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On 9/25/2013 9:15 AM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 21:15:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
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On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 17:26:44 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
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On 9/24/13 5:20 PM, wrote:


We should be starting to get a grudging respect for the way
they
held
down all of those crazy people in Eastern Europe and the
caucuses
for
all of those cold war years.

You really seem to have an affinity for tight-fisted police
states.
Is
that part of being a conservative?

When the alternative is genocide and never ending war, you bet
your
ass.
Tito was a prick but the people who rose up after the Soviets
left
were worse. Is the Ayatollah better than the Shah? (for anyone
but the
most radical muslim fundamentalists).

---------------------------

Some people are very critical of US installed or supported
"puppet"
leaders like the Shah, but there has been a long history of
interest
in attempting to control the growth and influence of religiously
motivated Islamic Fundamentalists. It worked for many years but
we
are losing that fight and ability. The Shah may have been
corrupt but
he was predictable and had some semblance of control. The
world is
certainly not safer when religious zealots take over, especially
those
who are fundamentalists in the Islam teachings and beliefs.



Remember, Harry is of the opinion that the religious zealots
causing problems in the world are
Christians.


Yeah, while hundreds of Christian churches are being burned, 100,000
displaced in Egypt... South America, etc.. The Muslim religion of
hate
and intolerance is pushing this issue....

So is the Christian religion of hate and intolerance.

-----------------------------

When was the last time a Christian beheaded someone simply because the
victim was not Christian?
When was the last time a Christian blew himself up in a crowded
marketplace, taking a few dozen non-Christians with him?
When was the last time a Christian flew airliners into buildings,
killing thousands of innocent people?
When was the last time a group of Christians declared death to all
non-Christians unless they converted?

What I said was "so is the Christian religion of hate and intolerance. I
made know mention of specifics such as beheadings.

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On 9/25/2013 3:18 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


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On 9/25/2013 9:15 AM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 21:15:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
nowayalso.jose.com wrote:



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On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 17:26:44 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

On 9/24/13 5:20 PM, wrote:


We should be starting to get a grudging respect for the way
they
held
down all of those crazy people in Eastern Europe and the
caucuses
for
all of those cold war years.

You really seem to have an affinity for tight-fisted police
states.
Is
that part of being a conservative?

When the alternative is genocide and never ending war, you bet your
ass.
Tito was a prick but the people who rose up after the Soviets left
were worse. Is the Ayatollah better than the Shah? (for anyone
but the
most radical muslim fundamentalists).

---------------------------

Some people are very critical of US installed or supported "puppet"
leaders like the Shah, but there has been a long history of
interest
in attempting to control the growth and influence of religiously
motivated Islamic Fundamentalists. It worked for many years but we
are losing that fight and ability. The Shah may have been
corrupt but
he was predictable and had some semblance of control. The
world is
certainly not safer when religious zealots take over, especially
those
who are fundamentalists in the Islam teachings and beliefs.



Remember, Harry is of the opinion that the religious zealots
causing problems in the world are
Christians.


Yeah, while hundreds of Christian churches are being burned, 100,000
displaced in Egypt... South America, etc.. The Muslim religion of hate
and intolerance is pushing this issue....

So is the Christian religion of hate and intolerance.

What a ****ing idiot.... Did some Church kid take your girlfriend away??
LOL!

Hey, Jawbone, are you saying that Christians aren't hateful and
intolerant as a religion?

A good example is right here, the Christian intolerance of other beliefs
and religions.

On 9/26/13 10:22 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 06:12:30 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 9/26/13 2:06 AM, wrote:


There are many ways self-described Christians in this country have made
life miserable for people under their jurisdiction, through banning
abortions, cutbacks in social services, cutbacks in assistance programs,
et cetera. That's how in this country Christians are the religion of
hate and intolerance.

I am calling a false equivalency here.

It is like people who conflate anyone with Hitler.


Are you planning to autograph a line of coat hangers?

Wrong guy
There are people who think abortion is a form of genocide but I am not
one of them

Again it is still a false equivalency.

Coat hangers are not gas chambers


Women who need abortions for serious health issues and can't get one
because of regulations passed by "Christian" state governors and
legislators, and who resort to shady abortionists or coat hangers might
argue that with you. A vet who commits suicide because his "Christian"
state governor or legislature decided the rich need a tax cut more than
he needs a mental health clinic might argue that with you, if he could.
A small child who is hungry because "Christian" lawmakers cut his
family's food stamps might argue that with you.

It's a matter of relativity. In some Islamic countries, the mass killing
is done by religious terrorists. In this country, the mass killing is
done by gun nuts.

On 9/26/13 10:42 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 10:37:02 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

It's a matter of relativity. In some Islamic countries, the mass killing
is done by religious terrorists. In this country, the mass killing is
done by gun nuts.

