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Here's my take on the Zimmerman/Martin thing.
Zimmerman is a well intentioned law enforcement wannabe civilian who overstepped the boundaries of the recommended procedures established in the "Neighborhood Crime Watch" organizational structure, established in concert with the local police department. What he did was not illegal, but was contrary to recommended procedure recommended by the Neighborhood Crime Watch representative from the police department. (She is also a civilian and not a cop). Really doesn't matter when he left his car or if he "followed" Martin. Both actions are not illegal. When he confronted Martin, some words were exchanged. Martin then clobbered Zimmerman with a haymaker to the nose. Zimmerman fell to the ground, Martin jumped on top of him and either threw some more punches and/or started smacking Zimmerman's head on the concrete. Zimmerman tried to resist and started screaming for help. The beating continued. Zimmerman found his gun and shot Martin. Martin fell backwards and then onto the ground. That's it. The rest of the bull**** being promoted in the media with regard to race issues, hate crime, etc., is nothing but that ..... pure bull****. |
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On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 20:10:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
Here's my take on the Zimmerman/Martin thing. Zimmerman is a well intentioned law enforcement wannabe civilian who overstepped the boundaries of the recommended procedures established in the "Neighborhood Crime Watch" organizational structure, established in concert with the local police department. What he did was not illegal, but was contrary to recommended procedure recommended by the Neighborhood Crime Watch representative from the police department. (She is also a civilian and not a cop). Really doesn't matter when he left his car or if he "followed" Martin. Both actions are not illegal. When he confronted Martin, some words were exchanged. Martin then clobbered Zimmerman with a haymaker to the nose. Zimmerman fell to the ground, Martin jumped on top of him and either threw some more punches and/or started smacking Zimmerman's head on the concrete. Zimmerman tried to resist and started screaming for help. The beating continued. Zimmerman found his gun and shot Martin. Martin fell backwards and then onto the ground. That's it. The rest of the bull**** being promoted in the media with regard to race issues, hate crime, etc., is nothing but that ..... pure bull****. Supported by evidence, and probably what the jury saw also. Don't know about the falling backwards though. John (Gun Nut) H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
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On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 07:58:44 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... Here's my take on the Zimmerman/Martin thing. Zimmerman is a well intentioned law enforcement wannabe civilian who overstepped the boundaries of the recommended procedures established in the "Neighborhood Crime Watch" organizational structure, established in concert with the local police department. What he did was not illegal, but was contrary to recommended procedure recommended by the Neighborhood Crime Watch representative from the police department. (She is also a civilian and not a cop). Really doesn't matter when he left his car or if he "followed" Martin. Both actions are not illegal. When he confronted Martin, some words were exchanged. Martin then clobbered Zimmerman with a haymaker to the nose. Zimmerman fell to the ground, Martin jumped on top of him and either threw some more punches and/or started smacking Zimmerman's head on the concrete. Zimmerman tried to resist and started screaming for help. The beating continued. Zimmerman found his gun and shot Martin. Martin fell backwards and then onto the ground. That's it. The rest of the bull**** being promoted in the media with regard to race issues, hate crime, etc., is nothing but that ..... pure bull****. I agree, and like I've said all along, I would have fought back as well if Zimmerman had confronted me in a threatening manner. Why do I think it was in a threatening manner, you'll ask? Because of the tone of the call to dispatch. No evidence Zimmerman confronted Martin at all. John (Gun Nut) H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
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On 7/16/2013 10:39 AM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 20:10:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: Here's my take on the Zimmerman/Martin thing. Zimmerman is a well intentioned law enforcement wannabe civilian who overstepped the boundaries of the recommended procedures established in the "Neighborhood Crime Watch" organizational structure, established in concert with the local police department. What he did was not illegal, but was contrary to recommended procedure recommended by the Neighborhood Crime Watch representative from the police department. (She is also a civilian and not a cop). Really doesn't matter when he left his car or if he "followed" Martin. Both actions are not illegal. When he confronted Martin, some words were exchanged. Martin then clobbered Zimmerman with a haymaker to the nose. Zimmerman fell to the ground, Martin jumped on top of him and either threw some more punches and/or started smacking Zimmerman's head on the concrete. Zimmerman tried to resist and started screaming for help. The beating continued. Zimmerman found his gun and shot Martin. Martin fell backwards and then onto the ground. That's it. The rest of the bull**** being promoted in the media with regard to race issues, hate crime, etc., is nothing but that ..... pure bull****. Supported by evidence, and probably what the jury saw also. Don't know about the falling backwards though. John (Gun Nut) H. The kid was a thug, and he died because of it and nothing else... |
