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jps July 28th 13 09:35 AM

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A record isn't required, just a loon and a gun.

Vargas, who has no known criminal record, set a combustible liquid on
fire in his fourth-floor apartment. Building manager Italo Pisciotti,
79, and his wife, Camira Pisciotti, 69, saw smoke and ran to the unit,
Zogby said. When they arrived, Vargas opened the door and fired,
killing both.

Detectives were investigating whether Vargas had any ongoing disputes
with the building manager, as some residents believed. His mother was
not home at the time.

After gunning down the building managers, Vargas went back into his
burning apartment and fired 10 to 20 shots from a 9mm pistol into the
street. One of the bullets struck 33-year-old Carlos Javier Gavilanes,
who was parking his car after returning home from work. Zogby said his
body was found next to his vehicle.

The gunman then kicked his way into a third-floor apartment, where he
shot to death Patricio Simono, 54; his wife Merly Niebles, 51; and
their 17-year-old daughter. Family members said Simono worked at a car
wash and Niebles cleaned hotel rooms. Their daughter wanted to be a
nurse.

All six people were killed in a short time span, Zogby said, and it's
possible they were all dead by the time police arrived.

Tim July 28th 13 12:12 PM

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Lifting up prayers this morning to families of a massacre in Hialeah (a suburb of Miami, made mostly of working-class Hispanics). 7 dead, including a family hunted down in their own home and a guy at random walking down the street with his two kids.
Not all is known as to why yet, but a lot of sad people. I ask The Lord to comfort those who remain in mourning...

F.O.A.D. July 28th 13 02:25 PM

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On 7/28/13 7:12 AM, Tim wrote:
Lifting up prayers this morning to families of a massacre in Hialeah (a suburb of Miami, made mostly of working-class Hispanics). 7 dead, including a family hunted down in their own home and a guy at random walking down the street with his two kids.
Not all is known as to why yet, but a lot of sad people. I ask The Lord to comfort those who remain in mourning...


It's Florida. The crazy shooter was just expressing his god-given right
to buy and own firearms and, of course, to stand his ground. If there is
a "lord," why isn't he or she or it busy preventing this sort of
craziness from happening? Too busy?

I don't intend this rant to be personal, Tim. I respect your beliefs,
but it is going to take a lot more than religious belief to calm this
crazy country down and comfort the mourning, and denying the role that
too easy access to firearms plays is not helpful, eh?

John H[_2_] July 28th 13 02:56 PM

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On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 09:25:17 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 7/28/13 7:12 AM, Tim wrote:
Lifting up prayers this morning to families of a massacre in Hialeah (a suburb of Miami, made mostly of working-class Hispanics). 7 dead, including a family hunted down in their own home and a guy at random walking down the street with his two kids.
Not all is known as to why yet, but a lot of sad people. I ask The Lord to comfort those who remain in mourning...


It's Florida. The crazy shooter was just expressing his god-given right
to buy and own firearms and, of course, to stand his ground. If there is
a "lord," why isn't he or she or it busy preventing this sort of
craziness from happening? Too busy?

I don't intend this rant to be personal, Tim. I respect your beliefs,
but it is going to take a lot more than religious belief to calm this
crazy country down and comfort the mourning, and denying the role that
too easy access to firearms plays is not helpful, eh?


....and you'll note that the gun nut, Krause, has given up all his firearms!

John (Gun Nut) H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

JustWaitAFrekinMinute July 28th 13 03:40 PM

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On 7/28/2013 9:56 AM, John H wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 09:25:17 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 7/28/13 7:12 AM, Tim wrote:
Lifting up prayers this morning to families of a massacre in Hialeah (a suburb of Miami, made mostly of working-class Hispanics). 7 dead, including a family hunted down in their own home and a guy at random walking down the street with his two kids.
Not all is known as to why yet, but a lot of sad people. I ask The Lord to comfort those who remain in mourning...


It's Florida. The crazy shooter was just expressing his god-given right
to buy and own firearms and, of course, to stand his ground. If there is
a "lord," why isn't he or she or it busy preventing this sort of
craziness from happening? Too busy?

I don't intend this rant to be personal, Tim. I respect your beliefs,
but it is going to take a lot more than religious belief to calm this
crazy country down and comfort the mourning, and denying the role that
too easy access to firearms plays is not helpful, eh?


...and you'll note that the gun nut, Krause, has given up all his firearms!

John (Gun Nut) H.


And he neglects to mention that the more we force God into a closet, the
crazier the country gets.

