Fast food jobs a dead end for those who want to get ahead
 

Uncovering an industry's lies: Fast food offers few ways to get ahead


Press a fast food chain to pay better wages, and you'll hear some
version of this: "The restaurant industry is a launching pad" or
"[E]mployees who want to go from crew to management can take advantage
of a variety of training and other professional development
opportunities." Those statements, from the New York Restaurant
Association and McDonald's, sum up the argument: Fast food workers may
be making poverty wages now, but they could become managers! Owners! The
possibilities are limitless, so really there's no point in paying people
a living wage! Of course, it's not really true.

A new report from the National Employment Law Project reveals just how
false that story of easy advancement is. In the United States as a
whole, 31 percent of jobs are managerial, professional, or technical. In
the fast food industry, it's 2.2 percent. Front-line
occupations—cashiers and fry cooks and the like—are 89.1 percent of fast
food jobs, and they pay a median wage of $8.94 an hour. That's less than
$18,600 for a year of full-time work, not that most of these jobs are
full-time. And what if you do get promoted? Most of those promotions are
to the 8.7 percent of fast food jobs that are first-line supervisors.
Those pay a median of $13.06.

If you want to be a franchise owner, you already have to be rich in most
cases. At the cheap end, you can get a Papa John's franchise if you have
a net worth of $150,000 and liquid assets of $50,000. But try saving
enough to buy one of those at $8.94 or even $13.06 an hour. And the next
cheapest major franchise is Dunkin Donuts, which requires you to have a
net worth of $500,000 and liquid assets of $250,000, and it goes up from
there. So, no, a low-wage fast food job is not the launching pad to
franchise ownership.

In other words, the fast food industry is the dead end you always
thought it was. The myths of mobility it tries to peddle to justify all
those low wages are just that: myths. The vast majority of fast food
jobs pay poverty wages, and there is no more a franchise ownership
coming for the workers struggling to make a living on pay that even
McDonald's indirectly acknowledges isn't enough to live on than there is
a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

http://tinyurl.com/ks3el99

- - -

Ahh. Amerika...land of opportunity...for the rich to feed off the poor.

Fast food jobs a dead end for those who want to get ahead
 

On Saturday, July 27, 2013 6:00:28 PM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Uncovering an industry's lies: Fast food offers few ways to get ahead





Press a fast food chain to pay better wages, and you'll hear some

version of this: "The restaurant industry is a launching pad" or

"[E]mployees who want to go from crew to management can take advantage

of a variety of training and other professional development

opportunities." ....



Ahh. Amerika...land of opportunity...for the rich to feed off the poor.


You miss-spelled 'America' Harry.

A High school classmate of mine, started working at Long John Silvers while in High school, then went to be the manager, then DM. He quite LJS and went to work as an innkeeper for a large Holiday Inn in the upper Quad cities. Then perused a couple other ventures. Now he's a CEO of a computer securities company which is a contractor to the US gov't. BTW, the gov't has renewed his companies contract every two years for the last 10. Not bad for a kid who started out broiling fish...

Yep, all in the 'land of opportunity'

Fast food jobs a dead end for those who want to get ahead
 

On 7/27/13 9:18 PM, Tim wrote:
On Saturday, July 27, 2013 6:00:28 PM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Uncovering an industry's lies: Fast food offers few ways to get ahead





Press a fast food chain to pay better wages, and you'll hear some

version of this: "The restaurant industry is a launching pad" or

"[E]mployees who want to go from crew to management can take advantage

of a variety of training and other professional development

opportunities." ....



Ahh. Amerika...land of opportunity...for the rich to feed off the poor.


You miss-spelled 'America' Harry.

A High school classmate of mine, started working at Long John Silvers while in High school, then went to be the manager, then DM. He quite LJS and went to work as an innkeeper for a large Holiday Inn in the upper Quad cities. Then perused a couple other ventures. Now he's a CEO of a computer securities company which is a contractor to the US gov't. BTW, the gov't has renewed his companies contract every two years for the last 10. Not bad for a kid who started out broiling fish...

Yep, all in the 'land of opportunity'



No, I didn't, but you misspelled misspelled.

This really isn't the United States of America anymore. It's become a
Kafkaesque novel.

Fast food jobs a dead end for those who want to get ahead
 

On 7/27/13 9:18 PM, Tim wrote:
On Saturday, July 27, 2013 6:00:28 PM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Uncovering an industry's lies: Fast food offers few ways to get ahead





Press a fast food chain to pay better wages, and you'll hear some

version of this: "The restaurant industry is a launching pad" or

"[E]mployees who want to go from crew to management can take advantage

of a variety of training and other professional development

opportunities." ....



Ahh. Amerika...land of opportunity...for the rich to feed off the poor.


You miss-spelled 'America' Harry.

A High school classmate of mine, started working at Long John Silvers while in High school, then went to be the manager, then DM. He quite LJS and went to work as an innkeeper for a large Holiday Inn in the upper Quad cities. Then perused a couple other ventures. Now he's a CEO of a computer securities company which is a contractor to the US gov't. BTW, the gov't has renewed his companies contract every two years for the last 10. Not bad for a kid who started out broiling fish...

Yep, all in the 'land of opportunity'



I'm sorry the fast food article went over your head. It had nothing to
do with working at a fast food joint and then finding other jobs in
other places. It had to do with the promises made to naive workers by
fast food restaurants, promises that they someday might rise to a
position of significance in the chain and maybe even own a franchise
restaurant. That's bull****. You aren't going to amass a million dollars
working for minimum wage or even double minimum wage.

Fast food jobs a dead end for those who want to get ahead
 

F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 7/27/13 9:18 PM, Tim wrote:
On Saturday, July 27, 2013 6:00:28 PM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Uncovering an industry's lies: Fast food offers few ways to get ahead





Press a fast food chain to pay better wages, and you'll hear some

version of this: "The restaurant industry is a launching pad" or

"[E]mployees who want to go from crew to management can take advantage

of a variety of training and other professional development

opportunities." ....



