On 6/27/13 6:23 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
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On 6/27/13 3:59 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:42:10 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 6/27/13 11:29 AM, wrote:

None of this is necessary, of course, if you come across a kid on the
street carrying a soft drink and a bag of candy. Just shoot him. Make
sure you are in Florida, of course.

You keep leaving out the "punch in the nose" and "beat your head on
the concrete" part


There are no witnesses to testify that Martin inflicted those alleged
injuries.

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The injuries are not alleged. Zimmerman's claim that they were
inflicted by Martin is what is alleged.
The police arrived, Zimmerman confessed to shooting Martin and, as I
understand it, the injuries to Zimmerman were fresh at the time.

I don't think you need a witness to make a case of self defense. That
said though, if Zimmerman instigated the altercation by pursuing Martin
and challenging or harassing him in any way, then I suspect his "stand
your ground" defense will go out the window and he'll be found guilty.
Just my guess.





The witnesses so far seem to indicate that Zimmerman started the
altercation, that the screaming seemed to be coming from Martin, that
Zimmerman was on top of Martin after the gunshot, et cetera.

I have a feeling Zimmerman is going to have to take the stand. That
should be interesting.

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
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The witnesses so far seem to indicate that Zimmerman started the
altercation, that the screaming seemed to be coming from Martin, that
Zimmerman was on top of Martin after the gunshot, et cetera.


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There's one piece of forensic evidence and also witness testimony
regarding the color of the shirts or jackets that were worn that may
convince the jury that Martin was on top of Zimmerman. The forensic
evidence was introduced by the defense the first day of the trial and
indicates that there was about an inch to two inches of space between
Martin's shirt and where Zimmerman's bullet entered his body. It was
determined by powder residue and burns.

If Zimmerman was on top of Martin, it's unlikely any space would exist
between Martin's shirt and his chest. However, if Martin was on top,
leaning forward, the space would exist.

I'll bet the defense focuses on that in their summation.

On 6/27/13 7:26 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
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The witnesses so far seem to indicate that Zimmerman started the
altercation, that the screaming seemed to be coming from Martin, that
Zimmerman was on top of Martin after the gunshot, et cetera.


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There's one piece of forensic evidence and also witness testimony
regarding the color of the shirts or jackets that were worn that may
convince the jury that Martin was on top of Zimmerman. The forensic
evidence was introduced by the defense the first day of the trial and
indicates that there was about an inch to two inches of space between
Martin's shirt and where Zimmerman's bullet entered his body. It was
determined by powder residue and burns.

If Zimmerman was on top of Martin, it's unlikely any space would exist
between Martin's shirt and his chest. However, if Martin was on top,
leaning forward, the space would exist.

I'll bet the defense focuses on that in their summation.




I'll bet the jury doesn't give a **** about that and probably won't
understand it, either. There are many ways the two shirts could be up
close and personal to each other, or separated by an inch. However the
jury decides, that ain't gonna be a critical factor.

I have a growing feeling that Zimmerman is going to take the stand. Hope
so. The Florida stand your ground law is a piece of **** and perhaps a
conviction will sink it.

On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 19:32:15 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

The Florida stand your ground law is a piece of ****

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[Not]

The right to defend yourself is self evident.

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
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On 6/27/13 7:26 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
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The witnesses so far seem to indicate that Zimmerman started the
altercation, that the screaming seemed to be coming from Martin,
that
Zimmerman was on top of Martin after the gunshot, et cetera.


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There's one piece of forensic evidence and also witness testimony
regarding the color of the shirts or jackets that were worn that may
convince the jury that Martin was on top of Zimmerman. The
forensic
evidence was introduced by the defense the first day of the trial
and
indicates that there was about an inch to two inches of space
between
Martin's shirt and where Zimmerman's bullet entered his body. It
was
determined by powder residue and burns.

If Zimmerman was on top of Martin, it's unlikely any space would
exist
between Martin's shirt and his chest. However, if Martin was on
top,
leaning forward, the space would exist.

I'll bet the defense focuses on that in their summation.




I'll bet the jury doesn't give a **** about that and probably won't
understand it, either. There are many ways the two shirts could be up
close and personal to each other, or separated by an inch. However the
jury decides, that ain't gonna be a critical factor.

I have a growing feeling that Zimmerman is going to take the stand.
Hope
so. The Florida stand your ground law is a piece of **** and perhaps a
conviction will sink it.

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Just to clarify, I am not talking about spaces between Martin's and
Zimmerman's shirts. I am talking about a 1 to 2 inch space between
Martin's shirt and his chest. That would be hard to exist if Martin
was on his back on the ground with Zimmerman on top of him. But, if
Martin was on top, leaning forward somewhat, the space would exist.
That's powerful evidence if I were a jury member, absent any eye
witness who knew with certainty who was on top. So far, there aren't
any.

On 6/27/2013 7:32 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 6/27/13 7:26 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
news


The witnesses so far seem to indicate that Zimmerman started the
altercation, that the screaming seemed to be coming from Martin, that
Zimmerman was on top of Martin after the gunshot, et cetera.


