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True North[_2_] June 1st 13 07:35 PM

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Since it is hot and sunny today, I removed the Navigloo shelter system from my Legend 16 Xcalibur Fish & Ski boat. I used it's own winch to bring the boat far enough forward to hook up to the Highlander.

Since the Highlander is new (2 months old) I wanted to find out what size drawbar I should get.
Decided to tow the rig to the nearest flat parking lot to do some measurements.
Just as I was leaving the driveway, this beautiful young lady walks in front of me eyeing the boat.
Then she smiles, looks me in the eye and says "take me".
I instantly felt guilty and almost looked over my shoulder to see if the wife was on the doorstep to watch me go.
All I could do was smile back and then went on my way.

Have to admit, I used justwait's 'secret' procedure with the mirror backing in and it went pretty good.. except for the two people who stepped right behind the boat as they walked down the sidewalk.. the idiots couldn't wait a minute for me to back all the way in. Good thing the wife was standing there directing because they approached from the other side.. not the side I was judging by.

As for the draw bar.. a drop of 1.5" seemed good until I accounted for the tongue weight pushing down the Highlanders rear end.
maybe a 1" rise or bar equal to the hitch would be better.

*e#c June 1st 13 08:37 PM

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On Jun 1, 2:35*pm, True North wrote:
Since it is hot and sunny today, I removed the Navigloo shelter system from my Legend 16 Xcalibur Fish & Ski boat. I used it's own winch to bring the boat far enough forward to hook up to the Highlander.

Since the Highlander is new (2 months old) I wanted to find out what size drawbar I should get.
Decided to tow the rig to the nearest flat parking lot to do some measurements.
Just as I was leaving the driveway, this beautiful young lady walks in front of me eyeing the boat.
Then she smiles, looks me in the eye and says "take me".
I instantly felt guilty and almost looked over my shoulder to see if the wife was on the doorstep to watch me go.
All I could do was smile back and then went on my way.

Have to admit, I used justwait's 'secret' procedure with the mirror backing in and it went pretty good.. except for the two people who stepped right behind the boat as they walked down the sidewalk.. the idiots couldn't wait a minute for me to back all the way in. Good thing the wife was standing there directing because they approached from the other side.. not the side I was judging by.

As for the draw bar.. a drop of 1.5" seemed good until I accounted for the tongue weight pushing down the Highlanders rear end.
maybe a 1" rise *or bar equal to the hitch would be better.


When trying to tow with a Ladies SUV...these things are common place.

Stupid is as stupid does.

Hank©[_2_] June 1st 13 08:44 PM

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On 6/1/2013 2:35 PM, True North wrote:
Since it is hot and sunny today, I removed the Navigloo shelter system from my Legend 16 Xcalibur Fish & Ski boat. I used it's own winch to bring the boat far enough forward to hook up to the Highlander.

Since the Highlander is new (2 months old) I wanted to find out what size drawbar I should get.
Decided to tow the rig to the nearest flat parking lot to do some measurements.
Just as I was leaving the driveway, this beautiful young lady walks in front of me eyeing the boat.
Then she smiles, looks me in the eye and says "take me".
I instantly felt guilty and almost looked over my shoulder to see if the wife was on the doorstep to watch me go.
All I could do was smile back and then went on my way.

Have to admit, I used justwait's 'secret' procedure with the mirror backing in and it went pretty good.. except for the two people who stepped right behind the boat as they walked down the sidewalk.. the idiots couldn't wait a minute for me to back all the way in. Good thing the wife was standing there directing because they approached from the other side.. not the side I was judging by.

As for the draw bar.. a drop of 1.5" seemed good until I accounted for the tongue weight pushing down the Highlanders rear end.
maybe a 1" rise or bar equal to the hitch would be better.

What is the tongue weight?

JustWaitAFrekinMinute June 1st 13 08:47 PM

Boat out...sort of...
 
On 6/1/2013 2:35 PM, True North wrote:
Since it is hot and sunny today, I removed the Navigloo shelter system from my Legend 16 Xcalibur Fish & Ski boat. I used it's own winch to bring the boat far enough forward to hook up to the Highlander.

Since the Highlander is new (2 months old) I wanted to find out what size drawbar I should get.
Decided to tow the rig to the nearest flat parking lot to do some measurements.
Just as I was leaving the driveway, this beautiful young lady walks in front of me eyeing the boat.
Then she smiles, looks me in the eye and says "take me".
I instantly felt guilty and almost looked over my shoulder to see if the wife was on the doorstep to watch me go.
All I could do was smile back and then went on my way.