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On 7/16/13 11:42 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 7/16/2013 10:39 AM, John H wrote: On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 20:10:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: Here's my take on the Zimmerman/Martin thing. Zimmerman is a well intentioned law enforcement wannabe civilian who overstepped the boundaries of the recommended procedures established in the "Neighborhood Crime Watch" organizational structure, established in concert with the local police department. What he did was not illegal, but was contrary to recommended procedure recommended by the Neighborhood Crime Watch representative from the police department. (She is also a civilian and not a cop). Really doesn't matter when he left his car or if he "followed" Martin. Both actions are not illegal. When he confronted Martin, some words were exchanged. Martin then clobbered Zimmerman with a haymaker to the nose. Zimmerman fell to the ground, Martin jumped on top of him and either threw some more punches and/or started smacking Zimmerman's head on the concrete. Zimmerman tried to resist and started screaming for help. The beating continued. Zimmerman found his gun and shot Martin. Martin fell backwards and then onto the ground. That's it. The rest of the bull**** being promoted in the media with regard to race issues, hate crime, etc., is nothing but that ..... pure bull****. Supported by evidence, and probably what the jury saw also. Don't know about the falling backwards though. John (Gun Nut) H. The kid was a thug, and he died because of it and nothing else... I suspect the same will be said of you when you open your mouth one time too loudly in the company of your full-patch motorcycle gang thugs. |
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wrote in message ... On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 11:42:25 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: The kid was a thug, and he died because of it and nothing else... It is clear he was on a track (statistically) to die, young, in a pool of blood anyway. (black, school failure from a broken home and an increasing criminal record) The only anomaly was that a white guy shot him. If it was just another black guy doing the shooting, this would not have even made the news and it is likely nobody would have been charged. -------------------------------------- I disagree with your assertion of Martin having an "increasing criminal record". He doesn't have a criminal police record period. He was under suspension from school for having some pot residue in his locker, but he doesn't have a criminal police record. |
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On 7/16/2013 1:34 PM, Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message ... On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 11:42:25 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: The kid was a thug, and he died because of it and nothing else... It is clear he was on a track (statistically) to die, young, in a pool of blood anyway. (black, school failure from a broken home and an increasing criminal record) The only anomaly was that a white guy shot him. If it was just another black guy doing the shooting, this would not have even made the news and it is likely nobody would have been charged. -------------------------------------- I disagree with your assertion of Martin having an "increasing criminal record". He doesn't have a criminal police record period. He was under suspension from school for having some pot residue in his locker, but he doesn't have a criminal police record. He was "under suspicion" for a lot more than that... but I am not doing your homework for you... then add what he "admitted freely", you know the thousand pieces of evidence the prosecution kept from us until after the defense closed it's case, you have a clear picture of exactly what Treyvon was all about. |
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On 7/16/2013 1:12 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 12:21:54 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... "These assholes always get away". Yep, meek and timid. Answer to "are you following him"..... "YES". Very meek. He DID go after him. They were about 10-15 feet apart when he first saw Martin. If he was "going after" Martin, the confrontation would have happened several feet from the front gate, 15 seconds later not down in the middle of the community 4 minutes later.. It is clear he tried to keep his distance and "watch" Martin until the police arrived. And the ****ing bragging days earlier about some guy he beat the **** out of and saying "the next guy won't get off so easy", the films on his phone of his friends gang beating a homeless man.. Asll we would need to do is find out which one of his freinds was filming when he got in on it.. The kid was by his own words a fighter and a badass, he proved it every day and he got killed for it... period... |
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On 7/16/13 1:44 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 7/16/2013 1:34 PM, Eisboch wrote: wrote in message ... On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 11:42:25 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: The kid was a thug, and he died because of it and nothing else... It is clear he was on a track (statistically) to die, young, in a pool of blood anyway. (black, school failure from a broken home and an increasing criminal record) The only anomaly was that a white guy shot him. If it was just another black guy doing the shooting, this would not have even made the news and it is likely nobody would have been charged. -------------------------------------- I disagree with your assertion of Martin having an "increasing criminal record". He doesn't have a criminal police record period. He was under suspension from school for having some pot residue in his locker, but he doesn't have a criminal police record. He was "under suspicion" for a lot more than that... Under suspicion? Any arrests? No? Then, bull****. |
