On 8/26/2013 10:20 PM, BAR wrote:
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On 8/26/2013 8:45 PM, BAR wrote:
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On 8/26/13 4:53 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:



I wouldn't pay anything extra for a laser. If it comes standard
with
the gun, fine, but I wouldn't go searching for a laser equipped
handgun
based on that feature alone.


I'm sorry, but I find most of this entire discussion hilarious.
Red
point lasers are not intended to *illuminate* a target, if you
mean
by
that lighting it up. They are to tell you if you are pointing at
your
human target, and not to the left or right of or above your
target.

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I don't practice shooting using human targets.


What are you going to do when the intruder enters your house in the
middle of the night, ask
him to put a bullseye on his chest?

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What does that have to do with having a laser on a handgun or not?

My point is that you should practice to hit what you are aiming at
without one, and preferably without even sighting.

Training should be as realistic as possible.


Dick has it right... Practicing at close range, "from the hip" as it
were. We used to practice, aiming by feel, not by eye. Prone,
sitting...
from the side...

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Military laser target designation systems are totally different.
They are closed loop with an optical detector providing control of
where the round goes. One person or system "illuminates" the target
with a laser. A detector receives the reflected laser spot and
controls the weapon and round to be fired. As long as the target
remains illuminated with the laser, the round doesn't miss.

When the police train, they use bad guys targets.

The the elite military forces train shooting at bad guy targets and life-like dummies.

Yeah, I hear they actually went down to the local union office and took
pictures of the members coming and going so the dummies faces, would
look like real crims...

When you train to for home defense you should be shooting at bad guy targes and not bulls-
eyes. I could care less about the laser on your weapon.

"BAR" wrote in message
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When the police train, they use bad guys targets.

The the elite military forces train shooting at bad guy targets and
life-like dummies.

When you train to for home defense you should be shooting at bad guy
targes and not bulls-
eyes. I could care less about the laser on your weapon.

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Two reasons why I don't buy or use "bad guy" targets:

1. I belong to a local "sports club", not a police/military training
facility. Use of targets that represent the profile of human beings
is technically not permitted in the rules and regulations, although
I've seen some people using them once in a while. The club has been
in existence since 1922 and has indoor and outdoor pistol ranges,
rifle ranges, skeet and trap shooting ranges, bow and arrow ranges,
black powder and ball shooting areas and knife/tomahawk throwing
areas. The club promotes the sport of target practice and competitive
shooting events, not the simulation of shooting people. It also
organizes fishing trips, camping trips and sponsors several youth
activities and college scholarship programs for members and their
families.

2. I don't think it really matters much what is printed on a piece of
paper when it comes to practicing close range, home defense shooting.
Realistically, if you can accurately and quickly get two or three
rounds on an eight inch target at 10 to 15 feet without sighting, you
are likely to hit any home intruder at the same distance. In a
survival situation like that, there really isn't time to conveniently
set up for a head shot, a chest shot to the heart or whatever.

On 8/26/13 10:16 PM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, August 26, 2013 6:25:06 PM UTC-5, F. O. A. D. wrote:
On 8/26/13 7:21 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:





Well, I agree 100%.. someone shows up in the door, I will attack without

a second thought. If I hear them coming through a window, I might let

them know I am coming armed and start swinging if they are still there

when I get there... Either way, if I see them, it's on...







You think someone will break into your place to steal your motorbike

from the kitchen?

And why not? Some one stole one of their bikes right out of his garage...



Maybe it was a "sign from above."

On Tuesday, August 27, 2013 5:50:37 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 8/26/13 10:16 PM, Tim wrote:

On Monday, August 26, 2013 6:25:06 PM UTC-5, F. O. A. D. wrote:

On 8/26/13 7:21 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:











Well, I agree 100%.. someone shows up in the door, I will attack without



a second thought. If I hear them coming through a window, I might let



them know I am coming armed and start swinging if they are still there



when I get there... Either way, if I see them, it's on...















You think someone will break into your place to steal your motorbike



from the kitchen?



And why not? Some one stole one of their bikes right out of his garage...







Maybe it was a "sign from above."

Maybe it was a "sign from above." what?

On 8/27/13 7:54 AM, Tim wrote:
On Tuesday, August 27, 2013 5:50:37 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 8/26/13 10:16 PM, Tim wrote:

On Monday, August 26, 2013 6:25:06 PM UTC-5, F. O. A. D. wrote:

On 8/26/13 7:21 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:











Well, I agree 100%.. someone shows up in the door, I will attack without



a second thought. If I hear them coming through a window, I might let



them know I am coming armed and start swinging if they are still there



when I get there... Either way, if I see them, it's on...















You think someone will break into your place to steal your motorbike



from the kitchen?



And why not? Some one stole one of their bikes right out of his garage...







Maybe it was a "sign from above."

Maybe it was a "sign from above." what?



The bike theft. A sign from that mysterious imaginary being of mythology
and superstition that another hobby would be better.