Have to admit, I used justwait's 'secret' procedure with the mirror backing in and it went pretty good.. except for the two people who stepped right behind the boat as they walked down the sidewalk.. the idiots couldn't wait a minute for me to back all the way in. Good thing the wife was standing there directing because they approached from the other side.. not the side I was judging by.

As for the draw bar.. a drop of 1.5" seemed good until I accounted for the tongue weight pushing down the Highlanders rear end.
maybe a 1" rise or bar equal to the hitch would be better.


To be honest, it wasn't a "secret" at all, I have been having some
tunnel carpal probs and just didn't feel like typing it out that night..
Figured someone would ask and I would get into it the next day...

True North[_2_] June 1st 13 09:24 PM

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About 185 lbs

Hank©[_2_] June 1st 13 09:30 PM

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On 6/1/2013 4:24 PM, True North wrote:
About 185 lbs

and the trailer/ boat package weighs with fuel and gear?

True North[_2_] June 1st 13 10:43 PM

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Didn't I say 2000lbs?
Actually, on the way back from the dealer it was 1930 lbs. according to a highway weigh station

Hank©[_2_] June 1st 13 10:48 PM

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On 6/1/2013 5:43 PM, True North wrote:
Didn't I say 2000lbs?
Actually, on the way back from the dealer it was 1930 lbs. according to a highway weigh station

!0 to 15 % is the accepted ratio. You are a tad low. Where you place
your batteries fuel and gear might change the ratio a bit. If your
vehicle is sagging, you might try helper springs or spring shocks.

True North[_2_] June 1st 13 11:50 PM

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On Saturday, 1 June 2013 18:48:14 UTC-3, Hank© wrote:
On 6/1/2013 5:43 PM, True North wrote:

Didn't I say 2000lbs?


Actually, on the way back from the dealer it was 1930 lbs. according to a highway weigh station




!0 to 15 % is the accepted ratio. You are a tad low. Where you place

your batteries fuel and gear might change the ratio a bit. If your

vehicle is sagging, you might try helper springs or spring shocks.


Up here they recommend 8-12%

Hank©[_2_] June 2nd 13 12:19 AM

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On 6/1/2013 6:50 PM, True North wrote:
On Saturday, 1 June 2013 18:48:14 UTC-3, Hank© wrote:
On 6/1/2013 5:43 PM, True North wrote:

Didn't I say 2000lbs?


Actually, on the way back from the dealer it was 1930 lbs. according to a highway weigh station




!0 to 15 % is the accepted ratio. You are a tad low. Where you place

your batteries fuel and gear might change the ratio a bit. If your

vehicle is sagging, you might try helper springs or spring shocks.


Up here they recommend 8-12%


I don't care. ;-)


Wayne B June 2nd 13 02:44 AM

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On Sat, 1 Jun 2013 15:50:35 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

On Saturday, 1 June 2013 18:48:14 UTC-3, Hank© wrote:
On 6/1/2013 5:43 PM, True North wrote:

Didn't I say 2000lbs?


Actually, on the way back from the dealer it was 1930 lbs. according to a highway weigh station




!0 to 15 % is the accepted ratio. You are a tad low. Where you place

your batteries fuel and gear might change the ratio a bit. If your

vehicle is sagging, you might try helper springs or spring shocks.


Up here they recommend 8-12%


===

As long as it tows straight at highway speeds with no tendency to sway
or fishtail, your tongue weight should be OK.

True North[_2_] June 2nd 13 01:00 PM

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It feels perfect and is set up by the dealer. Even with the smaller RAV4, it towed level like a dream...I expect even better with the more powerful Highlander.

Hank©[_2_] June 2nd 13 01:55 PM

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On 6/2/2013 8:00 AM, True North wrote:
It feels perfect and is set up by the dealer. Even with the smaller RAV4, it towed level like a dream...I expect even better with the more powerful Highlander.


What in the world are you talking about, Donnie?

True North[_2_] June 2nd 13 02:16 PM

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On Sunday, 2 June 2013 09:55:10 UTC-3, Hank© wrote:
On 6/2/2013 8:00 AM, True North wrote:

It feels perfect and is set up by the dealer. Even with the smaller RAV4, it towed level like a dream...I expect even better with the more powerful Highlander.






What in the world are you talking about, Donnie?