F.O.A.D. July 28th 13 04:03 PM

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On 7/28/13 10:40 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 7/28/2013 9:56 AM, John H wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 09:25:17 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 7/28/13 7:12 AM, Tim wrote:
Lifting up prayers this morning to families of a massacre in Hialeah
(a suburb of Miami, made mostly of working-class Hispanics). 7 dead,
including a family hunted down in their own home and a guy at random
walking down the street with his two kids.
Not all is known as to why yet, but a lot of sad people. I ask The
Lord to comfort those who remain in mourning...


It's Florida. The crazy shooter was just expressing his god-given right
to buy and own firearms and, of course, to stand his ground. If there is
a "lord," why isn't he or she or it busy preventing this sort of
craziness from happening? Too busy?

I don't intend this rant to be personal, Tim. I respect your beliefs,
but it is going to take a lot more than religious belief to calm this
crazy country down and comfort the mourning, and denying the role that
too easy access to firearms plays is not helpful, eh?


...and you'll note that the gun nut, Krause, has given up all his
firearms!

John (Gun Nut) H.


And he neglects to mention that the more we force God into a closet, the
crazier the country gets.



Tell me, oh psychotic one, how does a mere mortal force god into a closet?

jps July 28th 13 09:29 PM

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On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 11:03:47 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 7/28/13 10:40 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 7/28/2013 9:56 AM, John H wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 09:25:17 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 7/28/13 7:12 AM, Tim wrote:
Lifting up prayers this morning to families of a massacre in Hialeah
(a suburb of Miami, made mostly of working-class Hispanics). 7 dead,
including a family hunted down in their own home and a guy at random
walking down the street with his two kids.
Not all is known as to why yet, but a lot of sad people. I ask The
Lord to comfort those who remain in mourning...


It's Florida. The crazy shooter was just expressing his god-given right
to buy and own firearms and, of course, to stand his ground. If there is
a "lord," why isn't he or she or it busy preventing this sort of
craziness from happening? Too busy?

I don't intend this rant to be personal, Tim. I respect your beliefs,
but it is going to take a lot more than religious belief to calm this
crazy country down and comfort the mourning, and denying the role that
too easy access to firearms plays is not helpful, eh?

...and you'll note that the gun nut, Krause, has given up all his
firearms!

John (Gun Nut) H.


And he neglects to mention that the more we force God into a closet, the
crazier the country gets.



Tell me, oh psychotic one, how does a mere mortal force god into a closet?


We don't pray to him several times a day, in school and at work, and
don't mention him in every single conversation we have. And we don't
bind his words to every public building and fixture.

You know, like they do in Islamist countries. Their gun nuts are
totally under control by the grace of god.

jps July 28th 13 09:37 PM

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On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 04:12:45 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

Lifting up prayers this morning to families of a massacre in Hialeah (a suburb of Miami, made mostly of working-class Hispanics). 7 dead, including a family hunted down in their own home and a guy at random walking down the street with his two kids.
Not all is known as to why yet, but a lot of sad people. I ask The Lord to comfort those who remain in mourning...


Well, isn't that special? Did you ask the "Lord" to bring back the
folks who were innocently shot dead for no reason?

I think innocent bystanders should be resurrected, and any Lord worth
his salt would be able to right these asinine wrongs. He can't even
smite the asshole who needlessly killed these people.

Hank©[_3_] July 28th 13 09:38 PM

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On 7/28/2013 9:56 AM, John H wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 09:25:17 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 7/28/13 7:12 AM, Tim wrote:
Lifting up prayers this morning to families of a massacre in Hialeah (a suburb of Miami, made mostly of working-class Hispanics). 7 dead, including a family hunted down in their own home and a guy at random walking down the street with his two kids.
Not all is known as to why yet, but a lot of sad people. I ask The Lord to comfort those who remain in mourning...


It's Florida. The crazy shooter was just expressing his god-given right
to buy and own firearms and, of course, to stand his ground. If there is
a "lord," why isn't he or she or it busy preventing this sort of
craziness from happening? Too busy?

I don't intend this rant to be personal, Tim. I respect your beliefs,
but it is going to take a lot more than religious belief to calm this
crazy country down and comfort the mourning, and denying the role that
too easy access to firearms plays is not helpful, eh?


....and you'll note that the gun nut, Krause, has given up all his firearms!

John (Gun Nut) H.


When dat happen?

