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Hank©[_3_] September 8th 13 02:10 PM

Greg, speaking of following the money...
 
On 9/8/2013 7:56 AM, John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Sep 2013 17:14:07 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 9/7/13 4:53 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ...

On 9/7/13 4:03 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Sat, 7 Sep 2013 13:24:36 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:


I bought a 2 terabyte portable drive for all of my work and financial
files, etc. I also have a solid state seagate for daily backup.


2 terabytes? They could run the New York Stock Exchange with less DASD
than that. ;-)

We keep and use old files from several years ago. Some design files are
30 gigs or so. Add to that files from others on the design teams, plus
spreadsheets, correspondence, and on and on.


I have four two terabyte drives in my server, with one of those drives
running a compressed backup of what is on the other three drives.

I think I about two terabytes of data on the server which consists of
backups of the three computers in the house, folders for archives, about
750 GB of movies, et cetera. I do nightly backups of my desktop, plus
weekly backups of my wife's computer and my laptop. I also run an apple
Time Machine backup of my desktop computer to a separate external one
terabyte drive.

----------------------------

Pull the plug and you have nothing.



Also have a 17KW generator and a buried 500 gallon LP gas tank. :)


....and a Maryland red barn, and two owls in a tree down by the creek, and a twin-diesel, Volvo
powered trawler to keep up with Wayne, and a well-ridden Ducati motorcycle, and a printer from
WalMart. What more could a guy want?

John (Gun Nut) H.


He probably wrote off the genset as a medical necessity to keep his
apnea machine running.

F.O.A.D. September 8th 13 03:18 PM

Greg, speaking of following the money...
 
On 9/8/13 10:07 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 07 Sep 2013 22:03:19 -0400, Earl wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 07 Sep 2013 16:15:04 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:


Why not RAID them? With 4 drives you can set up a fairly high
efficiency array and have a soft failure of any single drive. With
some controllers you don't even need to bring the system down to swap
out the bad drive. The whole thing is invisible to the OS.
SATA hardware itself is hot swap capable.


He can't afford to pay his taxes. Do you really think he can afford a
$1500 Raid controller?


$1500?

More like $40 and most SATA controllers support RAID. You may have to
pay a little more for RAID 5 but not much


My little server is running under RAID. Something called Synology Hybrid
RAID (SHR) with data protection of 1 disk fault-tolerance. I'm not sure
what the hell that means, actually. :)



iBoaterer[_3_] September 8th 13 04:31 PM

Greg, speaking of following the money...
 
In article ,
says...

On Sat, 07 Sep 2013 17:14:07 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 9/7/13 4:53 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ...

On 9/7/13 4:03 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Sat, 7 Sep 2013 13:24:36 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:


I bought a 2 terabyte portable drive for all of my work and financial
files, etc. I also have a solid state seagate for daily backup.


2 terabytes? They could run the New York Stock Exchange with less DASD
than that. ;-)

We keep and use old files from several years ago. Some design files are
30 gigs or so. Add to that files from others on the design teams, plus
spreadsheets, correspondence, and on and on.


I have four two terabyte drives in my server, with one of those drives
running a compressed backup of what is on the other three drives.

I think I about two terabytes of data on the server which consists of
backups of the three computers in the house, folders for archives, about
750 GB of movies, et cetera. I do nightly backups of my desktop, plus
weekly backups of my wife's computer and my laptop. I also run an apple
Time Machine backup of my desktop computer to a separate external one
terabyte drive.

----------------------------

Pull the plug and you have nothing.



Also have a 17KW generator and a buried 500 gallon LP gas tank. :)


...and a Maryland red barn, and two owls in a tree down by the creek, and a twin-diesel, Volvo
powered trawler to keep up with Wayne, and a well-ridden Ducati motorcycle, and a printer from
WalMart. What more could a guy want?

John (Gun Nut) H.


A five year old grandkid that speaks four or five languagest, or course.

F.O.A.D. September 8th 13 04:53 PM

Greg, speaking of following the money...
 
On 9/8/13 11:31 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Sat, 07 Sep 2013 17:14:07 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 9/7/13 4:53 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ...

On 9/7/13 4:03 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Sat, 7 Sep 2013 13:24:36 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:


I bought a 2 terabyte portable drive for all of my work and financial
files, etc. I also have a solid state seagate for daily backup.


2 terabytes? They could run the New York Stock Exchange with less DASD
than that. ;-)

We keep and use old files from several years ago. Some design files are
30 gigs or so. Add to that files from others on the design teams, plus
spreadsheets, correspondence, and on and on.