I'm talkin' about buying a passel of Floriduh swampland........... duh!

F.O.A.D. June 2nd 13 02:22 PM

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On 6/2/13 9:16 AM, True North wrote:
On Sunday, 2 June 2013 09:55:10 UTC-3, Hank© wrote:
On 6/2/2013 8:00 AM, True North wrote:

It feels perfect and is set up by the dealer. Even with the smaller RAV4, it towed level like a dream...I expect even better with the more powerful Highlander.






What in the world are you talking about, Donnie?



I'm talkin' about buying a passel of Floriduh swampland........... duh!


A better question might be, why bother reading the posts of or
responding to the snarly people here who are nothing but nattering
nabobs of negativity?

iBoaterer[_3_] June 2nd 13 02:26 PM

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In article ,
says...

On Sunday, 2 June 2013 09:55:10 UTC-3, Hank© wrote:
On 6/2/2013 8:00 AM, True North wrote:

It feels perfect and is set up by the dealer. Even with the smaller RAV4, it towed level like a dream...I expect even better with the more powerful Highlander.






What in the world are you talking about, Donnie?



I'm talkin' about buying a passel of Floriduh swampland........... duh!


If you can buy a "passel" of Florida swampland, you should go for it.
You could make a LOT of money.

F.O.A.D. June 2nd 13 02:44 PM

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On 6/2/13 9:26 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Sunday, 2 June 2013 09:55:10 UTC-3, Hank© wrote:
On 6/2/2013 8:00 AM, True North wrote:

It feels perfect and is set up by the dealer. Even with the smaller RAV4, it towed level like a dream...I expect even better with the more powerful Highlander.





What in the world are you talking about, Donnie?



I'm talkin' about buying a passel of Floriduh swampland........... duh!


If you can buy a "passel" of Florida swampland, you should go for it.
You could make a LOT of money.


At the rate the aquifer in Florida reportedly is dropping because of
overdevelopment, droughts and global warming, an investment in water
trucks might be more profitable. :)

Hank©[_2_] June 2nd 13 02:47 PM

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On 6/2/2013 9:16 AM, True North wrote:
On Sunday, 2 June 2013 09:55:10 UTC-3, Hank© wrote:
On 6/2/2013 8:00 AM, True North wrote:

It feels perfect and is set up by the dealer. Even with the smaller RAV4, it towed level like a dream...I expect even better with the more powerful Highlander.






What in the world are you talking about, Donnie?



I'm talkin' about buying a passel of Floriduh swampland........... duh!

Doubt if they'd letcha tow it back to Noviscotia

Hank©[_2_] June 2nd 13 02:48 PM

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On 6/2/2013 9:22 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 6/2/13 9:16 AM, True North wrote:
On Sunday, 2 June 2013 09:55:10 UTC-3, Hank© wrote:
On 6/2/2013 8:00 AM, True North wrote:

It feels perfect and is set up by the dealer. Even with the smaller
RAV4, it towed level like a dream...I expect even better with the
more powerful Highlander.





What in the world are you talking about, Donnie?



I'm talkin' about buying a passel of Floriduh swampland........... duh!


A better question might be, why bother reading the posts of or
responding to the snarly people here who are nothing but nattering
nabobs of negativity?


You being the prime example of that.

Hank©[_2_] June 2nd 13 02:55 PM

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On 6/2/2013 9:44 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 6/2/13 9:26 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Sunday, 2 June 2013 09:55:10 UTC-3, Hank© wrote:
On 6/2/2013 8:00 AM, True North wrote:

It feels perfect and is set up by the dealer. Even with the smaller
RAV4, it towed level like a dream...I expect even better with the
more powerful Highlander.





What in the world are you talking about, Donnie?


I'm talkin' about buying a passel of Floriduh swampland........... duh!


If you can buy a "passel" of Florida swampland, you should go for it.
You could make a LOT of money.


At the rate the aquifer in Florida reportedly is dropping because of
overdevelopment, droughts and global warming, an investment in water
trucks might be more profitable. :)


If you'd venture out into the hinterlands you might find more
undeveloped land than you ever imagined. Unfortunately, corporate
America is shipping Florida water all over the country. You might be
enjoying some as we speak.

http://www.scubatampa.com/water.html

JustWaitAFrekinMinute June 2nd 13 03:18 PM

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On 6/2/2013 9:22 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 6/2/13 9:16 AM, True North wrote:
On Sunday, 2 June 2013 09:55:10 UTC-3, Hank© wrote:
On 6/2/2013 8:00 AM, True North wrote:

It feels perfect and is set up by the dealer. Even with the smaller
RAV4, it towed level like a dream...I expect even better with the
more powerful Highlander.