Ahh. Amerika...land of opportunity...for the rich to feed off the poor.


You miss-spelled 'America' Harry.

A High school classmate of mine, started working at Long John Silvers
while in High school, then went to be the manager, then DM. He quite
LJS and went to work as an innkeeper for a large Holiday Inn in the
upper Quad cities. Then perused a couple other ventures. Now he's a
CEO of a computer securities company which is a contractor to the US
gov't. BTW, the gov't has renewed his companies contract every two
years for the last 10. Not bad for a kid who started out broiling
fish...

Yep, all in the 'land of opportunity'



No, I didn't, but you misspelled misspelled.

This really isn't the United States of America anymore. It's become a
Kafkaesque novel.
You were leaving the country for Costa Rica, right? Maybe that was just
to avoid your delinquent taxes.

Fast food jobs a dead end for those who want to get ahead
 

On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 21:25:34 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

I'm sorry the fast food article went over your head. It had nothing to
do with working at a fast food joint and then finding other jobs in
other places. It had to do with the promises made to naive workers by
fast food restaurants, promises that they someday might rise to a
position of significance in the chain and maybe even own a franchise
restaurant. That's bull****. You aren't going to amass a million dollars
working for minimum wage or even double minimum wage.

===

So no one should work for the minimum wage because they can't make a
million dollars? That's ridiculous. No matter how high you make the
minimum wage it is still the minimum. How much do you think entry
level, low skill jobs should pay? When I was in college I cheerfully
worked at jobs that paid less than the minimum because I was happy to
have the extra pocket money. No one expects to make a career of it
except maybe you.

Fast food jobs a dead end for those who want to get ahead
 

On Saturday, July 27, 2013 8:25:34 PM UTC-5, Earl wrote:
On 7/27/13 9:18 PM, Tim wrote:

On Saturday, July 27, 2013 6:00:28 PM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:

Uncovering an industry's lies: Fast food offers few ways to get ahead











Press a fast food chain to pay better wages, and you'll hear some



version of this: "The restaurant industry is a launching pad" or



"[E]mployees who want to go from crew to management can take advantage



of a variety of training and other professional development



opportunities." ....







Ahh. Amerika...land of opportunity...for the rich to feed off the poor..





You miss-spelled 'America' Harry.



A High school classmate of mine, started working at Long John Silvers while in High school, then went to be the manager, then DM. He quite LJS and went to work as an innkeeper for a large Holiday Inn in the upper Quad cities. Then perused a couple other ventures. Now he's a CEO of a computer securities company which is a contractor to the US gov't. BTW, the gov't has renewed his companies contract every two years for the last 10. Not bad for a kid who started out broiling fish...



Yep, all in the 'land of opportunity'







I'm sorry the fast food article went over your head. It had nothing to

do with working at a fast food joint and then finding other jobs in

other places. It had to do with the promises made to naive workers by

fast food restaurants, promises that they someday might rise to a

position of significance in the chain and maybe even own a franchise

restaurant. That's bull****. You aren't going to amass a million dollars

working for minimum wage or even double minimum wage.

I'm sorry that you feel that anyone who works at fast food is a slave who is trapped because they supposedly have been promised the world.

Fast food jobs a dead end for those who want to get ahead
 

On Saturday, July 27, 2013 8:25:34 PM UTC-5, Earl wrote:

You aren't going to amass a million dollars

working for minimum wage or even double minimum wage.

How many 'drive-thru window' kids have you asked that thought they would?

Fast food jobs a dead end for those who want to get ahead
 

On 7/28/13 12:40 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 19:00:28 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Uncovering an industry's lies: Fast food offers few ways to get ahead


Press a fast food chain to pay better wages, and you'll hear some
version of this: "The restaurant industry is a launching pad" or
"[E]mployees who want to go from crew to management can take advantage
of a variety of training and other professional development
opportunities." Those statements, from the New York Restaurant
Association and McDonald's, sum up the argument: Fast food workers may
be making poverty wages now, but they could become managers! Owners! The
possibilities are limitless, so really there's no point in paying people
a living wage! Of course, it's not really true.

I spent a lot of time around fast food (Wendy's, Burger King and
Arbys)
I doubt anyone working there actually thinks they are doing it to get
rich.
You have 2 basic employees, young kids who are just making some money
while they are looking for another job and retired people who just
like being out of the house and are limited by SS about how much money
they can make (without paying taxes on the SS).
The average turnover rate is somewhere around 250% yet you have
employees who have been there for a decade.
People who have stayed around do get raises and they used to get
insurance (not sure now I have been away from it)

I don't get it but there are people who actually like that work.

OTOH if you get into the support end of the business you can make
pretty good money. (district managers, Maintenance directors and IT
people)



Apparently you and others here entirely missed the point of the article.
No surprise, eh?

Fast food jobs a dead end for those who want to get ahead
 

On 7/28/13 1:32 AM, Tim wrote:
On Saturday, July 27, 2013 8:25:34 PM UTC-5, Earl wrote:
On 7/27/13 9:18 PM, Tim wrote:

On Saturday, July 27, 2013 6:00:28 PM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:

Uncovering an industry's lies: Fast food offers few ways to get ahead











Press a fast food chain to pay better wages, and you'll hear some



version of this: "The restaurant industry is a launching pad" or



"[E]mployees who want to go from crew to management can take advantage



of a variety of training and other professional development



opportunities." ....







Ahh. Amerika...land of opportunity...for the rich to feed off the poor.





You miss-spelled 'America' Harry.



A High school classmate of mine, started working at Long John Silvers while in High school, then went to be the manager, then DM. He quite LJS and went to work as an innkeeper for a large Holiday Inn in the upper Quad cities. Then perused a couple other ventures. Now he's a CEO of a computer securities company which is a contractor to the US gov't. BTW, the gov't has renewed his companies contract every two years for the last 10. Not bad for a kid who started out broiling fish...