Don't let scale get in the way of a good rant ... and the mass
killings here are mostly done by muslims or atheists


You've devolved into absurdity. George W. Bush, a self-proclaimed
Christian, got more Americans killed in Iraq than the 9-11 Muslim
terrorists killed here. And, of course, his false-flag invasion of Iraq
killed more Muslims there than Muslim terrorists have killed here.

On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 10:03:08 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article , "Mr.
Luddite" says...

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On 9/25/2013 9:15 AM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 21:15:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
nowayalso.jose.com wrote:



wrote in message
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On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 17:26:44 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

On 9/24/13 5:20 PM, wrote:


We should be starting to get a grudging respect for the way
they
held
down all of those crazy people in Eastern Europe and the
caucuses
for
all of those cold war years.

You really seem to have an affinity for tight-fisted police
states.
Is
that part of being a conservative?

When the alternative is genocide and never ending war, you bet
your
ass.
Tito was a prick but the people who rose up after the Soviets
left
were worse. Is the Ayatollah better than the Shah? (for anyone
but the
most radical muslim fundamentalists).

---------------------------

Some people are very critical of US installed or supported
"puppet"
leaders like the Shah, but there has been a long history of
interest
in attempting to control the growth and influence of religiously
motivated Islamic Fundamentalists. It worked for many years but
we
are losing that fight and ability. The Shah may have been
corrupt but
he was predictable and had some semblance of control. The
world is
certainly not safer when religious zealots take over, especially
those
who are fundamentalists in the Islam teachings and beliefs.



Remember, Harry is of the opinion that the religious zealots
causing problems in the world are
Christians.


Yeah, while hundreds of Christian churches are being burned, 100,000
displaced in Egypt... South America, etc.. The Muslim religion of
hate
and intolerance is pushing this issue....

So is the Christian religion of hate and intolerance.

-----------------------------

When was the last time a Christian beheaded someone simply because the
victim was not Christian?
When was the last time a Christian blew himself up in a crowded
marketplace, taking a few dozen non-Christians with him?
When was the last time a Christian flew airliners into buildings,
killing thousands of innocent people?
When was the last time a group of Christians declared death to all
non-Christians unless they converted?

What I said was "so is the Christian religion of hate and intolerance. I
made know mention of specifics such as beheadings.

Well, what are your Christian examples of hate and intolerance that compare to the Muslim examples
provided by Luddite?
--

John H.

Hope you're having a great day!

On 9/26/2013 12:30 PM, John H wrote:
On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 10:03:08 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article , "Mr.
Luddite" says...

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On 9/25/2013 9:15 AM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 21:15:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
nowayalso.jose.com wrote:



wrote in message
...

On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 17:26:44 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

On 9/24/13 5:20 PM, wrote:


We should be starting to get a grudging respect for the way
they
held
down all of those crazy people in Eastern Europe and the
caucuses
for
all of those cold war years.

You really seem to have an affinity for tight-fisted police
states.
Is
that part of being a conservative?

When the alternative is genocide and never ending war, you bet
your
ass.
Tito was a prick but the people who rose up after the Soviets
left
were worse. Is the Ayatollah better than the Shah? (for anyone
but the
most radical muslim fundamentalists).

---------------------------

Some people are very critical of US installed or supported
"puppet"
leaders like the Shah, but there has been a long history of
interest
in attempting to control the growth and influence of religiously
motivated Islamic Fundamentalists. It worked for many years but
we
are losing that fight and ability. The Shah may have been
corrupt but
he was predictable and had some semblance of control. The
world is
certainly not safer when religious zealots take over, especially
those
who are fundamentalists in the Islam teachings and beliefs.



Remember, Harry is of the opinion that the religious zealots
causing problems in the world are
Christians.


Yeah, while hundreds of Christian churches are being burned, 100,000
displaced in Egypt... South America, etc.. The Muslim religion of
hate
and intolerance is pushing this issue....

So is the Christian religion of hate and intolerance.

-----------------------------

When was the last time a Christian beheaded someone simply because the
victim was not Christian?
When was the last time a Christian blew himself up in a crowded
marketplace, taking a few dozen non-Christians with him?
When was the last time a Christian flew airliners into buildings,
killing thousands of innocent people?
When was the last time a group of Christians declared death to all
non-Christians unless they converted?

What I said was "so is the Christian religion of hate and intolerance. I
made know mention of specifics such as beheadings.

Well, what are your Christian examples of hate and intolerance that compare to the Muslim examples
provided by Luddite?


He just said that because he is in the party of Hate and Intolerance,
just like the "war on women", it's a distraction from their own bad
behavior... No tolerance, no moral core is why they can vote lock step
and never once consider their constituents.