What in the world are you talking about, Donnie?



I'm talkin' about buying a passel of Floriduh swampland........... duh!


A better question might be, why bother reading the posts of or
responding to the snarly people here who are nothing but nattering
nabobs of negativity?


The only one calling names since you left is don.... Maybe you guys
should take notes...

True North[_2_] June 2nd 13 03:27 PM

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On Sunday, 2 June 2013 11:18:04 UTC-3, JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:
On 6/2/2013 9:22 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:

On 6/2/13 9:16 AM, True North wrote:


On Sunday, 2 June 2013 09:55:10 UTC-3, Hank� wrote:


On 6/2/2013 8:00 AM, True North wrote:




It feels perfect and is set up by the dealer. Even with the smaller


RAV4, it towed level like a dream...I expect even better with the


more powerful Highlander.












What in the world are you talking about, Donnie?






I'm talkin' about buying a passel of Floriduh swampland........... duh!






A better question might be, why bother reading the posts of or


responding to the snarly people here who are nothing but nattering


nabobs of negativity?




The only one calling names since you left is don.... Maybe you guys

should take notes...


You really are a space cadet. I've been called many names in here lately, all from your pathetic little circle of jerks.

JustWaitAFrekinMinute June 2nd 13 03:28 PM

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On 6/2/2013 10:27 AM, True North wrote:
your pathetic little circle of jerks.


^^^^^ ummmmm ^^^^ OK...


iBoaterer[_3_] June 2nd 13 03:37 PM

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In article om, hank57
@socialworker.net says...

On 6/2/2013 9:44 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 6/2/13 9:26 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Sunday, 2 June 2013 09:55:10 UTC-3, Hank© wrote:
On 6/2/2013 8:00 AM, True North wrote:

It feels perfect and is set up by the dealer. Even with the smaller
RAV4, it towed level like a dream...I expect even better with the
more powerful Highlander.





What in the world are you talking about, Donnie?


I'm talkin' about buying a passel of Floriduh swampland........... duh!

If you can buy a "passel" of Florida swampland, you should go for it.
You could make a LOT of money.


At the rate the aquifer in Florida reportedly is dropping because of
overdevelopment, droughts and global warming, an investment in water
trucks might be more profitable. :)


If you'd venture out into the hinterlands you might find more
undeveloped land than you ever imagined. Unfortunately, corporate
America is shipping Florida water all over the country. You might be
enjoying some as we speak.

http://www.scubatampa.com/water.html


When I was a kid, my relatives had a place in Zephyrhills, FL. Our
vacations were spent there. Out on the south side of town was Crystal
Springs, owned by Zephyrhills Water, 72 degrees, clear as clear can be,
open to the public. Also, there was a spigot, where locals could fill
their water bottles for free. Zephyrhills Water Co. was cool like that.
Then Perrier bought them out. Next thing, no spigot, closed the springs
down, etc. People fought for years to re-open them, it may still be
going on.

F.O.A.D. June 2nd 13 04:45 PM

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On 6/2/13 11:38 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jun 2013 09:55:44 -0400, Hank©
wrote:

On 6/2/2013 9:44 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:



At the rate the aquifer in Florida reportedly is dropping because of
overdevelopment, droughts and global warming, an investment in water
trucks might be more profitable. :)


If you'd venture out into the hinterlands you might find more
undeveloped land than you ever imagined. Unfortunately, corporate
America is shipping Florida water all over the country. You might be
enjoying some as we speak.

http://www.scubatampa.com/water.html

This bottled water thing is a red herring.
People pump a lot more water on their lawns than all the bottled water
producers use combined.
Then you have golf courses that pump 10 million gallons a month or
more. (for every 18 holes)
I just had to pull my well and add 20 feet of pipe because the water
dropped again. In 1990 it was free flowing in 2001 it was 13 feet
down, now it is more like 35 feet down.



We don't drink "bottled water." Or city water, for that matter. We're on
a fairly deep well, I don't remember exactly how deep, between 250 and
350 feet, I think. The water tests okay and tastes okay. I'd prefer to
be on city water, but the county fathers don't want to extend city water
and sewage into most of the more newly developed areas.

