Tea Party Finds Its Next Line in the Sand Battle.
 

Save the Transfats!

FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk

Trans fats may be on their way out of U.S. foods.

The Food and Drug Administration has announced plans to have so-called
"partially hydrogenated oils (PHOs)," which are the main source of
artificial trans fats in processed foods, to be classified as food
additives. That means they won't be allowed to be used in food without
authorization of the FDA, which may effectively ban the substances.

FDA commissioner Dr. Margaret Hamburg told reporters Wednesday that the
action is being considered because PHOs are "not generally recognized as
safe for use in food."

The agency will allow 60 days for comments from the public and food
manufacturers, asking the latter how long it might take to reformulate
current products should the determination be finalized.

The agency pointed out some companies have voluntarily been scaling back
the amount of trans fat in foods. But it wants more to be done - an
additional 20,000 heart attacks and 7,000 deaths from heart disease each
year could be prevented by reducing trans fats, according to the FDA.

"These are significant numbers," said Hamburg.

"While consumption of potentially harmful artificial trans fat has
declined over the last two decades in the United States, current intake
remains a significant public health concern," she added in a statement.
"The FDA's action today is an important step toward protecting more
Americans from the potential dangers of trans fat."

The oils behind trans fats can be found in crackers, cookies, frozen
pies, other baked goods, microwave popcorn and other snacks, frozen
pizza, coffee creamers, refrigerated dough products (like biscuits and
cinnamon rolls), ready-to-use frostings, vegetable shortenings and stick
margarine, according to the FDA.

Consuming trans fat has been tied to an increased risk for coronary
heart disease, a condition in which plaque builds up inside the
arteries, which may lead to a heart attack. Previous research, including
a 2002 report from the nonpartisan Institute of Medicine, found a direct
correlation between eating trans fats and increased levels of "bad" LDL
cholesterol, which in turn can increase heart disease risk. The
institute recommended against eating any amount of the fats, finding
they offered no health benefit.
--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

Tea Party Finds Its Next Line in the Sand Battle.
 

"F.O.A.D." wrote:
Save the Transfats!

FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk

Trans fats may be on their way out of U.S. foods.

The Food and Drug Administration has announced plans to have so-called
"partially hydrogenated oils (PHOs)," which are the main source of
artificial trans fats in processed foods, to be classified as food
additives. That means they won't be allowed to be used in food without
authorization of the FDA, which may effectively ban the substances.

FDA commissioner Dr. Margaret Hamburg told reporters Wednesday that the
action is being considered because PHOs are "not generally recognized as
safe for use in food."

The agency will allow 60 days for comments from the public and food
manufacturers, asking the latter how long it might take to reformulate
current products should the determination be finalized.

The agency pointed out some companies have voluntarily been scaling back
the amount of trans fat in foods. But it wants more to be done - an
additional 20,000 heart attacks and 7,000 deaths from heart disease each
year could be prevented by reducing trans fats, according to the FDA.

"These are significant numbers," said Hamburg.

"While consumption of potentially harmful artificial trans fat has
declined over the last two decades in the United States, current intake
remains a significant public health concern," she added in a statement.
"The FDA's action today is an important step toward protecting more
Americans from the potential dangers of trans fat."

The oils behind trans fats can be found in crackers, cookies, frozen
pies, other baked goods, microwave popcorn and other snacks, frozen
pizza, coffee creamers, refrigerated dough products (like biscuits and
cinnamon rolls), ready-to-use frostings, vegetable shortenings and stick
margarine, according to the FDA.

Consuming trans fat has been tied to an increased risk for coronary heart
disease, a condition in which plaque builds up inside the arteries, which
may lead to a heart attack. Previous research, including a 2002 report
from the nonpartisan Institute of Medicine, found a direct correlation
between eating trans fats and increased levels of "bad" LDL cholesterol,
which in turn can increase heart disease risk. The institute recommended
against eating any amount of the fats, finding they offered no health benefit.

Nanny state!

Tea Party Finds Its Next Line in the Sand Battle.
 

On 11/7/13, 9:27 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 07 Nov 2013 20:05:34 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Save the Transfats!

FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk

Trans fats may be on their way out of U.S. foods.
I find it interesting that trans fats were originally supposed to be
the safe alternative to animal fat.
I remember the big PR campaign when McDonalds stopped cooking their
fries in lard and went to TF.

I am still a butter and olive oil guy.


I like olive oil, though I have yet to figure out the difference between
olive oil and superduper extra pure virgin olive oil.

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

Tea Party Finds Its Next Line in the Sand Battle.
 

On 11/7/2013 9:32 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/7/13, 9:27 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 07 Nov 2013 20:05:34 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Save the Transfats!

FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk

Trans fats may be on their way out of U.S. foods.
I find it interesting that trans fats were originally supposed to be
the safe alternative to animal fat.
I remember the big PR campaign when McDonalds stopped cooking their
fries in lard and went to TF.

I am still a butter and olive oil guy.


I like olive oil, though I have yet to figure out the difference between
olive oil and superduper extra pure virgin olive oil.



Unlike common vegetable oil, olive oil is more like wine in terms of
taste and grading. Where the olives are grown, soil conditions, weather
during the growing season, etc., all affect the "quality" of the oil
when the olives are harvested and the oil is produced.

"Extra Virgin", "Virgin" and ungraded olive oils differ in terms of
their acidity, with premium, extra virgin oils having the lowest acidic
levels.

Tea Party Finds Its Next Line in the Sand Battle.
 

In article 145542309405567106.527220bmckeenospam-
, says...

"F.O.A.D." wrote:
Save the Transfats!

FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk

Trans fats may be on their way out of U.S. foods.

The Food and Drug Administration has announced plans to have so-called
"partially hydrogenated oils (PHOs)," which are the main source of
artificial trans fats in processed foods, to be classified as food
additives. That means they won't be allowed to be used in food without
authorization of the FDA, which may effectively ban the substances.

FDA commissioner Dr. Margaret Hamburg told reporters Wednesday that the
action is being considered because PHOs are "not generally recognized as
safe for use in food."

The agency will allow 60 days for comments from the public and food
manufacturers, asking the latter how long it might take to reformulate
current products should the determination be finalized.

The agency pointed out some companies have voluntarily been scaling back
the amount of trans fat in foods. But it wants more to be done - an
additional 20,000 heart attacks and 7,000 deaths from heart disease each
year could be prevented by reducing trans fats, according to the FDA.

"These are significant numbers," said Hamburg.

"While consumption of potentially harmful artificial trans fat has
declined over the last two decades in the United States, current intake
remains a significant public health concern," she added in a statement.
"The FDA's action today is an important step toward protecting more
Americans from the potential dangers of trans fat."

The oils behind trans fats can be found in crackers, cookies, frozen
pies, other baked goods, microwave popcorn and other snacks, frozen
pizza, coffee creamers, refrigerated dough products (like biscuits and
cinnamon rolls), ready-to-use frostings, vegetable shortenings and stick
margarine, according to the FDA.

Consuming trans fat has been tied to an increased risk for coronary heart
disease, a condition in which plaque builds up inside the arteries, which
may lead to a heart attack. Previous research, including a 2002 report
from the nonpartisan Institute of Medicine, found a direct correlation
between eating trans fats and increased levels of "bad" LDL cholesterol,
which in turn can increase heart disease risk. The institute recommended
against eating any amount of the fats, finding they offered no health benefit.

Nanny state!

Yeah, people should be as unhealthy as possible, then all of the tax
payers can pay for their care.

Tea Party Finds Its Next Line in the Sand Battle.
 

In article , says...

On 11/7/13, 9:27 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 07 Nov 2013 20:05:34 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Save the Transfats!

FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk

Trans fats may be on their way out of U.S. foods.
I find it interesting that trans fats were originally supposed to be
the safe alternative to animal fat.
I remember the big PR campaign when McDonalds stopped cooking their
fries in lard and went to TF.

I am still a butter and olive oil guy.


I like olive oil, though I have yet to figure out the difference between
olive oil and superduper extra pure virgin olive oil.

Taste.

Tea Party Finds Its Next Line in the Sand Battle.
 

On 11/7/2013 7:05 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Save the Transfats!

FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk

I found nothing in the article that referenced the Tea Party
fighting for the right to eat transfats.

I for one would be happy to see transfats gone.

I'd like to see a good tasting healthy microwave popcorn.

Mikek

Tea Party Finds Its Next Line in the Sand Battle.
 

On 11/8/13, 1:51 PM, amdx wrote:
On 11/7/2013 7:05 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Save the Transfats!

FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk


Mikek

No? Didn't you get the email from your local Tea Party chapter?

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

Tea Party Finds Its Next Line in the Sand Battle.
 

On 11/8/2013 1:11 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/8/13, 1:51 PM, amdx wrote:
On 11/7/2013 7:05 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Save the Transfats!


FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk



I found nothing in the article that referenced the Tea Party
fighting for the right to eat transfats.
Mikek

No? Didn't you get the email from your local Tea Party chapter?



Nah, the whole topic is just a figment of you paranoid imagination.
You should stop in and visit your local Tea Party, they're a bunch
of good people that think the government is spending way to much
money. Not anyone you need to be afraid of.
Mikek

Tea Party Finds Its Next Line in the Sand Battle.
 

iBoaterer wrote:
In article 145542309405567106.527220bmckeenospam-
, says...