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says...

On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 10:03:08 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article , "Mr.
Luddite" says...

"iBoaterer" wrote in message
...

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On 9/25/2013 9:15 AM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 21:15:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
nowayalso.jose.com wrote:



wrote in message
...

On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 17:26:44 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

On 9/24/13 5:20 PM, wrote:


We should be starting to get a grudging respect for the way
they
held
down all of those crazy people in Eastern Europe and the
caucuses
for
all of those cold war years.

You really seem to have an affinity for tight-fisted police
states.
Is
that part of being a conservative?

When the alternative is genocide and never ending war, you bet
your
ass.
Tito was a prick but the people who rose up after the Soviets
left
were worse. Is the Ayatollah better than the Shah? (for anyone
but the
most radical muslim fundamentalists).

---------------------------

Some people are very critical of US installed or supported
"puppet"
leaders like the Shah, but there has been a long history of
interest
in attempting to control the growth and influence of religiously
motivated Islamic Fundamentalists. It worked for many years but
we
are losing that fight and ability. The Shah may have been
corrupt but
he was predictable and had some semblance of control. The
world is
certainly not safer when religious zealots take over, especially
those
who are fundamentalists in the Islam teachings and beliefs.



Remember, Harry is of the opinion that the religious zealots
causing problems in the world are
Christians.


Yeah, while hundreds of Christian churches are being burned, 100,000
displaced in Egypt... South America, etc.. The Muslim religion of
hate
and intolerance is pushing this issue....

So is the Christian religion of hate and intolerance.

-----------------------------

When was the last time a Christian beheaded someone simply because the
victim was not Christian?
When was the last time a Christian blew himself up in a crowded
marketplace, taking a few dozen non-Christians with him?
When was the last time a Christian flew airliners into buildings,
killing thousands of innocent people?
When was the last time a group of Christians declared death to all
non-Christians unless they converted?

What I said was "so is the Christian religion of hate and intolerance. I
made know mention of specifics such as beheadings.

Well, what are your Christian examples of hate and intolerance that compare to the Muslim examples
provided by Luddite?

Psssst, moron!! I said that before Luddite's post so it has nothing in
common. But, if you must ask.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/cr_ident.htm

http://www.religioustolerance.org/relviol.htm

In article ,
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On 9/26/2013 12:30 PM, John H wrote:
On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 10:03:08 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article , "Mr.
Luddite" says...

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On 9/25/2013 9:15 AM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 21:15:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
nowayalso.jose.com wrote:



wrote in message
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On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 17:26:44 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

On 9/24/13 5:20 PM, wrote:


We should be starting to get a grudging respect for the way
they
held
down all of those crazy people in Eastern Europe and the
caucuses
for
all of those cold war years.

You really seem to have an affinity for tight-fisted police
states.
Is
that part of being a conservative?

When the alternative is genocide and never ending war, you bet
your
ass.
Tito was a prick but the people who rose up after the Soviets
left
were worse. Is the Ayatollah better than the Shah? (for anyone
but the
most radical muslim fundamentalists).

---------------------------

Some people are very critical of US installed or supported
"puppet"
leaders like the Shah, but there has been a long history of
interest
in attempting to control the growth and influence of religiously
motivated Islamic Fundamentalists. It worked for many years but
we
are losing that fight and ability. The Shah may have been
corrupt but
he was predictable and had some semblance of control. The
world is
certainly not safer when religious zealots take over, especially
those
who are fundamentalists in the Islam teachings and beliefs.



Remember, Harry is of the opinion that the religious zealots
causing problems in the world are
Christians.


Yeah, while hundreds of Christian churches are being burned, 100,000
displaced in Egypt... South America, etc.. The Muslim religion of
hate
and intolerance is pushing this issue....

So is the Christian religion of hate and intolerance.

-----------------------------

When was the last time a Christian beheaded someone simply because the
victim was not Christian?
When was the last time a Christian blew himself up in a crowded
marketplace, taking a few dozen non-Christians with him?
When was the last time a Christian flew airliners into buildings,
killing thousands of innocent people?
When was the last time a group of Christians declared death to all
non-Christians unless they converted?

What I said was "so is the Christian religion of hate and intolerance. I
made know mention of specifics such as beheadings.

Well, what are your Christian examples of hate and intolerance that compare to the Muslim examples
provided by Luddite?


He just said that because he is in the party of Hate and Intolerance,
just like the "war on women", it's a distraction from their own bad
behavior... No tolerance, no moral core is why they can vote lock step
and never once consider their constituents.

I'm not in any party, dip****.

On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 15:00:28 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 10:03:08 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article , "Mr.
Luddite" says...

