the hard drives: One of the three hard drives I currently have installed in that computer is an oldie (mfg.date 01/17/04) which has been constantly powered up almost it's entire life time. According to a SMART-monitor, that drive do now have a total "Power On Hours Count" of 83,140 hours, which equals 3,464 days or approx. 9 years and 6 months, and there has never been any problems with that hard drive, not even a single bad sector and similar, and where all SMART-parameters are well inside the factory threshold limits... Stig Arne Bye E-mail ......: lid lid Snail-Mail ..: Axel Borgens veg 4, NO-9900 Kirkenes, Norway Homepage ....: COMING LATER: http://stigbye.footballclubs.io http://stigbye.motocross.io ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Located just about 70°N 30°E - Almost at the top of the world! Remove ".invalid" from mail address to reply to me by direct e-mail! |
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On 11/21/2013 7:39 PM, John H wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:51:28 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/21/2013 5:38 PM, wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:19:19 -0500, John H wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:12:55 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 07:13:17 -0500, John H wrote: On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 17:44:26 -0500, wrote: A lot of IE is actually resident in Windoze. That would help explain it. I've learned patience when it comes to Firefox. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! There must be something else going on. I get the browser window in a second or so every time. I wonder if there is some spyware program that is loading too. Look at your plug ins Here they a Adobe Acrobat McAfee Site Advisor Quick Time Shockwave Flash Silverlight Windows Presentation Foundation John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! The only addons I see is Logitech Device Detection and my virus scanner. I am no expert but based on previous experience, if I were John I'd dump McAfee and substitute it with AVG. I used to have McAfee as a anti-virus program but it slowed the computer I had at the time down. Not as bad as Norton, but still consumed a lot of resources. I've been using AVG now for over four years and like it a lot. Doesn't seem to affect the computer speed and works just fine. I don't use McAfee as an anti-virus program. The site advisor is a separate plug-in. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! It's still a McAfee program running in the background checking the websites you visit to see if there's a record of malware, viruses, etc. I had it. I got rid of it and my computer ran much faster and smoother. As Greg said, McAfee is a virus unto itself, much like Norton used to be. It was on the XP laptop that I have but no longer use, BTW. Someone recommended AVG and I've used it ever since. The only time it has an affect on computer speed is when you have initiated a full scan of your computer. What's nice about it however is that you can set a priority from "user sensitive" which allows you to continue to use the computer for other things while it scans with little to no affect on computer speed to "Fast" which is good if you are not going to use the computer for a while. I used the free version for two years and liked it so much that I upgraded to the full version. Frankly, I think the free version was sufficient for protection. AVG will also block or alert you to a suspicious website also, like McAfee. It just doesn't bog your computer down doing so. |
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On 11/21/2013 8:25 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 18:18:42 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/21/13, 6:16 PM, wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:56:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Or get an Apple and . . ... not own a computer, just an appliance. I enjoy having computers that are as reliably solid as my refrigerator. That is fine if you are willing to let Apple decide what you want to do with your appliance. My Dutch neighbor and I had this discussion a few years ago and he was telling me about how wonderful his Apple stuff was. Then he got interested in drones and suddenly discovered how limiting the Apple hardware and software was for anything Apple didn't invent. He has Windows and Android machines now. At some point in the past four years I install iTunes on my PC. Oh ... it was when I got an iPad and wanted to transfer music files or something to it. Never used it much however. But I still occasionally get annoying popups when I first start my computer from iTunes wanting to upgrade something. I thought I had deleted it ... in fact I know I did, but the popups still show up from time to time. It's like trying to get rid of Norton years ago. Even if you uninstalled the main Norton program certain remnants remained that kept trying to get you to reinstall it. I forget how it was done but a computer geek friend of mine finally got rid of *all* the Norton related files and the unwanted invitations stopped. |
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On 11/21/2013 8:39 PM, Stig Arne Bye wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote: It's funny you mention crashes. I can't remember the last time either of my Windows based computers crashed. I also rarely shut them completely off either. I put them in "sleep" mode when they are not being used. The only time a reboot is required is after an update of the OS and occasionally after a major update by AVG (anti-virus). I have them set so I can pick and choose when I want the updates to be installed. XP was (is) a very stable program. The last time I recall routine crashes was back before it came along. I recently read that XP, Vista, Win7 and Win8 were all derived from Windows NT. I remember it because NT was an "industrialized" version of Windows or something. All the CAD PC stations in my company ran on Windows NT. The computer running XP SP3 is practically never shut down. In short, the only power/sleep configuration I have done in Windows is to turn off the monitor after 10 minutes, leaving everything else (CPU, hard drives, etc.) powered up and running 24/7... The only time that computer is actually off is when I'm doing some hardware installations and similar, and of course in case of a power outage (that occasionally happen). The only time that computer is rebooted is after certain operations that require a system reboot, for example after certain software updates and similar. There has of course been some instances where I had to perform a forced reboot or shutdown by either pressing the "Reset"-button or the power switch, but that has mainly been due to some third party applications causing problems, for example hardware delivered with incompatible or out-of-date drivers (until the drivers has been updated from the Internet). Some time ago, I also had a strange problem where the computer suddenly stopped with the well known blue screen in Windows. When rebooted, Windows started normally and there were no other indications of any problems, and the computer could run for days until the problem suddenly occurred again. After scratching my head, and after running several test and diagnose programs (that of course didn't find any problems), I finally managed to find the problem after some extensive troubleshooting. It turned out to be a very rare power problem, and not what one usually expect to find. In the 4-wire power cable from the power supply to one of the three hard drives I have installed, the yellow wire (+ 12V) was broken inside and in a such way that the wire ends just touched each other and that was not visible on the outer cable insulation. Due to this, the hard drive occasionally lost 12V drive power for some moments, which Windows detected as a major hardware or system failure and thus triggered an error state. After splicing the wire properly, that problem has never since been present... And while mentioning the hard drives: One of the three hard drives I currently have installed in that computer is an oldie (mfg.date 01/17/04) which has been constantly powered up almost it's entire life time. According to a SMART-monitor, that drive do now have a total "Power On Hours Count" of 83,140 hours, which equals 3,464 days or approx. 9 years and 6 months, and there has never been any problems with that hard drive, not even a single bad sector and similar, and where all SMART-parameters are well inside the factory threshold limits... Stig Arne Bye E-mail ......: lid lid Snail-Mail ..: Axel Borgens veg 4, NO-9900 Kirkenes, Norway Homepage ....: COMING LATER: http://stigbye.footballclubs.io http://stigbye.motocross.io ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Located just about 70°N 30°E - Almost at the top of the world! Remove ".invalid" from mail address to reply to me by direct e-mail! Electronics and hard drive life are more affected by thermal cycles generated by routinely turning them on and off, on and off. It's not unlike an incandescent light bulb that will last a long time if it's left on. Of course, the world has become power usage conscience, so we are encouraged to always turn off what you are not using. It benefits in that way but overall will end up shortening the life of the device. Power usage aside, it's better to leave them on 24/7. |