"F.O.A.D." wrote:
Save the Transfats!

FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk

Trans fats may be on their way out of U.S. foods.

The Food and Drug Administration has announced plans to have so-called
"partially hydrogenated oils (PHOs)," which are the main source of
artificial trans fats in processed foods, to be classified as food
additives. That means they won't be allowed to be used in food without
authorization of the FDA, which may effectively ban the substances.

FDA commissioner Dr. Margaret Hamburg told reporters Wednesday that the
action is being considered because PHOs are "not generally recognized as
safe for use in food."

The agency will allow 60 days for comments from the public and food
manufacturers, asking the latter how long it might take to reformulate
current products should the determination be finalized.

The agency pointed out some companies have voluntarily been scaling back
the amount of trans fat in foods. But it wants more to be done - an
additional 20,000 heart attacks and 7,000 deaths from heart disease each
year could be prevented by reducing trans fats, according to the FDA.

"These are significant numbers," said Hamburg.

"While consumption of potentially harmful artificial trans fat has
declined over the last two decades in the United States, current intake
remains a significant public health concern," she added in a statement.
"The FDA's action today is an important step toward protecting more
Americans from the potential dangers of trans fat."

The oils behind trans fats can be found in crackers, cookies, frozen
pies, other baked goods, microwave popcorn and other snacks, frozen
pizza, coffee creamers, refrigerated dough products (like biscuits and
cinnamon rolls), ready-to-use frostings, vegetable shortenings and stick
margarine, according to the FDA.

Consuming trans fat has been tied to an increased risk for coronary heart
disease, a condition in which plaque builds up inside the arteries, which
may lead to a heart attack. Previous research, including a 2002 report
from the nonpartisan Institute of Medicine, found a direct correlation
between eating trans fats and increased levels of "bad" LDL cholesterol,
which in turn can increase heart disease risk. The institute recommended
against eating any amount of the fats, finding they offered no health benefit.

Nanny state!

Yeah, people should be as unhealthy as possible, then all of the tax
payers can pay for their care.

Still, what is happening to freedom here?

Tea Party Finds Its Next Line in the Sand Battle.
 

In article 1387081389405627643.933360bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article 145542309405567106.527220bmckeenospam-
, says...

"F.O.A.D." wrote:
Save the Transfats!

FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk

Trans fats may be on their way out of U.S. foods.

The Food and Drug Administration has announced plans to have so-called
"partially hydrogenated oils (PHOs)," which are the main source of
artificial trans fats in processed foods, to be classified as food
additives. That means they won't be allowed to be used in food without
authorization of the FDA, which may effectively ban the substances.

FDA commissioner Dr. Margaret Hamburg told reporters Wednesday that the
action is being considered because PHOs are "not generally recognized as
safe for use in food."

The agency will allow 60 days for comments from the public and food
manufacturers, asking the latter how long it might take to reformulate
current products should the determination be finalized.

The agency pointed out some companies have voluntarily been scaling back
the amount of trans fat in foods. But it wants more to be done - an
additional 20,000 heart attacks and 7,000 deaths from heart disease each
year could be prevented by reducing trans fats, according to the FDA.

"These are significant numbers," said Hamburg.

"While consumption of potentially harmful artificial trans fat has
declined over the last two decades in the United States, current intake
remains a significant public health concern," she added in a statement.
"The FDA's action today is an important step toward protecting more
Americans from the potential dangers of trans fat."

The oils behind trans fats can be found in crackers, cookies, frozen
pies, other baked goods, microwave popcorn and other snacks, frozen
pizza, coffee creamers, refrigerated dough products (like biscuits and
cinnamon rolls), ready-to-use frostings, vegetable shortenings and stick
margarine, according to the FDA.

Consuming trans fat has been tied to an increased risk for coronary heart
disease, a condition in which plaque builds up inside the arteries, which
may lead to a heart attack. Previous research, including a 2002 report
from the nonpartisan Institute of Medicine, found a direct correlation
between eating trans fats and increased levels of "bad" LDL cholesterol,
which in turn can increase heart disease risk. The institute recommended
against eating any amount of the fats, finding they offered no health benefit.

Nanny state!

Yeah, people should be as unhealthy as possible, then all of the tax
payers can pay for their care.

Still, what is happening to freedom here?

I have no problem with what anybody does to themselves as long as it
doesn't burden ME. That said, who gets to pick and choose just WHAT
"freedoms"? Should one be free to rape or murder? How about arson? Okay
with that? Before you go on about those involve other people, so does
drug use, alcohol use, tobacco use, trans-fat use, and on and on.

Tea Party Finds Its Next Line in the Sand Battle.
 

iBoaterer wrote:
In article 1387081389405627643.933360bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article 145542309405567106.527220bmckeenospam-
, says...

"F.O.A.D." wrote:
Save the Transfats!

FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk

Trans fats may be on their way out of U.S. foods.

The Food and Drug Administration has announced plans to have so-called
"partially hydrogenated oils (PHOs)," which are the main source of
artificial trans fats in processed foods, to be classified as food
additives. That means they won't be allowed to be used in food without
authorization of the FDA, which may effectively ban the substances.

FDA commissioner Dr. Margaret Hamburg told reporters Wednesday that the
action is being considered because PHOs are "not generally recognized as
safe for use in food."

The agency will allow 60 days for comments from the public and food
manufacturers, asking the latter how long it might take to reformulate
current products should the determination be finalized.

The agency pointed out some companies have voluntarily been scaling back
the amount of trans fat in foods. But it wants more to be done - an
additional 20,000 heart attacks and 7,000 deaths from heart disease each
year could be prevented by reducing trans fats, according to the FDA.

"These are significant numbers," said Hamburg.

"While consumption of potentially harmful artificial trans fat has
declined over the last two decades in the United States, current intake
remains a significant public health concern," she added in a statement.
"The FDA's action today is an important step toward protecting more
Americans from the potential dangers of trans fat."

The oils behind trans fats can be found in crackers, cookies, frozen
pies, other baked goods, microwave popcorn and other snacks, frozen
pizza, coffee creamers, refrigerated dough products (like biscuits and
cinnamon rolls), ready-to-use frostings, vegetable shortenings and stick
margarine, according to the FDA.

Consuming trans fat has been tied to an increased risk for coronary heart
disease, a condition in which plaque builds up inside the arteries, which
may lead to a heart attack. Previous research, including a 2002 report
from the nonpartisan Institute of Medicine, found a direct correlation
between eating trans fats and increased levels of "bad" LDL cholesterol,
which in turn can increase heart disease risk. The institute recommended
against eating any amount of the fats, finding they offered no health benefit.

Nanny state!

Yeah, people should be as unhealthy as possible, then all of the tax
payers can pay for their care.

Still, what is happening to freedom here?

I have no problem with what anybody does to themselves as long as it
doesn't burden ME. That said, who gets to pick and choose just WHAT
"freedoms"? Should one be free to rape or murder? How about arson? Okay
with that? Before you go on about those involve other people, so does
drug use, alcohol use, tobacco use, trans-fat use, and on and on.

You should have freedom to do pretty much what ever you want, as long as
the rest of us do not have to pay for your actions. Rape, murder. That is
someone else paying for your actions. Drugs? You want to use them? Your
choice. But we, as a society, are not picking up your medical or societal
costs. Your family can not afford to support you, you die.

Tea Party Finds Its Next Line in the Sand Battle.
 

On 11/8/13, 3:41 PM, amdx wrote:
On 11/8/2013 1:11 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/8/13, 1:51 PM, amdx wrote:
On 11/7/2013 7:05 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Save the Transfats!


FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk



I found nothing in the article that referenced the Tea Party
fighting for the right to eat transfats.
Mikek

No? Didn't you get the email from your local Tea Party chapter?



Nah, the whole topic is just a figment of you paranoid imagination.
You should stop in and visit your local Tea Party, they're a bunch
of good people that think the government is spending way to much
money. Not anyone you need to be afraid of.
Mikek


The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash. The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.
They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

Tea Party Finds Its Next Line in the Sand Battle.
 

On Fri, 08 Nov 2013 17:01:36 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 11/8/13, 3:41 PM, amdx wrote:
On 11/8/2013 1:11 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/8/13, 1:51 PM, amdx wrote:
On 11/7/2013 7:05 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Save the Transfats!


FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk



I found nothing in the article that referenced the Tea Party
fighting for the right to eat transfats.
Mikek

No? Didn't you get the email from your local Tea Party chapter?



Nah, the whole topic is just a figment of you paranoid imagination.
You should stop in and visit your local Tea Party, they're a bunch
of good people that think the government is spending way to much
money. Not anyone you need to be afraid of.
Mikek


The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash. The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.
They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.

You can't really blame them for trying to undo the current administration.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

Tea Party Finds Its Next Line in the Sand Battle.
 

On 11/8/2013 5:01 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:



The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash. The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.
They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.



Hypothetical:

The impossible happens and Ted Cruz is elected POTUS in 2016. In the
first few months of his presidency two bills are introduced in Congress
with the full support of Cruz who promises to immediately sign them into
law.

The first is to overturn Roe v. Wade, making abortions illegal.

The second is to reinstate both prayer and teaching of creationism in
public schools.

As a liberal, progressive Democrat, how hard would you be willing to
fight to prevent these bills from becoming law?

Point is the Tea Party crowd are as passionate about their beliefs as
liberal Democrats are about theirs.