Yep, all in the 'land of opportunity'







I'm sorry the fast food article went over your head. It had nothing to

do with working at a fast food joint and then finding other jobs in

other places. It had to do with the promises made to naive workers by

fast food restaurants, promises that they someday might rise to a

position of significance in the chain and maybe even own a franchise

restaurant. That's bull****. You aren't going to amass a million dollars

working for minimum wage or even double minimum wage.

I'm sorry that you feel that anyone who works at fast food is a slave who is trapped because they supposedly have been promised the world.



Did I state or imply that? No, of course not. Next...

Fast food jobs a dead end for those who want to get ahead
 

On 7/28/2013 6:52 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 7/28/13 12:40 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 19:00:28 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Uncovering an industry's lies: Fast food offers few ways to get ahead


Press a fast food chain to pay better wages, and you'll hear some
version of this: "The restaurant industry is a launching pad" or
"[E]mployees who want to go from crew to management can take advantage
of a variety of training and other professional development
opportunities." Those statements, from the New York Restaurant
Association and McDonald's, sum up the argument: Fast food workers may
be making poverty wages now, but they could become managers! Owners! The
possibilities are limitless, so really there's no point in paying people
a living wage! Of course, it's not really true.

I spent a lot of time around fast food (Wendy's, Burger King and
Arbys)
I doubt anyone working there actually thinks they are doing it to get
rich.
You have 2 basic employees, young kids who are just making some money
while they are looking for another job and retired people who just
like being out of the house and are limited by SS about how much money
they can make (without paying taxes on the SS).
The average turnover rate is somewhere around 250% yet you have
employees who have been there for a decade.
People who have stayed around do get raises and they used to get
insurance (not sure now I have been away from it)

I don't get it but there are people who actually like that work.

OTOH if you get into the support end of the business you can make
pretty good money. (district managers, Maintenance directors and IT
people)



Apparently you and others here entirely missed the point of the article.
No surprise, eh?

You don't expect normal people to make sense of your brainwashrd
muttering, do you?

Fast food jobs a dead end for those who want to get ahead
 

maybe so, the article was pointless anyhow. But it id give you an excuse to write "Amerika"

Fast food jobs a dead end for those who want to get ahead
 

On Sunday, July 28, 2013 6:12:38 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 7/28/13 1:32 AM, Tim wrote:

On Saturday, July 27, 2013 8:25:34 PM UTC-5, Earl wrote:

On 7/27/13 9:18 PM, Tim wrote:



On Saturday, July 27, 2013 6:00:28 PM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:



Uncovering an industry's lies: Fast food offers few ways to get ahead























Press a fast food chain to pay better wages, and you'll hear some







version of this: "The restaurant industry is a launching pad" or







"[E]mployees who want to go from crew to management can take advantage







of a variety of training and other professional development







opportunities." ....















Ahh. Amerika...land of opportunity...for the rich to feed off the poor.











You miss-spelled 'America' Harry.







A High school classmate of mine, started working at Long John Silvers while in High school, then went to be the manager, then DM. He quite LJS and went to work as an innkeeper for a large Holiday Inn in the upper Quad cities. Then perused a couple other ventures. Now he's a CEO of a computer securities company which is a contractor to the US gov't. BTW, the gov't has renewed his companies contract every two years for the last 10. Not bad for a kid who started out broiling fish...







Yep, all in the 'land of opportunity'















I'm sorry the fast food article went over your head. It had nothing to



do with working at a fast food joint and then finding other jobs in



other places. It had to do with the promises made to naive workers by



fast food restaurants, promises that they someday might rise to a



position of significance in the chain and maybe even own a franchise



restaurant. That's bull****. You aren't going to amass a million dollars



working for minimum wage or even double minimum wage.



I'm sorry that you feel that anyone who works at fast food is a slave who is trapped because they supposedly have been promised the world.







Did I state or imply that? No, of course not. Next...

Sure you did. look at the title of your thread, and please review your article you posted.

page 2.

Fast food jobs a dead end for those who want to get ahead
 

On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 05:35:00 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

maybe so, the article was pointless anyhow. But it id give you an excuse to write "Amerika"

Well said.

John (Gun Nut) H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

Fast food jobs a dead end for those who want to get ahead
 

On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 19:00:28 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:


Uncovering an industry's lies: Fast food offers few ways to get ahead


Press a fast food chain to pay better wages, and you'll hear some
version of this: "The restaurant industry is a launching pad" or
"[E]mployees who want to go from crew to management can take advantage
of a variety of training and other professional development
opportunities." Those statements, from the New York Restaurant
Association and McDonald's, sum up the argument: Fast food workers may
be making poverty wages now, but they could become managers! Owners! The
possibilities are limitless, so really there's no point in paying people
a living wage! Of course, it's not really true.

A new report from the National Employment Law Project reveals just how
false that story of easy advancement is. In the United States as a
whole, 31 percent of jobs are managerial, professional, or technical. In
the fast food industry, it's 2.2 percent. Front-line
occupations—cashiers and fry cooks and the like—are 89.1 percent of fast
food jobs, and they pay a median wage of $8.94 an hour. That's less than
$18,600 for a year of full-time work, not that most of these jobs are
full-time. And what if you do get promoted? Most of those promotions are
to the 8.7 percent of fast food jobs that are first-line supervisors.
Those pay a median of $13.06.

If you want to be a franchise owner, you already have to be rich in most
cases. At the cheap end, you can get a Papa John's franchise if you have
a net worth of $150,000 and liquid assets of $50,000. But try saving
enough to buy one of those at $8.94 or even $13.06 an hour. And the next
cheapest major franchise is Dunkin Donuts, which requires you to have a
net worth of $500,000 and liquid assets of $250,000, and it goes up from
there. So, no, a low-wage fast food job is not the launching pad to
franchise ownership.