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On 11/21/13, 8:25 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 18:18:42 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/21/13, 6:16 PM, wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:56:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Or get an Apple and . . ... not own a computer, just an appliance. I enjoy having computers that are as reliably solid as my refrigerator. That is fine if you are willing to let Apple decide what you want to do with your appliance. My Dutch neighbor and I had this discussion a few years ago and he was telling me about how wonderful his Apple stuff was. Then he got interested in drones and suddenly discovered how limiting the Apple hardware and software was for anything Apple didn't invent. He has Windows and Android machines now. All the software I need is available for Apple computers...word processing, spread sheets, presentation, web design, financial, internet, photo processing, et cetera. -- Religion: together we can find the cure. |
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On 11/21/13, 8:37 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/21/13, 6:16 PM, wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:56:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Or get an Apple and . . ... not own a computer, just an appliance. I enjoy having computers that are as reliably solid as my refrigerator. Apple is as reliable as any other computer. But most virus are written for the 80% of the home PC market. Which is MS. Apple computer has lots of problems in dealing with the present world. Can not open a lot of the files you receive via email. So you have to either buy a lot of Apps. I run Open Office on the iMac so I can look at and print .xls files. I do have Pages, but when you are kicking out $7-40 for lots of apps on an expensive machine anyway, it starts to hurt. No support for Flash, etc. I have no problems opening files emailed to me. I have the Microsoft Office Suite, which includes EXCEL...for .XLS files. I don't miss FLASH. -- Religion: together we can find the cure. |
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On 11/21/2013 11:00 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 21:01:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/21/2013 8:25 PM, wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 18:18:42 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/21/13, 6:16 PM, wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:56:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Or get an Apple and . . ... not own a computer, just an appliance. I enjoy having computers that are as reliably solid as my refrigerator. That is fine if you are willing to let Apple decide what you want to do with your appliance. My Dutch neighbor and I had this discussion a few years ago and he was telling me about how wonderful his Apple stuff was. Then he got interested in drones and suddenly discovered how limiting the Apple hardware and software was for anything Apple didn't invent. He has Windows and Android machines now. At some point in the past four years I install iTunes on my PC. Oh ... it was when I got an iPad and wanted to transfer music files or something to it. Never used it much however. But I still occasionally get annoying popups when I first start my computer from iTunes wanting to upgrade something. I thought I had deleted it ... in fact I know I did, but the popups still show up from time to time. It's like trying to get rid of Norton years ago. Even if you uninstalled the main Norton program certain remnants remained that kept trying to get you to reinstall it. I forget how it was done but a computer geek friend of mine finally got rid of *all* the Norton related files and the unwanted invitations stopped. I never understood why I would ever want I tunes. It is a proprietary music format with copy restrictions and music that is more expensive than Amazon (assuming you actually pay anything at all). There is plenty of free content on the web. If nothing else you can just clip the audio off of YouTube but lots of artists have free content on their sites. As long as you have your ID3 tags set up right, handling the files is easy. I usually just use create M3U files for my playlists and virtually any player can use them. That's not the issue. I don't buy music files from iTunes. iTunes is required and used for more than just "getting" music files. You have to have iTunes installed on a PC in order to transfer files from it to an iPad. |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 11/21/13, 8:37 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/21/13, 6:16 PM, wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:56:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Or get an Apple and . . ... not own a computer, just an appliance. I enjoy having computers that are as reliably solid as my refrigerator. Apple is as reliable as any other computer. But most virus are written for the 80% of the home PC market. Which is MS. Apple computer has lots of problems in dealing with the present world. Can not open a lot of the files you receive via email. So you have to either buy a lot of Apps. I run Open Office on the iMac so I can look at and print .xls files. I do have Pages, but when you are kicking out $7-40 for lots of apps on an expensive machine anyway, it starts to hurt. No support for Flash, etc. I have no problems opening files emailed to me. I have the Microsoft Office Suite, which includes EXCEL...for .XLS files. I don't miss FLASH. And how much extra did you pay on top of the high price for Apple to get it to open the files? And Flash is ubiquitous to the web display. |
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On 11/22/13, 2:23 AM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/21/13, 8:37 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/21/13, 6:16 PM, wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:56:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Or get an Apple and . . ... not own a computer, just an appliance. I enjoy having computers that are as reliably solid as my refrigerator. Apple is as reliable as any other computer. But most virus are written for the 80% of the home PC market. Which is MS. Apple computer has lots of problems in dealing with the present world. Can not open a lot of the files you receive via email. So you have to either buy a lot of Apps. I run Open Office on the iMac so I can look at and print .xls files. I do have Pages, but when you are kicking out $7-40 for lots of apps on an expensive machine anyway, it starts to hurt. No support for Flash, etc. I have no problems opening files emailed to me. I have the Microsoft Office Suite, which includes EXCEL...for .XLS files. I don't miss FLASH. And how much extra did you pay on top of the high price for Apple to get it to open the files? And Flash is ubiquitous to the web display. The same amount extra, probably, any Windows user would have paid to obtain the Microsoft Office suite. I haven't run across FLASH as an integral and important part of a web site in a long time. -- Religion: together we can find the cure. |
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On 11/21/13, 11:00 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 21:01:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/21/2013 8:25 PM, wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 18:18:42 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/21/13, 6:16 PM, wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:56:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Or get an Apple and . . ... not own a computer, just an appliance. I enjoy having computers that are as reliably solid as my refrigerator. That is fine if you are willing to let Apple decide what you want to do with your appliance. My Dutch neighbor and I had this discussion a few years ago and he was telling me about how wonderful his Apple stuff was. Then he got interested in drones and suddenly discovered how limiting the Apple hardware and software was for anything Apple didn't invent. He has Windows and Android machines now. At some point in the past four years I install iTunes on my PC. Oh ... it was when I got an iPad and wanted to transfer music files or something to it. Never used it much however. But I still occasionally get annoying popups when I first start my computer from iTunes wanting to upgrade something. I thought I had deleted it ... in fact I know I did, but the popups still show up from time to time. It's like trying to get rid of Norton years ago. Even if you uninstalled the main Norton program certain remnants remained that kept trying to get you to reinstall it. I forget how it was done but a computer geek friend of mine finally got rid of *all* the Norton related files and the unwanted invitations stopped. I never understood why I would ever want I tunes. It is a proprietary music format with copy restrictions and music that is more expensive than Amazon (assuming you actually pay anything at all). There is plenty of free content on the web. If nothing else you can just clip the audio off of YouTube but lots of artists have free content on their sites. As long as you have your ID3 tags set up right, handling the files is easy. I usually just use create M3U files for my playlists and virtually any player can use them. There's no problem running free music content under iTunes, or even paid music content from sources other than Apple and not in iTunes format. You can also use iTunes to convert music in iTunes format to MP3 and other formats. iTunes is also used to manage and update iPhones, iPods, iPads, et cetera. -- Religion: together we can find the cure. |
