Fast food jobs a dead end for those who want to get ahead
 

On 7/28/2013 6:52 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 7/28/13 12:40 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 19:00:28 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Uncovering an industry's lies: Fast food offers few ways to get ahead


Press a fast food chain to pay better wages, and you'll hear some
version of this: "The restaurant industry is a launching pad" or
"[E]mployees who want to go from crew to management can take advantage
of a variety of training and other professional development
opportunities." Those statements, from the New York Restaurant
Association and McDonald's, sum up the argument: Fast food workers may
be making poverty wages now, but they could become managers! Owners! The
possibilities are limitless, so really there's no point in paying people
a living wage! Of course, it's not really true.

I spent a lot of time around fast food (Wendy's, Burger King and
Arbys)
I doubt anyone working there actually thinks they are doing it to get
rich.
You have 2 basic employees, young kids who are just making some money
while they are looking for another job and retired people who just
like being out of the house and are limited by SS about how much money
they can make (without paying taxes on the SS).
The average turnover rate is somewhere around 250% yet you have
employees who have been there for a decade.
People who have stayed around do get raises and they used to get
insurance (not sure now I have been away from it)

I don't get it but there are people who actually like that work.

OTOH if you get into the support end of the business you can make
pretty good money. (district managers, Maintenance directors and IT
people)



Apparently you and others here entirely missed the point of the article.
No surprise, eh?

You don't expect normal people to make sense of your brainwashrd
muttering, do you?

Fast food jobs a dead end for those who want to get ahead
 

maybe so, the article was pointless anyhow. But it id give you an excuse to write "Amerika"

Fast food jobs a dead end for those who want to get ahead
 

On Sunday, July 28, 2013 6:12:38 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 7/28/13 1:32 AM, Tim wrote:

On Saturday, July 27, 2013 8:25:34 PM UTC-5, Earl wrote:

On 7/27/13 9:18 PM, Tim wrote:



On Saturday, July 27, 2013 6:00:28 PM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:



Uncovering an industry's lies: Fast food offers few ways to get ahead























Press a fast food chain to pay better wages, and you'll hear some







version of this: "The restaurant industry is a launching pad" or







"[E]mployees who want to go from crew to management can take advantage







of a variety of training and other professional development







opportunities." ....















Ahh. Amerika...land of opportunity...for the rich to feed off the poor.











You miss-spelled 'America' Harry.







A High school classmate of mine, started working at Long John Silvers while in High school, then went to be the manager, then DM. He quite LJS and went to work as an innkeeper for a large Holiday Inn in the upper Quad cities. Then perused a couple other ventures. Now he's a CEO of a computer securities company which is a contractor to the US gov't. BTW, the gov't has renewed his companies contract every two years for the last 10. Not bad for a kid who started out broiling fish...







Yep, all in the 'land of opportunity'















I'm sorry the fast food article went over your head. It had nothing to



do with working at a fast food joint and then finding other jobs in



other places. It had to do with the promises made to naive workers by



fast food restaurants, promises that they someday might rise to a



position of significance in the chain and maybe even own a franchise



restaurant. That's bull****. You aren't going to amass a million dollars



working for minimum wage or even double minimum wage.



I'm sorry that you feel that anyone who works at fast food is a slave who is trapped because they supposedly have been promised the world.







Did I state or imply that? No, of course not. Next...

Sure you did. look at the title of your thread, and please review your article you posted.

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Fast food jobs a dead end for those who want to get ahead
 

On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 05:35:00 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

maybe so, the article was pointless anyhow. But it id give you an excuse to write "Amerika"

Well said.

John (Gun Nut) H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

Fast food jobs a dead end for those who want to get ahead
 

On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 19:00:28 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:


Uncovering an industry's lies: Fast food offers few ways to get ahead


Press a fast food chain to pay better wages, and you'll hear some
version of this: "The restaurant industry is a launching pad" or
"[E]mployees who want to go from crew to management can take advantage
of a variety of training and other professional development
opportunities." Those statements, from the New York Restaurant
Association and McDonald's, sum up the argument: Fast food workers may
be making poverty wages now, but they could become managers! Owners! The
possibilities are limitless, so really there's no point in paying people
a living wage! Of course, it's not really true.

A new report from the National Employment Law Project reveals just how
false that story of easy advancement is. In the United States as a
whole, 31 percent of jobs are managerial, professional, or technical. In
the fast food industry, it's 2.2 percent. Front-line
occupations—cashiers and fry cooks and the like—are 89.1 percent of fast
food jobs, and they pay a median wage of $8.94 an hour. That's less than
$18,600 for a year of full-time work, not that most of these jobs are
full-time. And what if you do get promoted? Most of those promotions are
to the 8.7 percent of fast food jobs that are first-line supervisors.
Those pay a median of $13.06.