In other words, the fast food industry is the dead end you always
thought it was. The myths of mobility it tries to peddle to justify all
those low wages are just that: myths. The vast majority of fast food
jobs pay poverty wages, and there is no more a franchise ownership
coming for the workers struggling to make a living on pay that even
McDonald's indirectly acknowledges isn't enough to live on than there is
a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

http://tinyurl.com/ks3el99

- - -

Ahh. Amerika...land of opportunity...for the rich to feed off the poor.

I spent almost my entire high school career working at a fast food place (Garst's Drive In, Sedalia,
MO). I did fine.

So, again, your put-down of this country is meaningless drivel. Of course, Donnie will love it.

John (Gun Nut) H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

Fast food jobs a dead end for those who want to get ahead
 

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 19:00:28 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Uncovering an industry's lies: Fast food offers few ways to get ahead


Press a fast food chain to pay better wages, and you'll hear some
version of this: "The restaurant industry is a launching pad" or
"[E]mployees who want to go from crew to management can take advantage
of a variety of training and other professional development
opportunities." Those statements, from the New York Restaurant
Association and McDonald's, sum up the argument: Fast food workers may
be making poverty wages now, but they could become managers! Owners! The
possibilities are limitless, so really there's no point in paying people
a living wage! Of course, it's not really true.

I spent a lot of time around fast food (Wendy's, Burger King and
Arbys)
I doubt anyone working there actually thinks they are doing it to get
rich.
You have 2 basic employees, young kids who are just making some money
while they are looking for another job and retired people who just
like being out of the house and are limited by SS about how much money
they can make (without paying taxes on the SS).
The average turnover rate is somewhere around 250% yet you have
employees who have been there for a decade.
People who have stayed around do get raises and they used to get
insurance (not sure now I have been away from it)

I don't get it but there are people who actually like that work.

OTOH if you get into the support end of the business you can make
pretty good money. (district managers, Maintenance directors and IT
people)


You are correct. A friend of mine's niece didn't have college funds,
didn't want federal loans. At 17 out of high school she went to work at
the local McDonalds. She worked her way up through shift manager, etc.
while they paid her a fair amount of her community college tab. She
eventually became a regional manager, and made a pretty good living. As
far as I know she is still with McDonalds. One thing is, they reward
hard work and effort by advancement.

Fast food jobs a dead end for those who want to get ahead
 

Tim wrote:
On Saturday, July 27, 2013 8:25:34 PM UTC-5, Earl wrote:

You aren't going to amass a million dollars

working for minimum wage or even double minimum wage.
How many 'drive-thru window' kids have you asked that thought they would?

I've been misquoted!

Fast food jobs a dead end for those who want to get ahead
 

On Monday, July 29, 2013 7:32:10 PM UTC-5, Earl wrote:
Tim wrote:

On Saturday, July 27, 2013 8:25:34 PM UTC-5, Earl wrote:



You aren't going to amass a million dollars



working for minimum wage or even double minimum wage.

How many 'drive-thru window' kids have you asked that thought they would?



I've been misquoted!

No, it seems that you and Harry and must now have the same email address because "Earl" is on his posts a lot of the time now.

Fast food jobs a dead end for those who want to get ahead
 

Tim wrote:
On Monday, July 29, 2013 7:32:10 PM UTC-5, Earl wrote:
Tim wrote:

On Saturday, July 27, 2013 8:25:34 PM UTC-5, Earl wrote:



You aren't going to amass a million dollars



working for minimum wage or even double minimum wage.

How many 'drive-thru window' kids have you asked that thought they would?



I've been misquoted!

No, it seems that you and Harry and must now have the same email address
because "Earl" is on his posts a lot of the time now.

Earl clogs my filters and bozo bin but not as much as flajim. They
apparently think I will read the turds they excrete in here. Eisboxh is a
big fan of flajim. 😄

Fast food jobs a dead end for those who want to get ahead
 

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ...


Earl clogs my filters and bozo bin but not as much as flajim. They
apparently think I will read the turds they excrete in here. Eisboxh
is a
big fan of flajim. 😄

--------------------------------------

Harry, your baiting isn't going to work. I don't care what you
think of the fact that I have a friendship with Jim that goes back
many years.

You've posted a lot of bull**** about him (and probably others) that
you have no way of knowing. I *will* acknowledge that he gets a big
kick out of it however.

Many here have little respect for your style of trying to bully your
way around with your writing skills fueled by an enormous ego. It's
unfortunate that it appears to be all you have to offer in terms of
expertise.

I can say that with respect to a broader range of general knowledge
and capabilities, and without violating any trusts, ol' Jim has you
beat hands down.

Fast food jobs a dead end for those who want to get ahead
 

On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 23:04:51 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Many here have little respect for your style of trying to bully your
way around with your writing skills fueled by an enormous ego.

===

Harry's behavior is beginning to remind me of the changes we saw in
Skipper from Derby, Kansas before he went totally off the deep end. At
one time he had a sense of humor and could tell a decent story even if
slightly fictionalized. Towards the end there was nothing left but
bitterness and hate. Sad.

Fast food jobs a dead end for those who want to get ahead
 

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 23:04:51 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Many here have little respect for your style of trying to bully your
way around with your writing skills fueled by an enormous ego.

===

Harry's behavior is beginning to remind me of the changes we saw in
Skipper from Derby, Kansas before he went totally off the deep end. At
one time he had a sense of humor and could tell a decent story even if
slightly fictionalized. Towards the end there was nothing left but
bitterness and hate. Sad.

---------------------------------------

It could be frustration. I often see a similar attitude in many of
the left wing Democratic pundits that appear on the various cable TV
shows. It reflects an attitude that seems to say, "Hey, we won. We
have a mandate. We should be able to do anything we want. Those who
don't agree should just accept our agenda or STFU."

