Teabillies upset over government shutdown.
 

I think I read the federal governmental shutdown classifies the Bureau
of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms a nonessential service. Does that mean
no federal background checks for a while and therefore no legitimate
firearms sales?

snerk

Teabillies upset over government shutdown.
 

On 10/1/13 12:50 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 01 Oct 2013 12:42:27 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



I think I read the federal governmental shutdown classifies the Bureau
of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms a nonessential service. Does that mean
no federal background checks for a while and therefore no legitimate
firearms sales?

snerk



I assume they shut down the service on the computer although no human
intervention is actually required. I am sure the system itself is
still running .


I dunno, but it's a giggle if it is shut down temporarily.

Teabillies upset over government shutdown.
 

On Tue, 01 Oct 2013 12:50:06 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 01 Oct 2013 12:42:27 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



I think I read the federal governmental shutdown classifies the Bureau
of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms a nonessential service. Does that mean
no federal background checks for a while and therefore no legitimate
firearms sales?

snerk



I assume they shut down the service on the computer although no human
intervention is actually required. I am sure the system itself is
still running .

===

Take a look at this nonsense:

http://governmentshutdown.noaa.gov/index.html

This is what you get when you go to the boat documentation web site,
obviously planned in advance. The system could have been left up and
running but apparently orders have been given to maximize the impact.

Our government [not] at work.

Teabillies upset over government shutdown.
 

On Tue, 01 Oct 2013 12:42:27 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



I think I read the federal governmental shutdown classifies the Bureau
of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms a nonessential service. Does that mean
no federal background checks for a while and therefore no legitimate
firearms sales?

snerk



The legitimate sales are not the cause of all the problems...take Chicago, DC, New Orleans, and
Detroit, for example.
--

John H.

Hope you're having a great day!

Teabillies upset over government shutdown.
 

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...

On Tue, 01 Oct 2013 12:50:06 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 01 Oct 2013 12:42:27 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:



I think I read the federal governmental shutdown classifies the
Bureau
of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms a nonessential service. Does that
mean
no federal background checks for a while and therefore no legitimate
firearms sales?

snerk



I assume they shut down the service on the computer although no human
intervention is actually required. I am sure the system itself is
still running .

===

Take a look at this nonsense:

http://governmentshutdown.noaa.gov/index.html

This is what you get when you go to the boat documentation web site,
obviously planned in advance. The system could have been left up and
running but apparently orders have been given to maximize the impact.

Our government [not] at work.

-------------------------------

That is so blatantly obvious, it's comical.

Teabillies upset over government shutdown.
 

On 10/1/13 5:53 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...

On Tue, 01 Oct 2013 12:50:06 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 01 Oct 2013 12:42:27 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



I think I read the federal governmental shutdown classifies the Bureau
of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms a nonessential service. Does that mean
no federal background checks for a while and therefore no legitimate
firearms sales?

snerk



I assume they shut down the service on the computer although no human
intervention is actually required. I am sure the system itself is
still running .

===

Take a look at this nonsense:

http://governmentshutdown.noaa.gov/index.html

This is what you get when you go to the boat documentation web site,
obviously planned in advance. The system could have been left up and
running but apparently orders have been given to maximize the impact.

Our government [not] at work.

-------------------------------

That is so blatantly obvious, it's comical.




Awwwwwwwww.

Teabillies upset over government shutdown.
 

On Tue, 1 Oct 2013 17:53:28 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" nowayalso.jose.com
wrote:



"Wayne.B" wrote in message
.. .

On Tue, 01 Oct 2013 12:50:06 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 01 Oct 2013 12:42:27 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:



I think I read the federal governmental shutdown classifies the
Bureau
of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms a nonessential service. Does that
mean
no federal background checks for a while and therefore no legitimate
firearms sales?

snerk



I assume they shut down the service on the computer although no human
intervention is actually required. I am sure the system itself is
still running .