"iBoaterer" wrote in message
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On 9/25/2013 9:15 AM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 21:15:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
nowayalso.jose.com wrote:



wrote in message
...

On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 17:26:44 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

On 9/24/13 5:20 PM, wrote:


We should be starting to get a grudging respect for the way
they
held
down all of those crazy people in Eastern Europe and the
caucuses
for
all of those cold war years.

You really seem to have an affinity for tight-fisted police
states.
Is
that part of being a conservative?

When the alternative is genocide and never ending war, you bet
your
ass.
Tito was a prick but the people who rose up after the Soviets
left
were worse. Is the Ayatollah better than the Shah? (for anyone
but the
most radical muslim fundamentalists).

---------------------------

Some people are very critical of US installed or supported
"puppet"
leaders like the Shah, but there has been a long history of
interest
in attempting to control the growth and influence of religiously
motivated Islamic Fundamentalists. It worked for many years but
we
are losing that fight and ability. The Shah may have been
corrupt but
he was predictable and had some semblance of control. The
world is
certainly not safer when religious zealots take over, especially
those
who are fundamentalists in the Islam teachings and beliefs.



Remember, Harry is of the opinion that the religious zealots
causing problems in the world are
Christians.


Yeah, while hundreds of Christian churches are being burned, 100,000
displaced in Egypt... South America, etc.. The Muslim religion of
hate
and intolerance is pushing this issue....

So is the Christian religion of hate and intolerance.

-----------------------------

When was the last time a Christian beheaded someone simply because the
victim was not Christian?
When was the last time a Christian blew himself up in a crowded
marketplace, taking a few dozen non-Christians with him?
When was the last time a Christian flew airliners into buildings,
killing thousands of innocent people?
When was the last time a group of Christians declared death to all
non-Christians unless they converted?

What I said was "so is the Christian religion of hate and intolerance. I
made know mention of specifics such as beheadings.

Well, what are your Christian examples of hate and intolerance that compare to the Muslim examples
provided by Luddite?

Psssst, moron!! I said that before Luddite's post so it has nothing in
common. But, if you must ask.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/cr_ident.htm

http://www.religioustolerance.org/relviol.htm

Greg, et al, are correct....you don't read what you post as your 'proof'.

From your cite:

The religiously motivated bombings and attacks by terrorist Muslim groups are too numerous to be
listed. Among the attacks with major loss of life a

Continuing intermittently to the present time: Rockets indiscriminately launched against civilian
targets in Israel.
2008: Mumbai (Bombay) terrorist attack (Three days; over 172 killed, over 307 injured).
2005: Delhi bombing (over 60 killed, over 180 injured).
2005: Sharm el-Sheikh bombing (64 killed).
2005: London Underground bombing (53 killed, nearly 700 injured).
2004: Beslan school occupation by Chechens (344 civilians killed, incl. 186 children).
2004: Madrid train bombing (191 killed, 1,460 injured).
2002: Bali nightclub bombing (202 killed, 300 injured).
2001: World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks (nearly 3,000 dead).
1998: U.S. Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania bombings (225 dead, over 400 injured).
1988: Lockerbie crash (killed 259 aboard the plane, 11 on the ground).
1983: U.S. Embassy in Beirut bombing (63 killed).
1983: Beirut U.S. military barracks suicide bombing (241 killed).
1983: Beirut French military barrack suicide bombing (58 killed).

Terrorist attacks also occur within predominately Islamic countries -- generally between the Sunni
and the Shia traditions of Islam, most often in Iraq and Pakistan.

Here, this will help:

http://tinyurl.com/o42at
--

John H.

Hope you're having a great day!

On 9/26/13 2:47 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 11:01:15 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 9/26/13 10:42 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 10:37:02 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

It's a matter of relativity. In some Islamic countries, the mass killing
is done by religious terrorists. In this country, the mass killing is
done by gun nuts.

Don't let scale get in the way of a good rant ... and the mass
killings here are mostly done by muslims or atheists


You've devolved into absurdity. George W. Bush, a self-proclaimed
Christian, got more Americans killed in Iraq than the 9-11 Muslim
terrorists killed here. And, of course, his false-flag invasion of Iraq
killed more Muslims there than Muslim terrorists have killed here.

You are just flailing in the air now.

Do you really want to talk about war?

How many Koreans did Truman kill?
How many Japanese in the only nuke attack ever?
LBJ in Vietnam?
Clinton during the bombardment of Iraq?
Bosnia?


You were discussing "here," meaning, I assumed, in the present time, in
relation to the 9/11 terrorism and what happened after it, in the
Muslim terrorist death count against us...and I brought up what we did
to "us" and to them.,

Perfectly relevant.