Reading his posts here, it's obvious that Harry is nothing but a
parrot of the official Democratic party line. Even his cute little
phrases and talking points are direct copies of those of the TV left
wing pundits. They must have an email mailing list of approved lefty
positions on the issues. When it comes to political issues and
debates I haven't seen any original or unique thoughts presented by
Harry. It's all the same stuff you see on the news.

He and his like can't accept that politics doesn't work that way, ergo
the frustration. bitterness, hate and name calling. The one I really
get a kick out of is the attempt to paint anyone with conservative
views as a "racist", simply because we have a black president. Give
me a break. That's the perfect form of prejudicial BS and is used
only because it is thought to be hard hitting and effective.

Fast food jobs a dead end for those who want to get ahead
 

On 7/29/13 11:04 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ...


Earl clogs my filters and bozo bin but not as much as flajim. They
apparently think I will read the turds they excrete in here. Eisboxh is a
big fan of flajim. 😄

--------------------------------------

Harry, your baiting isn't going to work. I don't care what you think
of the fact that I have a friendship with Jim that goes back many years.

You've posted a lot of bull**** about him (and probably others) that you
have no way of knowing. I *will* acknowledge that he gets a big kick
out of it however.

Many here have little respect for your style of trying to bully your way
around with your writing skills fueled by an enormous ego. It's
unfortunate that it appears to be all you have to offer in terms of
expertise.

I can say that with respect to a broader range of general knowledge and
capabilities, and without violating any trusts, ol' Jim has you beat
hands down.





I'm not baiting you. You've told me any number of times you are an
admirer of the "humor" and insults of your buddy, flajim. As for your
buddy's general knowledge and capabilities, I've seen little evidence of
it here. Apparently he used to work on outdrives and helped you with a
problem. Nowadays, he seems to work on getting off by posting mostly
insults all day long, which is why he is in my bozo bin.

We used to have a couple of boat dealers who shared technical
information and even a mechanic here, and the latter published articles
that demonstrated his knowledge. Their identities were known. They got
little here but insults from assholes like your good buddy, who hasn't
even the balls to do so with his identity known. He's a coward.

About the only person here these days whose advice beyond the
superficial I'd value for things engine and engine accessory related is
Tim. Fortunately, I know some top-notch boat mechanics in this area, so
when I have questions, I ask them.

Now, notice that while I have no respect for your friend, I have, as
usual, made no personal comments about you.

Oh. Respect. This is a trash newsgroup, and is not a place I'd come to
for "respect."

Fast food jobs a dead end for those who want to get ahead
 

On 7/30/13 5:56 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 23:04:51 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Many here have little respect for your style of trying to bully your
way around with your writing skills fueled by an enormous ego.

===

Harry's behavior is beginning to remind me of the changes we saw in
Skipper from Derby, Kansas before he went totally off the deep end. At
one time he had a sense of humor and could tell a decent story even if
slightly fictionalized. Towards the end there was nothing left but
bitterness and hate. Sad.

---------------------------------------

It could be frustration. I often see a similar attitude in many of the
left wing Democratic pundits that appear on the various cable TV shows.
It reflects an attitude that seems to say, "Hey, we won. We have a
mandate. We should be able to do anything we want. Those who don't
agree should just accept our agenda or STFU."

Reading his posts here, it's obvious that Harry is nothing but a parrot
of the official Democratic party line. Even his cute little phrases and
talking points are direct copies of those of the TV left wing pundits.
They must have an email mailing list of approved lefty positions on the
issues. When it comes to political issues and debates I haven't seen
any original or unique thoughts presented by Harry. It's all the same
stuff you see on the news.

He and his like can't accept that politics doesn't work that way, ergo
the frustration. bitterness, hate and name calling. The one I really
get a kick out of is the attempt to paint anyone with conservative views
as a "racist", simply because we have a black president. Give me a
break. That's the perfect form of prejudicial BS and is used only
because it is thought to be hard hitting and effective.



Thanks for the giggles. I've posted here a million times I don't think
this trashy newsgroup is the place to post anything original or
significant. It's rec.boats, the hangout of mostly right-wing political
wannabes and racists. What would be the point of writing and posting
something political that is thoughtful and incisive? As soon as it was
posted, the usual right-wing suspects here would misread it, trash it,
and insult the poster.

Carry on. The righties here have the newsgroup they want. I just read
what I read here for ****s and giggles.

Fast food jobs a dead end for those who want to get ahead
 

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
...


We used to have a couple of boat dealers who shared technical
information and even a mechanic here, and the latter published
articles
that demonstrated his knowledge. Their identities were known. They got
little here but insults from assholes like your good buddy, who hasn't
even the balls to do so with his identity known. He's a coward.

------------------------------

Bull. Back when rec.boats was a decent boating newsgroup Jim
contributed appropriately and respectfully. He shared his knowledge
and opinions in troubleshooting problems others were experiencing and
would also acknowledge when he was wrong. It's tough to define a
problem remotely and not everyone can do it.

It's only when this newsgroup started heading for the crapper that his
tone changed. I think he's here now for the entertainment value,
like you.

-----------------------------------


Oh. Respect. This is a trash newsgroup, and is not a place I'd come to
for "respect."

--------------------------------

That has become obvious.

Fast food jobs a dead end for those who want to get ahead
 

On 7/30/13 7:37 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
...


We used to have a couple of boat dealers who shared technical
information and even a mechanic here, and the latter published articles
that demonstrated his knowledge. Their identities were known. They got
little here but insults from assholes like your good buddy, who hasn't
even the balls to do so with his identity known. He's a coward.

------------------------------

Bull. Back when rec.boats was a decent boating newsgroup Jim
contributed appropriately and respectfully. He shared his knowledge and
opinions in troubleshooting problems others were experiencing and would
also acknowledge when he was wrong. It's tough to define a problem
remotely and not everyone can do it.

It's only when this newsgroup started heading for the crapper that his
tone changed. I think he's here now for the entertainment value, like
you.

-----------------------------------


Oh. Respect. This is a trash newsgroup, and is not a place I'd come to
for "respect."