===

Take a look at this nonsense:

http://governmentshutdown.noaa.gov/index.html

This is what you get when you go to the boat documentation web site,
obviously planned in advance. The system could have been left up and
running but apparently orders have been given to maximize the impact.

Our government [not] at work.

-------------------------------

That is so blatantly obvious, it's comical.


===

Yes, blatantly stage managed in typical government employee fashion.
The system behind that web site is fairly simple and would have
probably stayed running for weeks if left alone.

Teabillies upset over government shutdown.
 

In article ,
says...


Yes, blatantly stage managed in typical government employee fashion.
The system behind that web site is fairly simple and would have
probably stayed running for weeks if left alone.


I don't think you know squat about this. Server electrical costs that
will be billed to the government, hosting costs and line rental fees
that will be billed to the government. Contractors who run those
websites furloughed.
Nobody around to monitor for hacks.
etc, etc.
What's your experience with government website accounts payable, or any
major website maintenance costs? Monitoring logs for hacks?
Specify all that.
Otherwise you have no credentials for your claims.
You apparently think it's all "free" because "it's the government."
How ironic.

To be clear, I think that when the government shuts down anything not
needed for the continued necessary operation of the 3 branches of
government, national security, public safety and law-enforcement
operations should be shut down entirely.
Shut down Social Security and Medicare too.
Nearly every government light should be shut off.
It's a damn shame that a government shutdown is only painful to some,
and not all. Teabagger anarchy should be fully felt by the public.
Because it's serious business, and shouldn't happen at all.

Teabillies upset over government shutdown.
 

On Tue, 1 Oct 2013 21:47:59 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article ,
says...


Yes, blatantly stage managed in typical government employee fashion.
The system behind that web site is fairly simple and would have
probably stayed running for weeks if left alone.


I don't think you know squat about this.

===

Likewise.

Teabillies upset over government shutdown.
 

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 01 Oct 2013 23:45:04 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 1 Oct 2013 21:47:59 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:


I don't think you know squat about this.

===

Likewise.

Agreed

So there are 2 lefties here who think government servers are "free," and
don't incur costs that are billed to the U.S. Government.
No taxpayer money involved.
Nice little fantasy world, I guess.
Crazy as hell, but who am I to judge?

Teabillies upset over government shutdown.
 

On Wed, 2 Oct 2013 01:16:20 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 01 Oct 2013 23:45:04 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 1 Oct 2013 21:47:59 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:


I don't think you know squat about this.

===

Likewise.

Agreed

So there are 2 lefties here who think government servers are "free," and
don't incur costs that are billed to the U.S. Government.
No taxpayer money involved.
Nice little fantasy world, I guess.
Crazy as hell, but who am I to judge?

===

Holy Moly, now I'm a lefty! Have you talked to Harry Krause about
this?

You can't just arbitrarily appoint someone a lefty. It has to be
reviewed by the kommittee.

Teabillies upset over government shutdown.
 

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 01 Oct 2013 12:42:27 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



I think I read the federal governmental shutdown classifies the Bureau
of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms a nonessential service. Does that mean
no federal background checks for a while and therefore no legitimate
firearms sales?

snerk



The legitimate sales are not the cause of all the problems...take Chicago, DC, New Orleans, and
Detroit, for example.

Cite?

Teabillies upset over government shutdown.
 

In article , says...

I think I read the federal governmental shutdown classifies the Bureau
of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms a nonessential service. Does that mean
no federal background checks for a while and therefore no legitimate
firearms sales?

snerk

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...onsidered-Non-
Essential

If the 93% of the EPA is non-essential then why are they even employed.

Teabillies upset over government shutdown.
 

In article , says...

In article ,
says...


Yes, blatantly stage managed in typical government employee fashion.
The system behind that web site is fairly simple and would have
probably stayed running for weeks if left alone.