-------------------------------------------

There's one piece of forensic evidence and also witness testimony
regarding the color of the shirts or jackets that were worn that may
convince the jury that Martin was on top of Zimmerman. The forensic
evidence was introduced by the defense the first day of the trial and
indicates that there was about an inch to two inches of space between
Martin's shirt and where Zimmerman's bullet entered his body. It was
determined by powder residue and burns.

If Zimmerman was on top of Martin, it's unlikely any space would exist
between Martin's shirt and his chest. However, if Martin was on top,
leaning forward, the space would exist.

I'll bet the defense focuses on that in their summation.




I'll bet the jury doesn't give a **** about that and probably won't
understand it, either. There are many ways the two shirts could be up
close and personal to each other, or separated by an inch. However the
jury decides, that ain't gonna be a critical factor.

I have a growing feeling that Zimmerman is going to take the stand. Hope
so. The Florida stand your ground law is a piece of **** and perhaps a
conviction will sink it.

I doubt if you could be seated on ANY jury. You're just too bat****
crazy, racist and over the edge leftist.

In article ,
says...

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
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The witnesses so far seem to indicate that Zimmerman started the
altercation, that the screaming seemed to be coming from Martin, that
Zimmerman was on top of Martin after the gunshot, et cetera.


-------------------------------------------

There's one piece of forensic evidence and also witness testimony
regarding the color of the shirts or jackets that were worn that may
convince the jury that Martin was on top of Zimmerman. The forensic
evidence was introduced by the defense the first day of the trial and
indicates that there was about an inch to two inches of space between
Martin's shirt and where Zimmerman's bullet entered his body. It was
determined by powder residue and burns.

If Zimmerman was on top of Martin, it's unlikely any space would exist
between Martin's shirt and his chest. However, if Martin was on top,
leaning forward, the space would exist.

I'll bet the defense focuses on that in their summation.

If some stranger accosted me in the middle of the night for no reason
and I had a chance, he'd get his ass kicked.

On 6/28/2013 12:23 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 10:44:21 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

In article ,
says...

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
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The witnesses so far seem to indicate that Zimmerman started the
altercation, that the screaming seemed to be coming from Martin, that
Zimmerman was on top of Martin after the gunshot, et cetera.


-------------------------------------------

There's one piece of forensic evidence and also witness testimony
regarding the color of the shirts or jackets that were worn that may
convince the jury that Martin was on top of Zimmerman. The forensic
evidence was introduced by the defense the first day of the trial and
indicates that there was about an inch to two inches of space between
Martin's shirt and where Zimmerman's bullet entered his body. It was
determined by powder residue and burns.

If Zimmerman was on top of Martin, it's unlikely any space would exist
between Martin's shirt and his chest. However, if Martin was on top,
leaning forward, the space would exist.

I'll bet the defense focuses on that in their summation.

If some stranger accosted me in the middle of the night for no reason
and I had a chance, he'd get his ass kicked.

So now the racist Martin did kick Zimmerman's ass. That is aggravated
battery, a forcible felony and Zimmerman had every right to shoot him,

Racist? I think the Cracker line shows that.


Does anybody remember that it was Sharpton and his gang that turned this
into an issue? Does anybody remember what Sharpton and Jackson do for a
living. Especially Sharpton, a known witness coach...?

In article ,
says...

On 6/28/2013 12:23 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 10:44:21 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

In article ,
says...

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
news


The witnesses so far seem to indicate that Zimmerman started the
altercation, that the screaming seemed to be coming from Martin, that
Zimmerman was on top of Martin after the gunshot, et cetera.


-------------------------------------------

There's one piece of forensic evidence and also witness testimony
regarding the color of the shirts or jackets that were worn that may
convince the jury that Martin was on top of Zimmerman. The forensic
evidence was introduced by the defense the first day of the trial and
indicates that there was about an inch to two inches of space between
Martin's shirt and where Zimmerman's bullet entered his body. It was
determined by powder residue and burns.

If Zimmerman was on top of Martin, it's unlikely any space would exist
between Martin's shirt and his chest. However, if Martin was on top,
leaning forward, the space would exist.

I'll bet the defense focuses on that in their summation.

If some stranger accosted me in the middle of the night for no reason
and I had a chance, he'd get his ass kicked.

So now the racist Martin did kick Zimmerman's ass. That is aggravated
battery, a forcible felony and Zimmerman had every right to shoot him,

Racist? I think the Cracker line shows that.


Does anybody remember that it was Sharpton and his gang that turned this
into an issue? Does anybody remember what Sharpton and Jackson do for a
living. Especially Sharpton, a known witness coach...?

You think some vigilante accosting and shooting someone isn't an
"issue"????

On Friday, June 28, 2013 3:07:55 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:


You think some vigilante accosting and shooting someone isn't an
"issue"????

It would be if that's what happened. You have no proof of that. The only thing that we know for certain is that Martin was shot. The rest is conjecture on your part.