In any event, Florida has and will continue to have serious issues with
potable ground water. Being an environmental engineer in Florida has to
be a pretty good job.

F.O.A.D. June 2nd 13 05:54 PM

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On 6/2/13 12:43 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jun 2013 11:45:07 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 6/2/13 11:38 AM,
wrote:

This bottled water thing is a red herring.
People pump a lot more water on their lawns than all the bottled water
producers use combined.
Then you have golf courses that pump 10 million gallons a month or
more. (for every 18 holes)
I just had to pull my well and add 20 feet of pipe because the water
dropped again. In 1990 it was free flowing in 2001 it was 13 feet
down, now it is more like 35 feet down.



We don't drink "bottled water." Or city water, for that matter. We're on
a fairly deep well, I don't remember exactly how deep, between 250 and
350 feet, I think. The water tests okay and tastes okay. I'd prefer to
be on city water, but the county fathers don't want to extend city water
and sewage into most of the more newly developed areas.

In any event, Florida has and will continue to have serious issues with
potable ground water. Being an environmental engineer in Florida has to
be a pretty good job.


Bottled water is pretty popular here because the well water is not
really that good. You can aerate it (to remove H2S) and run it through
an R/O to make it potable. My biggest use of bottled water is in my
hurricane prep but we do keep a bunch on the boat because it keeps
better than tap water.
It is about the time of year when we pack every nook and cranny of the
freezers with bottles of water and eat down the food.
If you treat bottled water like a soft drink or a beer, I still do not
see the problem.


Everyone I know around here with a boat, no matter the size, uses
bottled water on board, even to brush their teeth. We use the on-board
water tank for showers, et cetera.

iBoaterer[_3_] June 2nd 13 05:57 PM

Boat out...sort of...
 
In article ,
says...

On Sun, 02 Jun 2013 11:45:07 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 6/2/13 11:38 AM,
wrote:

This bottled water thing is a red herring.
People pump a lot more water on their lawns than all the bottled water
producers use combined.
Then you have golf courses that pump 10 million gallons a month or
more. (for every 18 holes)
I just had to pull my well and add 20 feet of pipe because the water
dropped again. In 1990 it was free flowing in 2001 it was 13 feet
down, now it is more like 35 feet down.



We don't drink "bottled water." Or city water, for that matter. We're on
a fairly deep well, I don't remember exactly how deep, between 250 and
350 feet, I think. The water tests okay and tastes okay. I'd prefer to
be on city water, but the county fathers don't want to extend city water
and sewage into most of the more newly developed areas.

In any event, Florida has and will continue to have serious issues with
potable ground water. Being an environmental engineer in Florida has to
be a pretty good job.


Bottled water is pretty popular here because the well water is not
really that good. You can aerate it (to remove H2S) and run it through
an R/O to make it potable. My biggest use of bottled water is in my
hurricane prep but we do keep a bunch on the boat because it keeps
better than tap water.
It is about the time of year when we pack every nook and cranny of the
freezers with bottles of water and eat down the food.
If you treat bottled water like a soft drink or a beer, I still do not
see the problem.


We had decent well water in Zephyrhills, but believe it or not, it
wasn't great, aquafer really hard to get to in some places, then right
down the road, it's at the surface!

Eisboch[_8_] June 2nd 13 06:02 PM

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wrote in message ...

On Sun, 02 Jun 2013 11:45:07 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 6/2/13 11:38 AM, wrote:


This bottled water thing is a red herring.
People pump a lot more water on their lawns than all the bottled
water
producers use combined.
Then you have golf courses that pump 10 million gallons a month or
more. (for every 18 holes)
I just had to pull my well and add 20 feet of pipe because the
water
dropped again. In 1990 it was free flowing in 2001 it was 13 feet
down, now it is more like 35 feet down.



We don't drink "bottled water." Or city water, for that matter. We're
on
a fairly deep well, I don't remember exactly how deep, between 250
and
350 feet, I think. The water tests okay and tastes okay. I'd prefer
to
be on city water, but the county fathers don't want to extend city
water
and sewage into most of the more newly developed areas.

In any event, Florida has and will continue to have serious issues
with
potable ground water. Being an environmental engineer in Florida has
to
be a pretty good job.


Bottled water is pretty popular here because the well water is not
really that good. You can aerate it (to remove H2S) and run it through
an R/O to make it potable. My biggest use of bottled water is in my
hurricane prep but we do keep a bunch on the boat because it keeps
better than tap water.
It is about the time of year when we pack every nook and cranny of the
freezers with bottles of water and eat down the food.
If you treat bottled water like a soft drink or a beer, I still do not
see the problem.

