"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ...


It's always a chuckle when those without college degrees knock
those who
have them.


I always chuckle when guys who went into the navy instead of college
and
have no B.A. or B.S. knock on the doors of the houses in the 'hood and
ask if they can pump out the septic tanks or clear out the brush. We
have a contractor for the former who comes by every couple of years to
check on the septic tanks and pump them out if needed.

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Union trained, of course.

I don't know what has happened to you over the years Harry. I've
been a subscriber to rec.boats since 1995 .... that's 18 years ago.
You've were always an advocate of unions (probably because for at
least a while most of your bread and butter came from supporting union
activities) but you were never so dismissive or outright negative
about people who choose other paths in life.

Same with education and college. You are obviously very proud of
your multiple degrees but that doesn't mean that those who didn't
focus on academia and chose to get the education required for a
specific type of job aren't just as accomplished or smart as you think
you are. In fact, given what doors your educational background would
open for you for right now, a technical degree or a specialized
vocational school diploma would be far more useful if you were just
starting out in your working career.

Although you love to be critical of your perceived lack of education
or qualification in others, statistics prove you wrong.

Roughly 70 percent of the population today do not have a college
degree. A higher percentage are not members of any unions.
There are plenty of highly skilled, well trained tradespeople making a
good living without benefit of a union.
Same is true of people who didn't go to college and either learned a
trade or learned by doing the requirements for "professional" level
jobs ... company managers, accountants, even presidents.

Are they all to be scoffed at by someone like you who's apparent main
achievement in life was obtaining a couple of degrees?

I am really sorry to see you becoming so intolerant in your more
advanced years. You weren't like this 18 years ago. It's really the
time to chill out, relax a bit and start developing an appreciation
for the achievements of others, even if it was just plugging away,
raising a family and trying to survive.

My father-in-law doesn't have much of an education. He grew up in
East Boston and left school in the sixth grade.
After WWII he got married, worked several jobs, moved to the suburbs,
bought a house and raised two fine girls while plugging away working
all his life. He never wanted more than he could afford, never had a
credit card and never had a car payment. His only debt was the house
he bought and he paid it off early. He had old, beater boats that he
fixed up himself and enjoyed his life. He's still around, at 90 years
old.

My father went to school after WWII, became an engineer in the field
of non-destructive testing and also got married and raised three kids.
He travelled often, became involved in some major projects in
aerospace, defense and commercial programs that were often stressfull.
Like my father-in-law, he worked hard, mostly for the benefit of his
family. He died when he was 72, three years into "retirement".

When I was about 50 it finally dawned on me that each in their own way
were successful, accomplished men, regardless of the level of their
respective educations.

You really need to chill out and enjoy whatever time you have left on
this planet.

On 7/26/13 2:39 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ...


It's always a chuckle when those without college degrees knock those who
have them.


I always chuckle when guys who went into the navy instead of college and
have no B.A. or B.S. knock on the doors of the houses in the 'hood and
ask if they can pump out the septic tanks or clear out the brush. We
have a contractor for the former who comes by every couple of years to
check on the septic tanks and pump them out if needed.

-------------------------------

Union trained, of course.

I don't know what has happened to you over the years Harry. I've been
a subscriber to rec.boats since 1995 .... that's 18 years ago. You've
were always an advocate of unions (probably because for at least a while
most of your bread and butter came from supporting union activities)
but you were never so dismissive or outright negative about people who
choose other paths in life.

Same with education and college. You are obviously very proud of your
multiple degrees but that doesn't mean that those who didn't focus on
academia and chose to get the education required for a specific type of
job aren't just as accomplished or smart as you think you are. In
fact, given what doors your educational background would open for you
for right now, a technical degree or a specialized vocational school
diploma would be far more useful if you were just starting out in your
working career.

Although you love to be critical of your perceived lack of education or
qualification in others, statistics prove you wrong.

Roughly 70 percent of the population today do not have a college
degree. A higher percentage are not members of any unions.
There are plenty of highly skilled, well trained tradespeople making a
good living without benefit of a union.
Same is true of people who didn't go to college and either learned a
trade or learned by doing the requirements for "professional" level
jobs ... company managers, accountants, even presidents.

Are they all to be scoffed at by someone like you who's apparent main
achievement in life was obtaining a couple of degrees?

I am really sorry to see you becoming so intolerant in your more
advanced years. You weren't like this 18 years ago. It's really the
time to chill out, relax a bit and start developing an appreciation for
the achievements of others, even if it was just plugging away, raising a
family and trying to survive.

My father-in-law doesn't have much of an education. He grew up in East
Boston and left school in the sixth grade.
After WWII he got married, worked several jobs, moved to the suburbs,
bought a house and raised two fine girls while plugging away working all
his life. He never wanted more than he could afford, never had a
credit card and never had a car payment. His only debt was the house he
bought and he paid it off early. He had old, beater boats that he
fixed up himself and enjoyed his life. He's still around, at 90 years old.

My father went to school after WWII, became an engineer in the field of
non-destructive testing and also got married and raised three kids. He
travelled often, became involved in some major projects in aerospace,
defense and commercial programs that were often stressfull. Like my
father-in-law, he worked hard, mostly for the benefit of his family.
He died when he was 72, three years into "retirement".