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On 11/21/13, 11:09 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 21:27:19 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/21/13, 8:25 PM, wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 18:18:42 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/21/13, 6:16 PM, wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:56:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Or get an Apple and . . ... not own a computer, just an appliance. I enjoy having computers that are as reliably solid as my refrigerator. That is fine if you are willing to let Apple decide what you want to do with your appliance. My Dutch neighbor and I had this discussion a few years ago and he was telling me about how wonderful his Apple stuff was. Then he got interested in drones and suddenly discovered how limiting the Apple hardware and software was for anything Apple didn't invent. He has Windows and Android machines now. All the software I need is available for Apple computers...word processing, spread sheets, presentation, web design, financial, internet, photo processing, et cetera. As long as you are happy with what they sell you and have no interest in changing anything, you are the perfect Apple customer. I think out of the box quite a lot and the PC is just a tool with a lot of different things I can do with it. You said it before, I am a hobbyist. I just bought a pair of binoculars with a camera in it. Good thing I have a PC, Apple is not supported If there were some Windoze software I wanted to run, I likely could run it faster than you can on my Apple computers under VMWARE Fusion, which also makes available the hardware on my Apple computers. Faster, because I have newer computers than you have, with faster CPUs (both have multi core I7 processors), more and faster RAM (8 GB minimum), and more recent circuitry. But I haven't come across any Windoze software I want to run. A pair of binocs with a camera in it is not on my holiday "want" list. :) You should buy my iMac when I get ready to sell it so you have a modern piece of gear. :) -- Religion: together we can find the cure. |
Internet Explorer 11
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 20:44:33 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 11/21/2013 7:39 PM, John H wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:51:28 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/21/2013 5:38 PM, wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:19:19 -0500, John H wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:12:55 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 07:13:17 -0500, John H wrote: On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 17:44:26 -0500, wrote: A lot of IE is actually resident in Windoze. That would help explain it. I've learned patience when it comes to Firefox. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! There must be something else going on. I get the browser window in a second or so every time. I wonder if there is some spyware program that is loading too. Look at your plug ins Here they a Adobe Acrobat McAfee Site Advisor Quick Time Shockwave Flash Silverlight Windows Presentation Foundation John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! The only addons I see is Logitech Device Detection and my virus scanner. I am no expert but based on previous experience, if I were John I'd dump McAfee and substitute it with AVG. I used to have McAfee as a anti-virus program but it slowed the computer I had at the time down. Not as bad as Norton, but still consumed a lot of resources. I've been using AVG now for over four years and like it a lot. Doesn't seem to affect the computer speed and works just fine. I don't use McAfee as an anti-virus program. The site advisor is a separate plug-in. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! It's still a McAfee program running in the background checking the websites you visit to see if there's a record of malware, viruses, etc. I had it. I got rid of it and my computer ran much faster and smoother. As Greg said, McAfee is a virus unto itself, much like Norton used to be. It was on the XP laptop that I have but no longer use, BTW. Someone recommended AVG and I've used it ever since. The only time it has an affect on computer speed is when you have initiated a full scan of your computer. What's nice about it however is that you can set a priority from "user sensitive" which allows you to continue to use the computer for other things while it scans with little to no affect on computer speed to "Fast" which is good if you are not going to use the computer for a while. I used the free version for two years and liked it so much that I upgraded to the full version. Frankly, I think the free version was sufficient for protection. AVG will also block or alert you to a suspicious website also, like McAfee. It just doesn't bog your computer down doing so. I'll give it a shot, thanks. Cox sent free McAfee to all its subscribers. I've undone the McAfee virus scan, but left the site advisor. Will shut it down and see what happens. An IT friend convinced me to can McAfee and go with the Microsoft Security Essentials, which is what I've done. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
Internet Explorer 11
On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 01:46:02 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 11/21/2013 11:00 PM, wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 21:01:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/21/2013 8:25 PM, wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 18:18:42 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/21/13, 6:16 PM, wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:56:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Or get an Apple and . . ... not own a computer, just an appliance. I enjoy having computers that are as reliably solid as my refrigerator. That is fine if you are willing to let Apple decide what you want to do with your appliance. My Dutch neighbor and I had this discussion a few years ago and he was telling me about how wonderful his Apple stuff was. Then he got interested in drones and suddenly discovered how limiting the Apple hardware and software was for anything Apple didn't invent. He has Windows and Android machines now. At some point in the past four years I install iTunes on my PC. Oh ... it was when I got an iPad and wanted to transfer music files or something to it. Never used it much however. But I still occasionally get annoying popups when I first start my computer from iTunes wanting to upgrade something. I thought I had deleted it ... in fact I know I did, but the popups still show up from time to time. It's like trying to get rid of Norton years ago. Even if you uninstalled the main Norton program certain remnants remained that kept trying to get you to reinstall it. I forget how it was done but a computer geek friend of mine finally got rid of *all* the Norton related files and the unwanted invitations stopped. I never understood why I would ever want I tunes. It is a proprietary music format with copy restrictions and music that is more expensive than Amazon (assuming you actually pay anything at all). There is plenty of free content on the web. If nothing else you can just clip the audio off of YouTube but lots of artists have free content on their sites. As long as you have your ID3 tags set up right, handling the files is easy. I usually just use create M3U files for my playlists and virtually any player can use them. That's not the issue. I don't buy music files from iTunes. iTunes is required and used for more than just "getting" music files. You have to have iTunes installed on a PC in order to transfer files from it to an iPad. My wife convinced me to get iTunes. Biggest boo-boo I've made. She even gave me iTunes gift cards. But, iTunes gets to be all-consuming. Now it's gone. If I want new music on my Ipod (or whatever the little thing's called) I just ask her to sync it with her Bluegrass. Mostly I just leave it alone. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