Disclaimer: This post is in no way intended to suggest agreement or
support of the "Tea Party" movement.

Tea Party Finds Its Next Line in the Sand Battle.
 

On 11/8/13, 6:19 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/8/2013 5:01 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:



The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash. The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.
They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.



Hypothetical:

The impossible happens and Ted Cruz is elected POTUS in 2016. In the
first few months of his presidency two bills are introduced in Congress
with the full support of Cruz who promises to immediately sign them into
law.

The first is to overturn Roe v. Wade, making abortions illegal.

The second is to reinstate both prayer and teaching of creationism in
public schools.

As a liberal, progressive Democrat, how hard would you be willing to
fight to prevent these bills from becoming law?

Point is the Tea Party crowd are as passionate about their beliefs as
liberal Democrats are about theirs.


Disclaimer: This post is in no way intended to suggest agreement or
support of the "Tea Party" movement.

There's not much that can be done while such bills were moving through
Congress. If they were passed, though, I of course would support the
efforts of interested parties to file suit in U.S. District Court in the
District of Columbia for injunctions, which I assure you would be
granted. The District Court would find both unConstitutional. Cruz would
appeal to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth District, which would
uphold the District Court. Cruz would try to get the U.S. Supreme Court
to take an appeal. Since both laws would be in violation of settled law,
it is not likely the Supremes would take the case. If they did, they
would find for settled law, and Cruz would again be the fool.

Those sorts of beliefs of course would keep Cruz from being elected in
the first place. Cruz would be slaughtered in the popular and electoral
vote and that might actually signal the end of the Republican Party.



--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

Tea Party Finds Its Next Line in the Sand Battle.
 

On 11/8/2013 4:55 PM, Califbill wrote:
iBoaterer wrote:
In article 1387081389405627643.933360bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article 145542309405567106.527220bmckeenospam-
, says...

"F.O.A.D." wrote:
Save the Transfats!

FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk

Trans fats may be on their way out of U.S. foods.

The Food and Drug Administration has announced plans to have so-called
"partially hydrogenated oils (PHOs)," which are the main source of
artificial trans fats in processed foods, to be classified as food
additives. That means they won't be allowed to be used in food without
authorization of the FDA, which may effectively ban the substances.

FDA commissioner Dr. Margaret Hamburg told reporters Wednesday that the
action is being considered because PHOs are "not generally recognized as
safe for use in food."

The agency will allow 60 days for comments from the public and food
manufacturers, asking the latter how long it might take to reformulate
current products should the determination be finalized.

The agency pointed out some companies have voluntarily been scaling back
the amount of trans fat in foods. But it wants more to be done - an
additional 20,000 heart attacks and 7,000 deaths from heart disease each
year could be prevented by reducing trans fats, according to the FDA.

"These are significant numbers," said Hamburg.

"While consumption of potentially harmful artificial trans fat has
declined over the last two decades in the United States, current intake
remains a significant public health concern," she added in a statement.
"The FDA's action today is an important step toward protecting more
Americans from the potential dangers of trans fat."

The oils behind trans fats can be found in crackers, cookies, frozen
pies, other baked goods, microwave popcorn and other snacks, frozen
pizza, coffee creamers, refrigerated dough products (like biscuits and
cinnamon rolls), ready-to-use frostings, vegetable shortenings and stick
margarine, according to the FDA.

Consuming trans fat has been tied to an increased risk for coronary heart
disease, a condition in which plaque builds up inside the arteries, which
may lead to a heart attack. Previous research, including a 2002 report
from the nonpartisan Institute of Medicine, found a direct correlation
between eating trans fats and increased levels of "bad" LDL cholesterol,
which in turn can increase heart disease risk. The institute recommended
against eating any amount of the fats, finding they offered no health benefit.

Nanny state!

Yeah, people should be as unhealthy as possible, then all of the tax
payers can pay for their care.

Still, what is happening to freedom here?

I have no problem with what anybody does to themselves as long as it
doesn't burden ME. That said, who gets to pick and choose just WHAT
"freedoms"? Should one be free to rape or murder? How about arson? Okay
with that? Before you go on about those involve other people, so does
drug use, alcohol use, tobacco use, trans-fat use, and on and on.

You should have freedom to do pretty much what ever you want, as long as
the rest of us do not have to pay for your actions. Rape, murder. That is
someone else paying for your actions. Drugs? You want to use them? Your
choice. But we, as a society, are not picking up your medical or societal
costs. Your family can not afford to support you, you die.

I wonder if Loogie is feeling the burden that has been thrust upon him
by O'Bama

Tea Party Finds Its Next Line in the Sand Battle.
 

On 11/8/2013 6:36 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/8/13, 6:19 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/8/2013 5:01 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:



The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash. The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.
They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.



Hypothetical:

The impossible happens and Ted Cruz is elected POTUS in 2016. In the
first few months of his presidency two bills are introduced in Congress
with the full support of Cruz who promises to immediately sign them into
law.

The first is to overturn Roe v. Wade, making abortions illegal.

The second is to reinstate both prayer and teaching of creationism in
public schools.

As a liberal, progressive Democrat, how hard would you be willing to
fight to prevent these bills from becoming law?

Point is the Tea Party crowd are as passionate about their beliefs as
liberal Democrats are about theirs.


Disclaimer: This post is in no way intended to suggest agreement or
support of the "Tea Party" movement.

There's not much that can be done while such bills were moving through
Congress. If they were passed, though, I of course would support the
efforts of interested parties to file suit in U.S. District Court in the
District of Columbia for injunctions, which I assure you would be
granted. The District Court would find both unConstitutional. Cruz would
appeal to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth District, which would
uphold the District Court. Cruz would try to get the U.S. Supreme Court
to take an appeal. Since both laws would be in violation of settled law,
it is not likely the Supremes would take the case. If they did, they
would find for settled law, and Cruz would again be the fool.

Those sorts of beliefs of course would keep Cruz from being elected in
the first place. Cruz would be slaughtered in the popular and electoral
vote and that might actually signal the end of the Republican Party.




Thoughtful answer. Thanks.

I guess the Tea Party crowd don't want to mess with courts, so they just
block everything at the Congress level.

Tea Party Finds Its Next Line in the Sand Battle.
 

On 11/8/13, 7:23 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/8/2013 6:36 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/8/13, 6:19 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/8/2013 5:01 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:



The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash. The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.
They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.



Hypothetical:

The impossible happens and Ted Cruz is elected POTUS in 2016. In the
first few months of his presidency two bills are introduced in Congress
with the full support of Cruz who promises to immediately sign them into
law.

The first is to overturn Roe v. Wade, making abortions illegal.

The second is to reinstate both prayer and teaching of creationism in
public schools.

As a liberal, progressive Democrat, how hard would you be willing to
fight to prevent these bills from becoming law?

Point is the Tea Party crowd are as passionate about their beliefs as
liberal Democrats are about theirs.


Disclaimer: This post is in no way intended to suggest agreement or
support of the "Tea Party" movement.

There's not much that can be done while such bills were moving through
Congress. If they were passed, though, I of course would support the
efforts of interested parties to file suit in U.S. District Court in the
District of Columbia for injunctions, which I assure you would be
granted. The District Court would find both unConstitutional. Cruz would
appeal to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth District, which would
uphold the District Court. Cruz would try to get the U.S. Supreme Court
to take an appeal. Since both laws would be in violation of settled law,
it is not likely the Supremes would take the case. If they did, they
would find for settled law, and Cruz would again be the fool.

Those sorts of beliefs of course would keep Cruz from being elected in
the first place. Cruz would be slaughtered in the popular and electoral
vote and that might actually signal the end of the Republican Party.




Thoughtful answer. Thanks.

I guess the Tea Party crowd don't want to mess with courts, so they just
block everything at the Congress level.



I don't know how the GOP extricates itself from the crazies who control
the party or whether it even wants to do so. The U.S. House Tea Party
members are in safe gerrymandered districts. Sitting U.S. Senators are
hard to pry out of office. The last two days of negative comments coming
from the far right about Chris Christie are, I think, indicators that
the Republicans aren't going to change. The funny thing, of course, is
that Christie is a genuine conservative, but not conservative enough for
the Tea Party types.

Of course I have no idea who is going to be the standard bearer for
either party in 2016. But I do know that for the Dems, it will not be a
crazy person. For the Repubs, I'm pretty sure it will be. Someone like
Jon Huntsman, Jr., hasn't a chance for the nomination, but he'd do well
in the general election.

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

Tea Party Finds Its Next Line in the Sand Battle.
 

"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 11/8/13, 3:41 PM, amdx wrote:
On 11/8/2013 1:11 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/8/13, 1:51 PM, amdx wrote:
On 11/7/2013 7:05 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Save the Transfats!


FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk



I found nothing in the article that referenced the Tea Party
fighting for the right to eat transfats.
Mikek

No? Didn't you get the email from your local Tea Party chapter?



Nah, the whole topic is just a figment of you paranoid imagination.
You should stop in and visit your local Tea Party, they're a bunch
of good people that think the government is spending way to much
money. Not anyone you need to be afraid of.
Mikek


The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash. The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.
They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.