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On 7/16/13 1:47 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 7/16/2013 1:12 PM, wrote: On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 12:21:54 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... "These assholes always get away". Yep, meek and timid. Answer to "are you following him"..... "YES". Very meek. He DID go after him. They were about 10-15 feet apart when he first saw Martin. If he was "going after" Martin, the confrontation would have happened several feet from the front gate, 15 seconds later not down in the middle of the community 4 minutes later.. It is clear he tried to keep his distance and "watch" Martin until the police arrived. And the ****ing bragging days earlier about some guy he beat the **** out of and saying "the next guy won't get off so easy", the films on his phone of his friends gang beating a homeless man.. Asll we would need to do is find out which one of his freinds was filming when he got in on it.. The kid was by his own words a fighter and a badass, he proved it every day and he got killed for it... period... Are you claiming Martin was a "tough guy,"as you claim to be? |
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says... On 7/16/13 1:12 PM, wrote: On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 12:21:54 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... "These assholes always get away". Yep, meek and timid. Answer to "are you following him"..... "YES". Very meek. He DID go after him. They were about 10-15 feet apart when he first saw Martin. If he was "going after" Martin, the confrontation would have happened several feet from the front gate, 15 seconds later not down in the middle of the community 4 minutes later.. It is clear he tried to keep his distance and "watch" Martin until the police arrived. You mean, he was stalking Martin. But Scotty and Greg have cleared it up! It's okay to kill teens that they think are "thugs", who've smoked pot and were accused of petty theft. |
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"JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... On 7/16/2013 1:34 PM, Eisboch wrote: wrote in message ... On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 11:42:25 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: The kid was a thug, and he died because of it and nothing else... It is clear he was on a track (statistically) to die, young, in a pool of blood anyway. (black, school failure from a broken home and an increasing criminal record) The only anomaly was that a white guy shot him. If it was just another black guy doing the shooting, this would not have even made the news and it is likely nobody would have been charged. -------------------------------------- I disagree with your assertion of Martin having an "increasing criminal record". He doesn't have a criminal police record period. He was under suspension from school for having some pot residue in his locker, but he doesn't have a criminal police record. He was "under suspicion" for a lot more than that... but I am not doing your homework for you... then add what he "admitted freely", you know the thousand pieces of evidence the prosecution kept from us until after the defense closed it's case, you have a clear picture of exactly what Treyvon was all about. --------------------------------- Relax. All I said was that he does *not* have a criminal police record. |
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says... On 7/16/2013 1:12 PM, wrote: On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 12:21:54 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... "These assholes always get away". Yep, meek and timid. Answer to "are you following him"..... "YES". Very meek. He DID go after him. They were about 10-15 feet apart when he first saw Martin. If he was "going after" Martin, the confrontation would have happened several feet from the front gate, 15 seconds later not down in the middle of the community 4 minutes later.. It is clear he tried to keep his distance and "watch" Martin until the police arrived. And the ****ing bragging days earlier about some guy he beat the **** out of and saying "the next guy won't get off so easy", the films on his phone of his friends gang beating a homeless man.. Cite that. Asll we would need to do is find out which one of his freinds was filming when he got in on it.. The kid was by his own words a fighter and a badass, he proved it every day and he got killed for it... period... So, a kid gets into a fight at school he needs to be killed, got it. |
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says... On 7/16/2013 1:03 PM, wrote: On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 11:42:25 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: The kid was a thug, and he died because of it and nothing else... It is clear he was on a track (statistically) to die, young, in a pool of blood anyway. (black, school failure from a broken home and an increasing criminal record) The only anomaly was that a white guy shot him. If it was just another black guy doing the shooting, this would not have even made the news and it is likely nobody would have been charged. Or, if it had not happened right when a POTUS was involved in scandal and looking for an "out"... You insane twit!!! |