I don't think you know squat about this. Server electrical costs that
will be billed to the government, hosting costs and line rental fees
that will be billed to the government. Contractors who run those
websites furloughed.
Nobody around to monitor for hacks.
etc, etc.
What's your experience with government website accounts payable, or any
major website maintenance costs? Monitoring logs for hacks?
Specify all that.
Otherwise you have no credentials for your claims.
You apparently think it's all "free" because "it's the government."
How ironic.

To be clear, I think that when the government shuts down anything not
needed for the continued necessary operation of the 3 branches of
government, national security, public safety and law-enforcement
operations should be shut down entirely.
Shut down Social Security and Medicare too.
Nearly every government light should be shut off.
It's a damn shame that a government shutdown is only painful to some,
and not all. Teabagger anarchy should be fully felt by the public.
Because it's serious business, and shouldn't happen at all.

How much does it cost to run the server that presents the we are shutdown page?

Teabillies upset over government shutdown.
 

On Tuesday, October 1, 2013 10:47:59 PM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,

says...





Yes, blatantly stage managed in typical government employee fashion.

The system behind that web site is fairly simple and would have

probably stayed running for weeks if left alone.





I don't think you know squat about this. Server electrical costs that
will be billed to the government, hosting costs and line rental fees
that will be billed to the government. Contractors who run those
websites furloughed.
Nobody around to monitor for hacks.
etc, etc.



The new, alternate website took money to create, electricity to host, and has to be monitored for hacks. You didn't know that?

Your argument falls apart.

Teabillies upset over government shutdown.
 

On Wed, 2 Oct 2013 06:11:17 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

Sez the guy who has a gold plated health plan paid for by US taxpayers.


===

Don, do you have a dog in this hunt?

Didn't think so.

Teabillies upset over government shutdown.
 

On Wed, 2 Oct 2013 05:36:21 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

I don't think you know squat about this. Server electrical costs that
will be billed to the government, hosting costs and line rental fees
that will be billed to the government. Contractors who run those
websites furloughed.
Nobody around to monitor for hacks.
etc, etc.



The new, alternate website took money to create, electricity to host, and has to be monitored for hacks. You didn't know that?

Your argument falls apart.

===

Yes, and you can bet that the original web site is up and running with
back door access available to USCG, US Customs and other law
enforcement agencies..

Teabillies upset over government shutdown.
 

On 10/2/2013 9:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 2 Oct 2013 05:36:21 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

I don't think you know squat about this. Server electrical costs that
will be billed to the government, hosting costs and line rental fees
that will be billed to the government. Contractors who run those
websites furloughed.
Nobody around to monitor for hacks.
etc, etc.



The new, alternate website took money to create, electricity to host, and has to be monitored for hacks. You didn't know that?

Your argument falls apart.

===

Yes, and you can bet that the original web site is up and running with
back door access available to USCG, US Customs and other law
enforcement agencies..

It's part of O's "make it hurt" campaign. He's a vindictive sumbitch
aint he?

Teabillies upset over government shutdown.
 

In article ,
says...


The new, alternate website took money to create, electricity to host, and has to be monitored for hacks. You didn't know that?

Your argument falls apart.

Wow. Now displaying a website splash page is equal to linking to
terrabytes of data servers, handling queries, doing internal/external
data retrievals, etc, etc
But I guess lefty deadbeats figure if that's the equation it takes to
make it all a "free" government entitlement, so be it.
Damn, you guys do love those freebies.
BTW, an offline server can't be hacked.
Psst, hey buddy. The government is handing out free stuff!
Getcha some!

Teabillies upset over government shutdown.
 

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 2 Oct 2013 05:36:21 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

I don't think you know squat about this. Server electrical costs that
will be billed to the government, hosting costs and line rental fees
that will be billed to the government. Contractors who run those
websites furloughed.
Nobody around to monitor for hacks.
etc, etc.



The new, alternate website took money to create, electricity to host, and has to be monitored for hacks. You didn't know that?

Your argument falls apart.

===

Yes, and you can bet that the original web site is up and running with
back door access available to USCG, US Customs and other law
enforcement agencies..