Seems as if I saw people of color at the Tea Party rallies on TV. Maybe
they are upset with a government than is hell bent on spending us in to
doom. A recession, the like of has not been seen for a thousand years. We
lose World Reserve Currency status and we are probably in worse shape than
most 3rd world countries. A populace who is not inclined to work hard, and
depends way to much on government handouts. Those flyover, redneck areas
will probably survive a hell of a lot better than most Liberal Arts majors,
and large city dwellers.

Tea Party Finds Its Next Line in the Sand Battle.
 

On 11/8/13, 7:51 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 11/8/13, 3:41 PM, amdx wrote:
On 11/8/2013 1:11 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/8/13, 1:51 PM, amdx wrote:
On 11/7/2013 7:05 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Save the Transfats!


FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk



I found nothing in the article that referenced the Tea Party
fighting for the right to eat transfats.
Mikek

No? Didn't you get the email from your local Tea Party chapter?



Nah, the whole topic is just a figment of you paranoid imagination.
You should stop in and visit your local Tea Party, they're a bunch
of good people that think the government is spending way to much
money. Not anyone you need to be afraid of.
Mikek


The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash. The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.
They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.


Seems as if I saw people of color at the Tea Party rallies on TV. Maybe
they are upset with a government than is hell bent on spending us in to
doom. A recession, the like of has not been seen for a thousand years. We
lose World Reserve Currency status and we are probably in worse shape than
most 3rd world countries. A populace who is not inclined to work hard, and
depends way to much on government handouts. Those flyover, redneck areas
will probably survive a hell of a lot better than most Liberal Arts majors,
and large city dwellers.


You see the same percentage of people of color at Tea Bagger rallies as
you do at the Republican National Convention.

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

Tea Party Finds Its Next Line in the Sand Battle.
 

On 11/8/2013 7:51 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 11/8/13, 3:41 PM, amdx wrote:
On 11/8/2013 1:11 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/8/13, 1:51 PM, amdx wrote:
On 11/7/2013 7:05 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Save the Transfats!


FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk



I found nothing in the article that referenced the Tea Party
fighting for the right to eat transfats.
Mikek

No? Didn't you get the email from your local Tea Party chapter?



Nah, the whole topic is just a figment of you paranoid imagination.
You should stop in and visit your local Tea Party, they're a bunch
of good people that think the government is spending way to much
money. Not anyone you need to be afraid of.
Mikek


The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash. The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.
They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.


Seems as if I saw people of color at the Tea Party rallies on TV. Maybe
they are upset with a government than is hell bent on spending us in to
doom. A recession, the like of has not been seen for a thousand years. We
lose World Reserve Currency status and we are probably in worse shape than
most 3rd world countries. A populace who is not inclined to work hard, and
depends way to much on government handouts. Those flyover, redneck areas
will probably survive a hell of a lot better than most Liberal Arts majors,
and large city dwellers.


Thing is Bill, the USA has plenty of tax revenues available to pay for
all kinds of things, including a systematic reduction of debt, if we
were willing to make the hard choices and re-arrange spending
priorities. The current administration hasn't seriously dealt with
that, mainly because of the protective nature of Congress members for
programs that benefit their home states.

The biggest one is defense spending. We could cut it in half tomorrow
and still be spending four times as much as any other nation on the
planet. We don't need 11 aircraft carriers and their support task force
ships anymore. That kind of defense spending is a carry over from the
days of the Cold War and only continues because it protects jobs.

Cuts in defense spending would hurt for a while and cause a kick in
unemployment numbers. But if the economy can start growing again at a
decent rate, those affected will be absorbed into an expanding job base.

Tea Party Finds Its Next Line in the Sand Battle.
 

On 11/8/2013 4:01 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/8/13, 3:41 PM, amdx wrote:
On 11/8/2013 1:11 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/8/13, 1:51 PM, amdx wrote:
On 11/7/2013 7:05 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Save the Transfats!


FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk



I found nothing in the article that referenced the Tea Party
fighting for the right to eat transfats.
Mikek

No? Didn't you get the email from your local Tea Party chapter?



Nah, the whole topic is just a figment of you paranoid imagination.
You should stop in and visit your local Tea Party, they're a bunch
of good people that think the government is spending way to much
money. Not anyone you need to be afraid of.
Mikek


The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash.

I don't think you have met enough Tea Party members to know this.
I have, the ones I have met are middle class or upper middle class.
This is propaganda that you have bought into.


The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.

I have not met any Tea Party racists in my area, N.W. Florida.
Tea Party members know that a government and laws are needed for a free
flow of commerce, courts are needed to enforce contracts.
The government is also needed to preserve safety and provide security
for the country. Tea Party members want government, but not one so large
it interferes with freedom of it's people.



They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.


You would need to be ignorant to believe the things you have said.
I don't believe you are ignorant, you just want to spread your liberal
ideas. But, denigrating the other side is not telling the story of
how great liberalism is. You are just making up lies in an effort to
make your side look better. Even the people on your side can see that.

This started when you found an article about banning transfats.
Then you linked that to the Tea Party, this was not in the article
and you gave no reference to provide any link between these two items.
The only place this exists is in your mind.


Mikek

Tea Party Finds Its Next Line in the Sand Battle.
 

On 11/8/13, 8:29 PM, amdx wrote:
On 11/8/2013 4:01 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/8/13, 3:41 PM, amdx wrote:
On 11/8/2013 1:11 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/8/13, 1:51 PM, amdx wrote:
On 11/7/2013 7:05 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Save the Transfats!


FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk



I found nothing in the article that referenced the Tea Party
fighting for the right to eat transfats.
Mikek

No? Didn't you get the email from your local Tea Party chapter?



Nah, the whole topic is just a figment of you paranoid imagination.
You should stop in and visit your local Tea Party, they're a bunch
of good people that think the government is spending way to much
money. Not anyone you need to be afraid of.
Mikek


The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash.

I don't think you have met enough Tea Party members to know this.
I have, the ones I have met are middle class or upper middle class.
This is propaganda that you have bought into.


The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.

I have not met any Tea Party racists in my area, N.W. Florida.
Tea Party members know that a government and laws are needed for a free
flow of commerce, courts are needed to enforce contracts.
The government is also needed to preserve safety and provide security
for the country. Tea Party members want government, but not one so large
it interferes with freedom of it's people.



They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.


You would need to be ignorant to believe the things you have said.
I don't believe you are ignorant, you just want to spread your liberal
ideas. But, denigrating the other side is not telling the story of
how great liberalism is. You are just making up lies in an effort to
make your side look better. Even the people on your side can see that.

This started when you found an article about banning transfats.
Then you linked that to the Tea Party, this was not in the article
and you gave no reference to provide any link between these two items.
The only place this exists is in your mind.


Mikek


I've seen enough Tea Party people on TV, being interviewed and at
rallies I happened to be walking by to know what they say they want. Ted
Cruz, Mike Lee, Michele Bachmann and Sarah Palin are your leading Tea
Party types.

The linkage between transfat and the Tea Party was sarcastic. There's no
question you are fully qualified to be in the Tea Party.

Your hero?

http://tinyurl.com/n9dlq8x

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

Tea Party Finds Its Next Line in the Sand Battle.
 

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 11/8/2013 7:51 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 11/8/13, 3:41 PM, amdx wrote:
On 11/8/2013 1:11 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/8/13, 1:51 PM, amdx wrote:
On 11/7/2013 7:05 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Save the Transfats!


FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk



I found nothing in the article that referenced the Tea Party
fighting for the right to eat transfats.
Mikek

No? Didn't you get the email from your local Tea Party chapter?



Nah, the whole topic is just a figment of you paranoid imagination.
You should stop in and visit your local Tea Party, they're a bunch
of good people that think the government is spending way to much
money. Not anyone you need to be afraid of.
Mikek


The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash. The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.
They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.


Seems as if I saw people of color at the Tea Party rallies on TV. Maybe
they are upset with a government than is hell bent on spending us in to
doom. A recession, the like of has not been seen for a thousand years. We
lose World Reserve Currency status and we are probably in worse shape than
most 3rd world countries. A populace who is not inclined to work hard, and
depends way to much on government handouts. Those flyover, redneck areas
will probably survive a hell of a lot better than most Liberal Arts majors,
and large city dwellers.


Thing is Bill, the USA has plenty of tax revenues available to pay for
all kinds of things, including a systematic reduction of debt, if we were
willing to make the hard choices and re-arrange spending priorities. The
current administration hasn't seriously dealt with that, mainly because
of the protective nature of Congress members for programs that benefit their home states.

The biggest one is defense spending. We could cut it in half tomorrow
and still be spending four times as much as any other nation on the
planet. We don't need 11 aircraft carriers and their support task force
ships anymore. That kind of defense spending is a carry over from the
days of the Cold War and only continues because it protects jobs.

Cuts in defense spending would hurt for a while and cause a kick in
unemployment numbers. But if the economy can start growing again at a
decent rate, those affected will be absorbed into an expanding job base.

We could cut defense spending 100% and we could still not pay down our
debt. We have 46% of the people not paying any income taxes! with EIC
giving checks to some of those. About 85% of our tax revenue is for
spending on mandatory items. SS, entitlements such as retirement, etc. we
have to bite the bullet and stop spending our kids money, and both cut
spending and raise taxes. Both on those now paying taxes and those
presently getting a free ride. Is just not this administration that is
overspending, but they are printing money like mad, which is going to be
the semi hidden tax of inflation. Also leading us to lose reserve currency
status. My oldest daughter is 40 years old. I think same as you're
child. How the hell have we burdened them with so much debt, for no
infrastructure? At least in Ike's time we build highways with our
spending. 40 years ago, the debt was only about $650 billion. We have to
decide that the people actually have to work for a living. We give 99
weeks of unemployment now. You could get an Associates degree in less
time. Maybe we have to go back to the 26 weeks and those people will have
to get a job with a cut in pay. Why do we have so many Latinos here
working when citizens state they can not get a job? Lack of work ethic?