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On 7/16/13 1:56 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On 7/16/2013 1:12 PM, wrote: On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 12:21:54 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... "These assholes always get away". Yep, meek and timid. Answer to "are you following him"..... "YES". Very meek. He DID go after him. They were about 10-15 feet apart when he first saw Martin. If he was "going after" Martin, the confrontation would have happened several feet from the front gate, 15 seconds later not down in the middle of the community 4 minutes later.. It is clear he tried to keep his distance and "watch" Martin until the police arrived. And the ****ing bragging days earlier about some guy he beat the **** out of and saying "the next guy won't get off so easy", the films on his phone of his friends gang beating a homeless man.. Cite that. Asll we would need to do is find out which one of his freinds was filming when he got in on it.. The kid was by his own words a fighter and a badass, he proved it every day and he got killed for it... period... So, a kid gets into a fight at school he needs to be killed, got it. My guess is that Snotty got into more fights at school and since school than Martin ever did. Snotty likes to present himself here as a tough guy. The reality is that he probably snuck into the girls' locker room at junior high once, and the gals beat the crap out of him. |
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On 7/16/2013 1:47 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 7/16/2013 1:12 PM, wrote: On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 12:21:54 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... "These assholes always get away". Yep, meek and timid. Answer to "are you following him"..... "YES". Very meek. He DID go after him. They were about 10-15 feet apart when he first saw Martin. If he was "going after" Martin, the confrontation would have happened several feet from the front gate, 15 seconds later not down in the middle of the community 4 minutes later.. It is clear he tried to keep his distance and "watch" Martin until the police arrived. And the ****ing bragging days earlier about some guy he beat the **** out of and saying "the next guy won't get off so easy", the films on his phone of his friends gang beating a homeless man.. Asll we would need to do is find out which one of his freinds was filming when he got in on it.. The kid was by his own words a fighter and a badass, he proved it every day and he got killed for it... period... The kid's dead Zimm's free. What good will come out of dredging up Martin's history. |
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"Hank©" wrote in message b.com... On 7/16/2013 1:47 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 7/16/2013 1:12 PM, wrote: On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 12:21:54 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... "These assholes always get away". Yep, meek and timid. Answer to "are you following him"..... "YES". Very meek. He DID go after him. They were about 10-15 feet apart when he first saw Martin. If he was "going after" Martin, the confrontation would have happened several feet from the front gate, 15 seconds later not down in the middle of the community 4 minutes later.. It is clear he tried to keep his distance and "watch" Martin until the police arrived. And the ****ing bragging days earlier about some guy he beat the **** out of and saying "the next guy won't get off so easy", the films on his phone of his friends gang beating a homeless man.. Asll we would need to do is find out which one of his freinds was filming when he got in on it.. The kid was by his own words a fighter and a badass, he proved it every day and he got killed for it... period... The kid's dead Zimm's free. What good will come out of dredging up Martin's history. ---------------------------------------------- It will only be important if a civil "wrongful death" suit is filed. In that event character witnesses and evidence would be permissible in court, unlike the criminal trial. Same with the federal charges of civil rights violations and racial profiling that Sharpton is running around screaming for. I think it's very doubtful it will ever happen unless pure political pressure is applied. The FBI has already interviewed about 38-44 people that knew Zimmerman looking for any evidence that he was a racist and had hate and contempt for blacks. Zero. To the contrary, there's abundant evidence that he was quite the opposite. All of that would come into play in a federal case. |
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On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 12:15:02 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 07:58:44 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... Here's my take on the Zimmerman/Martin thing. Zimmerman is a well intentioned law enforcement wannabe civilian who overstepped the boundaries of the recommended procedures established in the "Neighborhood Crime Watch" organizational structure, established in concert with the local police department. What he did was not illegal, but was contrary to recommended procedure recommended by the Neighborhood Crime Watch representative from the police department. (She is also a civilian and not a cop). Really doesn't matter when he left his car or if he "followed" Martin. Both actions are not illegal. When he confronted Martin, some words were exchanged. Martin then clobbered Zimmerman with a haymaker to the nose. Zimmerman fell to the ground, Martin jumped on top of him and either threw some more punches and/or started smacking Zimmerman's head on the concrete. Zimmerman tried to resist and started screaming for help. The beating continued. Zimmerman found his gun and shot Martin. Martin fell backwards and then onto the ground. That's it. The rest of the bull**** being promoted in the media with regard to race issues, hate crime, etc., is nothing but that ..... pure bull****. I agree, and like I've said all along, I would have fought back as well if Zimmerman had confronted me in a threatening manner. Why do I think it was in a threatening manner, you'll ask? Because of the tone of the call to dispatch. No evidence Zimmerman confronted Martin at all. John (Gun Nut) H. You didn't listen to the phone call did you? No phone call was evidence that Zimmerman confronted Martin. John (Gun Nut) H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
