On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 23:34:33 -0400, wrote:

Nobody ever explained to me why saying Jewish people were good
businessmen was a slur.

I bet the Jewish guys were laughing the hardest.

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It has become politically and culturally incorrect to make
generalizations about any group of people even if there is strong
statistical evidence to back up the assertion.

Of course as we have seen, there are exceptions to every rule.

On 9/19/13 9:07 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 23:34:33 -0400, wrote:

Nobody ever explained to me why saying Jewish people were good
businessmen was a slur.

I bet the Jewish guys were laughing the hardest.

===

It has become politically and culturally incorrect to make
generalizations about any group of people even if there is strong
statistical evidence to back up the assertion.

Of course as we have seen, there are exceptions to every rule.



So, Gregg, do you think "Jewish people" are good businesspeople because
there is something inherent in the Jewish religion that genetically
encodes them to be that way, even though religion is cultural?

My liberal arts education taught me that in many parts of Europe for
hundreds of years Jews for the most part were not allowed to own real
property or go into the learned professions because of rampant
anti-Semitism and, as a result, lots of Jews became shopkeepers and
various other kinds of businessmen and women and artists. In this
country, for the longest time, Jews were for the most part were not
allowed to into the professions or into the upper levels of blue chip
corporations or into country clubs or into many of the most prestigious
universities.

In the late 1940's, Laura Hobson wrote a novel that was made into a
movie starring Gregory Peck..."Gentleman's Agreement." It tells the
story of anti-Semitism in this country and how Jews were kept out of
many businesses and social organizations.

If you understood any of this, perhaps you might understand why your
characterization might be considered a slur, the same sort of slur that
says black people have "rhythm."

I remember a sociology class in college (one of those many liberal art
courses) in which a fellow student said that if Jews hated Christians
the way Christians hated Jews, Doctors Salk and Sabin would have figured
out a way to withhold their anti-polio vaccine from Gentiles. But, of
course, Salk and Sabin didn't do that. Good businessman that Salk was
(Jewish, you know), he didn't patent his vaccine.

Gotta love rec.boats.

On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 10:26:35 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

I remember a sociology class in college (one of those many liberal art
courses) in which a fellow student said that if Jews hated Christians
the way Christians hated Jews, Doctors Salk and Sabin would have figured
out a way to withhold their anti-polio vaccine from Gentiles. But, of
course, Salk and Sabin didn't do that. Good businessman that Salk was
(Jewish, you know), he didn't patent his vaccine.

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Saying that Christians hate Jews is just as much of a sterotype as
saying that all Jews are good business people, and just as offensive
if not more so.

On 9/19/13 1:55 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 10:26:35 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

I remember a sociology class in college (one of those many liberal art
courses) in which a fellow student said that if Jews hated Christians
the way Christians hated Jews, Doctors Salk and Sabin would have figured
out a way to withhold their anti-polio vaccine from Gentiles. But, of
course, Salk and Sabin didn't do that. Good businessman that Salk was
(Jewish, you know), he didn't patent his vaccine.

===

Saying that Christians hate Jews is just as much of a sterotype as
saying that all Jews are good business people, and just as offensive
if not more so.


Yes, well, I was discussing a period in the United States in the 1950s
and early 1960s, when there was plenty of overt discrimination against
Jews in the United States. Your boy Nixon was a raving anti-Semite. And
those Christian Southern Strategy Republicans? Ever hear a meeting of
them talking about blacks and Jews? I have.

And there is plenty of historical data indicating Christian hatred of
Jews in this country and, of course, in Europe throughout the centuries.
Ruth Bader Ginsberg has spoken publicly about the antisemitism she
faced, as has Bernard Marcus, one of the founders of Home Depot.

Who do you think the antisemites are in this country, if not mostly
Christians?

On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 14:59:40 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Who do you think the antisemites are in this country, if not mostly
Christians?

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Regardless, it is still a repugnant stereotype.

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says...

On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 14:59:40 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Who do you think the antisemites are in this country, if not mostly
Christians?

===

Regardless, it is still a repugnant stereotype.

It could be the self loathing Arabs, who are actually semitic people too.

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 14:59:40 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Who do you think the antisemites are in this country, if not mostly
Christians?

===

Regardless, it is still a repugnant stereotype.

Funny how that Harry is so adamant about Christianity being just another
far-fetched fairy tale (to which I agree about it being) but doesn't
seem to say the same about Judaism.

On 9/20/13 10:55 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 14:59:40 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Who do you think the antisemites are in this country, if not mostly
Christians?

===

Regardless, it is still a repugnant stereotype.

Funny how that Harry is so adamant about Christianity being just another
far-fetched fairy tale (to which I agree about it being) but doesn't
seem to say the same about Judaism.



All religions are "far-fetched" fairytales. I don't mention Jews, Sikhs,
Hindus, et cetera, very often because they don't seem very interested in
turning my country into a theocracy. If the Christians would just keep
their fairytales to themselves, and not try to shove their religion and
their strange beliefs down everyones' throats, I wouldn't pay any
attention to them, either. It makes no difference to me whether someone
worships a pet rock, the sun, or any other deity-like figure or
imaginary being.

On 9/20/13 11:51 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 20 Sep 2013 10:55:26 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 14:59:40 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Who do you think the antisemites are in this country, if not mostly
Christians?

===

Regardless, it is still a repugnant stereotype.

Funny how that Harry is so adamant about Christianity being just another
far-fetched fairy tale (to which I agree about it being) but doesn't
seem to say the same about Judaism.

I do think Harry is a bit disingenuous when you see the hateful things
he characterizes all christians as being and then gets offended when
someone implies jews are good businessmen.



I don't characterize "all" Christians as being anything, other than,
like believers in other religions, believers in superstition.

On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 14:59:40 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 9/19/13 1:55 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 10:26:35 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

I remember a sociology class in college (one of those many liberal art
courses) in which a fellow student said that if Jews hated Christians
the way Christians hated Jews, Doctors Salk and Sabin would have figured
out a way to withhold their anti-polio vaccine from Gentiles. But, of
course, Salk and Sabin didn't do that. Good businessman that Salk was
(Jewish, you know), he didn't patent his vaccine.

===

Saying that Christians hate Jews is just as much of a sterotype as
saying that all Jews are good business people, and just as offensive
if not more so.


Yes, well, I was discussing a period in the United States in the 1950s
and early 1960s, when there was plenty of overt discrimination against
Jews in the United States. Your boy Nixon was a raving anti-Semite. And
those Christian Southern Strategy Republicans? Ever hear a meeting of
them talking about blacks and Jews? I have.

And there is plenty of historical data indicating Christian hatred of
Jews in this country and, of course, in Europe throughout the centuries.
Ruth Bader Ginsberg has spoken publicly about the antisemitism she
faced, as has Bernard Marcus, one of the founders of Home Depot.

Who do you think the antisemites are in this country, if not mostly
Christians?

To say Christians hate Jews is the same as saying Whites hate Blacks. There may be some Christians
who hate Jews, just as there are some Whites who hate Blacks.

Do *you* hate Blacks? If not, your stereotyping sucks.
--

John H.

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