Tea Party Finds Its Next Line in the Sand Battle.
 

"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 11/8/13, 7:51 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 11/8/13, 3:41 PM, amdx wrote:
On 11/8/2013 1:11 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/8/13, 1:51 PM, amdx wrote:
On 11/7/2013 7:05 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Save the Transfats!


FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk



I found nothing in the article that referenced the Tea Party
fighting for the right to eat transfats.
Mikek

No? Didn't you get the email from your local Tea Party chapter?



Nah, the whole topic is just a figment of you paranoid imagination.
You should stop in and visit your local Tea Party, they're a bunch
of good people that think the government is spending way to much
money. Not anyone you need to be afraid of.
Mikek


The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash. The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.
They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.


Seems as if I saw people of color at the Tea Party rallies on TV. Maybe
they are upset with a government than is hell bent on spending us in to
doom. A recession, the like of has not been seen for a thousand years. We
lose World Reserve Currency status and we are probably in worse shape than
most 3rd world countries. A populace who is not inclined to work hard, and
depends way to much on government handouts. Those flyover, redneck areas
will probably survive a hell of a lot better than most Liberal Arts majors,
and large city dwellers.


You see the same percentage of people of color at Tea Bagger rallies as
you do at the Republican National Convention.


And I see colors there too.

Tea Party Finds Its Next Line in the Sand Battle.
 

On 11/8/2013 10:10 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 11/8/2013 7:51 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 11/8/13, 3:41 PM, amdx wrote:
On 11/8/2013 1:11 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/8/13, 1:51 PM, amdx wrote:
On 11/7/2013 7:05 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Save the Transfats!


FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk



I found nothing in the article that referenced the Tea Party
fighting for the right to eat transfats.
Mikek

No? Didn't you get the email from your local Tea Party chapter?



Nah, the whole topic is just a figment of you paranoid imagination.
You should stop in and visit your local Tea Party, they're a bunch
of good people that think the government is spending way to much
money. Not anyone you need to be afraid of.
Mikek


The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash. The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.
They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.


Seems as if I saw people of color at the Tea Party rallies on TV. Maybe
they are upset with a government than is hell bent on spending us in to
doom. A recession, the like of has not been seen for a thousand years. We
lose World Reserve Currency status and we are probably in worse shape than
most 3rd world countries. A populace who is not inclined to work hard, and
depends way to much on government handouts. Those flyover, redneck areas
will probably survive a hell of a lot better than most Liberal Arts majors,
and large city dwellers.


Thing is Bill, the USA has plenty of tax revenues available to pay for
all kinds of things, including a systematic reduction of debt, if we were
willing to make the hard choices and re-arrange spending priorities. The
current administration hasn't seriously dealt with that, mainly because
of the protective nature of Congress members for programs that benefit their home states.

The biggest one is defense spending. We could cut it in half tomorrow
and still be spending four times as much as any other nation on the
planet. We don't need 11 aircraft carriers and their support task force
ships anymore. That kind of defense spending is a carry over from the
days of the Cold War and only continues because it protects jobs.

Cuts in defense spending would hurt for a while and cause a kick in
unemployment numbers. But if the economy can start growing again at a
decent rate, those affected will be absorbed into an expanding job base.

We could cut defense spending 100% and we could still not pay down our
debt. We have 46% of the people not paying any income taxes! with EIC
giving checks to some of those. About 85% of our tax revenue is for
spending on mandatory items. SS, entitlements such as retirement, etc. we
have to bite the bullet and stop spending our kids money, and both cut
spending and raise taxes. Both on those now paying taxes and those
presently getting a free ride. Is just not this administration that is
overspending, but they are printing money like mad, which is going to be
the semi hidden tax of inflation. Also leading us to lose reserve currency
status. My oldest daughter is 40 years old. I think same as you're
child. How the hell have we burdened them with so much debt, for no
infrastructure? At least in Ike's time we build highways with our
spending. 40 years ago, the debt was only about $650 billion. We have to
decide that the people actually have to work for a living. We give 99
weeks of unemployment now. You could get an Associates degree in less
time. Maybe we have to go back to the 26 weeks and those people will have
to get a job with a cut in pay. Why do we have so many Latinos here
working when citizens state they can not get a job? Lack of work ethic?


Good points. Think I'll move to Costa Rica or something. Getting
depressed with all the problems that apparently have no realistic
solutions. Not programmed for that.

Tea Party Finds Its Next Line in the Sand Battle.
 

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 11/8/2013 10:10 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 11/8/2013 7:51 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 11/8/13, 3:41 PM, amdx wrote:
On 11/8/2013 1:11 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/8/13, 1:51 PM, amdx wrote:
On 11/7/2013 7:05 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Save the Transfats!


FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk



I found nothing in the article that referenced the Tea Party
fighting for the right to eat transfats.
Mikek

No? Didn't you get the email from your local Tea Party chapter?



Nah, the whole topic is just a figment of you paranoid imagination.
You should stop in and visit your local Tea Party, they're a bunch
of good people that think the government is spending way to much
money. Not anyone you need to be afraid of.
Mikek


The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash. The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.
They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.


Seems as if I saw people of color at the Tea Party rallies on TV. Maybe
they are upset with a government than is hell bent on spending us in to
doom. A recession, the like of has not been seen for a thousand years. We
lose World Reserve Currency status and we are probably in worse shape than
most 3rd world countries. A populace who is not inclined to work hard, and
depends way to much on government handouts. Those flyover, redneck areas
will probably survive a hell of a lot better than most Liberal Arts majors,
and large city dwellers.


Thing is Bill, the USA has plenty of tax revenues available to pay for
all kinds of things, including a systematic reduction of debt, if we were
willing to make the hard choices and re-arrange spending priorities. The
current administration hasn't seriously dealt with that, mainly because
of the protective nature of Congress members for programs that benefit their home states.

The biggest one is defense spending. We could cut it in half tomorrow
and still be spending four times as much as any other nation on the
planet. We don't need 11 aircraft carriers and their support task force
ships anymore. That kind of defense spending is a carry over from the
days of the Cold War and only continues because it protects jobs.

Cuts in defense spending would hurt for a while and cause a kick in
unemployment numbers. But if the economy can start growing again at a
decent rate, those affected will be absorbed into an expanding job base.

We could cut defense spending 100% and we could still not pay down our
debt. We have 46% of the people not paying any income taxes! with EIC
giving checks to some of those. About 85% of our tax revenue is for
spending on mandatory items. SS, entitlements such as retirement, etc. we
have to bite the bullet and stop spending our kids money, and both cut
spending and raise taxes. Both on those now paying taxes and those
presently getting a free ride. Is just not this administration that is
overspending, but they are printing money like mad, which is going to be
the semi hidden tax of inflation. Also leading us to lose reserve currency
status. My oldest daughter is 40 years old. I think same as you're
child. How the hell have we burdened them with so much debt, for no
infrastructure? At least in Ike's time we build highways with our
spending. 40 years ago, the debt was only about $650 billion. We have to
decide that the people actually have to work for a living. We give 99
weeks of unemployment now. You could get an Associates degree in less
time. Maybe we have to go back to the 26 weeks and those people will have
to get a job with a cut in pay. Why do we have so many Latinos here
working when citizens state they can not get a job? Lack of work ethic?


Good points. Think I'll move to Costa Rica or something. Getting
depressed with all the problems that apparently have no realistic
solutions. Not programmed for that.

Been to Costa Rica several times. First time for 30 days, and figured that
was a week too long. Do not think I would want to move there. But if we
crash, it is going to be a world wide depression, so better to live
someplace where you can fish and grow a nice garden. Sort of Victory
Garden time.

Tea Party Finds Its Next Line in the Sand Battle.
 

On 11/8/2013 8:32 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/8/13, 8:29 PM, amdx wrote:
On 11/8/2013 4:01 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/8/13, 3:41 PM, amdx wrote:
On 11/8/2013 1:11 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/8/13, 1:51 PM, amdx wrote:
On 11/7/2013 7:05 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Save the Transfats!


FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk



I found nothing in the article that referenced the Tea Party
fighting for the right to eat transfats.
Mikek

No? Didn't you get the email from your local Tea Party chapter?



Nah, the whole topic is just a figment of you paranoid imagination.
You should stop in and visit your local Tea Party, they're a bunch
of good people that think the government is spending way to much
money. Not anyone you need to be afraid of.
Mikek


The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash.

I don't think you have met enough Tea Party members to know this.
I have, the ones I have met are middle class or upper middle class.
This is propaganda that you have bought into.


The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.

I have not met any Tea Party racists in my area, N.W. Florida.
Tea Party members know that a government and laws are needed for a free
flow of commerce, courts are needed to enforce contracts.
The government is also needed to preserve safety and provide security
for the country. Tea Party members want government, but not one so large
it interferes with freedom of it's people.



They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.