--------------------------------

That has become obvious.




Back when rec.boats was a decent boating newsgroup? You mean, in the
early 1990's? I simply don't recall any posts by your buddy of the sort
you describe. I remember good tech info from the Canadian boat dealer,
the Florida guy who was a mechanic and wrote articles for boating pubs,
the guy who fixed old Mercuries (Clams something or other) and one or
two others.

It's funny that this is being posted in the fast foods article, the
point of which was completely missed. The article wasn't about how
teenagers are being victimized by their part-time after school fast food
employment, but that's the way the naysayers here took it. The article
was about how adults, the naive and inexperienced, are taken in by the
fast food outfits and told they can work their way into decent,
managerial level jobs when the reality is that there are very very few
of these, and most of the store-level jobs, even the so-called
managerial ones, still pay **** wages.

Notice that while I disagree with your points, I didn't insult you or
make it personal. :)

Fast food jobs a dead end for those who want to get ahead
 

On 7/30/2013 7:53 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 7/30/13 7:37 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
...


We used to have a couple of boat dealers who shared technical
information and even a mechanic here, and the latter published articles
that demonstrated his knowledge. Their identities were known. They got
little here but insults from assholes like your good buddy, who hasn't
even the balls to do so with his identity known. He's a coward.

------------------------------

Bull. Back when rec.boats was a decent boating newsgroup Jim
contributed appropriately and respectfully. He shared his knowledge and
opinions in troubleshooting problems others were experiencing and would
also acknowledge when he was wrong. It's tough to define a problem
remotely and not everyone can do it.

It's only when this newsgroup started heading for the crapper that his
tone changed. I think he's here now for the entertainment value, like
you.

-----------------------------------


Oh. Respect. This is a trash newsgroup, and is not a place I'd come to
for "respect."

--------------------------------

That has become obvious.




Back when rec.boats was a decent boating newsgroup? You mean, in the
early 1990's? I simply don't recall any posts by your buddy of the sort
you describe. I remember good tech info from the Canadian boat dealer,
the Florida guy who was a mechanic and wrote articles for boating pubs,
the guy who fixed old Mercuries (Clams something or other) and one or
two others.

It's funny that this is being posted in the fast foods article, the
point of which was completely missed. The article wasn't about how
teenagers are being victimized by their part-time after school fast food
employment, but that's the way the naysayers here took it. The article
was about how adults, the naive and inexperienced, are taken in by the
fast food outfits and told they can work their way into decent,
managerial level jobs when the reality is that there are very very few
of these, and most of the store-level jobs, even the so-called
managerial ones, still pay **** wages.

Notice that while I disagree with your points, I didn't insult you or
make it personal. :)



Quick question. When pluralizing a proper name that ends in "Y", are you
supposed to drop the Y and add "IES"

You are doing a magnificent job of walking over smouldering coals.
I hope you don't consider this as an insult. ;-)

Fast food jobs a dead end for those who want to get ahead
 

On 7/29/2013 11:57 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 23:04:51 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Many here have little respect for your style of trying to bully your
way around with your writing skills fueled by an enormous ego.

===

Harry's behavior is beginning to remind me of the changes we saw in
Skipper from Derby, Kansas before he went totally off the deep end. At
one time he had a sense of humor and could tell a decent story even if
slightly fictionalized. Towards the end there was nothing left but
bitterness and hate. Sad.


It was YKW who triggered Skipper's apparent meltdown.

Fast food jobs a dead end for those who want to get ahead
 

On 7/30/2013 6:49 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
I just read what I read here for ****s and giggles.

Psssst............ You're getting IT all over you.

Fast food jobs a dead end for those who want to get ahead
 

On 7/30/2013 7:37 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
...


We used to have a couple of boat dealers who shared technical
information and even a mechanic here, and the latter published articles
that demonstrated his knowledge. Their identities were known. They got
little here but insults from assholes like your good buddy, who hasn't
even the balls to do so with his identity known. He's a coward.

------------------------------

Bull. Back when rec.boats was a decent boating newsgroup Jim
contributed appropriately and respectfully. He shared his knowledge and
opinions in troubleshooting problems others were experiencing and would
also acknowledge when he was wrong. It's tough to define a problem
remotely and not everyone can do it.

It's only when this newsgroup started heading for the crapper that his
tone changed. I think he's here now for the entertainment value, like
you.

-----------------------------------


Oh. Respect. This is a trash newsgroup, and is not a place I'd come to
for "respect."

--------------------------------

That has become obvious.




Harry spent the last 15 years creating his sewer to play in... not much
of an accomplishment really.

Fast food jobs a dead end for those who want to get ahead
 

On 7/30/13 9:48 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 7/30/2013 7:37 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
...


We used to have a couple of boat dealers who shared technical
information and even a mechanic here, and the latter published articles
that demonstrated his knowledge. Their identities were known. They got
little here but insults from assholes like your good buddy, who hasn't
even the balls to do so with his identity known. He's a coward.

------------------------------

Bull. Back when rec.boats was a decent boating newsgroup Jim
contributed appropriately and respectfully. He shared his knowledge and
opinions in troubleshooting problems others were experiencing and would
also acknowledge when he was wrong. It's tough to define a problem
remotely and not everyone can do it.

It's only when this newsgroup started heading for the crapper that his
tone changed. I think he's here now for the entertainment value, like
you.

-----------------------------------


Oh. Respect. This is a trash newsgroup, and is not a place I'd come to
for "respect."

--------------------------------

That has become obvious.




Harry spent the last 15 years creating his sewer to play in... not much
of an accomplishment really.


So, how's your girl racer doing so far this season? Any amateur class
victories of substance?

Fast food jobs a dead end for those who want to get ahead
 

In article ,
says...

On 7/30/2013 7:37 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
...


We used to have a couple of boat dealers who shared technical
information and even a mechanic here, and the latter published articles
that demonstrated his knowledge. Their identities were known. They got
little here but insults from assholes like your good buddy, who hasn't
even the balls to do so with his identity known. He's a coward.