Internet Explorer 11
On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 06:47:41 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 11/21/13, 11:09 PM, wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 21:27:19 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/21/13, 8:25 PM, wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 18:18:42 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/21/13, 6:16 PM, wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:56:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Or get an Apple and . . ... not own a computer, just an appliance. I enjoy having computers that are as reliably solid as my refrigerator. That is fine if you are willing to let Apple decide what you want to do with your appliance. My Dutch neighbor and I had this discussion a few years ago and he was telling me about how wonderful his Apple stuff was. Then he got interested in drones and suddenly discovered how limiting the Apple hardware and software was for anything Apple didn't invent. He has Windows and Android machines now. All the software I need is available for Apple computers...word processing, spread sheets, presentation, web design, financial, internet, photo processing, et cetera. As long as you are happy with what they sell you and have no interest in changing anything, you are the perfect Apple customer. I think out of the box quite a lot and the PC is just a tool with a lot of different things I can do with it. You said it before, I am a hobbyist. I just bought a pair of binoculars with a camera in it. Good thing I have a PC, Apple is not supported If there were some Windoze software I wanted to run, I likely could run it faster than you can on my Apple computers under VMWARE Fusion, which also makes available the hardware on my Apple computers. Faster, because I have newer computers than you have, with faster CPUs (both have multi core I7 processors), more and faster RAM (8 GB minimum), and more recent circuitry. But I haven't come across any Windoze software I want to run. A pair of binocs with a camera in it is not on my holiday "want" list. :) You should buy my iMac when I get ready to sell it so you have a modern piece of gear. :) It's for sure that whatever you have is much better than whatever anyone else has. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
Internet Explorer 11
On 11/22/2013 7:26 AM, John H wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 20:44:33 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/21/2013 7:39 PM, John H wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:51:28 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/21/2013 5:38 PM, wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:19:19 -0500, John H wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:12:55 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 07:13:17 -0500, John H wrote: On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 17:44:26 -0500, wrote: A lot of IE is actually resident in Windoze. That would help explain it. I've learned patience when it comes to Firefox. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! There must be something else going on. I get the browser window in a second or so every time. I wonder if there is some spyware program that is loading too. Look at your plug ins Here they a Adobe Acrobat McAfee Site Advisor Quick Time Shockwave Flash Silverlight Windows Presentation Foundation John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! The only addons I see is Logitech Device Detection and my virus scanner. I am no expert but based on previous experience, if I were John I'd dump McAfee and substitute it with AVG. I used to have McAfee as a anti-virus program but it slowed the computer I had at the time down. Not as bad as Norton, but still consumed a lot of resources. I've been using AVG now for over four years and like it a lot. Doesn't seem to affect the computer speed and works just fine. I don't use McAfee as an anti-virus program. The site advisor is a separate plug-in. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! It's still a McAfee program running in the background checking the websites you visit to see if there's a record of malware, viruses, etc. I had it. I got rid of it and my computer ran much faster and smoother. As Greg said, McAfee is a virus unto itself, much like Norton used to be. It was on the XP laptop that I have but no longer use, BTW. Someone recommended AVG and I've used it ever since. The only time it has an affect on computer speed is when you have initiated a full scan of your computer. What's nice about it however is that you can set a priority from "user sensitive" which allows you to continue to use the computer for other things while it scans with little to no affect on computer speed to "Fast" which is good if you are not going to use the computer for a while. I used the free version for two years and liked it so much that I upgraded to the full version. Frankly, I think the free version was sufficient for protection. AVG will also block or alert you to a suspicious website also, like McAfee. It just doesn't bog your computer down doing so. I'll give it a shot, thanks. Cox sent free McAfee to all its subscribers. I've undone the McAfee virus scan, but left the site advisor. Will shut it down and see what happens. An IT friend convinced me to can McAfee and go with the Microsoft Security Essentials, which is what I've done. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! John, again, I am far from being a computer expert but I know it is generally *not* recommended to have two virus protection programs running on your computer at the same time. You may have turned off the routine McAfee virus scan of the hard drive but if you left "site adviser" running it means that McAfee is still installed and running. It could possibly conflict with the Microsoft Security Essentials. You might want to read this: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/securitytipstalk/archive/2011/06/02/does-microsoft-security-essentials-work-with-other-antivirus-software.aspx |
Internet Explorer 11
On 11/22/2013 7:33 AM, John H wrote:
My wife convinced me to get iTunes. Biggest boo-boo I've made. She even gave me iTunes gift cards. But, iTunes gets to be all-consuming. Now it's gone. If I want new music on my Ipod (or whatever the little thing's called) I just ask her to sync it with her Bluegrass. Mostly I just leave it alone. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Yeah, I have a super duper iPad with all the bells and whistles and maximum memory. I bought it back when I had the guitar shop and we'd leave it out on a table so customers could check guitar prices, etc. by having it display the shop's website. I'd also occasionally transfer mp3 backing tracks from my PC to it (using iTunes) and plug the iPad into the stage PA system for "jam" sessions. Now it sits unused in my house, collecting dust. |
Internet Explorer 11
On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 08:10:13 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 11/22/2013 7:33 AM, John H wrote: My wife convinced me to get iTunes. Biggest boo-boo I've made. She even gave me iTunes gift cards. But, iTunes gets to be all-consuming. Now it's gone. If I want new music on my Ipod (or whatever the little thing's called) I just ask her to sync it with her Bluegrass. Mostly I just leave it alone. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Yeah, I have a super duper iPad with all the bells and whistles and maximum memory. I bought it back when I had the guitar shop and we'd leave it out on a table so customers could check guitar prices, etc. by having it display the shop's website. I'd also occasionally transfer mp3 backing tracks from my PC to it (using iTunes) and plug the iPad into the stage PA system for "jam" sessions. Now it sits unused in my house, collecting dust. My little Ipod stays in the trailer, hooked up to the stereo inside. It gets used a lot, but not synced with more music a lot. Hell, it's got about 1200 Bluegrass songs on it now which is plenty for any camping trip. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
Internet Explorer 11