No about the argument. Yes to the back doors.
And most likely those don't even use the public DB data extracts.
You forgot the weather companies.
But what's the diff, it's all "free" gov stuff, right?

Teabillies upset over government shutdown.
 

On Wednesday, October 2, 2013 10:22:56 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,

says...





The new, alternate website took money to create, electricity to host, and has to be monitored for hacks. You didn't know that?



Your argument falls apart.



Wow. Now displaying a website splash page is equal to linking to
terrabytes of data servers, handling queries, doing internal/external
data retrievals, etc, etc
But I guess lefty deadbeats figure if that's the equation it takes to
make it all a "free" government entitlement, so be it.
Damn, you guys do love those freebies.
BTW, an offline server can't be hacked.
Psst, hey buddy. The government is handing out free stuff!
Getcha some!

None of that stuff is shut down, it's just not available to the average joe.. As Wayne points out, you can bet gov agencies and law enforcement still have access. That server with the "splash" page is sitting in the same center as the rest of the original website, unless you think they went out and created a new center to host this temporary site? The rest is still intact, because no one in their right mind would shut it down just to bring back up in a few days. That would be a huge bonehead move, as that would cost far more than the electricity to keep it up. Traffic has just been re-directed.

Oh, and what's "free"? I pay a lot of federal taxes each year for these services.

The rest of your stuff is just thrashing around with nothing to say.

Teabillies upset over government shutdown.
 

On 10/2/13 11:48 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 09:53:25 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 2 Oct 2013 05:36:21 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

I don't think you know squat about this. Server electrical costs that
will be billed to the government, hosting costs and line rental fees
that will be billed to the government. Contractors who run those
websites furloughed.
Nobody around to monitor for hacks.
etc, etc.



The new, alternate website took money to create, electricity to host, and has to be monitored for hacks. You didn't know that?

Your argument falls apart.

===

Yes, and you can bet that the original web site is up and running with
back door access available to USCG, US Customs and other law
enforcement agencies..

The weather pages are still up
http://www.srh.noaa.gov/mob/

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/?atlc



Well, I think it would be a terrific public service if you and W'hine
spend your time keeping track of all the federal government websites,
and let us know which are or are not working at a given moment.

Teabillies upset over government shutdown.
 

On 10/2/13 11:49 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 2 Oct 2013 09:22:56 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article ,
says...


The new, alternate website took money to create, electricity to host, and has to be monitored for hacks. You didn't know that?

Your argument falls apart.

Wow. Now displaying a website splash page is equal to linking to
terrabytes of data servers, handling queries, doing internal/external
data retrievals, etc, etc
But I guess lefty deadbeats figure if that's the equation it takes to
make it all a "free" government entitlement, so be it.
Damn, you guys do love those freebies.
BTW, an offline server can't be hacked.
Psst, hey buddy. The government is handing out free stuff!
Getcha some!

Bull****, they still have the server running


You should pay a personal visit to wherever you think the servers are
and give us a full report.

Teabillies upset over government shutdown.
 

On 10/2/13 12:12 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 11:50:56 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 10/2/13 11:48 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 09:53:25 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 2 Oct 2013 05:36:21 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

I don't think you know squat about this. Server electrical costs that
will be billed to the government, hosting costs and line rental fees
that will be billed to the government. Contractors who run those
websites furloughed.
Nobody around to monitor for hacks.
etc, etc.



The new, alternate website took money to create, electricity to host, and has to be monitored for hacks. You didn't know that?

Your argument falls apart.

===

Yes, and you can bet that the original web site is up and running with
back door access available to USCG, US Customs and other law
enforcement agencies..

The weather pages are still up
http://www.srh.noaa.gov/mob/

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/?atlc



Well, I think it would be a terrific public service if you and W'hine
spend your time keeping track of all the federal government websites,
and let us know which are or are not working at a given moment.

Unlike the people up north, we watch storms and prepare BEFORE they
come kick our ass.