------------------------------------------------

I could bring myself to drinking the well water we had in Florida.
Even after having a complete, new water conditioning system (the
carbon filter tank and some other kind of filter) and having it
professionally maintained monthly, the water still had a strange,
sulfur-like odor. I had a small R/O system but the water it produced
was totally tasteless and bland. All our drinking water was bottled
.... purchased in the 5 gallon jugs and dispersed through a
cooler/heater.

I was told the Florida house had a "shallow well" meaning 20 ft or
less. The well we installed here in MA for general lawn maintenance
and for the horses is 520 ft deep and it's pure, clean, odorless
water, fit for drinking without any chemicals or conditioning needed.



F.O.A.D. June 2nd 13 06:07 PM

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On 6/2/13 1:02 PM, Eisboch wrote:


wrote in message ...

On Sun, 02 Jun 2013 11:45:07 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 6/2/13 11:38 AM, wrote:


This bottled water thing is a red herring.
People pump a lot more water on their lawns than all the bottled water
producers use combined.
Then you have golf courses that pump 10 million gallons a month or
more. (for every 18 holes)
I just had to pull my well and add 20 feet of pipe because the water
dropped again. In 1990 it was free flowing in 2001 it was 13 feet
down, now it is more like 35 feet down.



We don't drink "bottled water." Or city water, for that matter. We're on
a fairly deep well, I don't remember exactly how deep, between 250 and
350 feet, I think. The water tests okay and tastes okay. I'd prefer to
be on city water, but the county fathers don't want to extend city water
and sewage into most of the more newly developed areas.

In any event, Florida has and will continue to have serious issues with
potable ground water. Being an environmental engineer in Florida has to
be a pretty good job.


Bottled water is pretty popular here because the well water is not
really that good. You can aerate it (to remove H2S) and run it through
an R/O to make it potable. My biggest use of bottled water is in my
hurricane prep but we do keep a bunch on the boat because it keeps
better than tap water.
It is about the time of year when we pack every nook and cranny of the
freezers with bottles of water and eat down the food.
If you treat bottled water like a soft drink or a beer, I still do not
see the problem.

------------------------------------------------

I could bring myself to drinking the well water we had in Florida. Even
after having a complete, new water conditioning system (the carbon
filter tank and some other kind of filter) and having it professionally
maintained monthly, the water still had a strange, sulfur-like odor. I
had a small R/O system but the water it produced was totally tasteless
and bland. All our drinking water was bottled ... purchased in the 5
gallon jugs and dispersed through a cooler/heater.

I was told the Florida house had a "shallow well" meaning 20 ft or
less. The well we installed here in MA for general lawn maintenance
and for the horses is 520 ft deep and it's pure, clean, odorless water,
fit for drinking without any chemicals or conditioning needed.



In these "heah parts," a 520 foot well would run you about $6000, just
for the hole. If I had to pay to drill to that depth, I'd prefer to hit
oil, and truck in bottled water for the horsies to drink.

Eisboch[_8_] June 2nd 13 06:37 PM

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"I could bring myself to drinking the well water we had in Florida. "

Geeze!

Meant to say "I could never bring ....."

Getting old is a bitch.



Eisboch[_8_] June 2nd 13 06:52 PM

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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...


In these "heah parts," a 520 foot well would run you about $6000, just
for the hole. If I had to pay to drill to that depth, I'd prefer to
hit
oil, and truck in bottled water for the horsies to drink.

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That's just about what it cost but it included the pump, accumulator,
electrical wiring and control box. It was done several years ago and
has easily paid for it's self by now. We have a lot of lawn serviced
by sprinkler systems plus we have added a pool that we use the well
water to maintain. Before adding the well our town water bill was
getting close to $2k per year. It has dropped to a few hundred
dollars since adding the well.

The old timer drilling guy explained to me that they drill deep enough
to ensure at least a 12 gallons a minute delivery. It was interesting
watching the drilling process as he described the various levels of
rock and soil it was going through. He knew exactly where to find
the "good" stuff. He called it at about 100 ft and sure enough, at
500 ft he started getting nice results. Went another 20 ft and was
satisfied with 18 gallons per minute.





F.O.A.D. June 2nd 13 06:57 PM

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On 6/2/13 1:52 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...