On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 08:00:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 11/22/2013 7:26 AM, John H wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 20:44:33 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/21/2013 7:39 PM, John H wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:51:28 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/21/2013 5:38 PM, wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:19:19 -0500, John H wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:12:55 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 07:13:17 -0500, John H wrote: On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 17:44:26 -0500, wrote: A lot of IE is actually resident in Windoze. That would help explain it. I've learned patience when it comes to Firefox. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! There must be something else going on. I get the browser window in a second or so every time. I wonder if there is some spyware program that is loading too. Look at your plug ins Here they a Adobe Acrobat McAfee Site Advisor Quick Time Shockwave Flash Silverlight Windows Presentation Foundation John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! The only addons I see is Logitech Device Detection and my virus scanner. I am no expert but based on previous experience, if I were John I'd dump McAfee and substitute it with AVG. I used to have McAfee as a anti-virus program but it slowed the computer I had at the time down. Not as bad as Norton, but still consumed a lot of resources. I've been using AVG now for over four years and like it a lot. Doesn't seem to affect the computer speed and works just fine. I don't use McAfee as an anti-virus program. The site advisor is a separate plug-in. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! It's still a McAfee program running in the background checking the websites you visit to see if there's a record of malware, viruses, etc. I had it. I got rid of it and my computer ran much faster and smoother. As Greg said, McAfee is a virus unto itself, much like Norton used to be. It was on the XP laptop that I have but no longer use, BTW. Someone recommended AVG and I've used it ever since. The only time it has an affect on computer speed is when you have initiated a full scan of your computer. What's nice about it however is that you can set a priority from "user sensitive" which allows you to continue to use the computer for other things while it scans with little to no affect on computer speed to "Fast" which is good if you are not going to use the computer for a while. I used the free version for two years and liked it so much that I upgraded to the full version. Frankly, I think the free version was sufficient for protection. AVG will also block or alert you to a suspicious website also, like McAfee. It just doesn't bog your computer down doing so. I'll give it a shot, thanks. Cox sent free McAfee to all its subscribers. I've undone the McAfee virus scan, but left the site advisor. Will shut it down and see what happens. An IT friend convinced me to can McAfee and go with the Microsoft Security Essentials, which is what I've done. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! John, again, I am far from being a computer expert but I know it is generally *not* recommended to have two virus protection programs running on your computer at the same time. You may have turned off the routine McAfee virus scan of the hard drive but if you left "site adviser" running it means that McAfee is still installed and running. It could possibly conflict with the Microsoft Security Essentials. You might want to read this: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/securitytipstalk/archive/2011/06/02/does-microsoft-security-essentials-work-with-other-antivirus-software.aspx McAfee Site Advisor is off, but it isn't a virus scanner anyway. In fact, it stays in the browser even when the McAfee Suite is uninstalled. It's active only on the browser as a plug-in. It simply provides a warning when clicking, usually accidentally, on a site it doesn't like. It just pops up a "Are you sure you want to go there" screen. It's disabled now. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
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On 11/21/2013 8:42 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 11/21/13, 8:33 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/21/2013 7:13 AM, John H wrote: On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 17:44:26 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 23:20:36 +0100, Stig Arne Bye wrote: John H wrote: On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 15:55:08 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 15:42:58 -0500, John H wrote: On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 10:23:27 -0500, Hank© wrote: Has anyone updated to IE11. Any comments or feedback? I'm still using XP. The latest I can use if IE8. Another good reason to run Firefox. IE8 will not open a lot of things but Firefox will. (Bill Gates trying to sell more product) I've had Firefox run into problems opening Microsoft stuff. But I like Firefox. Never had any problems with it, although it is slow to open compared to IE8. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! I do also have one computer running XP SP3 with multiple browsers installed, and by using a stop watch, I measured and compared the time to open IE and Firefox after clicking the shortcut. After doing this test 5 times for each browser, I got the following results: - IE (version 8.0) opened in 1.37 seconds in average. - Firefox (version 25.0.1) opened in 3.16 seconds in average. A lot of IE is actually resident in Windoze. That would help explain it. I've learned patience when it comes to Firefox. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! The first time after a reboot both Firefox and IE are slow to open on both of my computers (meaning four or five seconds) but after that they open fairly fast ... like a second or two. As previously mentioned, I don't use IE as a browser, but I just tried it for comparison. Doesn't seem to be any faster than Firefox. My computers are both laptops, one running Vista Home Premium (64 bit) and the other Win 7 Home Edition or something like that ... also 64 bit. When I bought them I was advised by a computer geek to make sure they had at least 4GB of RAM memory and a faster CPU (forget what speed they are). Both work fine, although Vista takes forever and a day to initially boot up. Once it's fully booted however it seems just as fast as Win 7. I also have an older XP laptop that has both IE and Firefox. It is slow as molasses compared to the Vista or Win 7 laptops. Sometimes there is more going on than just the startup of the operating system. On my desktop, running Mac OSX 10.9, the start up procedure includes not only the OS, but a connection to my server and a connection to a half dozen folders on that server and a couple of programs I run in the backaground, so it takes a little longer for the boot-up. But since it is a Mac, I rarely boot it up because it doesn't crash, and I don't have the BSODs that plague Windows. In fact, the last time I rebooted was a few weeks ago when I uploaded and installed the latest *free* version of the OS. I just leave the desktop machine ON and after 15 minutes of no keyboard activity or backup activity, the screen blanks out and the hard drive spools off. My laptop also runs OSX 10.9, but I don't usually connect it to the server, so the boot up is very fast, fastest I have ever seen, actually, on a consumer computer. The laptop has no hard drive in the traditional sense...it has an SSD. I'll have to time the boot up but my guess is that it takes no more than five seconds from the time I push the ON button. It's funny you mention crashes. I can't remember the last time either of my Windows based computers crashed. I also rarely shut them completely off either. I put them in "sleep" mode when they are not being used. The only time a reboot is required is after an update of the OS and occasionally after a major update by AVG (anti-virus). I have them set so I can pick and choose when I want the updates to be installed. XP was (is) a very stable program. The last time I recall routine crashes was back before it came along. I recently read that XP, Vista, Win7 and Win8 were all derived from Windows NT. I remember it because NT was an "industrialized" version of Windows or something. All the CAD PC stations in my company ran on Windows NT. Windows as an OS has finally matured to the point where it is predictable and usable for mission critical, as business defines mission critical, applicaitons. Often times the problem is with the hardware rather than the software. Throw it on on virtual infrastructure and the hardware problems almost disappear. |
Internet Explorer 11