You would need to be ignorant to believe the things you have said.
I don't believe you are ignorant, you just want to spread your liberal
ideas. But, denigrating the other side is not telling the story of
how great liberalism is. You are just making up lies in an effort to
make your side look better. Even the people on your side can see that.

This started when you found an article about banning transfats.
Then you linked that to the Tea Party, this was not in the article
and you gave no reference to provide any link between these two items.
The only place this exists is in your mind.


Mikek


I've seen enough Tea Party people on TV, being interviewed and at
rallies I happened to be walking by to know what they say they want. Ted
Cruz, Mike Lee, Michele Bachmann and Sarah Palin are your leading Tea
Party types.

The linkage between transfat and the Tea Party was sarcastic.

You have hundreds of other posts denigrating the Tea Party,
and you have to post another, linking transfat and the Tea Party.
As I said I don't think you are ignorant, and I was right!
It just shows the hate you have, to pick any topic and link it to the
Tea Party.
I think the left is trying put distance between you and them.
Calm down.
Mikek

Tea Party Finds Its Next Line in the Sand Battle.
 

On 11/9/13, 8:24 AM, amdx wrote:
On 11/8/2013 8:32 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/8/13, 8:29 PM, amdx wrote:
On 11/8/2013 4:01 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/8/13, 3:41 PM, amdx wrote:
On 11/8/2013 1:11 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/8/13, 1:51 PM, amdx wrote:
On 11/7/2013 7:05 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Save the Transfats!


FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk



I found nothing in the article that referenced the Tea Party
fighting for the right to eat transfats.
Mikek

No? Didn't you get the email from your local Tea Party chapter?



Nah, the whole topic is just a figment of you paranoid imagination.
You should stop in and visit your local Tea Party, they're a bunch
of good people that think the government is spending way to much
money. Not anyone you need to be afraid of.
Mikek


The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash.

I don't think you have met enough Tea Party members to know this.
I have, the ones I have met are middle class or upper middle class.
This is propaganda that you have bought into.


The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.

I have not met any Tea Party racists in my area, N.W. Florida.
Tea Party members know that a government and laws are needed for a free
flow of commerce, courts are needed to enforce contracts.
The government is also needed to preserve safety and provide security
for the country. Tea Party members want government, but not one so large
it interferes with freedom of it's people.



They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.


You would need to be ignorant to believe the things you have said.
I don't believe you are ignorant, you just want to spread your liberal
ideas. But, denigrating the other side is not telling the story of
how great liberalism is. You are just making up lies in an effort to
make your side look better. Even the people on your side can see that.

This started when you found an article about banning transfats.
Then you linked that to the Tea Party, this was not in the article
and you gave no reference to provide any link between these two items.
The only place this exists is in your mind.


Mikek


I've seen enough Tea Party people on TV, being interviewed and at
rallies I happened to be walking by to know what they say they want. Ted
Cruz, Mike Lee, Michele Bachmann and Sarah Palin are your leading Tea
Party types.

The linkage between transfat and the Tea Party was sarcastic.

You have hundreds of other posts denigrating the Tea Party,
and you have to post another, linking transfat and the Tea Party.
As I said I don't think you are ignorant, and I was right!
It just shows the hate you have, to pick any topic and link it to the
Tea Party.
I think the left is trying put distance between you and them.
Calm down.
Mikek




That's right, Mikey. I think the Tea Party and its leaders and many of
its followers are trash. Most Americans also have negative opinions of
the Tea Party.

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

Tea Party Finds Its Next Line in the Sand Battle.
 

In article 2108469628405640335.587771bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article 1387081389405627643.933360bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article 145542309405567106.527220bmckeenospam-
, says...

"F.O.A.D." wrote:
Save the Transfats!

FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk

Trans fats may be on their way out of U.S. foods.

The Food and Drug Administration has announced plans to have so-called
"partially hydrogenated oils (PHOs)," which are the main source of
artificial trans fats in processed foods, to be classified as food
additives. That means they won't be allowed to be used in food without
authorization of the FDA, which may effectively ban the substances.

FDA commissioner Dr. Margaret Hamburg told reporters Wednesday that the
action is being considered because PHOs are "not generally recognized as
safe for use in food."

The agency will allow 60 days for comments from the public and food
manufacturers, asking the latter how long it might take to reformulate
current products should the determination be finalized.

The agency pointed out some companies have voluntarily been scaling back
the amount of trans fat in foods. But it wants more to be done - an
additional 20,000 heart attacks and 7,000 deaths from heart disease each
year could be prevented by reducing trans fats, according to the FDA.

"These are significant numbers," said Hamburg.

"While consumption of potentially harmful artificial trans fat has
declined over the last two decades in the United States, current intake
remains a significant public health concern," she added in a statement.
"The FDA's action today is an important step toward protecting more
Americans from the potential dangers of trans fat."

The oils behind trans fats can be found in crackers, cookies, frozen
pies, other baked goods, microwave popcorn and other snacks, frozen
pizza, coffee creamers, refrigerated dough products (like biscuits and
cinnamon rolls), ready-to-use frostings, vegetable shortenings and stick
margarine, according to the FDA.

Consuming trans fat has been tied to an increased risk for coronary heart
disease, a condition in which plaque builds up inside the arteries, which
may lead to a heart attack. Previous research, including a 2002 report
from the nonpartisan Institute of Medicine, found a direct correlation
between eating trans fats and increased levels of "bad" LDL cholesterol,
which in turn can increase heart disease risk. The institute recommended
against eating any amount of the fats, finding they offered no health benefit.

Nanny state!

Yeah, people should be as unhealthy as possible, then all of the tax
payers can pay for their care.

Still, what is happening to freedom here?

I have no problem with what anybody does to themselves as long as it
doesn't burden ME. That said, who gets to pick and choose just WHAT
"freedoms"? Should one be free to rape or murder? How about arson? Okay
with that? Before you go on about those involve other people, so does
drug use, alcohol use, tobacco use, trans-fat use, and on and on.

You should have freedom to do pretty much what ever you want, as long as
the rest of us do not have to pay for your actions. Rape, murder. That is
someone else paying for your actions. Drugs? You want to use them? Your
choice. But we, as a society, are not picking up your medical or societal
costs. Your family can not afford to support you, you die.

But drug use DOES affect others. In many ways. Are you okay with
trawlers going to your favorite lake and scooping every living thing out
of it? All negative actions affect someone somehow.

Tea Party Finds Its Next Line in the Sand Battle.
 

iBoaterer wrote:
In article 2108469628405640335.587771bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article 1387081389405627643.933360bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article 145542309405567106.527220bmckeenospam-
, says...

"F.O.A.D." wrote:
Save the Transfats!

FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk

Trans fats may be on their way out of U.S. foods.

The Food and Drug Administration has announced plans to have so-called
"partially hydrogenated oils (PHOs)," which are the main source of
artificial trans fats in processed foods, to be classified as food
additives. That means they won't be allowed to be used in food without
authorization of the FDA, which may effectively ban the substances.

FDA commissioner Dr. Margaret Hamburg told reporters Wednesday that the
action is being considered because PHOs are "not generally recognized as
safe for use in food."

The agency will allow 60 days for comments from the public and food
manufacturers, asking the latter how long it might take to reformulate
current products should the determination be finalized.

The agency pointed out some companies have voluntarily been scaling back
the amount of trans fat in foods. But it wants more to be done - an
additional 20,000 heart attacks and 7,000 deaths from heart disease each
year could be prevented by reducing trans fats, according to the FDA.

"These are significant numbers," said Hamburg.

"While consumption of potentially harmful artificial trans fat has
declined over the last two decades in the United States, current intake
remains a significant public health concern," she added in a statement.
"The FDA's action today is an important step toward protecting more
Americans from the potential dangers of trans fat."

The oils behind trans fats can be found in crackers, cookies, frozen
pies, other baked goods, microwave popcorn and other snacks, frozen
pizza, coffee creamers, refrigerated dough products (like biscuits and
cinnamon rolls), ready-to-use frostings, vegetable shortenings and stick
margarine, according to the FDA.

Consuming trans fat has been tied to an increased risk for coronary heart
disease, a condition in which plaque builds up inside the arteries, which
may lead to a heart attack. Previous research, including a 2002 report
from the nonpartisan Institute of Medicine, found a direct correlation
between eating trans fats and increased levels of "bad" LDL cholesterol,
which in turn can increase heart disease risk. The institute recommended
against eating any amount of the fats, finding they offered no health benefit.

Nanny state!

Yeah, people should be as unhealthy as possible, then all of the tax
payers can pay for their care.

Still, what is happening to freedom here?

I have no problem with what anybody does to themselves as long as it
doesn't burden ME. That said, who gets to pick and choose just WHAT
"freedoms"? Should one be free to rape or murder? How about arson? Okay
with that? Before you go on about those involve other people, so does
drug use, alcohol use, tobacco use, trans-fat use, and on and on.

You should have freedom to do pretty much what ever you want, as long as
the rest of us do not have to pay for your actions. Rape, murder. That is
someone else paying for your actions. Drugs? You want to use them? Your
choice. But we, as a society, are not picking up your medical or societal
costs. Your family can not afford to support you, you die.

But drug use DOES affect others. In many ways. Are you okay with
trawlers going to your favorite lake and scooping every living thing out
of it? All negative actions affect someone somehow.

