"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 7/28/13 10:39 AM, wrote:
On Sunday, July 28, 2013 12:52:53 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 18:54:46 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



On 7/27/13 6:26 PM, wrote:



Of course electricians and licensed solar contractors will do

everything they can to stop DIY installers.

The government is on their side, denying any rebates to an unlicensed

installs.



Good. Licensed electricians and contractors are the ones who should be

doing the work. I thought you only had a hard-on against college

educated individuals, but I see you have no use for those who spend

years learning a trade and being responsible for their work.



Careful now, you are in over your depth again.



They do sell O/L listed, plug and play solar collectors

(Westinghouse/Akeena is one)

These come with a NEMA 5-15 plug, you just mount the collector on any

surface that faces the sun and plug it in to a handy receptacle.



Why would you need an electrician or solar contractor for that?


At trade shows we have to hire the union guys to PLUG IN THE BOOTH
LIGHTS AND EQUIPMENT. It's against union rules for us (electronic
engineers) to plug in AC power cords ourselves.

This kind of BS is exactly why Detroit is bankrupt, and there is no
manufacturing in the US anymore.


Oh, right. It has nothing to do with American manufacturers wanting to
pay $2.00 a day for labor.

Oh, most convention centers want their people or contractors to do the
work so as to avoid additional liability i$$ue$ caused by morons who
don't handle electrical hookups properly or safely, or fall off ladders, et cetera.

Wait, wait, maybe the convention centers should have special rules for
special "electronic engineers" like you, and separate rules for floor sweepers like Scotty.

What the ****! Plugging in a standard wall plug, even a liberal arts major
can handle that. This is not wiring in junction boxes, this is a standard
house plug that is being plugged in to a receptacle that is already there
via a union electrician. Does the next union electrician need to be there
to check the first ones work?

In article 574174210396721821.042074bmckeenospam-
, says...

"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 7/28/13 10:39 AM, wrote:
On Sunday, July 28, 2013 12:52:53 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 18:54:46 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



On 7/27/13 6:26 PM, wrote:



Of course electricians and licensed solar contractors will do

everything they can to stop DIY installers.

The government is on their side, denying any rebates to an unlicensed

installs.



Good. Licensed electricians and contractors are the ones who should be

doing the work. I thought you only had a hard-on against college

educated individuals, but I see you have no use for those who spend

years learning a trade and being responsible for their work.



Careful now, you are in over your depth again.



They do sell O/L listed, plug and play solar collectors

(Westinghouse/Akeena is one)

These come with a NEMA 5-15 plug, you just mount the collector on any

surface that faces the sun and plug it in to a handy receptacle.



Why would you need an electrician or solar contractor for that?


At trade shows we have to hire the union guys to PLUG IN THE BOOTH
LIGHTS AND EQUIPMENT. It's against union rules for us (electronic
engineers) to plug in AC power cords ourselves.

This kind of BS is exactly why Detroit is bankrupt, and there is no
manufacturing in the US anymore.


Oh, right. It has nothing to do with American manufacturers wanting to
pay $2.00 a day for labor.

Oh, most convention centers want their people or contractors to do the
work so as to avoid additional liability i$$ue$ caused by morons who
don't handle electrical hookups properly or safely, or fall off ladders, et cetera.

Wait, wait, maybe the convention centers should have special rules for
special "electronic engineers" like you, and separate rules for floor sweepers like Scotty.

What the ****! Plugging in a standard wall plug, even a liberal arts major
can handle that.

Maybe.

This is not wiring in junction boxes, this is a standard
house plug that is being plugged in to a receptacle that is already there
via a union electrician. Does the next union electrician need to be there
to check the first ones work?

I think that in this day and age, if a person can't do some simple
wiring tasks, they shouldn't have electricity.

On 7/28/2013 12:54 PM, Califbill wrote:
Does the next union electrician need to be there
to check the first ones work?

Now that's a great idea.

On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 16:44:26 -0400, Hank©
wrote:

On 7/28/2013 12:54 PM, Califbill wrote:
Does the next union electrician need to be there
to check the first ones work?

Now that's a great idea.

===

We used to have a joke in the IT business that the ideal data center
would have a staff of two: One operator and one dog.



Q. So you might ask what the dog is for?

A. To make sure the operator doesn't touch anything.



That will be the factory of the future also.

On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 17:54:36 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 16:44:26 -0400, Hank©
wrote:

On 7/28/2013 12:54 PM, Califbill wrote:
Does the next union electrician need to be there
to check the first ones work?

Now that's a great idea.

===

We used to have a joke in the IT business that the ideal data center
would have a staff of two: One operator and one dog.



Q. So you might ask what the dog is for?

A. To make sure the operator doesn't touch anything.



That will be the factory of the future also.

The libtards will try to make sure the dog is a union member.