On 11/22/13, 8:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/22/2013 7:26 AM, John H wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 20:44:33 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/21/2013 7:39 PM, John H wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:51:28 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/21/2013 5:38 PM, wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:19:19 -0500, John H wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:12:55 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 07:13:17 -0500, John H wrote: On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 17:44:26 -0500, wrote: A lot of IE is actually resident in Windoze. That would help explain it. I've learned patience when it comes to Firefox. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! There must be something else going on. I get the browser window in a second or so every time. I wonder if there is some spyware program that is loading too. Look at your plug ins Here they a Adobe Acrobat McAfee Site Advisor Quick Time Shockwave Flash Silverlight Windows Presentation Foundation John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! The only addons I see is Logitech Device Detection and my virus scanner. I am no expert but based on previous experience, if I were John I'd dump McAfee and substitute it with AVG. I used to have McAfee as a anti-virus program but it slowed the computer I had at the time down. Not as bad as Norton, but still consumed a lot of resources. I've been using AVG now for over four years and like it a lot. Doesn't seem to affect the computer speed and works just fine. I don't use McAfee as an anti-virus program. The site advisor is a separate plug-in. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! It's still a McAfee program running in the background checking the websites you visit to see if there's a record of malware, viruses, etc. I had it. I got rid of it and my computer ran much faster and smoother. As Greg said, McAfee is a virus unto itself, much like Norton used to be. It was on the XP laptop that I have but no longer use, BTW. Someone recommended AVG and I've used it ever since. The only time it has an affect on computer speed is when you have initiated a full scan of your computer. What's nice about it however is that you can set a priority from "user sensitive" which allows you to continue to use the computer for other things while it scans with little to no affect on computer speed to "Fast" which is good if you are not going to use the computer for a while. I used the free version for two years and liked it so much that I upgraded to the full version. Frankly, I think the free version was sufficient for protection. AVG will also block or alert you to a suspicious website also, like McAfee. It just doesn't bog your computer down doing so. I'll give it a shot, thanks. Cox sent free McAfee to all its subscribers. I've undone the McAfee virus scan, but left the site advisor. Will shut it down and see what happens. An IT friend convinced me to can McAfee and go with the Microsoft Security Essentials, which is what I've done. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! John, again, I am far from being a computer expert but I know it is generally *not* recommended to have two virus protection programs running on your computer at the same time. You may have turned off the routine McAfee virus scan of the hard drive but if you left "site adviser" running it means that McAfee is still installed and running. It could possibly conflict with the Microsoft Security Essentials. You might want to read this: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/securitytipstalk/archive/2011/06/02/does-microsoft-security-essentials-work-with-other-antivirus-software.aspx McAfee was the clown the Repubs brought in as their expert consultant on the ACA software. I thought that was hilarious...a possible murderer and perpetrator of virii and spyware who would love to insert a backdoor into a federal government computer network. -- Religion: together we can find the cure. |
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On 11/22/13, 8:10 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/22/2013 7:33 AM, John H wrote: My wife convinced me to get iTunes. Biggest boo-boo I've made. She even gave me iTunes gift cards. But, iTunes gets to be all-consuming. Now it's gone. If I want new music on my Ipod (or whatever the little thing's called) I just ask her to sync it with her Bluegrass. Mostly I just leave it alone. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Yeah, I have a super duper iPad with all the bells and whistles and maximum memory. I bought it back when I had the guitar shop and we'd leave it out on a table so customers could check guitar prices, etc. by having it display the shop's website. I'd also occasionally transfer mp3 backing tracks from my PC to it (using iTunes) and plug the iPad into the stage PA system for "jam" sessions. Now it sits unused in my house, collecting dust. iTunes is all-consuming? What kind of ignorant nonsense talk is that? -- Religion: together we can find the cure. |
Internet Explorer 11
On 11/22/2013 9:15 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/22/13, 8:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/22/2013 7:26 AM, John H wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 20:44:33 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/21/2013 7:39 PM, John H wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:51:28 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/21/2013 5:38 PM, wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:19:19 -0500, John H wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:12:55 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 07:13:17 -0500, John H wrote: On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 17:44:26 -0500, wrote: A lot of IE is actually resident in Windoze. That would help explain it. I've learned patience when it comes to Firefox. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! There must be something else going on. I get the browser window in a second or so every time. I wonder if there is some spyware program that is loading too. Look at your plug ins Here they a Adobe Acrobat McAfee Site Advisor Quick Time Shockwave Flash Silverlight Windows Presentation Foundation John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! The only addons I see is Logitech Device Detection and my virus scanner. I am no expert but based on previous experience, if I were John I'd dump McAfee and substitute it with AVG. I used to have McAfee as a anti-virus program but it slowed the computer I had at the time down. Not as bad as Norton, but still consumed a lot of resources. I've been using AVG now for over four years and like it a lot. Doesn't seem to affect the computer speed and works just fine. I don't use McAfee as an anti-virus program. The site advisor is a separate plug-in. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! It's still a McAfee program running in the background checking the websites you visit to see if there's a record of malware, viruses, etc. I had it. I got rid of it and my computer ran much faster and smoother. As Greg said, McAfee is a virus unto itself, much like Norton used to be. It was on the XP laptop that I have but no longer use, BTW. Someone recommended AVG and I've used it ever since. The only time it has an affect on computer speed is when you have initiated a full scan of your computer. What's nice about it however is that you can set a priority from "user sensitive" which allows you to continue to use the computer for other things while it scans with little to no affect on computer speed to "Fast" which is good if you are not going to use the computer for a while. I used the free version for two years and liked it so much that I upgraded to the full version. Frankly, I think the free version was sufficient for protection. AVG will also block or alert you to a suspicious website also, like McAfee. It just doesn't bog your computer down doing so. I'll give it a shot, thanks. Cox sent free McAfee to all its subscribers. I've undone the McAfee virus scan, but left the site advisor. Will shut it down and see what happens. An IT friend convinced me to can McAfee and go with the Microsoft Security Essentials, which is what I've done. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! John, again, I am far from being a computer expert but I know it is generally *not* recommended to have two virus protection programs running on your computer at the same time. You may have turned off the routine McAfee virus scan of the hard drive but if you left "site adviser" running it means that McAfee is still installed and running. It could possibly conflict with the Microsoft Security Essentials. You might want to read this: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/securitytipstalk/archive/2011/06/02/does-microsoft-security-essentials-work-with-other-antivirus-software.aspx McAfee was the clown the Repubs brought in as their expert consultant on the ACA software. I thought that was hilarious...a possible murderer and perpetrator of virii and spyware who would love to insert a backdoor into a federal government computer network. John McAfee has nothing to do with the current McAfee, Inc. other than sharing his name since he was the founder. He resigned from the company in 1994 and McAfee, Inc. is currently a wholly owned subsidiary of Intel. |
Internet Explorer 11