If you want to be a franchise owner, you already have to be rich in most
cases. At the cheap end, you can get a Papa John's franchise if you have
a net worth of $150,000 and liquid assets of $50,000. But try saving
enough to buy one of those at $8.94 or even $13.06 an hour. And the next
cheapest major franchise is Dunkin Donuts, which requires you to have a
net worth of $500,000 and liquid assets of $250,000, and it goes up from
there. So, no, a low-wage fast food job is not the launching pad to
franchise ownership.

In other words, the fast food industry is the dead end you always
thought it was. The myths of mobility it tries to peddle to justify all
those low wages are just that: myths. The vast majority of fast food
jobs pay poverty wages, and there is no more a franchise ownership
coming for the workers struggling to make a living on pay that even
McDonald's indirectly acknowledges isn't enough to live on than there is
a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

http://tinyurl.com/ks3el99

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Ahh. Amerika...land of opportunity...for the rich to feed off the poor.

I spent almost my entire high school career working at a fast food place (Garst's Drive In, Sedalia,
MO). I did fine.

So, again, your put-down of this country is meaningless drivel. Of course, Donnie will love it.

John (Gun Nut) H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

Fast food jobs a dead end for those who want to get ahead
 

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On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 19:00:28 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Uncovering an industry's lies: Fast food offers few ways to get ahead


Press a fast food chain to pay better wages, and you'll hear some
version of this: "The restaurant industry is a launching pad" or
"[E]mployees who want to go from crew to management can take advantage
of a variety of training and other professional development
opportunities." Those statements, from the New York Restaurant
Association and McDonald's, sum up the argument: Fast food workers may
be making poverty wages now, but they could become managers! Owners! The
possibilities are limitless, so really there's no point in paying people
a living wage! Of course, it's not really true.

I spent a lot of time around fast food (Wendy's, Burger King and
Arbys)
I doubt anyone working there actually thinks they are doing it to get
rich.
You have 2 basic employees, young kids who are just making some money
while they are looking for another job and retired people who just
like being out of the house and are limited by SS about how much money
they can make (without paying taxes on the SS).
The average turnover rate is somewhere around 250% yet you have
employees who have been there for a decade.
People who have stayed around do get raises and they used to get
insurance (not sure now I have been away from it)

I don't get it but there are people who actually like that work.

OTOH if you get into the support end of the business you can make
pretty good money. (district managers, Maintenance directors and IT
people)


You are correct. A friend of mine's niece didn't have college funds,
didn't want federal loans. At 17 out of high school she went to work at
the local McDonalds. She worked her way up through shift manager, etc.
while they paid her a fair amount of her community college tab. She
eventually became a regional manager, and made a pretty good living. As
far as I know she is still with McDonalds. One thing is, they reward
hard work and effort by advancement.

Fast food jobs a dead end for those who want to get ahead
 

Tim wrote:
On Saturday, July 27, 2013 8:25:34 PM UTC-5, Earl wrote:

You aren't going to amass a million dollars

working for minimum wage or even double minimum wage.
How many 'drive-thru window' kids have you asked that thought they would?

I've been misquoted!

Fast food jobs a dead end for those who want to get ahead
 

On Monday, July 29, 2013 7:32:10 PM UTC-5, Earl wrote:
Tim wrote:

On Saturday, July 27, 2013 8:25:34 PM UTC-5, Earl wrote:



You aren't going to amass a million dollars



working for minimum wage or even double minimum wage.

How many 'drive-thru window' kids have you asked that thought they would?



I've been misquoted!

No, it seems that you and Harry and must now have the same email address because "Earl" is on his posts a lot of the time now.

Fast food jobs a dead end for those who want to get ahead
 

Tim wrote:
On Monday, July 29, 2013 7:32:10 PM UTC-5, Earl wrote:
Tim wrote:

On Saturday, July 27, 2013 8:25:34 PM UTC-5, Earl wrote:



You aren't going to amass a million dollars



working for minimum wage or even double minimum wage.

How many 'drive-thru window' kids have you asked that thought they would?



I've been misquoted!

No, it seems that you and Harry and must now have the same email address
because "Earl" is on his posts a lot of the time now.

Earl clogs my filters and bozo bin but not as much as flajim. They
apparently think I will read the turds they excrete in here. Eisboxh is a
big fan of flajim. 😄

Fast food jobs a dead end for those who want to get ahead
 

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ...


Earl clogs my filters and bozo bin but not as much as flajim. They
apparently think I will read the turds they excrete in here. Eisboxh
is a
big fan of flajim. 😄

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Harry, your baiting isn't going to work. I don't care what you
think of the fact that I have a friendship with Jim that goes back
many years.

You've posted a lot of bull**** about him (and probably others) that
you have no way of knowing. I *will* acknowledge that he gets a big
kick out of it however.

Many here have little respect for your style of trying to bully your
way around with your writing skills fueled by an enormous ego. It's
unfortunate that it appears to be all you have to offer in terms of
expertise.

I can say that with respect to a broader range of general knowledge
and capabilities, and without violating any trusts, ol' Jim has you
beat hands down.