I have four two terabyte drives in my server, with one of those drives
running a compressed backup of what is on the other three drives.

I think I about two terabytes of data on the server which consists of
backups of the three computers in the house, folders for archives, about
750 GB of movies, et cetera. I do nightly backups of my desktop, plus
weekly backups of my wife's computer and my laptop. I also run an apple
Time Machine backup of my desktop computer to a separate external one
terabyte drive.

----------------------------

Pull the plug and you have nothing.



Also have a 17KW generator and a buried 500 gallon LP gas tank. :)


...and a Maryland red barn, and two owls in a tree down by the creek, and a twin-diesel, Volvo
powered trawler to keep up with Wayne, and a well-ridden Ducati motorcycle, and a printer from
WalMart. What more could a guy want?

John (Gun Nut) H.


A five year old grandkid that speaks four or five languagest, or course.


Mine speaks the three languages spoken in his home. We're not genetic
Ingerfools, after all.

F.O.A.D. September 8th 13 05:33 PM

Greg, speaking of following the money...
 
On 9/8/13 12:21 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Sep 2013 10:18:02 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 9/8/13 10:07 AM,
wrote:
On Sat, 07 Sep 2013 22:03:19 -0400, Earl wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 07 Sep 2013 16:15:04 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Why not RAID them? With 4 drives you can set up a fairly high
efficiency array and have a soft failure of any single drive. With
some controllers you don't even need to bring the system down to swap
out the bad drive. The whole thing is invisible to the OS.
SATA hardware itself is hot swap capable.

He can't afford to pay his taxes. Do you really think he can afford a
$1500 Raid controller?

$1500?

More like $40 and most SATA controllers support RAID. You may have to
pay a little more for RAID 5 but not much


My little server is running under RAID. Something called Synology Hybrid
RAID (SHR) with data protection of 1 disk fault-tolerance. I'm not sure
what the hell that means, actually. :)


That does sort of look like RAID 5.
Is that "backup" drive actually just the conglomerate "wasted" drive
in a RAID array?
Basically RAID 5 writes "stripes" across all of the drives in the
array and the way they are laid out, you have one more drive than the
amount of data you can store. When you lose one, the data can be
recovered from the stripes on the other drives.
You can hot swap out the bad one and the system will restore the array
while you work.




That sort of sounds like the description I sort of read and sort of
understood on the synology site. I think. :)

Oh...the cheapo Seagate drive in my iMac was replaced with an
apple-branded drive (shows up as an apple branded drive) that allegedly
is a twice the price Hitachi Ultrastar drive that is "enterprise-rated"
for servers. That from a fellow on one of the apple forums who had a
similar problem and whose drive was replaced by one with the same apple
description and model number.

If apple updates the iMac substantially this fall or in 2014, I'll sell
this one and get the upgrade, especially if it has a large capacity SSD
instead of the combo apple now is using in the latest iMacs.



skin a cat September 8th 13 05:39 PM

Greg, speaking of following the money..
 
On 9/8/2013 12:21 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Sep 2013 10:18:02 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 9/8/13 10:07 AM,
wrote:
On Sat, 07 Sep 2013 22:03:19 -0400, Earl wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 07 Sep 2013 16:15:04 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Why not RAID them? With 4 drives you can set up a fairly high
efficiency array and have a soft failure of any single drive. With
some controllers you don't even need to bring the system down to swap
out the bad drive. The whole thing is invisible to the OS.
SATA hardware itself is hot swap capable.

He can't afford to pay his taxes. Do you really think he can afford a
$1500 Raid controller?

$1500?

More like $40 and most SATA controllers support RAID. You may have to
pay a little more for RAID 5 but not much


My little server is running under RAID. Something called Synology Hybrid
RAID (SHR) with data protection of 1 disk fault-tolerance. I'm not sure
what the hell that means, actually. :)


That does sort of look like RAID 5.
Is that "backup" drive actually just the conglomerate "wasted" drive
in a RAID array?
Basically RAID 5 writes "stripes" across all of the drives in the
array and the way they are laid out, you have one more drive than the
amount of data you can store. When you lose one, the data can be
recovered from the stripes on the other drives.
You can hot swap out the bad one and the system will restore the array
while you work.