In these "heah parts," a 520 foot well would run you about $6000, just
for the hole. If I had to pay to drill to that depth, I'd prefer to hit
oil, and truck in bottled water for the horsies to drink.

----------------------------------------

That's just about what it cost but it included the pump, accumulator,
electrical wiring and control box. It was done several years ago and
has easily paid for it's self by now. We have a lot of lawn serviced
by sprinkler systems plus we have added a pool that we use the well
water to maintain. Before adding the well our town water bill was
getting close to $2k per year. It has dropped to a few hundred dollars
since adding the well.

The old timer drilling guy explained to me that they drill deep enough
to ensure at least a 12 gallons a minute delivery. It was interesting
watching the drilling process as he described the various levels of rock
and soil it was going through. He knew exactly where to find the
"good" stuff. He called it at about 100 ft and sure enough, at 500 ft
he started getting nice results. Went another 20 ft and was satisfied
with 18 gallons per minute.






Our driller hit 20 gph at somewhere between 250 and 350. Interesting
pile of "chad" his drill brought up, but he loaded that onto a dumptruck
and hauled it somewhere.

True North[_2_] June 2nd 13 07:08 PM

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On Sunday, 2 June 2013 14:52:17 UTC-3, F.O.A.D. wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message

m...





In these "heah parts," a 520 foot well would run you about $6000, just

for the hole. If I had to pay to drill to that depth, I'd prefer to

hit

oil, and truck in bottled water for the horsies to drink.



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That's just about what it cost but it included the pump, accumulator,

electrical wiring and control box. It was done several years ago and

has easily paid for it's self by now. We have a lot of lawn serviced

by sprinkler systems plus we have added a pool that we use the well

water to maintain. Before adding the well our town water bill was

getting close to $2k per year. It has dropped to a few hundred

dollars since adding the well.



The old timer drilling guy explained to me that they drill deep enough

to ensure at least a 12 gallons a minute delivery. It was interesting

watching the drilling process as he described the various levels of

rock and soil it was going through. He knew exactly where to find

the "good" stuff. He called it at about 100 ft and sure enough, at

500 ft he started getting nice results. Went another 20 ft and was

satisfied with 18 gallons per minute.


Whew.. when we built the Cape Cod style house 12 miles out of town in the mid 70's, we drilled 165 feet and got half a gallon a minute. That worked ok unless we tried to wash clothes, water the lawn and use the toilet all at the same time.
Once we had a Halloween party of about 20 at the house and I could hear the pump running steady.. that scared me, but next morning all was back to normal.

now we have city water, which they like to brag is darn good until last fall. We had an unusually hot August and a very rainy September which caused something new (geosporin sc??) to develop and make out water smelland taste earthy.
In past summers we would go to the local grocery store to re-fill 4 liter jugs with city water treated with fine filters, reverse osmosis and UV light.. When the problem didn't go away by Christmas, we bought a Brita pitcher with carbon filter. That worked well.

Eisboch[_8_] June 2nd 13 07:33 PM

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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 6/2/13 1:52 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...


In these "heah parts," a 520 foot well would run you about $6000,
just
for the hole. If I had to pay to drill to that depth, I'd prefer to
hit
oil, and truck in bottled water for the horsies to drink.

----------------------------------------

That's just about what it cost but it included the pump,
accumulator,
electrical wiring and control box. It was done several years ago
and
has easily paid for it's self by now. We have a lot of lawn
serviced
by sprinkler systems plus we have added a pool that we use the well
water to maintain. Before adding the well our town water bill was
getting close to $2k per year. It has dropped to a few hundred
dollars
since adding the well.

The old timer drilling guy explained to me that they drill deep
enough
to ensure at least a 12 gallons a minute delivery. It was
interesting
watching the drilling process as he described the various levels of
rock
and soil it was going through. He knew exactly where to find the
"good" stuff. He called it at about 100 ft and sure enough, at 500
ft
he started getting nice results. Went another 20 ft and was
satisfied
with 18 gallons per minute.






Our driller hit 20 gph at somewhere between 250 and 350. Interesting
pile of "chad" his drill brought up, but he loaded that onto a
dumptruck
and hauled it somewhere.

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Your property was a former voting place?

You sure about 20 gph? That's not much water. Probably meant 20
gpm.



Eisboch[_8_] June 2nd 13 07:38 PM

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"True North" wrote in message
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In past summers we would go to the local grocery store to re-fill 4
liter jugs with city water treated with fine filters, reverse osmosis
and UV light. When the problem didn't go away by Christmas, we bought
a Brita pitcher with carbon filter. That worked well.