Yeah, right. Sure. I was in SE Florida the day after Andrew, taking
photos, doing interviews, and helping in the preparation of a report
about what sorts of buildings failed and why. Not much preparation was
evident.

Teabillies upset over government shutdown.
 

On 10/2/13 12:21 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 11:52:44 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 10/2/13 11:49 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 2 Oct 2013 09:22:56 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article ,
says...


The new, alternate website took money to create, electricity to host, and has to be monitored for hacks. You didn't know that?

Your argument falls apart.

Wow. Now displaying a website splash page is equal to linking to
terrabytes of data servers, handling queries, doing internal/external
data retrievals, etc, etc
But I guess lefty deadbeats figure if that's the equation it takes to
make it all a "free" government entitlement, so be it.
Damn, you guys do love those freebies.
BTW, an offline server can't be hacked.
Psst, hey buddy. The government is handing out free stuff!
Getcha some!

Bull****, they still have the server running


You should pay a personal visit to wherever you think the servers are
and give us a full report.

BTW the "full report" from the boat board where they actually talk
about boats is that ALL of the NOAA web site is up, they just dicked
up the index page. If you know the URL of the page you want, it is
there.
BAO is full of **** as usual


Are you having problems getting weather reports from NOAA?
I'm not.

Teabillies upset over government shutdown.
 

On 10/2/13 12:33 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 12:28:48 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 10/2/13 12:12 PM, wrote:


Unlike the people up north, we watch storms and prepare BEFORE they
come kick our ass.

Yeah, right. Sure. I was in SE Florida the day after Andrew, taking
photos, doing interviews, and helping in the preparation of a report
about what sorts of buildings failed and why. Not much preparation was
evident.

bull****


I was there, courtesy of several building trades unions. Drove there
from Tallahassee.

Teabillies upset over government shutdown.
 

On 10/2/2013 12:28 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 10/2/13 12:12 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 11:50:56 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 10/2/13 11:48 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 09:53:25 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 2 Oct 2013 05:36:21 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

I don't think you know squat about this. Server electrical costs
that
will be billed to the government, hosting costs and line rental fees
that will be billed to the government. Contractors who run those
websites furloughed.
Nobody around to monitor for hacks.
etc, etc.



The new, alternate website took money to create, electricity to
host, and has to be monitored for hacks. You didn't know that?

Your argument falls apart.

===

Yes, and you can bet that the original web site is up and running with
back door access available to USCG, US Customs and other law
enforcement agencies..

The weather pages are still up
http://www.srh.noaa.gov/mob/

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/?atlc



Well, I think it would be a terrific public service if you and W'hine
spend your time keeping track of all the federal government websites,
and let us know which are or are not working at a given moment.

Unlike the people up north, we watch storms and prepare BEFORE they
come kick our ass.

Yeah, right. Sure. I was in SE Florida the day after Andrew, taking
photos, doing interviews, and helping in the preparation of a report
about what sorts of buildings failed and why. Not much preparation was
evident.

That was 20 years ago. Out of curiosity, That report you were a helper
on; did it lead to any changes of any kind that helped improve building
codes and construction methods? Or was it just another meaningless fluff
piece that ended up un the round file.

Teabillies upset over government shutdown.
 

Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Tue, 01 Oct 2013 23:45:04 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 1 Oct 2013 21:47:59 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:


I don't think you know squat about this.

===

Likewise.

Agreed

So there are 2 lefties here who think government servers are "free," and
don't incur costs that are billed to the U.S. Government.
No taxpayer money involved.
Nice little fantasy world, I guess.
Crazy as hell, but who am I to judge?

The website is up! Just not giving any service.

Teabillies upset over government shutdown.
 

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 2 Oct 2013 12:23:57 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

And they are being heard, and many, many people on both sides are
appalled at the childish behavior of their elected officials.

... on both sides.
This shut down is 99% theater.