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On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 13:54:59 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On 7/16/13 1:12 PM, wrote: On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 12:21:54 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... "These assholes always get away". Yep, meek and timid. Answer to "are you following him"..... "YES". Very meek. He DID go after him. They were about 10-15 feet apart when he first saw Martin. If he was "going after" Martin, the confrontation would have happened several feet from the front gate, 15 seconds later not down in the middle of the community 4 minutes later.. It is clear he tried to keep his distance and "watch" Martin until the police arrived. You mean, he was stalking Martin. But Scotty and Greg have cleared it up! It's okay to kill teens that they think are "thugs", who've smoked pot and were accused of petty theft. ....and has you on the ground hitting your head on concrete after breaking your nose. Makes good sense. You just need to complete your sentences. John (Gun Nut) H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
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On 7/16/2013 2:37 PM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 12:15:02 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 07:58:44 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... Here's my take on the Zimmerman/Martin thing. Zimmerman is a well intentioned law enforcement wannabe civilian who overstepped the boundaries of the recommended procedures established in the "Neighborhood Crime Watch" organizational structure, established in concert with the local police department. What he did was not illegal, but was contrary to recommended procedure recommended by the Neighborhood Crime Watch representative from the police department. (She is also a civilian and not a cop). Really doesn't matter when he left his car or if he "followed" Martin. Both actions are not illegal. When he confronted Martin, some words were exchanged. Martin then clobbered Zimmerman with a haymaker to the nose. Zimmerman fell to the ground, Martin jumped on top of him and either threw some more punches and/or started smacking Zimmerman's head on the concrete. Zimmerman tried to resist and started screaming for help. The beating continued. Zimmerman found his gun and shot Martin. Martin fell backwards and then onto the ground. That's it. The rest of the bull**** being promoted in the media with regard to race issues, hate crime, etc., is nothing but that ..... pure bull****. I agree, and like I've said all along, I would have fought back as well if Zimmerman had confronted me in a threatening manner. Why do I think it was in a threatening manner, you'll ask? Because of the tone of the call to dispatch. No evidence Zimmerman confronted Martin at all. John (Gun Nut) H. You didn't listen to the phone call did you? No phone call was evidence that Zimmerman confronted Martin. John (Gun Nut) H. Arren't you tiring of the Loogieisms, especially since Harry is adopting them. |
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On 7/16/2013 1:55 PM, Eisboch wrote:
"JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... On 7/16/2013 1:34 PM, Eisboch wrote: wrote in message ... On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 11:42:25 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: The kid was a thug, and he died because of it and nothing else... It is clear he was on a track (statistically) to die, young, in a pool of blood anyway. (black, school failure from a broken home and an increasing criminal record) The only anomaly was that a white guy shot him. If it was just another black guy doing the shooting, this would not have even made the news and it is likely nobody would have been charged. -------------------------------------- I disagree with your assertion of Martin having an "increasing criminal record". He doesn't have a criminal police record period. He was under suspension from school for having some pot residue in his locker, but he doesn't have a criminal police record. He was "under suspicion" for a lot more than that... but I am not doing your homework for you... then add what he "admitted freely", you know the thousand pieces of evidence the prosecution kept from us until after the defense closed it's case, you have a clear picture of exactly what Treyvon was all about. --------------------------------- Relax. All I said was that he does *not* have a criminal police record. No, you directly addressed the assertion that he (Martin) had an *increasing* criminal record. I assumed your meant that you "disagree with the (your) assertion of Martin having an "increasing criminal record"... when you said: I disagree with your assertion of Martin having an "increasing criminal record". Sorry if I read it wrong... My point is (in case you decide to go back and read what you wrote, and the context of the topic at hand) that it seems that Martin indeed did have a great possibility of developing an "increasing criminal record" sooner than later... But again, you could have read you wrong:) |