------------------------------

Bull. Back when rec.boats was a decent boating newsgroup Jim
contributed appropriately and respectfully. He shared his knowledge and
opinions in troubleshooting problems others were experiencing and would
also acknowledge when he was wrong. It's tough to define a problem
remotely and not everyone can do it.

It's only when this newsgroup started heading for the crapper that his
tone changed. I think he's here now for the entertainment value, like
you.

-----------------------------------


Oh. Respect. This is a trash newsgroup, and is not a place I'd come to
for "respect."

--------------------------------

That has become obvious.




Harry spent the last 15 years creating his sewer to play in... not much
of an accomplishment really.

And you didn't?

Fast food jobs a dead end for those who want to get ahead
 

On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 08:20:58 -0400, Hank© wrote:

On 7/30/2013 7:53 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 7/30/13 7:37 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
...


We used to have a couple of boat dealers who shared technical
information and even a mechanic here, and the latter published articles
that demonstrated his knowledge. Their identities were known. They got
little here but insults from assholes like your good buddy, who hasn't
even the balls to do so with his identity known. He's a coward.

------------------------------

Bull. Back when rec.boats was a decent boating newsgroup Jim
contributed appropriately and respectfully. He shared his knowledge and
opinions in troubleshooting problems others were experiencing and would
also acknowledge when he was wrong. It's tough to define a problem
remotely and not everyone can do it.

It's only when this newsgroup started heading for the crapper that his
tone changed. I think he's here now for the entertainment value, like
you.

-----------------------------------


Oh. Respect. This is a trash newsgroup, and is not a place I'd come to
for "respect."

--------------------------------

That has become obvious.




Back when rec.boats was a decent boating newsgroup? You mean, in the
early 1990's? I simply don't recall any posts by your buddy of the sort
you describe. I remember good tech info from the Canadian boat dealer,
the Florida guy who was a mechanic and wrote articles for boating pubs,
the guy who fixed old Mercuries (Clams something or other) and one or
two others.

It's funny that this is being posted in the fast foods article, the
point of which was completely missed. The article wasn't about how
teenagers are being victimized by their part-time after school fast food
employment, but that's the way the naysayers here took it. The article
was about how adults, the naive and inexperienced, are taken in by the
fast food outfits and told they can work their way into decent,
managerial level jobs when the reality is that there are very very few
of these, and most of the store-level jobs, even the so-called
managerial ones, still pay **** wages.

Notice that while I disagree with your points, I didn't insult you or
make it personal. :)



Quick question. When pluralizing a proper name that ends in "Y", are you
supposed to drop the Y and add "IES"

You are doing a magnificent job of walking over smouldering coals.
I hope you don't consider this as an insult. ;-)

No, just add an 's'. If you drop the 'y' and add 'ie' you've feminized the name, which may or may
not be appropriate, depending on the circumstances and one's ability to back a trailer.

John (Gun Nut) H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

Fast food jobs a dead end for those who want to get ahead
 

On 7/30/2013 1:44 PM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 08:20:58 -0400, Hank© wrote:

On 7/30/2013 7:53 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 7/30/13 7:37 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
...


We used to have a couple of boat dealers who shared technical
information and even a mechanic here, and the latter published articles
that demonstrated his knowledge. Their identities were known. They got
little here but insults from assholes like your good buddy, who hasn't
even the balls to do so with his identity known. He's a coward.

------------------------------

Bull. Back when rec.boats was a decent boating newsgroup Jim
contributed appropriately and respectfully. He shared his knowledge and
opinions in troubleshooting problems others were experiencing and would
also acknowledge when he was wrong. It's tough to define a problem
remotely and not everyone can do it.

It's only when this newsgroup started heading for the crapper that his
tone changed. I think he's here now for the entertainment value, like
you.

-----------------------------------


Oh. Respect. This is a trash newsgroup, and is not a place I'd come to
for "respect."

--------------------------------

That has become obvious.




Back when rec.boats was a decent boating newsgroup? You mean, in the
early 1990's? I simply don't recall any posts by your buddy of the sort
you describe. I remember good tech info from the Canadian boat dealer,
the Florida guy who was a mechanic and wrote articles for boating pubs,
the guy who fixed old Mercuries (Clams something or other) and one or
two others.

It's funny that this is being posted in the fast foods article, the
point of which was completely missed. The article wasn't about how
teenagers are being victimized by their part-time after school fast food
employment, but that's the way the naysayers here took it. The article
was about how adults, the naive and inexperienced, are taken in by the
fast food outfits and told they can work their way into decent,
managerial level jobs when the reality is that there are very very few
of these, and most of the store-level jobs, even the so-called
managerial ones, still pay **** wages.

Notice that while I disagree with your points, I didn't insult you or
make it personal. :)



Quick question. When pluralizing a proper name that ends in "Y", are you
supposed to drop the Y and add "IES"

You are doing a magnificent job of walking over smouldering coals.
I hope you don't consider this as an insult. ;-)

No, just add an 's'. If you drop the 'y' and add 'ie' you've feminized the name, which may or may
not be appropriate, depending on the circumstances and one's ability to back a trailer.

John (Gun Nut) H.

;-)

Fast food jobs a dead end for those who want to get ahead
 

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 08:20:58 -0400, Hank© wrote:

On 7/30/2013 7:53 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 7/30/13 7:37 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
...


We used to have a couple of boat dealers who shared technical
information and even a mechanic here, and the latter published articles
that demonstrated his knowledge. Their identities were known. They got
little here but insults from assholes like your good buddy, who hasn't
even the balls to do so with his identity known. He's a coward.

------------------------------

Bull. Back when rec.boats was a decent boating newsgroup Jim
contributed appropriately and respectfully. He shared his knowledge and
opinions in troubleshooting problems others were experiencing and would
also acknowledge when he was wrong. It's tough to define a problem
remotely and not everyone can do it.