On 11/22/2013 9:15 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/22/13, 8:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/22/2013 7:26 AM, John H wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 20:44:33 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/21/2013 7:39 PM, John H wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:51:28 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/21/2013 5:38 PM, wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:19:19 -0500, John H wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:12:55 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 07:13:17 -0500, John H wrote: On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 17:44:26 -0500, wrote: A lot of IE is actually resident in Windoze. That would help explain it. I've learned patience when it comes to Firefox. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! There must be something else going on. I get the browser window in a second or so every time. I wonder if there is some spyware program that is loading too. Look at your plug ins Here they a Adobe Acrobat McAfee Site Advisor Quick Time Shockwave Flash Silverlight Windows Presentation Foundation John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! The only addons I see is Logitech Device Detection and my virus scanner. I am no expert but based on previous experience, if I were John I'd dump McAfee and substitute it with AVG. I used to have McAfee as a anti-virus program but it slowed the computer I had at the time down. Not as bad as Norton, but still consumed a lot of resources. I've been using AVG now for over four years and like it a lot. Doesn't seem to affect the computer speed and works just fine. I don't use McAfee as an anti-virus program. The site advisor is a separate plug-in. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! It's still a McAfee program running in the background checking the websites you visit to see if there's a record of malware, viruses, etc. I had it. I got rid of it and my computer ran much faster and smoother. As Greg said, McAfee is a virus unto itself, much like Norton used to be. It was on the XP laptop that I have but no longer use, BTW. Someone recommended AVG and I've used it ever since. The only time it has an affect on computer speed is when you have initiated a full scan of your computer. What's nice about it however is that you can set a priority from "user sensitive" which allows you to continue to use the computer for other things while it scans with little to no affect on computer speed to "Fast" which is good if you are not going to use the computer for a while. I used the free version for two years and liked it so much that I upgraded to the full version. Frankly, I think the free version was sufficient for protection. AVG will also block or alert you to a suspicious website also, like McAfee. It just doesn't bog your computer down doing so. I'll give it a shot, thanks. Cox sent free McAfee to all its subscribers. I've undone the McAfee virus scan, but left the site advisor. Will shut it down and see what happens. An IT friend convinced me to can McAfee and go with the Microsoft Security Essentials, which is what I've done. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! John, again, I am far from being a computer expert but I know it is generally *not* recommended to have two virus protection programs running on your computer at the same time. You may have turned off the routine McAfee virus scan of the hard drive but if you left "site adviser" running it means that McAfee is still installed and running. It could possibly conflict with the Microsoft Security Essentials. You might want to read this: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/securitytipstalk/archive/2011/06/02/does-microsoft-security-essentials-work-with-other-antivirus-software.aspx McAfee was the clown the Repubs brought in as their expert consultant on the ACA software. I thought that was hilarious...a possible murderer and perpetrator of virii and spyware who would love to insert a backdoor into a federal government computer network. Which antivirus software is your I-Etch-a-sketch running. Inquiring minds really don't G A S. ;-) -- Americans deserve better. |
Internet Explorer 11
On 11/22/13, 9:27 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/22/2013 9:15 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 11/22/13, 8:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/22/2013 7:26 AM, John H wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 20:44:33 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/21/2013 7:39 PM, John H wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:51:28 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/21/2013 5:38 PM, wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:19:19 -0500, John H wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:12:55 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 07:13:17 -0500, John H wrote: On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 17:44:26 -0500, wrote: A lot of IE is actually resident in Windoze. That would help explain it. I've learned patience when it comes to Firefox. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! There must be something else going on. I get the browser window in a second or so every time. I wonder if there is some spyware program that is loading too. Look at your plug ins Here they a Adobe Acrobat McAfee Site Advisor Quick Time Shockwave Flash Silverlight Windows Presentation Foundation John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! The only addons I see is Logitech Device Detection and my virus scanner. I am no expert but based on previous experience, if I were John I'd dump McAfee and substitute it with AVG. I used to have McAfee as a anti-virus program but it slowed the computer I had at the time down. Not as bad as Norton, but still consumed a lot of resources. I've been using AVG now for over four years and like it a lot. Doesn't seem to affect the computer speed and works just fine. I don't use McAfee as an anti-virus program. The site advisor is a separate plug-in. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! It's still a McAfee program running in the background checking the websites you visit to see if there's a record of malware, viruses, etc. I had it. I got rid of it and my computer ran much faster and smoother. As Greg said, McAfee is a virus unto itself, much like Norton used to be. It was on the XP laptop that I have but no longer use, BTW. Someone recommended AVG and I've used it ever since. The only time it has an affect on computer speed is when you have initiated a full scan of your computer. What's nice about it however is that you can set a priority from "user sensitive" which allows you to continue to use the computer for other things while it scans with little to no affect on computer speed to "Fast" which is good if you are not going to use the computer for a while. I used the free version for two years and liked it so much that I upgraded to the full version. Frankly, I think the free version was sufficient for protection. AVG will also block or alert you to a suspicious website also, like McAfee. It just doesn't bog your computer down doing so. I'll give it a shot, thanks. Cox sent free McAfee to all its subscribers. I've undone the McAfee virus scan, but left the site advisor. Will shut it down and see what happens. An IT friend convinced me to can McAfee and go with the Microsoft Security Essentials, which is what I've done. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! John, again, I am far from being a computer expert but I know it is generally *not* recommended to have two virus protection programs running on your computer at the same time. You may have turned off the routine McAfee virus scan of the hard drive but if you left "site adviser" running it means that McAfee is still installed and running. It could possibly conflict with the Microsoft Security Essentials. You might want to read this: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/securitytipstalk/archive/2011/06/02/does-microsoft-security-essentials-work-with-other-antivirus-software.aspx McAfee was the clown the Repubs brought in as their expert consultant on the ACA software. I thought that was hilarious...a possible murderer and perpetrator of virii and spyware who would love to insert a backdoor into a federal government computer network. John McAfee has nothing to do with the current McAfee, Inc. other than sharing his name since he was the founder. He resigned from the company in 1994 and McAfee, Inc. is currently a wholly owned subsidiary of Intel. Did I say he was still involved with McAfee? No, I did not. Well, at least Peter Norton stayed intellectually honest after he sold out to Symantec, which proceeded to ruin his products. -- Religion: together we can find the cure. |
Internet Explorer 11