John H[_2_] July 28th 13 10:42 PM

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On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 16:38:09 -0400, Hank© wrote:

On 7/28/2013 9:56 AM, John H wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 09:25:17 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 7/28/13 7:12 AM, Tim wrote:
Lifting up prayers this morning to families of a massacre in Hialeah (a suburb of Miami, made mostly of working-class Hispanics). 7 dead, including a family hunted down in their own home and a guy at random walking down the street with his two kids.
Not all is known as to why yet, but a lot of sad people. I ask The Lord to comfort those who remain in mourning...


It's Florida. The crazy shooter was just expressing his god-given right
to buy and own firearms and, of course, to stand his ground. If there is
a "lord," why isn't he or she or it busy preventing this sort of
craziness from happening? Too busy?

I don't intend this rant to be personal, Tim. I respect your beliefs,
but it is going to take a lot more than religious belief to calm this
crazy country down and comfort the mourning, and denying the role that
too easy access to firearms plays is not helpful, eh?


....and you'll note that the gun nut, Krause, has given up all his firearms!

John (Gun Nut) H.


When dat happen?


Well, he either did or he's being damn hypocritical. Or maybe he's just trying to get on jps' 'good
side'.

John (Gun Nut) H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

Tim August 6th 13 01:10 AM

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On Sunday, July 28, 2013 3:37:00 PM UTC-5, jps wrote:



Well, isn't that special? Did you ask the "Lord" to bring back the

folks who were innocently shot dead for no reason?



Why no. Do you often tell God to "damn" people that you don't like or disagree with?


F.O.A.D. August 6th 13 01:42 AM

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On 8/5/13 8:10 PM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, July 28, 2013 3:37:00 PM UTC-5, jps wrote:



Well, isn't that special? Did you ask the "Lord" to bring back the

folks who were innocently shot dead for no reason?



Why no. Do you often tell God to "damn" people that you don't like or disagree with?



JPS doesn't tell god anything, and neither does anyone else.

Tim August 6th 13 03:28 AM

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On Monday, August 5, 2013 7:42:32 PM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 8/5/13 8:10 PM, Tim wrote:

On Sunday, July 28, 2013 3:37:00 PM UTC-5, jps wrote:








Well, isn't that special? Did you ask the "Lord" to bring back the




folks who were innocently shot dead for no reason?








Why no. Do you often tell God to "damn" people that you don't like or disagree with?








JPS doesn't tell god anything, and neither does anyone else.


sure they do. Some tell God what to do in just about every other word that comes out of their mouth..

JustWaitAFrekinMinute August 6th 13 04:01 AM

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On 8/5/2013 10:28 PM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, August 5, 2013 7:42:32 PM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 8/5/13 8:10 PM, Tim wrote:

On Sunday, July 28, 2013 3:37:00 PM UTC-5, jps wrote:








Well, isn't that special? Did you ask the "Lord" to bring back the




folks who were innocently shot dead for no reason?








Why no. Do you often tell God to "damn" people that you don't like or disagree with?








JPS doesn't tell god anything, and neither does anyone else.


sure they do. Some tell God what to do in just about every other word that comes out of their mouth..


These libs are living in lonely misery, and they seem to think hurtful
words towards others will make them feel better... I guess...

F.O.A.D. August 6th 13 11:52 AM

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On 8/5/13 10:28 PM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, August 5, 2013 7:42:32 PM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 8/5/13 8:10 PM, Tim wrote:

On Sunday, July 28, 2013 3:37:00 PM UTC-5, jps wrote:








Well, isn't that special? Did you ask the "Lord" to bring back the




folks who were innocently shot dead for no reason?








Why no. Do you often tell God to "damn" people that you don't like or disagree with?








JPS doesn't tell god anything, and neither does anyone else.


sure they do. Some tell God what to do in just about every other word that comes out of their mouth..


Just words. There's no one "up there" to listen.

F.O.A.D. August 6th 13 11:56 AM

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On 8/5/13 11:01 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 8/5/2013 10:28 PM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, August 5, 2013 7:42:32 PM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 8/5/13 8:10 PM, Tim wrote:

On Sunday, July 28, 2013 3:37:00 PM UTC-5, jps wrote:







Well, isn't that special? Did you ask the "Lord" to bring back the



folks who were innocently shot dead for no reason?







Why no. Do you often tell God to "damn" people that you don't like
or disagree with?







JPS doesn't tell god anything, and neither does anyone else.


sure they do. Some tell God what to do in just about every other word
that comes out of their mouth..


These libs are living in lonely misery, and they seem to think hurtful
words towards others will make them feel better... I guess...



Wait, wait, are you saying that atheists, not all of whom are liberals,
by the way, are lonely because they don't believe there's a "guy in the
sky" who keeps them company?

Funny stuff, and just more evidence of your psychoses.