On Tuesday, August 27, 2013 8:11:22 AM UTC-4, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 8/27/13 7:54 AM, Tim wrote:

On Tuesday, August 27, 2013 5:50:37 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:

On 8/26/13 10:16 PM, Tim wrote:



On Monday, August 26, 2013 6:25:06 PM UTC-5, F. O. A. D. wrote:



On 8/26/13 7:21 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:























Well, I agree 100%.. someone shows up in the door, I will attack without







a second thought. If I hear them coming through a window, I might let







them know I am coming armed and start swinging if they are still there







when I get there... Either way, if I see them, it's on...































You think someone will break into your place to steal your motorbike







from the kitchen?







And why not? Some one stole one of their bikes right out of his garage...















Maybe it was a "sign from above."



Maybe it was a "sign from above." what?







The bike theft. A sign from that mysterious imaginary being of mythology

and superstition that another hobby would be better.

You may not be good at paying your taxes and debts, but you are *very* good at being an asshole.

On 8/27/2013 7:54 AM, Tim wrote:
On Tuesday, August 27, 2013 5:50:37 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 8/26/13 10:16 PM, Tim wrote:

On Monday, August 26, 2013 6:25:06 PM UTC-5, F. O. A. D. wrote:

On 8/26/13 7:21 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:











Well, I agree 100%.. someone shows up in the door, I will attack without



a second thought. If I hear them coming through a window, I might let



them know I am coming armed and start swinging if they are still there



when I get there... Either way, if I see them, it's on...















You think someone will break into your place to steal your motorbike



from the kitchen?



And why not? Some one stole one of their bikes right out of his garage...







Maybe it was a "sign from above."

Maybe it was a "sign from above." what?

His vantage point in his cellar office, of course.

On 8/27/2013 8:49 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, August 27, 2013 8:11:22 AM UTC-4, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 8/27/13 7:54 AM, Tim wrote:

On Tuesday, August 27, 2013 5:50:37 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:

On 8/26/13 10:16 PM, Tim wrote:



On Monday, August 26, 2013 6:25:06 PM UTC-5, F. O. A. D. wrote:



On 8/26/13 7:21 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:























Well, I agree 100%.. someone shows up in the door, I will attack without







a second thought. If I hear them coming through a window, I might let







them know I am coming armed and start swinging if they are still there







when I get there... Either way, if I see them, it's on...































You think someone will break into your place to steal your motorbike







from the kitchen?







And why not? Some one stole one of their bikes right out of his garage...















Maybe it was a "sign from above."



Maybe it was a "sign from above." what?







The bike theft. A sign from that mysterious imaginary being of mythology

and superstition that another hobby would be better.

You may not be good at paying your taxes and debts, but you are *very* good at being an asshole.

I'll testify to that.

On 8/27/13 8:49 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, August 27, 2013 8:11:22 AM UTC-4, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 8/27/13 7:54 AM, Tim wrote:

On Tuesday, August 27, 2013 5:50:37 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:

On 8/26/13 10:16 PM, Tim wrote:



On Monday, August 26, 2013 6:25:06 PM UTC-5, F. O. A. D. wrote:



On 8/26/13 7:21 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:























Well, I agree 100%.. someone shows up in the door, I will attack without







a second thought. If I hear them coming through a window, I might let







them know I am coming armed and start swinging if they are still there







when I get there... Either way, if I see them, it's on...































You think someone will break into your place to steal your motorbike







from the kitchen?







And why not? Some one stole one of their bikes right out of his garage...















Maybe it was a "sign from above."



Maybe it was a "sign from above." what?







The bike theft. A sign from that mysterious imaginary being of mythology

and superstition that another hobby would be better.

You may not be good at paying your taxes and debts, but you are *very* good at being an asshole.



Ooooooh. JackOff tries to make a funny. Ooooooh. You freepers are funny
guys. Ooooooh.

On 8/27/2013 9:13 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 8/27/13 8:49 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, August 27, 2013 8:11:22 AM UTC-4, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 8/27/13 7:54 AM, Tim wrote:

On Tuesday, August 27, 2013 5:50:37 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:

On 8/26/13 10:16 PM, Tim wrote:



On Monday, August 26, 2013 6:25:06 PM UTC-5, F. O. A. D. wrote:



On 8/26/13 7:21 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:























Well, I agree 100%.. someone shows up in the door, I will attack
without







a second thought. If I hear them coming through a window, I
might let







them know I am coming armed and start swinging if they are still
there







when I get there... Either way, if I see them, it's on...































You think someone will break into your place to steal your motorbike







from the kitchen?







And why not? Some one stole one of their bikes right out of his
garage...















Maybe it was a "sign from above."



Maybe it was a "sign from above." what?







The bike theft. A sign from that mysterious imaginary being of mythology

and superstition that another hobby would be better.

You may not be good at paying your taxes and debts, but you are *very*
good at being an asshole.



Ooooooh. JackOff tries to make a funny. Ooooooh. You freepers are funny
guys. Ooooooh.


I don't think he intended it to be funny. What is funny, and sad, is how
you see the world around you, and the insane comments you make about others.