When I was about 50 it finally dawned on me that each in their own way
were successful, accomplished men, regardless of the level of their
respective educations.

You really need to chill out and enjoy whatever time you have left on
this planet.






I'm just giving back a bit of what I get here, Eisbocher. That's all.

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...



I'm just giving back a bit of what I get here, Eisbocher. That's all.

-------------------------

Why?

On 7/26/13 3:05 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...



I'm just giving back a bit of what I get here, Eisbocher. That's all.

-------------------------

Why?



Why just a bit? Because to do more would take more time and a little
effort, and wrecked.boats isn't worth saving from the conservatrashers.

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 05:55:59 -0400, Hank©
wrote:



Imagine spending all that money for a BA and an MA and having only the
credentials of "good spella" to show for it. He should have saved his
money, and entered a few spelling bees in grammar school instead.

Even his career choice missed the mark. A union organizer can only grow
up to be a thug. Whereas a community organizer can grow up to be, well
you know. As Maxwell Smart used to say "He came that close".

What's the difference between an English major and a Domino's pizza?


A Domino's pizza can feed a family of 4..

http://tinyurl.com/k45gmyc

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 13:40:10 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:


I always chuckle when guys with BAs ask me if I want fries with that.


I always chuckle when guys who went into the navy instead of college and
have no B.A. or B.S. knock on the doors of the houses in the 'hood and
ask if they can pump out the septic tanks or clear out the brush. We
have a contractor for the former who comes by every couple of years to
check on the septic tanks and pump them out if needed.

A licensed septic contractor will make a whole lot more money than
most of your college friends. It is also a recession proof business.
When you gotta go, you gotta go.

I find it interesting that the college loan crisis is bigger than the
bankruptcy problems in all of the corrupt northern cities combined ...
by a factor of 10x or more. It is largely for the same reason. People
borrowed more money than the productivity they gained with the
"investment" will ever pay back.

I know a person in Florida that made a VERY good income from having two
honey dippers! He said it smelled like money to him!

On 7/26/13 5:38 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 14:35:22 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 7/26/13 2:25 PM, wrote:

A licensed septic contractor will make a whole lot more money than
most of your college friends.

You have no way of knowing that.

The one I know clears over 150,000k a year and gets to write off a lot
of his regular living expenses, like most contractors, so he pays
fewer taxes. (wife and kids drive a company car etc)

Most of my college-educated friends are "doing" at least that well.



The biggest problem with higher education in this country is bloat.
Cost has risen much faster than anything else in our country ...
including energy.
Personally I think the problem is TOO MANY high schoolers get into
college. In 1964 you had to qualify to get into college and a lot of
kids could not even get accepted into a state school. Now, if you want
to go, you can. even if you had no business graduating from high
school. That is why a "4 year" degree takes 5 or even 6 years to get.
You take high school at college prices.
I also think the college model may not really be the best way to get
higher education.
We would be a lot better off if people learned what they need to know
to get a job than simply getting 4 years of useless information simply
for the sake of being able to say you could sit there that long.

I have had more time in class in my life than most "masters" graduates
and it was things I needed to know, when I needed to know it.



"Useless information." You still think education is a trade school. Sad.

On 7/26/2013 5:38 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 14:35:22 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 7/26/13 2:25 PM, wrote:

A licensed septic contractor will make a whole lot more money than
most of your college friends.

You have no way of knowing that.

The one I know clears over 150,000k a year and gets to write off a lot
of his regular living expenses, like most contractors, so he pays
fewer taxes. (wife and kids drive a company car etc)

So, the guy who pumps poop, gets paid more than a dr, dr, dr that only
spews poop, by about 40 grand a year?

On 7/26/13 5:58 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 7/26/2013 5:38 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 14:35:22 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 7/26/13 2:25 PM, wrote:

A licensed septic contractor will make a whole lot more money than
most of your college friends.

You have no way of knowing that.

The one I know clears over 150,000k a year and gets to write off a lot
of his regular living expenses, like most contractors, so he pays
fewer taxes. (wife and kids drive a company car etc)

So, the guy who pumps poop, gets paid more than a dr, dr, dr that only
spews poop, by about 40 grand a year?


As a full-blown psychotic, you have need of both services.

BTW, I don't for a minute believe a guy who pumps out septic tanks is
netting over $150,000 a year, unless he has a huge corporation with a
lot of workers. The average pump out around here is $200 and the
process takes at least an hour and a half, with lots of down time and
travel time to customer sites and to dump what is in the truck. I can
see a hard working self employed guy grossing $2000 a week for part of
the year, working very hard, and netting, oh, at least three times what
you net, PsychoSnotty.

How's the post hole digging going?

On 7/26/2013 2:39 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ...


It's always a chuckle when those without college degrees knock those who
have them.


. I always chuckle when guys who went into the navy instead of college and
have no B.A. or B.S. knock on the doors of the houses in the 'hood and
ask if they can pump out the septic tanks or clear out the brush. We
have a contractor for the former who comes by every couple of years to
check on the septic tanks and pump them out if needed.


Are they all to be scoffed at by someone like you who's apparent main
achievement in life was obtaining a couple of degrees?




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