Absolutely. I said both sides. I know this for a fact, a work related
friend of mine's wife works for the CDC as a researcher, the last time
this happened, she stayed home on furlough. When she returned, they gave
her back pay!!! THAT sounds like a vacation to me!

Teabillies upset over government shutdown.
 

In article , says...

On 10/2/13 12:12 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 11:50:56 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 10/2/13 11:48 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 09:53:25 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 2 Oct 2013 05:36:21 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

I don't think you know squat about this. Server electrical costs that
will be billed to the government, hosting costs and line rental fees
that will be billed to the government. Contractors who run those
websites furloughed.
Nobody around to monitor for hacks.
etc, etc.



The new, alternate website took money to create, electricity to host, and has to be monitored for hacks. You didn't know that?

Your argument falls apart.

===

Yes, and you can bet that the original web site is up and running with
back door access available to USCG, US Customs and other law
enforcement agencies..

The weather pages are still up
http://www.srh.noaa.gov/mob/

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/?atlc



Well, I think it would be a terrific public service if you and W'hine
spend your time keeping track of all the federal government websites,
and let us know which are or are not working at a given moment.

Unlike the people up north, we watch storms and prepare BEFORE they
come kick our ass.

Yeah, right. Sure. I was in SE Florida the day after Andrew, taking
photos, doing interviews, and helping in the preparation of a report
about what sorts of buildings failed and why. Not much preparation was
evident.

You sure didn't look for evidence of preparation then!

Teabillies upset over government shutdown.
 

On 10/2/13 1:11 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says...

On 10/2/13 12:12 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 11:50:56 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 10/2/13 11:48 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 09:53:25 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 2 Oct 2013 05:36:21 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

I don't think you know squat about this. Server electrical costs that
will be billed to the government, hosting costs and line rental fees
that will be billed to the government. Contractors who run those
websites furloughed.
Nobody around to monitor for hacks.
etc, etc.



The new, alternate website took money to create, electricity to host, and has to be monitored for hacks. You didn't know that?

Your argument falls apart.

===

Yes, and you can bet that the original web site is up and running with
back door access available to USCG, US Customs and other law
enforcement agencies..

The weather pages are still up
http://www.srh.noaa.gov/mob/

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/?atlc



Well, I think it would be a terrific public service if you and W'hine
spend your time keeping track of all the federal government websites,
and let us know which are or are not working at a given moment.

Unlike the people up north, we watch storms and prepare BEFORE they
come kick our ass.

Yeah, right. Sure. I was in SE Florida the day after Andrew, taking
photos, doing interviews, and helping in the preparation of a report
about what sorts of buildings failed and why. Not much preparation was
evident.

You sure didn't look for evidence of preparation then!



The lack of preparation was obvious. No ties or not enough ties holding
roofs to frames, CMU walls without enough tied together steel, not
enough ties holding frames to foundations, no storm shutters on windows,
huge glass areas on houses, not enough ties on tilt-up buildings, et
cetera.

Teabillies upset over government shutdown.
 

On Wednesday, October 2, 2013 1:17:18 PM UTC-4, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 10/2/13 1:11 PM, iBoaterer wrote:

In article , says...



On 10/2/13 12:12 PM, wrote:

On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 11:50:56 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



On 10/2/13 11:48 AM, wrote:

On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 09:53:25 -0400, Wayne.B

wrote:



On Wed, 2 Oct 2013 05:36:21 -0700 (PDT), wrote:



I don't think you know squat about this. Server electrical costs that

will be billed to the government, hosting costs and line rental fees

that will be billed to the government. Contractors who run those

websites furloughed.

Nobody around to monitor for hacks.

etc, etc.







The new, alternate website took money to create, electricity to host, and has to be monitored for hacks. You didn't know that?



Your argument falls apart.



===



Yes, and you can bet that the original web site is up and running with

back door access available to USCG, US Customs and other law

enforcement agencies..



