Halliburton gets a bitty fine for destroying Gulf of Mexico spill records
 

On Friday, July 26, 2013 8:46:48 PM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 7/26/13 9:30 PM, Tim wrote:

On Friday, July 26, 2013 2:15:55 PM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:



Why just a bit? Because to do more would take more time and a little



effort, and wrecked.boats isn't worth saving from the conservatrashers.





I don't know why you'd say that, Harry. Daily (hourly?) you seem to fight 'them' tooth and nail here.







Seriously? Fight implies I give a ****. I don't.

Then why are you taunting 'them?'

Halliburton gets a bitty fine for destroying Gulf of Mexico spill records
 

wrote in message
...


I retired at 49, I am living on the water in the sunshine and we are
comfortable, not owing anyone any money. I did OK.

------------------------------

When I was in my early 40's I set a goal of having the option to
retire by the time I was 55. Made it with 2 years to spare.
It's amazing what can be accomplished if you establish a serious goal.
Everything you do, every decision you make becomes contingent upon not
obscuring the goal but rather trying to support it, if possible.

In my case it wasn't trying to make as much money as I could so I
could retire early. When I worked for others I was not highly paid
and when I started my company, I was often one of the lowest paid
people as it struggled to get going in the early years. Instead, I
focused on building the value of the company in terms of it's products
and technology and it ultimately paid off, not only for me but for my
small group of stockholders and for all the employees who also shared
in the proceeds of the sale.

When I reflect back on things I've done in my life so far it cracks me
up sometimes. I am far from being particularly smart and I certainly
am not overly educated. Nothing I learned in formal schools
contributed much towards what I later did for a living because until
the mid 1990's there were no formal college level courses or degrees
offered in the technology in which I became involved. Probably a good
thing because it caused me and others who worked in the field to
constantly self-educate, try things and be creative. Looking back, I
can see how a degree in a specific field or technical discipline can
sometimes become a limiting factor because many of the rules have
already been established. I call it the Edison Syndrome. He never
went to school to get a technical degree and later one of his
associates claimed that had Edison gone to college he would have
learned that many of the things he accomplished were impossible to
achieve. If I had stuck with being an electronics engineer, I'd
probably still be designing high voltage power supplies for some
company somewhere.

Following nine years in the military, going to school part time and
then at nights under the GI bill after I got out, I've been involved
as a principle in three companies. The first, back in 1981, was as a
minor, sweat equity stock holder. The second was as the principle
founder and CEO of the company that I eventually sold. The third was
the more recent and goofy "retirement" guitar shop project that grew
more than I really intended or wanted it to. It didn't take long for
me to realize that I was never designed for working in a retail
environment, so I turned the shop over to a good friend who has more
skill and patience in that than I.

Second to staying married to an incredibly understanding and
supportive wife of 43 years and raising three kids, I am most proud
of the fact that all three of the companies I either directly created
or helped create are still in business, supporting the families of
many people. That's a good feeling when I allow myself a pat on the
back.

All of which leads me to a reflection on this country's current status
and trends. This is mostly for Harry, assuming he's still reading
this.

I believe in the concept of free enterprise and the right of everyone
to attempt to achieve whatever their goals are. It's not right for a
company to take advantage of people in it's pursuit of profit but at
the same time it's not right to discourage those who want to achieve
more through hard work to be discouraged by overly repressive
government policies designed to "average out" the rewards. I fear
that the latter is the current trend, not simply by attempted
legislation but also by the perpetuation of a social "mood" that
businesses and the management of them are the enemy. Not all people
aspire to the same goals. Their rewards should be consistent with the
effort they put into them.

Halliburton gets a bitty fine for destroying Gulf of Mexico spillrecords
 

On 7/27/2013 2:27 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 18:04:52 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 7/26/13 5:58 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

BTW, I don't for a minute believe a guy who pumps out septic tanks is
netting over $150,000 a year, unless he has a huge corporation with a
lot of workers. The average pump out around here is $200 and the
process takes at least an hour and a half, with lots of down time and
travel time to customer sites and to dump what is in the truck. I can
see a hard working self employed guy grossing $2000 a week for part of
the year, working very hard, and netting, oh, at least three times what
you net, PsychoSnotty.

