On 9/29/2013 11:01 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 09:54:20 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 09:23:15 -0400, Hank© wrote:

On 9/29/2013 8:38 AM, John H wrote:
On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 18:34:30 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

What I go with??
I've bought a SUV type tent on a whim. Costco had the Napier brand on sale in July.

Let us know how it works, especially in the rain.


Donny always buys stuff that doesn't quite measure up to his needs. Fer
instance. Would you use a device that produces high heat and flames to
heat a highly flammable enclosure while you sleep? An enclosure that
could drip molten material on your skin if it burned.
And a boat that isn't quite big enough to handle normal sea and wind
conditions in his native land. His Wife told him that 2 more feet might
do the trick, but Donny cheaps out and buys something not quite big
enough. Will he ever learn?

Nah, he had to settle for what he got. Just like I did.

I *needed* one of these:
http://motorhome.prevostcar.com/site...14_9629ext.jpg

But had to settle for this:
http://i1.rvusa.com/wm/showimagerv.ashx?id=14602430&t=4

If you had a million 3 laying around, you could get one of these

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Bobs%20RV.jpg


Too tall. I had to sneak under a 12' 9" bridge. Doubt the Prevost could
do that.

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On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 12:22:17 -0400, John H
wrote:


If you go to a campground, you've usually got the choice of a 'tent' site (no amenities) or an RV
site which would have electricity, water, and sewage (about half the time). You'd never need sewage
with a tent, but water and electricity are nice to have on cold and hot days. A little office heater
will do you nicely in a big tent. We never had an electric heater while tenting, even in Europe with
snow on the tent. The lantern gets it warm, and sleeping bags keep you warm.

Here's a nice place. Charges $5 more for water and electricity (well worth it). Even has a launch
ramp to the ocean, so you could take the boat.

http://www.waysidecampground.com/Home_Page.php

If we ever drag the 5er to Nova Scotia, we'd stay there.

The last time I was "camping" I was actually sleeping in my truck and
they put me at an unimproved site right next to the three with power
that my buddies had turned into a bedouin resort.
I ran a cord over to run my fan and a light

One time in Montana, on a hike I camped next to a sheepherder with his
mule drawn wagon. Great night talking to him over the campfire! I've not
had that type of experience at city hotels.



Last time I was in Banff at Lake Louise, we roughed it by camping at:

http://www.fairmont.com/lake-louise/

It had a different name back then, but it was a pretty decent place to
camp. They delivered seared Atlantic salmon and shrimp to our RV room.

Too bad you'll never experience real camping, meeting people like I
have.

I have experienced real camping.

Doubtful by the way you put it and those who enjoy it down. It does take
a special type of person, one who isn't afraid of a little inconvenience
to be able to discover fascinating places, flora and fauna. And trust
me, no one out camping wants someone at their campsite whining and
moaning about not having a heated toilet seat.


A few years ago, I "camped" for four days and nights with a few buddies
out on the banks of the Shenandoah. Slept in a boy scout pup tent in a
sleeping bag. Pooped in a latrine. Cooked over wood fires. We did bring
water and keep perishable food in a couple of Igloo coolers. Rained one
night, but stayed reasonably dry because of the plastic tarp I brought
to plop over the tent. Saw lots of critters, flora, hiked all over the
place. Shot lots of empty sodapop cans. Fished, canoed, got a few bug bites.

I'd call that real camping.

Yeah, right......

On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 11:30:31 -0400, Hank© wrote:

On 9/29/2013 11:01 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 09:54:20 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 09:23:15 -0400, Hank© wrote:

On 9/29/2013 8:38 AM, John H wrote:
On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 18:34:30 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

What I go with??
I've bought a SUV type tent on a whim. Costco had the Napier brand on sale in July.

Let us know how it works, especially in the rain.


Donny always buys stuff that doesn't quite measure up to his needs. Fer
instance. Would you use a device that produces high heat and flames to
heat a highly flammable enclosure while you sleep? An enclosure that
could drip molten material on your skin if it burned.
And a boat that isn't quite big enough to handle normal sea and wind
conditions in his native land. His Wife told him that 2 more feet might
do the trick, but Donny cheaps out and buys something not quite big
enough. Will he ever learn?