The weather pages are still up

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/mob/



http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/?atlc







Well, I think it would be a terrific public service if you and W'hine

spend your time keeping track of all the federal government websites,

and let us know which are or are not working at a given moment.



Unlike the people up north, we watch storms and prepare BEFORE they

come kick our ass.



Yeah, right. Sure. I was in SE Florida the day after Andrew, taking

photos, doing interviews, and helping in the preparation of a report

about what sorts of buildings failed and why. Not much preparation was

evident.



You sure didn't look for evidence of preparation then!







The lack of preparation was obvious. No ties or not enough ties holding

roofs to frames, CMU walls without enough tied together steel, not

enough ties holding frames to foundations, no storm shutters on windows,

huge glass areas on houses, not enough ties on tilt-up buildings, et

cetera.

You don't have the education or knowledge to be able to make those statements.

Teabillies upset over government shutdown.
 

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 13:17:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:




The lack of preparation was obvious. No ties or not enough ties holding
roofs to frames, CMU walls without enough tied together steel, not
enough ties holding frames to foundations, no storm shutters on windows,
huge glass areas on houses, not enough ties on tilt-up buildings, et
cetera.

That is not "preparation" it was the corrupt Dade county building
department that was doing "drive by" inspections or simply selling
approvals. Dade county set the standards that became the coastal
building code, they just did not enforce them,. It was not true in
other parts of the state. I have a poured tie beam with two #5s in it
and truss straps bigger than current code. My house was built in 1963.

Yup, codes are okay, it's the people who's job it is to make sure those
code requirements are met. The Achilles heal in the infrastructure is
shoddy residential building and as you say, corrupt officials and lazy
inspectors. It's different in commercial and industrial construction
where the architects and engineers get sued left and right for design
that doesn't meet the current building codes and there is a problem or
event.

Teabillies upset over government shutdown.
 

In article ,
says...


I am on the NOAA site several times a week but I use direct links and
they are still working. It is harder to shut them down than to keep
them up.
You seem clueless about this web stuff.

I know more than enough about servers to know you don't have a clue
about what NOAA servers are offline due to shutdown.
Like I said, you'll need proof from NOAA IT, not your casual link
browsing.
When NOAA is fully operational again, I expect to find that info on NOAA
web servers.
When I do, I'll either apologize about being "clueless," or rub it in
your face real good.
So until then you may as well shut up about it, because as I said
before, you're the last person I'll listen to on this.
For Christ's sake, you're a teabagger!

Teabillies upset over government shutdown.
 

On 10/2/2013 2:51 PM, Boating All Out wrote:


I'm kinda fond of both results, because each has its end purpose.
The ACA vastly improves health care options for the uninsured.

You do understand that this is not health care, it's health insurance
only and most projections say the "care" won't be there.....

Teabillies upset over government shutdown.
 

iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 13:17:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:




The lack of preparation was obvious. No ties or not enough ties holding
roofs to frames, CMU walls without enough tied together steel, not
enough ties holding frames to foundations, no storm shutters on windows,
huge glass areas on houses, not enough ties on tilt-up buildings, et
cetera.

That is not "preparation" it was the corrupt Dade county building
department that was doing "drive by" inspections or simply selling
approvals. Dade county set the standards that became the coastal
building code, they just did not enforce them,. It was not true in
other parts of the state. I have a poured tie beam with two #5s in it
and truss straps bigger than current code. My house was built in 1963.

Yup, codes are okay, it's the people who's job it is to make sure those
code requirements are met. The Achilles heal in the infrastructure is
shoddy residential building and as you say, corrupt officials and lazy
inspectors. It's different in commercial and industrial construction
where the architects and engineers get sued left and right for design
that doesn't meet the current building codes and there is a problem or
event.

Why is commercial different? If the engineers and architects do their job,
and the builder shortcuts and the inspector passes that crap, you still
have a ****ty built building!

Teabillies upset over government shutdown.
 

On Wed, 2 Oct 2013 16:26:38 -0500, Boating All Out wrote:

In article ,
says...