I am going the other way with mirroring. It is less efficient in drive
usage but even if you lose the array, you only lose that block of
data. (one drive's worth)


I guess I am simple... I have three external drives, all have all of my
work and files, don't back up systems and programs, don't steal them,
have the install disks and if I have to rebuild I like to start from
scratch anyway... I do have one cloud account for two folders of
recent artwork and business files too... but I really don't know much
about it, I put stuff in, it backs it up at night... Supposed to be
always there for me, I sure hope so:)

iBoaterer[_3_] September 8th 13 06:46 PM

Greg, speaking of following the money..
 
In article ,
says...

On 9/8/2013 12:21 PM,
wrote:
On Sun, 08 Sep 2013 10:18:02 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 9/8/13 10:07 AM,
wrote:
On Sat, 07 Sep 2013 22:03:19 -0400, Earl wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 07 Sep 2013 16:15:04 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Why not RAID them? With 4 drives you can set up a fairly high
efficiency array and have a soft failure of any single drive. With
some controllers you don't even need to bring the system down to swap
out the bad drive. The whole thing is invisible to the OS.
SATA hardware itself is hot swap capable.

He can't afford to pay his taxes. Do you really think he can afford a
$1500 Raid controller?

$1500?

More like $40 and most SATA controllers support RAID. You may have to
pay a little more for RAID 5 but not much


My little server is running under RAID. Something called Synology Hybrid
RAID (SHR) with data protection of 1 disk fault-tolerance. I'm not sure
what the hell that means, actually. :)


That does sort of look like RAID 5.
Is that "backup" drive actually just the conglomerate "wasted" drive
in a RAID array?
Basically RAID 5 writes "stripes" across all of the drives in the
array and the way they are laid out, you have one more drive than the
amount of data you can store. When you lose one, the data can be
recovered from the stripes on the other drives.
You can hot swap out the bad one and the system will restore the array
while you work.

I am going the other way with mirroring. It is less efficient in drive
usage but even if you lose the array, you only lose that block of
data. (one drive's worth)


I guess I am simple... I have three external drives, all have all of my
work and files, don't back up systems and programs, don't steal them,
have the install disks and if I have to rebuild I like to start from
scratch anyway... I do have one cloud account for two folders of
recent artwork and business files too... but I really don't know much
about it, I put stuff in, it backs it up at night... Supposed to be
always there for me, I sure hope so:)


Wow, this from the alleged purveyor of technical support.....

F.O.A.D. September 8th 13 06:54 PM

Greg, speaking of following the money..
 
On 9/8/13 1:46 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 9/8/2013 12:21 PM,
wrote:
On Sun, 08 Sep 2013 10:18:02 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 9/8/13 10:07 AM,
wrote:
On Sat, 07 Sep 2013 22:03:19 -0400, Earl wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 07 Sep 2013 16:15:04 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Why not RAID them? With 4 drives you can set up a fairly high
efficiency array and have a soft failure of any single drive. With
some controllers you don't even need to bring the system down to swap
out the bad drive. The whole thing is invisible to the OS.
SATA hardware itself is hot swap capable.

He can't afford to pay his taxes. Do you really think he can afford a
$1500 Raid controller?

$1500?

More like $40 and most SATA controllers support RAID. You may have to
pay a little more for RAID 5 but not much


My little server is running under RAID. Something called Synology Hybrid
RAID (SHR) with data protection of 1 disk fault-tolerance. I'm not sure
what the hell that means, actually. :)


That does sort of look like RAID 5.
Is that "backup" drive actually just the conglomerate "wasted" drive
in a RAID array?
Basically RAID 5 writes "stripes" across all of the drives in the
array and the way they are laid out, you have one more drive than the
amount of data you can store. When you lose one, the data can be
recovered from the stripes on the other drives.
You can hot swap out the bad one and the system will restore the array
while you work.

I am going the other way with mirroring. It is less efficient in drive
usage but even if you lose the array, you only lose that block of
data. (one drive's worth)


I guess I am simple... I have three external drives, all have all of my
work and files, don't back up systems and programs, don't steal them,
have the install disks and if I have to rebuild I like to start from
scratch anyway... I do have one cloud account for two folders of
recent artwork and business files too... but I really don't know much
about it, I put stuff in, it backs it up at night... Supposed to be
always there for me, I sure hope so:)


Wow, this from the alleged purveyor of technical support.....



The problem with not backing up operating systems and programs is that
it takes a hell of a lot of time and attention to reinstall them. When I
got my iMac with the new HD in it yesterday, I ran a "Time Machine"
restore, went out for lunch, and when I came back an hour and a half
later, the new HD was up and running with all the contents it had on it,
just as it was the day before I took the iMac up to the apple store. All
I had to do was type in my system password.