Nah, he had to settle for what he got. Just like I did.

I *needed* one of these:
http://motorhome.prevostcar.com/site...14_9629ext.jpg

But had to settle for this:
http://i1.rvusa.com/wm/showimagerv.ashx?id=14602430&t=4

If you had a million 3 laying around, you could get one of these

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Bobs%20RV.jpg


Too tall. I had to sneak under a 12' 9" bridge. Doubt the Prevost could
do that.

I'd be going under it damn slowly, with my wife watching the whole time.
--

John H.

Hope you're having a great day!

On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 11:36:26 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

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On 9/29/13 10:06 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
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On 9/28/13 3:25 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
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On 9/28/13 2:05 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
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On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 12:22:17 -0400, John H
wrote:


If you go to a campground, you've usually got the choice of a 'tent' site (no amenities) or an RV
site which would have electricity, water, and sewage (about half the time). You'd never need sewage
with a tent, but water and electricity are nice to have on cold and hot days. A little office heater
will do you nicely in a big tent. We never had an electric heater while tenting, even in Europe with
snow on the tent. The lantern gets it warm, and sleeping bags keep you warm.

Here's a nice place. Charges $5 more for water and electricity (well worth it). Even has a launch
ramp to the ocean, so you could take the boat.

http://www.waysidecampground.com/Home_Page.php

If we ever drag the 5er to Nova Scotia, we'd stay there.

The last time I was "camping" I was actually sleeping in my truck and
they put me at an unimproved site right next to the three with power
that my buddies had turned into a bedouin resort.
I ran a cord over to run my fan and a light

One time in Montana, on a hike I camped next to a sheepherder with his
mule drawn wagon. Great night talking to him over the campfire! I've not
had that type of experience at city hotels.



Last time I was in Banff at Lake Louise, we roughed it by camping at:

http://www.fairmont.com/lake-louise/

It had a different name back then, but it was a pretty decent place to
camp. They delivered seared Atlantic salmon and shrimp to our RV room.

Too bad you'll never experience real camping, meeting people like I
have.

I have experienced real camping.

Doubtful by the way you put it and those who enjoy it down. It does take
a special type of person, one who isn't afraid of a little inconvenience
to be able to discover fascinating places, flora and fauna. And trust
me, no one out camping wants someone at their campsite whining and
moaning about not having a heated toilet seat.


A few years ago, I "camped" for four days and nights with a few buddies
out on the banks of the Shenandoah. Slept in a boy scout pup tent in a
sleeping bag. Pooped in a latrine. Cooked over wood fires. We did bring
water and keep perishable food in a couple of Igloo coolers. Rained one
night, but stayed reasonably dry because of the plastic tarp I brought
to plop over the tent. Saw lots of critters, flora, hiked all over the
place. Shot lots of empty sodapop cans. Fished, canoed, got a few bug bites.

I'd call that real camping.

Yeah, right......

It's nice to see you being agreeable for a change.
--

John H.

Hope you're having a great day!

On 9/29/2013 12:22 PM, John H wrote:
On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 11:30:31 -0400, Hank© wrote:

On 9/29/2013 11:01 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 09:54:20 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 09:23:15 -0400, Hank© wrote:

On 9/29/2013 8:38 AM, John H wrote:
On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 18:34:30 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

What I go with??
I've bought a SUV type tent on a whim. Costco had the Napier brand on sale in July.

Let us know how it works, especially in the rain.


Donny always buys stuff that doesn't quite measure up to his needs. Fer
instance. Would you use a device that produces high heat and flames to
heat a highly flammable enclosure while you sleep? An enclosure that
could drip molten material on your skin if it burned.
And a boat that isn't quite big enough to handle normal sea and wind
conditions in his native land. His Wife told him that 2 more feet might
do the trick, but Donny cheaps out and buys something not quite big
enough. Will he ever learn?

Nah, he had to settle for what he got. Just like I did.