How's the post hole digging going?

This guy is a contractor, actually pumping tanks is a fraction of his
business but it does generate a lot of service work where the money
really is.



If you do what Harry did and are any good at it, You work for agencies
in Chicago or New York, and write copy or manage accounts like John
Deer, Good and Plenty, Disney, Walmart, The Beef Council. Remember
"where's the Beef"?

Halliburton gets a bitty fine for destroying Gulf of Mexico spillrecords
 

On 7/27/2013 6:54 AM, Eisboch wrote:


wrote in message
...


I retired at 49, I am living on the water in the sunshine and we are
comfortable, not owing anyone any money. I did OK.

------------------------------

When I was in my early 40's I set a goal of having the option to retire
by the time I was 55. Made it with 2 years to spare.
It's amazing what can be accomplished if you establish a serious goal.
Everything you do, every decision you make becomes contingent upon not
obscuring the goal but rather trying to support it, if possible.

In my case it wasn't trying to make as much money as I could so I could
retire early. When I worked for others I was not highly paid and when
I started my company, I was often one of the lowest paid people as it
struggled to get going in the early years. Instead, I focused on
building the value of the company in terms of it's products and
technology and it ultimately paid off, not only for me but for my small
group of stockholders and for all the employees who also shared in the
proceeds of the sale.

When I reflect back on things I've done in my life so far it cracks me
up sometimes. I am far from being particularly smart and I certainly
am not overly educated. Nothing I learned in formal schools contributed
much towards what I later did for a living because until the mid 1990's
there were no formal college level courses or degrees offered in the
technology in which I became involved. Probably a good thing because it
caused me and others who worked in the field to constantly self-educate,
try things and be creative. Looking back, I can see how a degree in a
specific field or technical discipline can sometimes become a limiting
factor because many of the rules have already been established. I call
it the Edison Syndrome. He never went to school to get a technical
degree and later one of his associates claimed that had Edison gone to
college he would have learned that many of the things he accomplished
were impossible to achieve. If I had stuck with being an electronics
engineer, I'd probably still be designing high voltage power supplies
for some company somewhere.

Following nine years in the military, going to school part time and then
at nights under the GI bill after I got out, I've been involved as a
principle in three companies. The first, back in 1981, was as a minor,
sweat equity stock holder. The second was as the principle founder and
CEO of the company that I eventually sold. The third was the more
recent and goofy "retirement" guitar shop project that grew more than I
really intended or wanted it to. It didn't take long for me to realize
that I was never designed for working in a retail environment, so I
turned the shop over to a good friend who has more skill and patience in
that than I.

Second to staying married to an incredibly understanding and supportive
wife of 43 years and raising three kids, I am most proud of the fact
that all three of the companies I either directly created or helped
create are still in business, supporting the families of many people.
That's a good feeling when I allow myself a pat on the back.

All of which leads me to a reflection on this country's current status
and trends. This is mostly for Harry, assuming he's still reading this.

I believe in the concept of free enterprise and the right of everyone to
attempt to achieve whatever their goals are. It's not right for a
company to take advantage of people in it's pursuit of profit but at the
same time it's not right to discourage those who want to achieve more
through hard work to be discouraged by overly repressive government
policies designed to "average out" the rewards. I fear that the latter
is the current trend, not simply by attempted legislation but also by
the perpetuation of a social "mood" that businesses and the management
of them are the enemy. Not all people aspire to the same goals. Their
rewards should be consistent with the effort they put into them.




Harry won't understand any of this, but show him a good bumper sticker
and he'll figure it out eventually. He's still working on "Hope and Change"

Halliburton gets a bitty fine for destroying Gulf of Mexico spillrecords
 

On 7/27/13 6:54 AM, Eisboch wrote:

All of which leads me to a reflection on this country's current status
and trends. This is mostly for Harry, assuming he's still reading this.