True North[_2_] September 8th 13 07:22 PM

Greg, speaking of following the money..
 
On Sunday, 8 September 2013 14:46:25 UTC-3, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,

says...



On 9/8/2013 12:21 PM,
wrote:

On Sun, 08 Sep 2013 10:18:02 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:




On 9/8/13 10:07 AM,
wrote:

On Sat, 07 Sep 2013 22:03:19 -0400, Earl wrote:




wrote:

On Sat, 07 Sep 2013 16:15:04 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:




Why not RAID them? With 4 drives you can set up a fairly high


efficiency array and have a soft failure of any single drive. With


some controllers you don't even need to bring the system down to swap


out the bad drive. The whole thing is invisible to the OS.


SATA hardware itself is hot swap capable.




He can't afford to pay his taxes. Do you really think he can afford a


$1500 Raid controller?




$1500?




More like $40 and most SATA controllers support RAID. You may have to


pay a little more for RAID 5 but not much






My little server is running under RAID. Something called Synology Hybrid


RAID (SHR) with data protection of 1 disk fault-tolerance. I'm not sure


what the hell that means, actually. :)






That does sort of look like RAID 5.


Is that "backup" drive actually just the conglomerate "wasted" drive


in a RAID array?


Basically RAID 5 writes "stripes" across all of the drives in the


array and the way they are laid out, you have one more drive than the


amount of data you can store. When you lose one, the data can be


recovered from the stripes on the other drives.


You can hot swap out the bad one and the system will restore the array


while you work.




I am going the other way with mirroring. It is less efficient in drive


usage but even if you lose the array, you only lose that block of


data. (one drive's worth)






I guess I am simple... I have three external drives, all have all of my


work and files, don't back up systems and programs, don't steal them,


have the install disks and if I have to rebuild I like to start from


scratch anyway... I do have one cloud account for two folders of


recent artwork and business files too... but I really don't know much


about it, I put stuff in, it backs it up at night... Supposed to be


always there for me, I sure hope so:)




Wow, this from the alleged purveyor of technical support.....



~~ SNERK ~~
Oh boy.. his former customers didn't realize what shaky ground they stood on.

F.O.A.D. September 8th 13 08:47 PM

Greg, speaking of following the money..
 
On 9/8/13 2:22 PM, True North wrote:
On Sunday, 8 September 2013 14:46:25 UTC-3, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,

says...



On 9/8/2013 12:21 PM,
wrote:

On Sun, 08 Sep 2013 10:18:02 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:




On 9/8/13 10:07 AM,
wrote:

On Sat, 07 Sep 2013 22:03:19 -0400, Earl wrote:




wrote:

On Sat, 07 Sep 2013 16:15:04 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:




Why not RAID them? With 4 drives you can set up a fairly high


efficiency array and have a soft failure of any single drive. With


some controllers you don't even need to bring the system down to swap


out the bad drive. The whole thing is invisible to the OS.


SATA hardware itself is hot swap capable.




He can't afford to pay his taxes. Do you really think he can afford a


$1500 Raid controller?




$1500?




More like $40 and most SATA controllers support RAID. You may have to


pay a little more for RAID 5 but not much






My little server is running under RAID. Something called Synology Hybrid


RAID (SHR) with data protection of 1 disk fault-tolerance. I'm not sure


what the hell that means, actually. :)






That does sort of look like RAID 5.


Is that "backup" drive actually just the conglomerate "wasted" drive


in a RAID array?


Basically RAID 5 writes "stripes" across all of the drives in the


array and the way they are laid out, you have one more drive than the


amount of data you can store. When you lose one, the data can be


recovered from the stripes on the other drives.


You can hot swap out the bad one and the system will restore the array


while you work.




I am going the other way with mirroring. It is less efficient in drive


usage but even if you lose the array, you only lose that block of


data. (one drive's worth)






I guess I am simple... I have three external drives, all have all of my


work and files, don't back up systems and programs, don't steal them,


have the install disks and if I have to rebuild I like to start from


scratch anyway... I do have one cloud account for two folders of


recent artwork and business files too... but I really don't know much


about it, I put stuff in, it backs it up at night... Supposed to be


always there for me, I sure hope so:)




Wow, this from the alleged purveyor of technical support.....



~~ SNERK ~~
Oh boy.. his former customers didn't realize what shaky ground they stood on.


Maybe they did.


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