I *needed* one of these:
http://motorhome.prevostcar.com/site...14_9629ext.jpg

But had to settle for this:
http://i1.rvusa.com/wm/showimagerv.ashx?id=14602430&t=4

If you had a million 3 laying around, you could get one of these

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Bobs%20RV.jpg


Too tall. I had to sneak under a 12' 9" bridge. Doubt the Prevost could
do that.

I'd be going under it damn slowly, with my wife watching the whole time.


I knew it was mighty low but I didn't see how low till we passed the
spot in the car. The sign was hidden by bushes. When we left the area, I
drove 10 miles out of the way to avoid that trestle. All I had to worry
about was low wires. After that, I paid closer attention to my trucker's
atlas. I'll never rely on the Garmin trucker GPS for off highway routing
again.

On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 13:26:25 -0400, Hank© wrote:

On 9/29/2013 12:22 PM, John H wrote:
On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 11:30:31 -0400, Hank© wrote:

On 9/29/2013 11:01 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 09:54:20 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 09:23:15 -0400, Hank© wrote:

On 9/29/2013 8:38 AM, John H wrote:
On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 18:34:30 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

What I go with??
I've bought a SUV type tent on a whim. Costco had the Napier brand on sale in July.

Let us know how it works, especially in the rain.


Donny always buys stuff that doesn't quite measure up to his needs. Fer
instance. Would you use a device that produces high heat and flames to
heat a highly flammable enclosure while you sleep? An enclosure that
could drip molten material on your skin if it burned.
And a boat that isn't quite big enough to handle normal sea and wind
conditions in his native land. His Wife told him that 2 more feet might
do the trick, but Donny cheaps out and buys something not quite big
enough. Will he ever learn?

Nah, he had to settle for what he got. Just like I did.

I *needed* one of these:
http://motorhome.prevostcar.com/site...14_9629ext.jpg

But had to settle for this:
http://i1.rvusa.com/wm/showimagerv.ashx?id=14602430&t=4

If you had a million 3 laying around, you could get one of these

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Bobs%20RV.jpg


Too tall. I had to sneak under a 12' 9" bridge. Doubt the Prevost could
do that.

I'd be going under it damn slowly, with my wife watching the whole time.


I knew it was mighty low but I didn't see how low till we passed the
spot in the car. The sign was hidden by bushes. When we left the area, I
drove 10 miles out of the way to avoid that trestle. All I had to worry
about was low wires. After that, I paid closer attention to my trucker's
atlas. I'll never rely on the Garmin trucker GPS for off highway routing
again.

Who makes the truckers atlas you like?
--

John H.

Hope you're having a great day!

On 9/29/2013 2:24 PM, John H wrote:
On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 13:26:25 -0400, Hank© wrote:

On 9/29/2013 12:22 PM, John H wrote:
On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 11:30:31 -0400, Hank© wrote:

On 9/29/2013 11:01 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 09:54:20 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 09:23:15 -0400, Hank© wrote:

On 9/29/2013 8:38 AM, John H wrote:
On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 18:34:30 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

What I go with??
I've bought a SUV type tent on a whim. Costco had the Napier brand on sale in July.

Let us know how it works, especially in the rain.


Donny always buys stuff that doesn't quite measure up to his needs. Fer
instance. Would you use a device that produces high heat and flames to
heat a highly flammable enclosure while you sleep? An enclosure that
could drip molten material on your skin if it burned.
And a boat that isn't quite big enough to handle normal sea and wind
conditions in his native land. His Wife told him that 2 more feet might
do the trick, but Donny cheaps out and buys something not quite big
enough. Will he ever learn?

Nah, he had to settle for what he got. Just like I did.

I *needed* one of these:
http://motorhome.prevostcar.com/site...14_9629ext.jpg

But had to settle for this:
http://i1.rvusa.com/wm/showimagerv.ashx?id=14602430&t=4

If you had a million 3 laying around, you could get one of these

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Bobs%20RV.jpg


Too tall. I had to sneak under a 12' 9" bridge. Doubt the Prevost could
do that.

I'd be going under it damn slowly, with my wife watching the whole time.