John (Gun Nut) H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 18:05:50 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 17:54:36 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 16:44:26 -0400, Hank©
wrote:

On 7/28/2013 12:54 PM, Califbill wrote:
Does the next union electrician need to be there
to check the first ones work?

Now that's a great idea.

===

We used to have a joke in the IT business that the ideal data center
would have a staff of two: One operator and one dog.



Q. So you might ask what the dog is for?

A. To make sure the operator doesn't touch anything.



That will be the factory of the future also.

The libtards will try to make sure the dog is a union member.


============

Not all liberals are retarded, only the knee jerk variety - same for
conservatives also.

In any case, no problem if the dog is union assuming he gets paid only
for the work he does, no credit for just showing up.

In article ,
says...

"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 7/28/13 10:39 AM, wrote:
On Sunday, July 28, 2013 12:52:53 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 18:54:46 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



On 7/27/13 6:26 PM, wrote:



Of course electricians and licensed solar contractors will do

everything they can to stop DIY installers.

The government is on their side, denying any rebates to an unlicensed

installs.



Good. Licensed electricians and contractors are the ones who should be

doing the work. I thought you only had a hard-on against college

educated individuals, but I see you have no use for those who spend

years learning a trade and being responsible for their work.



Careful now, you are in over your depth again.



They do sell O/L listed, plug and play solar collectors

(Westinghouse/Akeena is one)

These come with a NEMA 5-15 plug, you just mount the collector on any

surface that faces the sun and plug it in to a handy receptacle.



Why would you need an electrician or solar contractor for that?


At trade shows we have to hire the union guys to PLUG IN THE BOOTH
LIGHTS AND EQUIPMENT. It's against union rules for us (electronic
engineers) to plug in AC power cords ourselves.

This kind of BS is exactly why Detroit is bankrupt, and there is no
manufacturing in the US anymore.


Oh, right. It has nothing to do with American manufacturers wanting to
pay $2.00 a day for labor.

Oh, most convention centers want their people or contractors to do the
work so as to avoid additional liability i$$ue$ caused by morons who
don't handle electrical hookups properly or safely, or fall off ladders, et cetera.

Wait, wait, maybe the convention centers should have special rules for
special "electronic engineers" like you, and separate rules for floor sweepers like Scotty.

What the ****! Plugging in a standard wall plug, even a liberal arts major
can handle that. This is not wiring in junction boxes, this is a standard
house plug that is being plugged in to a receptacle that is already there
via a union electrician. Does the next union electrician need to be there
to check the first ones work?

If the unions had it their way we would all be calling them every time someone wanted to plug
in a hair dryer, toaster or iPhone charger due to the highly technical nature of pushhing a
plug into a socket.

On 7/31/2013 8:31 AM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 7/28/13 10:39 AM, wrote:
On Sunday, July 28, 2013 12:52:53 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 18:54:46 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



On 7/27/13 6:26 PM, wrote:



Of course electricians and licensed solar contractors will do

everything they can to stop DIY installers.

The government is on their side, denying any rebates to an unlicensed

installs.



Good. Licensed electricians and contractors are the ones who should be

doing the work. I thought you only had a hard-on against college

educated individuals, but I see you have no use for those who spend

years learning a trade and being responsible for their work.



Careful now, you are in over your depth again.



They do sell O/L listed, plug and play solar collectors

(Westinghouse/Akeena is one)

These come with a NEMA 5-15 plug, you just mount the collector on any

surface that faces the sun and plug it in to a handy receptacle.



Why would you need an electrician or solar contractor for that?


At trade shows we have to hire the union guys to PLUG IN THE BOOTH
LIGHTS AND EQUIPMENT. It's against union rules for us (electronic
engineers) to plug in AC power cords ourselves.

This kind of BS is exactly why Detroit is bankrupt, and there is no
manufacturing in the US anymore.


Oh, right. It has nothing to do with American manufacturers wanting to
pay $2.00 a day for labor.

Oh, most convention centers want their people or contractors to do the
work so as to avoid additional liability i$$ue$ caused by morons who
don't handle electrical hookups properly or safely, or fall off ladders, et cetera.

Wait, wait, maybe the convention centers should have special rules for
special "electronic engineers" like you, and separate rules for floor sweepers like Scotty.

What the ****! Plugging in a standard wall plug, even a liberal arts major
can handle that. This is not wiring in junction boxes, this is a standard
house plug that is being plugged in to a receptacle that is already there
via a union electrician. Does the next union electrician need to be there
to check the first ones work?

If the unions had it their way we would all be calling them every time someone wanted to plug
in a hair dryer, toaster or iPhone charger due to the highly technical nature of pushhing a
plug into a socket.


Where were the union plug inserters when I needed them. Back in the day
when I was servicing electric adding machines, I was in an older
building on a call and discovered that the patients umbilical cord was
unplugged. When I plugged it in and the electrical marvel still didn't
work, I went for the fuse. Turns out it was a DC outlet which looked
exactly like an AC outlet.