I am on the NOAA site several times a week but I use direct links and
they are still working. It is harder to shut them down than to keep
them up.
You seem clueless about this web stuff.

I know more than enough about servers to know you don't have a clue
about what NOAA servers are offline due to shutdown.
Like I said, you'll need proof from NOAA IT, not your casual link
browsing.
When NOAA is fully operational again, I expect to find that info on NOAA
web servers.
When I do, I'll either apologize about being "clueless," or rub it in
your face real good.
So until then you may as well shut up about it, because as I said
before, you're the last person I'll listen to on this.
For Christ's sake, you're a teabagger!


You failed to point out the name calling.
--

John H.

Hope you're having a great day!

Teabillies upset over government shutdown.
 

On 10/2/2013 5:26 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...


I am on the NOAA site several times a week but I use direct links and
they are still working. It is harder to shut them down than to keep
them up.
You seem clueless about this web stuff.

I know more than enough about servers to know you don't have a clue
about what NOAA servers are offline due to shutdown.

It's not that complicated... Running these servers doesn't take much,
shutting parts down without loosing the whole system and leaving the
remaining parts functional is probably pretty much impossible ad just
would make no sense when all they have to do is put up one redirect page
and morons like you will think the world is coming to an end...

For Christ's sake, you're a teabagger!

And you are a typical progressive who only cares about himself and gets
his jollies calling others names on the net. Seems to be an across the
board for progressives, maybe it's a genetic defect?

Teabillies upset over government shutdown.
 

In article ,
says...


You failed to point out the name calling.

Here you go John.
They managed to convince BAO that the whole server was down, to the
extent that he was making excuses for them, so it worked on dumb
people.

He called me dumb. Maybe you missed it. I'm BAO.
No biggie. I'm a bit better at name calling, I think.
Just thought you might be interested. Greg usually avoids that.
Pretty sure it made me mad, because I missed something.
Greg seems to think NOAA has a "whole server."
NOAA, whole server? NOAA has dozens, if not scores of servers.
Anyway, that can wait.
So there it is, the name calling.
I know you frown upon that.
I was just kidding about you hammering his ass.
I don't need any help.
But if I need you, I can call on you, right?
Knowing that would surely ease me some.
Greg might call me a real nasty name soon.
Happens with teabaggers. Have to lose control of yourself when you
convert to one. Just part of the deal.
In the meantime, you can take care of Krause and Loogy.
Thems some real bad name-callers there, real bad.
Let me know if you need some help.
I'll be there next to you.
Then I'll decide whose side to take.
That's not always clear around here.

Teabillies upset over government shutdown.
 

On 10/2/2013 7:48 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...


You failed to point out the name calling.

Here you go John.
They managed to convince BAO that the whole server was down, to the
extent that he was making excuses for them, so it worked on dumb
people.

He called me dumb. Maybe you missed it. I'm BAO.
No biggie. I'm a bit better at name calling, I think.
Just thought you might be interested. Greg usually avoids that.
Pretty sure it made me mad, because I missed something.
Greg seems to think NOAA has a "whole server."
NOAA, whole server? NOAA has dozens, if not scores of servers.
Anyway, that can wait.
So there it is, the name calling.
I know you frown upon that.
I was just kidding about you hammering his ass.
I don't need any help.
But if I need you, I can call on you, right?
Knowing that would surely ease me some.
Greg might call me a real nasty name soon.
Happens with teabaggers. Have to lose control of yourself when you
convert to one. Just part of the deal.
In the meantime, you can take care of Krause and Loogy.
Thems some real bad name-callers there, real bad.
Let me know if you need some help.
I'll be there next to you.
Then I'll decide whose side to take.
That's not always clear around here.


No matter how nasty you get, I doubt you are going to get Greg to act
like you. He's not a progressive, he probably actually wants to talk
about the subject matter, not hide behind pretentious, and nasty
banter.... suitable for MTV at best..