On 8/2/2013 7:59 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 2 Aug 2013 04:37:08 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Friday, August 2, 2013 5:52:40 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Posit:



What Republicans are telling working Americans, the middle class, is

that you will work for lower wages, without health care, and without

retirement, *or* we will wreck the U.S. economy.

...As Stanley Kurtz writes in his 2010 book Radical in Chief: "Alinsky was ... convinced that large-scale socialist transformation would require an alliance between the struggling middle class and the poor. The key to radical social change, Alinsky thought, was to turn the wrath of America’s middle class against large corporations."

Alinsky has been dead for over 40 years and with him died his wrong
minded beliefs about social change.

Having sat in numerous board rooms, I can assure you that Harry is
right, for once. Since 2007, some American companies feel that they
cannot secure viable workers without breaking the economic back,
security, and spirit of the American worker. Their goal is lower
wages, no health care costs, no retirement costs, and an education
level restricting the worker to a particular socioeconomic class.

They are actively seeking social change to effect these ends and you
should be just as afraid of them as you seem to be of Alinsky. They
are just as screwed up.


You were the admin. assistant taking the minutes. Got it.

On 8/2/2013 7:59 AM, wrote:

Having sat in numerous board rooms, I can assure you that Harry is
right, for once. Since 2007, some American companies feel that they
cannot secure viable workers without breaking the economic back,
security, and spirit of the American worker. Their goal is lower
wages, no health care costs, no retirement costs, and an education
level restricting the worker to a particular socioeconomic class.

They are actively seeking social change to effect these ends and you
should be just as afraid of them as you seem to be of Alinsky. They
are just as screwed up.



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Sounds more like excuses for being under employed or unemployed than
reality. You have to remember that the competitive climate in
corporations has changed dramatically in the past decade. China (and
other countries) can produce products at a tenth of the cost of an
American manufacturer and in order to stay in business the American
manufacturer has to either cut costs or join the bandwagon and
outsource their manufacturing.

American consumers have demonstrated that they prefer the lower costs
and abundance of products made in China or elsewhere. I can't
understand how people can expect wage and benefit packages that are 10
times (or more) than that paid by the competition.

On 8/2/13 9:12 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 2 Aug 2013 09:01:50 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

I can't
understand how people can expect wage and benefit packages that are 10
times (or more) than that paid by the competition.

Maybe they have the mind set of CEOs?


Aim higher, like 400 times or more what the average worker earns.

wrote in message ...

On Fri, 2 Aug 2013 09:01:50 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

I can't
understand how people can expect wage and benefit packages that are
10
times (or more) than that paid by the competition.

Maybe they have the mind set of CEOs?

-------------------------------

Standard response. The majority of American CEOs don't receive
disproportionate wages, benefits or bonuses.
Those that do are typically hired hands with a contract with a public
company, charged with increasing profits and stock values ... for
whom?

The stock holders .... many invested through 401K plans .... who
expect stock performance while at the same time complaining about
their own wage and benefit packages. Mutually exclusive goals.

On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 09:28:17 -0400, wrote:

Standard response. The AVERAGE CEO makes $7,000 per hour, that is just
bull****. No matter how you *feel* about this, the facts speak for
themselves.

http://www.epi.org/publication/ceo-p...dinarily-high/

===

How much does the average professional golfer, baseball, football or
basketball player make per hour? What about television
"personalities" or other entertainers? At least CEOs are contributing
to the economy in some positive way. Your envy cup runneth over, just
like Harry's.

On 8/2/13 10:14 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 09:28:17 -0400, wrote:

Standard response. The AVERAGE CEO makes $7,000 per hour, that is just
bull****. No matter how you *feel* about this, the facts speak for
themselves.

http://www.epi.org/publication/ceo-p...dinarily-high/

===

How much does the average professional golfer, baseball, football or
basketball player make per hour? What about television
"personalities" or other entertainers? At least CEOs are contributing
to the economy in some positive way. Your envy cup runneth over, just
like Harry's.


Envious of you? That's a chuckle. I couldn't tolerate for more than a
week the indolent, do-nothing lifestyle you have that involves spending
half the year cramped up on a boat visiting islands and ports I've seen
a millions times before. I don't know and don't care what you do the
other half of the year, but I'll bet it is also next to nothing.

And aren't you at least partially living off the proceeds of your
bankster employer, you know, the crooked outfit that bilked investors
out of billions of dollars and had to be bailed out by the feds?

I remember when your employer, First National City, was a progressive
institution and not a criminal enterprise.

On 8/2/2013 11:07 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 8/2/13 10:14 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 09:28:17 -0400, wrote:

Standard response. The AVERAGE CEO makes $7,000 per hour, that is just
bull****. No matter how you *feel* about this, the facts speak for
themselves.

http://www.epi.org/publication/ceo-p...dinarily-high/

===

How much does the average professional golfer, baseball, football or
basketball player make per hour? What about television
"personalities" or other entertainers? At least CEOs are contributing
to the economy in some positive way. Your envy cup runneth over, just
like Harry's.