On 11/22/2013 9:16 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/22/13, 8:10 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/22/2013 7:33 AM, John H wrote: My wife convinced me to get iTunes. Biggest boo-boo I've made. She even gave me iTunes gift cards. But, iTunes gets to be all-consuming. Now it's gone. If I want new music on my Ipod (or whatever the little thing's called) I just ask her to sync it with her Bluegrass. Mostly I just leave it alone. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Yeah, I have a super duper iPad with all the bells and whistles and maximum memory. I bought it back when I had the guitar shop and we'd leave it out on a table so customers could check guitar prices, etc. by having it display the shop's website. I'd also occasionally transfer mp3 backing tracks from my PC to it (using iTunes) and plug the iPad into the stage PA system for "jam" sessions. Now it sits unused in my house, collecting dust. iTunes is all-consuming? What kind of ignorant nonsense talk is that? I don't think it's "all consuming" but I think it's annoying that you *have* to have it installed and use it to transfer stuff from your PC to an Apple device like the iPad. If iTunes is installed on your computer it regularly knocks on your door looking to be updated or offering other services I am not interested in. That's why my iPad now sits, unused. That's another thing ... Seems like every couple of weeks when I *did* use it, it wanted to update it's OS, a process that seemed to take forever. Seems to me that Apple used to be a sorta cool, technology driven company but has shifted to being totally marketing/sales driven in recent years. |
Internet Explorer 11
On 11/22/2013 9:16 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/22/13, 8:10 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/22/2013 7:33 AM, John H wrote: My wife convinced me to get iTunes. Biggest boo-boo I've made. She even gave me iTunes gift cards. But, iTunes gets to be all-consuming. Now it's gone. If I want new music on my Ipod (or whatever the little thing's called) I just ask her to sync it with her Bluegrass. Mostly I just leave it alone. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Yeah, I have a super duper iPad with all the bells and whistles and maximum memory. I bought it back when I had the guitar shop and we'd leave it out on a table so customers could check guitar prices, etc. by having it display the shop's website. I'd also occasionally transfer mp3 backing tracks from my PC to it (using iTunes) and plug the iPad into the stage PA system for "jam" sessions. Now it sits unused in my house, collecting dust. iTunes is all-consuming? What kind of ignorant nonsense talk is that? He's trying to say it will run your life if you submit to it, which,apparently, you have. -- Americans deserve better. |
Internet Explorer 11
On 11/22/13, 9:37 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/22/2013 9:16 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 11/22/13, 8:10 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/22/2013 7:33 AM, John H wrote: My wife convinced me to get iTunes. Biggest boo-boo I've made. She even gave me iTunes gift cards. But, iTunes gets to be all-consuming. Now it's gone. If I want new music on my Ipod (or whatever the little thing's called) I just ask her to sync it with her Bluegrass. Mostly I just leave it alone. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Yeah, I have a super duper iPad with all the bells and whistles and maximum memory. I bought it back when I had the guitar shop and we'd leave it out on a table so customers could check guitar prices, etc. by having it display the shop's website. I'd also occasionally transfer mp3 backing tracks from my PC to it (using iTunes) and plug the iPad into the stage PA system for "jam" sessions. Now it sits unused in my house, collecting dust. iTunes is all-consuming? What kind of ignorant nonsense talk is that? I don't think it's "all consuming" but I think it's annoying that you *have* to have it installed and use it to transfer stuff from your PC to an Apple device like the iPad. If iTunes is installed on your computer it regularly knocks on your door looking to be updated or offering other services I am not interested in. That's why my iPad now sits, unused. That's another thing ... Seems like every couple of weeks when I *did* use it, it wanted to update it's OS, a process that seemed to take forever. Seems to me that Apple used to be a sorta cool, technology driven company but has shifted to being totally marketing/sales driven in recent years. Apple updates its software from time to time. So does Microsoft. I can't recall being "offered" other services from Apple other than by email. -- Religion: together we can find the cure. |
Internet Explorer 11
On 11/22/2013 9:35 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/22/13, 9:27 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/22/2013 9:15 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 11/22/13, 8:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/22/2013 7:26 AM, John H wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 20:44:33 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/21/2013 7:39 PM, John H wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:51:28 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/21/2013 5:38 PM, wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:19:19 -0500, John H wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:12:55 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 07:13:17 -0500, John H wrote: On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 17:44:26 -0500, wrote: A lot of IE is actually resident in Windoze. That would help explain it. I've learned patience when it comes to Firefox. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! There must be something else going on. I get the browser window in a second or so every time. I wonder if there is some spyware program that is loading too. Look at your plug ins Here they a Adobe Acrobat McAfee Site Advisor Quick Time Shockwave Flash Silverlight Windows Presentation Foundation John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! The only addons I see is Logitech Device Detection and my virus scanner. I am no expert but based on previous experience, if I were John I'd dump McAfee and substitute it with AVG. I used to have McAfee as a anti-virus program but it slowed the computer I had at the time down. Not as bad as Norton, but still consumed a lot of resources. I've been using AVG now for over four years and like it a lot. Doesn't seem to affect the computer speed and works just fine. I don't use McAfee as an anti-virus program. The site advisor is a separate plug-in. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! It's still a McAfee program running in the background checking the websites you visit to see if there's a record of malware, viruses, etc. I had it. I got rid of it and my computer ran much faster and smoother. As Greg said, McAfee is a virus unto itself, much like Norton used to be. It was on the XP laptop that I have but no longer use, BTW. Someone recommended AVG and I've used it ever since. The only time it has an affect on computer speed is when you have initiated a full scan of your computer. What's nice about it however is that you can set a priority from "user sensitive" which allows you to continue to use the computer for other things while it scans with little to no affect on computer speed to "Fast" which is good if you are not going to use the computer for a while. I used the free version for two years and liked it so much that I upgraded to the full version. Frankly, I think the free version was sufficient for protection. AVG will also block or alert you to a suspicious website also, like McAfee. It just doesn't bog your computer down doing so. I'll give it a shot, thanks. Cox sent free McAfee to all its subscribers. I've undone the McAfee virus scan, but left the site advisor. Will shut it down and see what happens. An IT friend convinced me to can McAfee and go with the Microsoft Security Essentials, which is what I've done. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! John, again, I am far from being a computer expert but I know it is generally *not* recommended to have two virus protection programs running on your computer at the same time. You may have turned off the routine McAfee virus scan of the hard drive but if you left "site adviser" running it means that McAfee is still installed and running. It could possibly conflict with the Microsoft Security Essentials. You might want to read this: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/securitytipstalk/archive/2011/06/02/does-microsoft-security-essentials-work-with-other-antivirus-software.aspx McAfee was the clown the Repubs brought in as their expert consultant on the ACA software. I thought that was hilarious...a possible murderer and perpetrator of virii and spyware who would love to insert a backdoor into a federal government computer network. John McAfee has nothing to do with the current McAfee, Inc. other than sharing his name since he was the founder. He resigned from the company in 1994 and McAfee, Inc. is currently a wholly owned subsidiary of Intel. Did I say he was still involved with McAfee? No, I did not. Well, at least Peter Norton stayed intellectually honest after he sold out to Symantec, which proceeded to ruin his products. No, you did not however we were discussing the McAfee computer program, not the antics of John McAfee who has nothing to do with the program under discussion. *You* attempted to make the connection in another of your politically biased jabs. |
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