I knew it was mighty low but I didn't see how low till we passed the
spot in the car. The sign was hidden by bushes. When we left the area, I
drove 10 miles out of the way to avoid that trestle. All I had to worry
about was low wires. After that, I paid closer attention to my trucker's
atlas. I'll never rely on the Garmin trucker GPS for off highway routing
again.

Who makes the truckers atlas you like?

I wouldn't say I like it but it does seem to have accurate information.
I need to use a magnifying glass to see everything.
Rand and Mc'naly makes it. I got the one with laminated pages. About $50.

On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 15:40:11 -0400, Hank© wrote:

On 9/29/2013 2:24 PM, John H wrote:
On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 13:26:25 -0400, Hank© wrote:

On 9/29/2013 12:22 PM, John H wrote:
On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 11:30:31 -0400, Hank© wrote:

On 9/29/2013 11:01 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 09:54:20 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 09:23:15 -0400, Hank© wrote:

On 9/29/2013 8:38 AM, John H wrote:
On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 18:34:30 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

What I go with??
I've bought a SUV type tent on a whim. Costco had the Napier brand on sale in July.

Let us know how it works, especially in the rain.


Donny always buys stuff that doesn't quite measure up to his needs. Fer
instance. Would you use a device that produces high heat and flames to
heat a highly flammable enclosure while you sleep? An enclosure that
could drip molten material on your skin if it burned.
And a boat that isn't quite big enough to handle normal sea and wind
conditions in his native land. His Wife told him that 2 more feet might
do the trick, but Donny cheaps out and buys something not quite big
enough. Will he ever learn?

Nah, he had to settle for what he got. Just like I did.

I *needed* one of these:
http://motorhome.prevostcar.com/site...14_9629ext.jpg

But had to settle for this:
http://i1.rvusa.com/wm/showimagerv.ashx?id=14602430&t=4

If you had a million 3 laying around, you could get one of these

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Bobs%20RV.jpg


Too tall. I had to sneak under a 12' 9" bridge. Doubt the Prevost could
do that.

I'd be going under it damn slowly, with my wife watching the whole time.


I knew it was mighty low but I didn't see how low till we passed the
spot in the car. The sign was hidden by bushes. When we left the area, I
drove 10 miles out of the way to avoid that trestle. All I had to worry
about was low wires. After that, I paid closer attention to my trucker's
atlas. I'll never rely on the Garmin trucker GPS for off highway routing
again.

Who makes the truckers atlas you like?

I wouldn't say I like it but it does seem to have accurate information.
I need to use a magnifying glass to see everything.
Rand and Mc'naly makes it. I got the one with laminated pages. About $50.

I've kept a magnifying glass in my desk drawer for years. Only been the past year or so that I've
had to drag it out. I suppose it's just cheaper to print stuff really, really small. Probably saves
'em a lot of ink money, not to mention paper, trees, forests, global warming, etc., etc.
--

John H.

Hope you're having a great day!

On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 15:40:11 -0400, Hank© wrote:

On 9/29/2013 2:24 PM, John H wrote:
On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 13:26:25 -0400, Hank© wrote:

On 9/29/2013 12:22 PM, John H wrote:
On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 11:30:31 -0400, Hank© wrote:

On 9/29/2013 11:01 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 09:54:20 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 09:23:15 -0400, Hank© wrote:

On 9/29/2013 8:38 AM, John H wrote:
On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 18:34:30 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

What I go with??
I've bought a SUV type tent on a whim. Costco had the Napier brand on sale in July.

Let us know how it works, especially in the rain.


Donny always buys stuff that doesn't quite measure up to his needs. Fer
instance. Would you use a device that produces high heat and flames to
heat a highly flammable enclosure while you sleep? An enclosure that
could drip molten material on your skin if it burned.
And a boat that isn't quite big enough to handle normal sea and wind
conditions in his native land. His Wife told him that 2 more feet might
do the trick, but Donny cheaps out and buys something not quite big
enough. Will he ever learn?

Nah, he had to settle for what he got. Just like I did.