Envious of you? That's a chuckle. I couldn't tolerate for more than a
week the indolent, do-nothing lifestyle you have that involves spending
half the year cramped up on a boat visiting islands and ports I've seen
a millions times before. I don't know and don't care what you do the
other half of the year, but I'll bet it is also next to nothing.

And aren't you at least partially living off the proceeds of your
bankster employer, you know, the crooked outfit that bilked investors
out of billions of dollars and had to be bailed out by the feds?

I remember when your employer, First National City, was a progressive
institution and not a criminal enterprise.

You, having been associated with all manner of low life, grifters, and
corruptness, look down your nose at folks who have earned honest
livings. You also can't understand the concept of retirement because you
really haven't done anything significant to retire from. What an asshat.

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 2 Aug 2013 09:21:12 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:



wrote in message ...

On Fri, 2 Aug 2013 09:01:50 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

I can't
understand how people can expect wage and benefit packages that are
10
times (or more) than that paid by the competition.

Maybe they have the mind set of CEOs?

-------------------------------

Standard response. The majority of American CEOs don't receive
disproportionate wages, benefits or bonuses.
Those that do are typically hired hands with a contract with a public
company, charged with increasing profits and stock values ... for
whom?

The stock holders .... many invested through 401K plans .... who
expect stock performance while at the same time complaining about
their own wage and benefit packages. Mutually exclusive goals.


Standard response. The AVERAGE CEO makes $7,000 per hour, that is just
bull****. No matter how you *feel* about this, the facts speak for
themselves.

http://www.epi.org/publication/ceo-p...dinarily-high/

My, my. I think Richard's got his knees jerking.
Real "company lines" there.
People gaining significant benefits from 401k's are high
wage earners. High wage earners generally don't complain
about their wage and benefit packages.
Because...they are high wage earners.
Some even have defined benefit pensions to go along with
fat 401k's. I did.
But we are the few, not the many.
Gee, it's like Richard never heard of "income
inequality" being a problem serious here in the Good Ole
U.S.A.
Even Joe Scarborough talks about it.
Of course that all can be entirely meaningless in
personal practical terms.
If you have the money to get by. I do, and I suspect
Richard does.
So why worry about it? It's a dog eat dog world.
Until the big dog pack forms up and starts howling for
more meat.
Chances are looking better for more unionization as this
gets worse. Alternately, government will step up welfare
programs.
The writing is on the wall, because current practices
aren't sustainable.
Won't bother me however it turns out.
I don't care if the average CEO takes in $7k an hour
while running a company into the ground.
I mean, CEO's are geniuses, right? They deserve whatever
they can steal, right?
hehe.

On 8/2/2013 10:39 AM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Fri, 2 Aug 2013 09:21:12 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:



wrote in message ...

On Fri, 2 Aug 2013 09:01:50 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

I can't
understand how people can expect wage and benefit packages that are
10
times (or more) than that paid by the competition.

Maybe they have the mind set of CEOs?

-------------------------------

Standard response. The majority of American CEOs don't receive
disproportionate wages, benefits or bonuses.
Those that do are typically hired hands with a contract with a public
company, charged with increasing profits and stock values ... for
whom?

The stock holders .... many invested through 401K plans .... who
expect stock performance while at the same time complaining about
their own wage and benefit packages. Mutually exclusive goals.


Standard response. The AVERAGE CEO makes $7,000 per hour, that is just
bull****. No matter how you *feel* about this, the facts speak for
themselves.

http://www.epi.org/publication/ceo-p...dinarily-high/

My, my. I think Richard's got his knees jerking.
Real "company lines" there.
People gaining significant benefits from 401k's are high
wage earners. High wage earners generally don't complain
about their wage and benefit packages.
Because...they are high wage earners.
Some even have defined benefit pensions to go along with
fat 401k's. I did.
But we are the few, not the many.
Gee, it's like Richard never heard of "income
inequality" being a problem serious here in the Good Ole
U.S.A.
Even Joe Scarborough talks about it.
Of course that all can be entirely meaningless in
personal practical terms.
If you have the money to get by. I do, and I suspect
Richard does.
So why worry about it? It's a dog eat dog world.
Until the big dog pack forms up and starts howling for
more meat.
Chances are looking better for more unionization as this
gets worse. Alternately, government will step up welfare
programs.
The writing is on the wall, because current practices
aren't sustainable.
Won't bother me however it turns out.
I don't care if the average CEO takes in $7k an hour
while running a company into the ground.
I mean, CEO's are geniuses, right? They deserve whatever
they can steal, right?
hehe.



Income inequality is a problem but not your problem. Got it.