Tim August 6th 13 01:02 PM

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On Tuesday, August 6, 2013 5:52:21 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 8/5/13 10:28 PM, Tim wrote:

On Monday, August 5, 2013 7:42:32 PM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:


On 8/5/13 8:10 PM, Tim wrote:




On Sunday, July 28, 2013 3:37:00 PM UTC-5, jps wrote:
















Well, isn't that special? Did you ask the "Lord" to bring back the








folks who were innocently shot dead for no reason?
















Why no. Do you often tell God to "damn" people that you don't like or disagree with?
















JPS doesn't tell god anything, and neither does anyone else.




sure they do. Some tell God what to do in just about every other word that comes out of their mouth..






Just words. There's no one "up there" to listen.


You absolutely and totally sure about that?

I'm not.

F.O.A.D. August 6th 13 01:09 PM

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On 8/6/13 8:02 AM, Tim wrote:
On Tuesday, August 6, 2013 5:52:21 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 8/5/13 10:28 PM, Tim wrote:

On Monday, August 5, 2013 7:42:32 PM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:


On 8/5/13 8:10 PM, Tim wrote:




On Sunday, July 28, 2013 3:37:00 PM UTC-5, jps wrote:
















Well, isn't that special? Did you ask the "Lord" to bring back the








folks who were innocently shot dead for no reason?
















Why no. Do you often tell God to "damn" people that you don't like or disagree with?
















JPS doesn't tell god anything, and neither does anyone else.




sure they do. Some tell God what to do in just about every other word that comes out of their mouth..






Just words. There's no one "up there" to listen.


You absolutely and totally sure about that?

I'm not.


Skeptic though I am, I respect your right to believe in the
supernatural, so long as you respect my right to not have religious
beliefs become laws or influence laws that impact government or the laws
it promulgates or enforces.

Tim August 6th 13 01:13 PM

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I've never said anything about 'r3eligios beliefs becoming laws
Are you absolutely sure there's nobody 'up there?'

F.O.A.D. August 6th 13 01:23 PM

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On 8/6/13 8:13 AM, Tim wrote:
I've never said anything about 'r3eligios beliefs becoming laws
Are you absolutely sure there's nobody 'up there?'



In the following sentence of mine...

"Skeptic though I am, I respect your right to believe in the
supernatural, so long as *you* respect my right to not have religious
beliefs become laws or influence laws that impact government or the laws
it promulgates or enforces."

....the *you* wasn't referring to you personally, but to "the religious"
who want to force their religious beliefs onto society. I figured you
would get that.

Am I "absolutely sure" there's nobody up there?

Yeah, pretty much, and for many reasons. But it is perfectly ok with me
if you want to believe.




Hank©[_3_] August 6th 13 02:55 PM

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On 8/6/2013 8:09 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 8/6/13 8:02 AM, Tim wrote:
On Tuesday, August 6, 2013 5:52:21 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 8/5/13 10:28 PM, Tim wrote:

On Monday, August 5, 2013 7:42:32 PM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:

On 8/5/13 8:10 PM, Tim wrote:



On Sunday, July 28, 2013 3:37:00 PM UTC-5, jps wrote:















Well, isn't that special? Did you ask the "Lord" to bring back the







folks who were innocently shot dead for no reason?















Why no. Do you often tell God to "damn" people that you don't like
or disagree with?















JPS doesn't tell god anything, and neither does anyone else.



sure they do. Some tell God what to do in just about every other
word that comes out of their mouth..





Just words. There's no one "up there" to listen.


You absolutely and totally sure about that?

I'm not.


Skeptic though I am, I respect your right to believe in the
supernatural, so long as you respect my right to not have religious
beliefs become laws or influence laws that impact government or the laws
it promulgates or enforces.


You have my blessings to believe whatever the hell you want, but please
get down off your soapbox, asshat. ;-)

JustWaitAFrekinMinute August 6th 13 02:57 PM

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On 8/6/2013 9:55 AM, Hank© wrote:
On 8/6/2013 8:09 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 8/6/13 8:02 AM, Tim wrote:
On Tuesday, August 6, 2013 5:52:21 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 8/5/13 10:28 PM, Tim wrote:

On Monday, August 5, 2013 7:42:32 PM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:

On 8/5/13 8:10 PM, Tim wrote:



On Sunday, July 28, 2013 3:37:00 PM UTC-5, jps wrote:















Well, isn't that special? Did you ask the "Lord" to bring back the







folks who were innocently shot dead for no reason?















Why no. Do you often tell God to "damn" people that you don't like
or disagree with?