It's only when this newsgroup started heading for the crapper that his
tone changed. I think he's here now for the entertainment value, like
you.

-----------------------------------


Oh. Respect. This is a trash newsgroup, and is not a place I'd come to
for "respect."

--------------------------------

That has become obvious.




Back when rec.boats was a decent boating newsgroup? You mean, in the
early 1990's? I simply don't recall any posts by your buddy of the sort
you describe. I remember good tech info from the Canadian boat dealer,
the Florida guy who was a mechanic and wrote articles for boating pubs,
the guy who fixed old Mercuries (Clams something or other) and one or
two others.

It's funny that this is being posted in the fast foods article, the
point of which was completely missed. The article wasn't about how
teenagers are being victimized by their part-time after school fast food
employment, but that's the way the naysayers here took it. The article
was about how adults, the naive and inexperienced, are taken in by the
fast food outfits and told they can work their way into decent,
managerial level jobs when the reality is that there are very very few
of these, and most of the store-level jobs, even the so-called
managerial ones, still pay **** wages.

Notice that while I disagree with your points, I didn't insult you or
make it personal. :)



Quick question. When pluralizing a proper name that ends in "Y", are you
supposed to drop the Y and add "IES"

You are doing a magnificent job of walking over smouldering coals.
I hope you don't consider this as an insult. ;-)

No, just add an 's'. If you drop the 'y' and add 'ie' you've feminized the name, which may or may
not be appropriate, depending on the circumstances and one's ability to back a trailer.

John (Gun Nut) H.

Just what does backing a trailer have to do with femininity or lack of?

Fast food jobs a dead end for those who want to get ahead
 

On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 14:19:43 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 08:20:58 -0400, Hank© wrote:

On 7/30/2013 7:53 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 7/30/13 7:37 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
...


We used to have a couple of boat dealers who shared technical
information and even a mechanic here, and the latter published articles
that demonstrated his knowledge. Their identities were known. They got
little here but insults from assholes like your good buddy, who hasn't
even the balls to do so with his identity known. He's a coward.

------------------------------

Bull. Back when rec.boats was a decent boating newsgroup Jim
contributed appropriately and respectfully. He shared his knowledge and
opinions in troubleshooting problems others were experiencing and would
also acknowledge when he was wrong. It's tough to define a problem
remotely and not everyone can do it.

It's only when this newsgroup started heading for the crapper that his
tone changed. I think he's here now for the entertainment value, like
you.

-----------------------------------


Oh. Respect. This is a trash newsgroup, and is not a place I'd come to
for "respect."

--------------------------------

That has become obvious.




Back when rec.boats was a decent boating newsgroup? You mean, in the
early 1990's? I simply don't recall any posts by your buddy of the sort
you describe. I remember good tech info from the Canadian boat dealer,
the Florida guy who was a mechanic and wrote articles for boating pubs,
the guy who fixed old Mercuries (Clams something or other) and one or
two others.

It's funny that this is being posted in the fast foods article, the
point of which was completely missed. The article wasn't about how
teenagers are being victimized by their part-time after school fast food
employment, but that's the way the naysayers here took it. The article
was about how adults, the naive and inexperienced, are taken in by the
fast food outfits and told they can work their way into decent,
managerial level jobs when the reality is that there are very very few
of these, and most of the store-level jobs, even the so-called
managerial ones, still pay **** wages.

Notice that while I disagree with your points, I didn't insult you or
make it personal. :)



Quick question. When pluralizing a proper name that ends in "Y", are you
supposed to drop the Y and add "IES"

You are doing a magnificent job of walking over smouldering coals.
I hope you don't consider this as an insult. ;-)

No, just add an 's'. If you drop the 'y' and add 'ie' you've feminized the name, which may or may
not be appropriate, depending on the circumstances and one's ability to back a trailer.

John (Gun Nut) H.

Just what does backing a trailer have to do with femininity or lack of?


;)

John (Gun Nut) H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

Fast food jobs a dead end for those who want to get ahead
 

F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 7/30/13 5:56 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 23:04:51 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Many here have little respect for your style of trying to bully your
way around with your writing skills fueled by an enormous ego.

===

Harry's behavior is beginning to remind me of the changes we saw in
Skipper from Derby, Kansas before he went totally off the deep end. At
one time he had a sense of humor and could tell a decent story even if
slightly fictionalized. Towards the end there was nothing left but
bitterness and hate. Sad.

---------------------------------------

It could be frustration. I often see a similar attitude in many of the
left wing Democratic pundits that appear on the various cable TV shows.
It reflects an attitude that seems to say, "Hey, we won. We have a
mandate. We should be able to do anything we want. Those who don't
agree should just accept our agenda or STFU."

Reading his posts here, it's obvious that Harry is nothing but a parrot
of the official Democratic party line. Even his cute little phrases and
talking points are direct copies of those of the TV left wing pundits.
They must have an email mailing list of approved lefty positions on the
issues. When it comes to political issues and debates I haven't seen
any original or unique thoughts presented by Harry. It's all the same
stuff you see on the news.

He and his like can't accept that politics doesn't work that way, ergo
the frustration. bitterness, hate and name calling. The one I really
get a kick out of is the attempt to paint anyone with conservative views
as a "racist", simply because we have a black president. Give me a
break. That's the perfect form of prejudicial BS and is used only
because it is thought to be hard hitting and effective.



Thanks for the giggles. I've posted here a million times I don't think
this trashy newsgroup is the place to post anything original or
significant. It's rec.boats, the hangout of mostly right-wing
political wannabes and racists. What would be the point of writing and
posting something political that is thoughtful and incisive? As soon
as it was posted, the usual right-wing suspects here would misread it,
trash it, and insult the poster.

Carry on. The righties here have the newsgroup they want. I just read
what I read here for ****s and giggles.
No, you post OT political BS constantly. You don't "just read here",
deadbeat.