Sure drugs affect others, but unless the drug addict is committing crimes
to get the drugs, they affect their close family, friends. Not society as
a whole. Illegal trawlers, etc, affect large parts of society, that is not
closely connected.

Tea Party Finds Its Next Line in the Sand Battle.
 

In article 219522587405713035.186833bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article 2108469628405640335.587771bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article 1387081389405627643.933360bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article 145542309405567106.527220bmckeenospam-
, says...

"F.O.A.D." wrote:
Save the Transfats!

FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk

Trans fats may be on their way out of U.S. foods.

The Food and Drug Administration has announced plans to have so-called
"partially hydrogenated oils (PHOs)," which are the main source of
artificial trans fats in processed foods, to be classified as food
additives. That means they won't be allowed to be used in food without
authorization of the FDA, which may effectively ban the substances.

FDA commissioner Dr. Margaret Hamburg told reporters Wednesday that the
action is being considered because PHOs are "not generally recognized as
safe for use in food."

The agency will allow 60 days for comments from the public and food
manufacturers, asking the latter how long it might take to reformulate
current products should the determination be finalized.

The agency pointed out some companies have voluntarily been scaling back
the amount of trans fat in foods. But it wants more to be done - an
additional 20,000 heart attacks and 7,000 deaths from heart disease each
year could be prevented by reducing trans fats, according to the FDA.

"These are significant numbers," said Hamburg.

"While consumption of potentially harmful artificial trans fat has
declined over the last two decades in the United States, current intake
remains a significant public health concern," she added in a statement.
"The FDA's action today is an important step toward protecting more
Americans from the potential dangers of trans fat."

The oils behind trans fats can be found in crackers, cookies, frozen
pies, other baked goods, microwave popcorn and other snacks, frozen
pizza, coffee creamers, refrigerated dough products (like biscuits and
cinnamon rolls), ready-to-use frostings, vegetable shortenings and stick
margarine, according to the FDA.

Consuming trans fat has been tied to an increased risk for coronary heart
disease, a condition in which plaque builds up inside the arteries, which
may lead to a heart attack. Previous research, including a 2002 report
from the nonpartisan Institute of Medicine, found a direct correlation
between eating trans fats and increased levels of "bad" LDL cholesterol,
which in turn can increase heart disease risk. The institute recommended
against eating any amount of the fats, finding they offered no health benefit.

Nanny state!

Yeah, people should be as unhealthy as possible, then all of the tax
payers can pay for their care.

Still, what is happening to freedom here?

I have no problem with what anybody does to themselves as long as it
doesn't burden ME. That said, who gets to pick and choose just WHAT
"freedoms"? Should one be free to rape or murder? How about arson? Okay
with that? Before you go on about those involve other people, so does
drug use, alcohol use, tobacco use, trans-fat use, and on and on.

You should have freedom to do pretty much what ever you want, as long as
the rest of us do not have to pay for your actions. Rape, murder. That is
someone else paying for your actions. Drugs? You want to use them? Your
choice. But we, as a society, are not picking up your medical or societal
costs. Your family can not afford to support you, you die.

But drug use DOES affect others. In many ways. Are you okay with
trawlers going to your favorite lake and scooping every living thing out
of it? All negative actions affect someone somehow.

Sure drugs affect others, but unless the drug addict is committing crimes
to get the drugs, they affect their close family, friends. Not society as
a whole. Illegal trawlers, etc, affect large parts of society, that is not
closely connected.

Horse****! I'd guess then, you'd have no problem with drug addicts
camped in your yard every morning? If you had a business, you'd have no
problem with drug addicts sleeping in your doorway?

Tea Party Finds Its Next Line in the Sand Battle.
 

iBoaterer wrote:
In article 219522587405713035.186833bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article 2108469628405640335.587771bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article 1387081389405627643.933360bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article 145542309405567106.527220bmckeenospam-
, says...

"F.O.A.D." wrote:
Save the Transfats!

FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk

Trans fats may be on their way out of U.S. foods.

The Food and Drug Administration has announced plans to have so-called
"partially hydrogenated oils (PHOs)," which are the main source of
artificial trans fats in processed foods, to be classified as food
additives. That means they won't be allowed to be used in food without
authorization of the FDA, which may effectively ban the substances.

FDA commissioner Dr. Margaret Hamburg told reporters Wednesday that the
action is being considered because PHOs are "not generally recognized as
safe for use in food."

The agency will allow 60 days for comments from the public and food
manufacturers, asking the latter how long it might take to reformulate
current products should the determination be finalized.

The agency pointed out some companies have voluntarily been scaling back
the amount of trans fat in foods. But it wants more to be done - an
additional 20,000 heart attacks and 7,000 deaths from heart disease each
year could be prevented by reducing trans fats, according to the FDA.

"These are significant numbers," said Hamburg.

"While consumption of potentially harmful artificial trans fat has
declined over the last two decades in the United States, current intake
remains a significant public health concern," she added in a statement.
"The FDA's action today is an important step toward protecting more
Americans from the potential dangers of trans fat."

The oils behind trans fats can be found in crackers, cookies, frozen
pies, other baked goods, microwave popcorn and other snacks, frozen
pizza, coffee creamers, refrigerated dough products (like biscuits and
cinnamon rolls), ready-to-use frostings, vegetable shortenings and stick
margarine, according to the FDA.

Consuming trans fat has been tied to an increased risk for coronary heart
disease, a condition in which plaque builds up inside the arteries, which
may lead to a heart attack. Previous research, including a 2002 report
from the nonpartisan Institute of Medicine, found a direct correlation
between eating trans fats and increased levels of "bad" LDL cholesterol,
which in turn can increase heart disease risk. The institute recommended
against eating any amount of the fats, finding they offered no health benefit.

Nanny state!

Yeah, people should be as unhealthy as possible, then all of the tax
payers can pay for their care.

Still, what is happening to freedom here?

I have no problem with what anybody does to themselves as long as it
doesn't burden ME. That said, who gets to pick and choose just WHAT
"freedoms"? Should one be free to rape or murder? How about arson? Okay
with that? Before you go on about those involve other people, so does
drug use, alcohol use, tobacco use, trans-fat use, and on and on.

You should have freedom to do pretty much what ever you want, as long as
the rest of us do not have to pay for your actions. Rape, murder. That is
someone else paying for your actions. Drugs? You want to use them? Your
choice. But we, as a society, are not picking up your medical or societal
costs. Your family can not afford to support you, you die.

But drug use DOES affect others. In many ways. Are you okay with
trawlers going to your favorite lake and scooping every living thing out
of it? All negative actions affect someone somehow.

Sure drugs affect others, but unless the drug addict is committing crimes
to get the drugs, they affect their close family, friends. Not society as
a whole. Illegal trawlers, etc, affect large parts of society, that is not
closely connected.

Horse****! I'd guess then, you'd have no problem with drug addicts
camped in your yard every morning? If you had a business, you'd have no
problem with drug addicts sleeping in your doorway?

They die, and don't camp anymore.

Tea Party Finds Its Next Line in the Sand Battle.
 

In article 1845149103405719249.304688bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article 219522587405713035.186833bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article 2108469628405640335.587771bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article 1387081389405627643.933360bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article 145542309405567106.527220bmckeenospam-
, says...

"F.O.A.D." wrote:
Save the Transfats!

FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk

Trans fats may be on their way out of U.S. foods.

The Food and Drug Administration has announced plans to have so-called
"partially hydrogenated oils (PHOs)," which are the main source of
artificial trans fats in processed foods, to be classified as food
additives. That means they won't be allowed to be used in food without
authorization of the FDA, which may effectively ban the substances.

FDA commissioner Dr. Margaret Hamburg told reporters Wednesday that the
action is being considered because PHOs are "not generally recognized as
safe for use in food."

The agency will allow 60 days for comments from the public and food
manufacturers, asking the latter how long it might take to reformulate
current products should the determination be finalized.

The agency pointed out some companies have voluntarily been scaling back
the amount of trans fat in foods. But it wants more to be done - an
additional 20,000 heart attacks and 7,000 deaths from heart disease each
year could be prevented by reducing trans fats, according to the FDA.

"These are significant numbers," said Hamburg.

"While consumption of potentially harmful artificial trans fat has
declined over the last two decades in the United States, current intake
remains a significant public health concern," she added in a statement.
"The FDA's action today is an important step toward protecting more
Americans from the potential dangers of trans fat."

The oils behind trans fats can be found in crackers, cookies, frozen
pies, other baked goods, microwave popcorn and other snacks, frozen
pizza, coffee creamers, refrigerated dough products (like biscuits and
cinnamon rolls), ready-to-use frostings, vegetable shortenings and stick
margarine, according to the FDA.

Consuming trans fat has been tied to an increased risk for coronary heart
disease, a condition in which plaque builds up inside the arteries, which
may lead to a heart attack. Previous research, including a 2002 report
from the nonpartisan Institute of Medicine, found a direct correlation
between eating trans fats and increased levels of "bad" LDL cholesterol,
which in turn can increase heart disease risk. The institute recommended
against eating any amount of the fats, finding they offered no health benefit.

Nanny state!

Yeah, people should be as unhealthy as possible, then all of the tax
payers can pay for their care.

Still, what is happening to freedom here?

I have no problem with what anybody does to themselves as long as it
doesn't burden ME. That said, who gets to pick and choose just WHAT
"freedoms"? Should one be free to rape or murder? How about arson? Okay
with that? Before you go on about those involve other people, so does
drug use, alcohol use, tobacco use, trans-fat use, and on and on.