JPS doesn't tell god anything, and neither does anyone else.



sure they do. Some tell God what to do in just about every other
word that comes out of their mouth..





Just words. There's no one "up there" to listen.

You absolutely and totally sure about that?

I'm not.


Skeptic though I am, I respect your right to believe in the
supernatural, so long as you respect my right to not have religious
beliefs become laws or influence laws that impact government or the laws
it promulgates or enforces.


You have my blessings to believe whatever the hell you want, but please
get down off your soapbox, asshat. ;-)


Harry would rather Sharpton, big Corporations, and special interests
like NAMBLA get to make the laws...

F.O.A.D. August 6th 13 03:15 PM

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On 8/6/13 9:57 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 8/6/2013 9:55 AM, Hank© wrote:
On 8/6/2013 8:09 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 8/6/13 8:02 AM, Tim wrote:
On Tuesday, August 6, 2013 5:52:21 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 8/5/13 10:28 PM, Tim wrote:

On Monday, August 5, 2013 7:42:32 PM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:

On 8/5/13 8:10 PM, Tim wrote:



On Sunday, July 28, 2013 3:37:00 PM UTC-5, jps wrote:















Well, isn't that special? Did you ask the "Lord" to bring back
the







folks who were innocently shot dead for no reason?















Why no. Do you often tell God to "damn" people that you don't like
or disagree with?















JPS doesn't tell god anything, and neither does anyone else.



sure they do. Some tell God what to do in just about every other
word that comes out of their mouth..





Just words. There's no one "up there" to listen.

You absolutely and totally sure about that?

I'm not.


Skeptic though I am, I respect your right to believe in the
supernatural, so long as you respect my right to not have religious
beliefs become laws or influence laws that impact government or the laws
it promulgates or enforces.


You have my blessings to believe whatever the hell you want, but please
get down off your soapbox, asshat. ;-)


Harry would rather Sharpton, big Corporations, and special interests
like NAMBLA get to make the laws...



You know, if you connected with a good psychotherapist, you could get
therapy and meds to help you control or at least partially control your
various psychoses. There surely are therapists in your area who might
accept patients on a sliding fee scale, and arrangements can be made so
you get your meds at little or no cost to you.

Even scarier - your kids might be following and wallowing in your
bat**** crazy mindset.

iBoaterer[_3_] August 6th 13 07:19 PM

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In article ,
says...

On 8/5/2013 10:28 PM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, August 5, 2013 7:42:32 PM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 8/5/13 8:10 PM, Tim wrote:

On Sunday, July 28, 2013 3:37:00 PM UTC-5, jps wrote:







Well, isn't that special? Did you ask the "Lord" to bring back the



folks who were innocently shot dead for no reason?







Why no. Do you often tell God to "damn" people that you don't like or disagree with?







JPS doesn't tell god anything, and neither does anyone else.


sure they do. Some tell God what to do in just about every other word that comes out of their mouth..


These libs are living in lonely misery, and they seem to think hurtful
words towards others will make them feel better... I guess...


Oh, man!!!!!! Scotty, the unhinged insane fool of rec.boats that comes
here being as vulgar and low life as a human can get whining about
others being hurtful......

iBoaterer[_3_] August 6th 13 07:20 PM

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In article ,
says...

On 8/6/2013 9:55 AM, Hank© wrote:
On 8/6/2013 8:09 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 8/6/13 8:02 AM, Tim wrote:
On Tuesday, August 6, 2013 5:52:21 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 8/5/13 10:28 PM, Tim wrote:

On Monday, August 5, 2013 7:42:32 PM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:

On 8/5/13 8:10 PM, Tim wrote:



On Sunday, July 28, 2013 3:37:00 PM UTC-5, jps wrote:















Well, isn't that special? Did you ask the "Lord" to bring back the







folks who were innocently shot dead for no reason?















Why no. Do you often tell God to "damn" people that you don't like
or disagree with?















JPS doesn't tell god anything, and neither does anyone else.



sure they do. Some tell God what to do in just about every other
word that comes out of their mouth..





Just words. There's no one "up there" to listen.

You absolutely and totally sure about that?

I'm not.


Skeptic though I am, I respect your right to believe in the
supernatural, so long as you respect my right to not have religious
beliefs become laws or influence laws that impact government or the laws
it promulgates or enforces.


You have my blessings to believe whatever the hell you want, but please
get down off your soapbox, asshat. ;-)


Harry would rather Sharpton, big Corporations, and special interests
like NAMBLA get to make the laws...


Jawbone bothering you again?


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