I *needed* one of these:
http://motorhome.prevostcar.com/site...14_9629ext.jpg

But had to settle for this:
http://i1.rvusa.com/wm/showimagerv.ashx?id=14602430&t=4

If you had a million 3 laying around, you could get one of these

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Bobs%20RV.jpg


Too tall. I had to sneak under a 12' 9" bridge. Doubt the Prevost could
do that.

I'd be going under it damn slowly, with my wife watching the whole time.


I knew it was mighty low but I didn't see how low till we passed the
spot in the car. The sign was hidden by bushes. When we left the area, I
drove 10 miles out of the way to avoid that trestle. All I had to worry
about was low wires. After that, I paid closer attention to my trucker's
atlas. I'll never rely on the Garmin trucker GPS for off highway routing
again.

Who makes the truckers atlas you like?

I wouldn't say I like it but it does seem to have accurate information.
I need to use a magnifying glass to see everything.
Rand and Mc'naly makes it. I got the one with laminated pages. About $50.

Does this review from Amazon describe it? I was hoping for detail *off* the major highways.

"I planned on using this atlas for traveling in my motorhome mainly because of the laminated pages.
However I was very disappointed in the lack of detail on the maps. They show the main routes but are
not much use for off of the main routes plus the print is quite small. It might be good for truckers
but if you need an atlas for recreational travel, this is not your best choice. "
--

John H.

Hope you're having a great day!

On 9/29/2013 4:10 PM, John H wrote:
On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 15:40:11 -0400, Hank© wrote:

On 9/29/2013 2:24 PM, John H wrote:
On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 13:26:25 -0400, Hank© wrote:

On 9/29/2013 12:22 PM, John H wrote:
On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 11:30:31 -0400, Hank© wrote:

On 9/29/2013 11:01 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 09:54:20 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 09:23:15 -0400, Hank© wrote:

On 9/29/2013 8:38 AM, John H wrote:
On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 18:34:30 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

What I go with??
I've bought a SUV type tent on a whim. Costco had the Napier brand on sale in July.

Let us know how it works, especially in the rain.


Donny always buys stuff that doesn't quite measure up to his needs. Fer
instance. Would you use a device that produces high heat and flames to
heat a highly flammable enclosure while you sleep? An enclosure that
could drip molten material on your skin if it burned.
And a boat that isn't quite big enough to handle normal sea and wind
conditions in his native land. His Wife told him that 2 more feet might
do the trick, but Donny cheaps out and buys something not quite big
enough. Will he ever learn?

Nah, he had to settle for what he got. Just like I did.

I *needed* one of these:
http://motorhome.prevostcar.com/site...14_9629ext.jpg

But had to settle for this:
http://i1.rvusa.com/wm/showimagerv.ashx?id=14602430&t=4

If you had a million 3 laying around, you could get one of these

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Bobs%20RV.jpg


Too tall. I had to sneak under a 12' 9" bridge. Doubt the Prevost could
do that.

I'd be going under it damn slowly, with my wife watching the whole time.


I knew it was mighty low but I didn't see how low till we passed the
spot in the car. The sign was hidden by bushes. When we left the area, I
drove 10 miles out of the way to avoid that trestle. All I had to worry
about was low wires. After that, I paid closer attention to my trucker's
atlas. I'll never rely on the Garmin trucker GPS for off highway routing
again.

Who makes the truckers atlas you like?

I wouldn't say I like it but it does seem to have accurate information.
I need to use a magnifying glass to see everything.
Rand and Mc'naly makes it. I got the one with laminated pages. About $50.

Does this review from Amazon describe it? I was hoping for detail *off* the major highways.

"I planned on using this atlas for traveling in my motorhome mainly because of the laminated pages.
However I was very disappointed in the lack of detail on the maps. They show the main routes but are
not much use for off of the main routes plus the print is quite small. It might be good for truckers
but if you need an atlas for recreational travel, this is not your best choice. "


Well, I don't know what the best choice is, but The info on that rr
tresle was in there. You just need to spend some time with it to get the
info you are looking for. If you wanted all the detail shown on the
maps, the book would be 12 inches thick. Let me know if you find
something better; Ill buy it.