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"JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... On 7/16/2013 1:55 PM, Eisboch replied to Greg with: -------------------------------------- I disagree with your assertion of Martin having an "increasing criminal record". He doesn't have a criminal police record period. He was under suspension from school for having some pot residue in his locker, but he doesn't have a criminal police record. Then Scotty pipes up with: He was "under suspicion" for a lot more than that... but I am not doing your homework for you... then add what he "admitted freely", you know the thousand pieces of evidence the prosecution kept from us until after the defense closed it's case, you have a clear picture of exactly what Treyvon was all about. To which I (Eisboch) said: Relax. All I said was that he does *not* have a criminal police record. ------------------------------ OMG Scott! You wonder why you get teased. What I wrote is quoted above. It was in reply to a statement by Greg that Martin has an "increasing criminal record". I simply stated that Martin does *not* have a criminal record period. Now you come back with this. It's an exact quote of what you just posted: "No, you directly addressed the assertion that he (Martin) had an *increasing* criminal record. I assumed your meant that you "disagree with the (your) assertion of Martin having an "increasing criminal record"... when you said: I disagree with your assertion of Martin having an "increasing criminal record". (I confess. I have to spend some time dissecting that paragraph for a while. Meanwhile, you added:) "Sorry if I read it wrong... My point is (in case you decide to go back and read what you wrote, and the context of the topic at hand) that it seems that Martin indeed did have a great possibility of developing an "increasing criminal record" sooner than later... But again, you could have read you wrong:)" The fact remains, Martin does *not* have a criminal record period. It's not increasing. It's not decreasing. It doesn't exist. Meanwhile, I'll try to figure out what, "But again, you could have read you wrong" means. Scott, I am not trying to poke fun at you, but I simply can't understand what you are trying to write sometimes. |
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september.org, says... In article , says... ...and has you on the ground hitting your head on concrete after breaking your nose. Makes good sense. You just need to complete your sentences. John (Gun Nut) H. Did you not hear the expert witness say that the injuries were "very minor" or did you just not understand it? Another expert witness said otherwise. Here. You don't have ask for a cite. http://www.floridatoday.com/article/...10/NEWS01/3071 00037/Pathologist-Zimmerman-case-supports-defense-claims I immediately discounted what your "expert" witness said. As I've said, I've been knocked out 3 times in fistfights. (When I got to 0-3 I quit.) One was a shot directly on/over the eye. I still remember the ring he was wearing. The other 2 were to the jaw. In NONE of those cases did I have a visible injury. One of the jaw shots gave me a sore jaw for that day. The only other time I was knocked out when I got blind- sided with a 2x4. That blackened an eye, and I needed a few stitches. These type of fight injuries are variable depending on a lot of things. Zimmerman looked pretty messed up to me. There was no mistaking he had been thrashed. Treyvon had no injuries except a bullet hole. Of course this all means absolutely nothing to you. But I felt like saying it, so it's all good. |
My take
On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 15:16:08 -0400, Hank© wrote:
On 7/16/2013 2:37 PM, John H wrote: On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 12:15:02 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 07:58:44 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... Here's my take on the Zimmerman/Martin thing. Zimmerman is a well intentioned law enforcement wannabe civilian who overstepped the boundaries of the recommended procedures established in the "Neighborhood Crime Watch" organizational structure, established in concert with the local police department. What he did was not illegal, but was contrary to recommended procedure recommended by the Neighborhood Crime Watch representative from the police department. (She is also a civilian and not a cop). Really doesn't matter when he left his car or if he "followed" Martin. Both actions are not illegal. When he confronted Martin, some words were exchanged. Martin then clobbered Zimmerman with a haymaker to the nose. Zimmerman fell to the ground, Martin jumped on top of him and either threw some more punches and/or started smacking Zimmerman's head on the concrete. Zimmerman tried to resist and started screaming for help. The beating continued. Zimmerman found his gun and shot Martin. Martin fell backwards and then onto the ground. That's it. The rest of the bull**** being promoted in the media with regard to race issues, hate crime, etc., is nothing but that ..... pure bull****. I agree, and like I've said all along, I would have fought back as well if Zimmerman had confronted me in a threatening manner. Why do I think it was in a threatening manner, you'll ask? Because of the tone of the call to dispatch. No evidence Zimmerman confronted Martin at all. John (Gun Nut) H. You didn't listen to the phone call did you? No phone call was evidence that Zimmerman confronted Martin. John (Gun Nut) H. Arren't you tiring of the Loogieisms, especially since Harry is adopting them. That twosome is getting very tiring. John (Gun Nut) H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
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