You should have freedom to do pretty much what ever you want, as long as
the rest of us do not have to pay for your actions. Rape, murder. That is
someone else paying for your actions. Drugs? You want to use them? Your
choice. But we, as a society, are not picking up your medical or societal
costs. Your family can not afford to support you, you die.

But drug use DOES affect others. In many ways. Are you okay with
trawlers going to your favorite lake and scooping every living thing out
of it? All negative actions affect someone somehow.

Sure drugs affect others, but unless the drug addict is committing crimes
to get the drugs, they affect their close family, friends. Not society as
a whole. Illegal trawlers, etc, affect large parts of society, that is not
closely connected.

Horse****! I'd guess then, you'd have no problem with drug addicts
camped in your yard every morning? If you had a business, you'd have no
problem with drug addicts sleeping in your doorway?

They die, and don't camp anymore.

Die from what?

Tea Party Finds Its Next Line in the Sand Battle.
 

On 11/9/13, 4:11 PM, Gogarty wrote:
In article , says...


On 11/8/13, 3:41 PM, amdx wrote:
On 11/8/2013 1:11 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/8/13, 1:51 PM, amdx wrote:
On 11/7/2013 7:05 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Save the Transfats!


FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk



I found nothing in the article that referenced the Tea Party
fighting for the right to eat transfats.
Mikek

No? Didn't you get the email from your local Tea Party chapter?



Nah, the whole topic is just a figment of you paranoid imagination.
You should stop in and visit your local Tea Party, they're a bunch
of good people that think the government is spending way to much
money. Not anyone you need to be afraid of.
Mikek


The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash. The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.
They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.

Got out of the wrong side of the bed this morning?


Just calling them as I've seen them.

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

Tea Party Finds Its Next Line in the Sand Battle.
 

iBoaterer wrote:
In article 1845149103405719249.304688bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article 219522587405713035.186833bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article 2108469628405640335.587771bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article 1387081389405627643.933360bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article 145542309405567106.527220bmckeenospam-
, says...

"F.O.A.D." wrote:
Save the Transfats!

FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk

Trans fats may be on their way out of U.S. foods.

The Food and Drug Administration has announced plans to have so-called
"partially hydrogenated oils (PHOs)," which are the main source of
artificial trans fats in processed foods, to be classified as food
additives. That means they won't be allowed to be used in food without
authorization of the FDA, which may effectively ban the substances.

FDA commissioner Dr. Margaret Hamburg told reporters Wednesday that the
action is being considered because PHOs are "not generally recognized as
safe for use in food."

The agency will allow 60 days for comments from the public and food
manufacturers, asking the latter how long it might take to reformulate
current products should the determination be finalized.

The agency pointed out some companies have voluntarily been scaling back
the amount of trans fat in foods. But it wants more to be done - an
additional 20,000 heart attacks and 7,000 deaths from heart disease each
year could be prevented by reducing trans fats, according to the FDA.

"These are significant numbers," said Hamburg.

"While consumption of potentially harmful artificial trans fat has
declined over the last two decades in the United States, current intake
remains a significant public health concern," she added in a statement.
"The FDA's action today is an important step toward protecting more
Americans from the potential dangers of trans fat."

The oils behind trans fats can be found in crackers, cookies, frozen
pies, other baked goods, microwave popcorn and other snacks, frozen
pizza, coffee creamers, refrigerated dough products (like biscuits and
cinnamon rolls), ready-to-use frostings, vegetable shortenings and stick
margarine, according to the FDA.

Consuming trans fat has been tied to an increased risk for coronary heart
disease, a condition in which plaque builds up inside the arteries, which
may lead to a heart attack. Previous research, including a 2002 report
from the nonpartisan Institute of Medicine, found a direct correlation
between eating trans fats and increased levels of "bad" LDL cholesterol,
which in turn can increase heart disease risk. The institute recommended
against eating any amount of the fats, finding they offered no health benefit.

Nanny state!

Yeah, people should be as unhealthy as possible, then all of the tax
payers can pay for their care.

Still, what is happening to freedom here?

I have no problem with what anybody does to themselves as long as it
doesn't burden ME. That said, who gets to pick and choose just WHAT
"freedoms"? Should one be free to rape or murder? How about arson? Okay
with that? Before you go on about those involve other people, so does
drug use, alcohol use, tobacco use, trans-fat use, and on and on.

You should have freedom to do pretty much what ever you want, as long as
the rest of us do not have to pay for your actions. Rape, murder. That is
someone else paying for your actions. Drugs? You want to use them? Your
choice. But we, as a society, are not picking up your medical or societal
costs. Your family can not afford to support you, you die.

But drug use DOES affect others. In many ways. Are you okay with
trawlers going to your favorite lake and scooping every living thing out
of it? All negative actions affect someone somehow.

Sure drugs affect others, but unless the drug addict is committing crimes
to get the drugs, they affect their close family, friends. Not society as
a whole. Illegal trawlers, etc, affect large parts of society, that is not
closely connected.

Horse****! I'd guess then, you'd have no problem with drug addicts
camped in your yard every morning? If you had a business, you'd have no
problem with drug addicts sleeping in your doorway?

They die, and don't camp anymore.

Die from what?

Drugs and exposure. Next.

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"F.O.A.D." wrote:
Save the Transfats!

FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk

Trans fats may be on their way out of U.S. foods.

The Food and Drug Administration has announced plans to have so-called
"partially hydrogenated oils (PHOs)," which are the main source of
artificial trans fats in processed foods, to be classified as food
additives. That means they won't be allowed to be used in food without
authorization of the FDA, which may effectively ban the substances.

FDA commissioner Dr. Margaret Hamburg told reporters Wednesday that the
action is being considered because PHOs are "not generally recognized as
safe for use in food."

The agency will allow 60 days for comments from the public and food
manufacturers, asking the latter how long it might take to reformulate
current products should the determination be finalized.

The agency pointed out some companies have voluntarily been scaling back
the amount of trans fat in foods. But it wants more to be done - an
additional 20,000 heart attacks and 7,000 deaths from heart disease each
year could be prevented by reducing trans fats, according to the FDA.

"These are significant numbers," said Hamburg.

"While consumption of potentially harmful artificial trans fat has
declined over the last two decades in the United States, current intake
remains a significant public health concern," she added in a statement.
"The FDA's action today is an important step toward protecting more
Americans from the potential dangers of trans fat."

The oils behind trans fats can be found in crackers, cookies, frozen
pies, other baked goods, microwave popcorn and other snacks, frozen
pizza, coffee creamers, refrigerated dough products (like biscuits and
cinnamon rolls), ready-to-use frostings, vegetable shortenings and stick
margarine, according to the FDA.

Consuming trans fat has been tied to an increased risk for coronary heart
disease, a condition in which plaque builds up inside the arteries, which
may lead to a heart attack. Previous research, including a 2002 report
from the nonpartisan Institute of Medicine, found a direct correlation
between eating trans fats and increased levels of "bad" LDL cholesterol,
which in turn can increase heart disease risk. The institute recommended
against eating any amount of the fats, finding they offered no health benefit.

Nanny state!

Yeah, people should be as unhealthy as possible, then all of the tax
payers can pay for their care.

Still, what is happening to freedom here?

I have no problem with what anybody does to themselves as long as it
doesn't burden ME. That said, who gets to pick and choose just WHAT
"freedoms"? Should one be free to rape or murder? How about arson? Okay
with that? Before you go on about those involve other people, so does
drug use, alcohol use, tobacco use, trans-fat use, and on and on.

You should have freedom to do pretty much what ever you want, as long as
the rest of us do not have to pay for your actions. Rape, murder. That is
someone else paying for your actions. Drugs? You want to use them? Your
choice. But we, as a society, are not picking up your medical or societal
costs. Your family can not afford to support you, you die.

But drug use DOES affect others. In many ways. Are you okay with
trawlers going to your favorite lake and scooping every living thing out
of it? All negative actions affect someone somehow.

Sure drugs affect others, but unless the drug addict is committing crimes
to get the drugs, they affect their close family, friends. Not society as
a whole. Illegal trawlers, etc, affect large parts of society, that is not
closely connected.

Horse****! I'd guess then, you'd have no problem with drug addicts
camped in your yard every morning? If you had a business, you'd have no
problem with drug addicts sleeping in your doorway?

They die, and don't camp anymore.

Die from what?

Drugs and exposure. Next.

Oh, bull****! I wonder why all of the addicts are still on Market St. in
SF? If what you said made any sense, they wouldn't be there, they'd be
dead from "drugs and exposure". Next.

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Horse****! I'd guess then, you'd have no problem with drug addicts
camped in your yard every morning? If you had a business, you'd have no
problem with drug addicts sleeping in your doorway?

They die, and don't camp anymore.

Die from what?

Drugs and exposure. Next.

Oh, bull****! I wonder why all of the addicts are still on Market St. in
SF? If what you said made any sense, they wouldn't be there, they'd be
dead from "drugs and exposure". Next.


We wonder why they are still there too!
Mikek

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On 11/10/13, 9:21 AM, Charlemagne wrote:

I never said anything about a Jawbone. Kevin is just a drunken idiot...


You claimed here that when you were 12, your jaw or something in your
jaw was broken. That would imply a bone.


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Religion: together we can find the cure.