I believe in the concept of free enterprise and the right of everyone to
attempt to achieve whatever their goals are. It's not right for a
company to take advantage of people in it's pursuit of profit but at the
same time it's not right to discourage those who want to achieve more
through hard work to be discouraged by overly repressive government
policies designed to "average out" the rewards. I fear that the latter
is the current trend, not simply by attempted legislation but also by
the perpetuation of a social "mood" that businesses and the management
of them are the enemy. Not all people aspire to the same goals. Their
rewards should be consistent with the effort they put into them.


Unfortunately, since the 1980's, the upper income classes have sucked
most of the money out of the economy, and that trend is continuing.
There's no need to reiterate the disparities, or the abuses perpetrated
against those who aren't in the upper income classes.

And before you set yourself off and try to lecture me yet again :) ,
I am not speaking out against people with ideas who start businesses and
who make strong efforts to be decent employers and good corporate citizens.

Halliburton gets a bitty fine for destroying Gulf of Mexico spillrecords
 

On 7/27/2013 7:35 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 7/27/13 6:54 AM, Eisboch wrote:

All of which leads me to a reflection on this country's current status
and trends. This is mostly for Harry, assuming he's still reading this.

I believe in the concept of free enterprise and the right of everyone to
attempt to achieve whatever their goals are. It's not right for a
company to take advantage of people in it's pursuit of profit but at the
same time it's not right to discourage those who want to achieve more
through hard work to be discouraged by overly repressive government
policies designed to "average out" the rewards. I fear that the latter
is the current trend, not simply by attempted legislation but also by
the perpetuation of a social "mood" that businesses and the management
of them are the enemy. Not all people aspire to the same goals. Their
rewards should be consistent with the effort they put into them.


Unfortunately, since the 1980's, the upper income classes have sucked
most of the money out of the economy, and that trend is continuing.
There's no need to reiterate the disparities, or the abuses perpetrated
against those who aren't in the upper income classes.

And before you set yourself off and try to lecture me yet again :) ,
I am not speaking out against people with ideas who start businesses and
who make strong efforts to be decent employers and good corporate citizens.

Well, you do need a good talking to. ;-)

Halliburton gets a bitty fine for destroying Gulf of Mexico spillrecords
 

On 7/27/13 2:27 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 18:04:52 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 7/26/13 5:58 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

BTW, I don't for a minute believe a guy who pumps out septic tanks is
netting over $150,000 a year, unless he has a huge corporation with a
lot of workers. The average pump out around here is $200 and the
process takes at least an hour and a half, with lots of down time and
travel time to customer sites and to dump what is in the truck. I can
see a hard working self employed guy grossing $2000 a week for part of
the year, working very hard, and netting, oh, at least three times what
you net, PsychoSnotty.

How's the post hole digging going?

This guy is a contractor, actually pumping tanks is a fraction of his
business but it does generate a lot of service work where the money
really is.




Oh, I thought we were discussing a guy who made $150,000 a year pumping
out sewage from residential septic tanks and replacing the occasional
valve. Obviously, we are not.

Halliburton gets a bitty fine for destroying Gulf of Mexico spill records
 

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ...


And before you set yourself off and try to lecture me yet again :) ,
I am not speaking out against people with ideas who start businesses
and
who make strong efforts to be decent employers and good corporate
citizens.

--------------------------------

I won't lecture as long as you don't expect what you didn't earn.

Halliburton gets a bitty fine for destroying Gulf of Mexico spillrecords
 

On 7/27/13 8:58 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ...


And before you set yourself off and try to lecture me yet again :) ,
I am not speaking out against people with ideas who start businesses and
who make strong efforts to be decent employers and good corporate citizens.

--------------------------------

I won't lecture as long as you don't expect what you didn't earn.




snerk

Halliburton gets a bitty fine for destroying Gulf of Mexico spillrecords
 

On 7/27/2013 8:58 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ...


And before you set yourself off and try to lecture me yet again :) ,
I am not speaking out against people with ideas who start businesses and
who make strong efforts to be decent employers and good corporate citizens.

--------------------------------

I won't lecture as long as you don't expect what you didn't earn.



Obviously you need to turn lecture mode full on.