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My daughter gave me one of those Brita pitchers last Christmas. I
love it and use it constantly. Other than decaf coffee and an
occasional Sam Adams once or twice a month all I drink now is water.
Found a eBay store that sold replacement filters and have enough to
last about 3 years.



True North[_2_] June 2nd 13 08:09 PM

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We bought the pitcher and filters from Costco.
I believe the filters are $30 for six...should last a year.

F.O.A.D. June 2nd 13 08:37 PM

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On 6/2/13 2:33 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 6/2/13 1:52 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...


In these "heah parts," a 520 foot well would run you about $6000, just
for the hole. If I had to pay to drill to that depth, I'd prefer to hit
oil, and truck in bottled water for the horsies to drink.

----------------------------------------

That's just about what it cost but it included the pump, accumulator,
electrical wiring and control box. It was done several years ago and
has easily paid for it's self by now. We have a lot of lawn serviced
by sprinkler systems plus we have added a pool that we use the well
water to maintain. Before adding the well our town water bill was
getting close to $2k per year. It has dropped to a few hundred dollars
since adding the well.

The old timer drilling guy explained to me that they drill deep enough
to ensure at least a 12 gallons a minute delivery. It was interesting
watching the drilling process as he described the various levels of rock
and soil it was going through. He knew exactly where to find the
"good" stuff. He called it at about 100 ft and sure enough, at 500 ft
he started getting nice results. Went another 20 ft and was satisfied
with 18 gallons per minute.






Our driller hit 20 gph at somewhere between 250 and 350. Interesting
pile of "chad" his drill brought up, but he loaded that onto a dumptruck
and hauled it somewhere.

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Your property was a former voting place?

You sure about 20 gph? That's not much water. Probably meant 20 gpm.



Whoops....chat and 20 gpm. Chad brings back memories of some election
somewhere.


iBoaterer[_3_] June 2nd 13 09:00 PM

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In article ,
says...

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On Sun, 02 Jun 2013 11:45:07 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 6/2/13 11:38 AM,
wrote:

This bottled water thing is a red herring.
People pump a lot more water on their lawns than all the bottled
water
producers use combined.
Then you have golf courses that pump 10 million gallons a month or
more. (for every 18 holes)
I just had to pull my well and add 20 feet of pipe because the
water
dropped again. In 1990 it was free flowing in 2001 it was 13 feet
down, now it is more like 35 feet down.



We don't drink "bottled water." Or city water, for that matter. We're
on
a fairly deep well, I don't remember exactly how deep, between 250
and
350 feet, I think. The water tests okay and tastes okay. I'd prefer
to
be on city water, but the county fathers don't want to extend city
water
and sewage into most of the more newly developed areas.

In any event, Florida has and will continue to have serious issues
with
potable ground water. Being an environmental engineer in Florida has
to
be a pretty good job.


Bottled water is pretty popular here because the well water is not
really that good. You can aerate it (to remove H2S) and run it through
an R/O to make it potable. My biggest use of bottled water is in my
hurricane prep but we do keep a bunch on the boat because it keeps
better than tap water.
It is about the time of year when we pack every nook and cranny of the
freezers with bottles of water and eat down the food.
If you treat bottled water like a soft drink or a beer, I still do not
see the problem.

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I could bring myself to drinking the well water we had in Florida.
Even after having a complete, new water conditioning system (the
carbon filter tank and some other kind of filter) and having it
professionally maintained monthly, the water still had a strange,
sulfur-like odor. I had a small R/O system but the water it produced
was totally tasteless and bland. All our drinking water was bottled
... purchased in the 5 gallon jugs and dispersed through a
cooler/heater.

I was told the Florida house had a "shallow well" meaning 20 ft or
less. The well we installed here in MA for general lawn maintenance
and for the horses is 520 ft deep and it's pure, clean, odorless
water, fit for drinking without any chemicals or conditioning needed.


Well water in Florida is touch and go, you can go from one place with
decent well water to another a couple of miles away and it will be
sulfur or iron water.

iBoaterer[_3_] June 2nd 13 09:02 PM

Boat out...sort of...
 
In article ,
says...

"True North" wrote in message
...

In past summers we would go to the local grocery store to re-fill 4
liter jugs with city water treated with fine filters, reverse osmosis
and UV light. When the problem didn't go away by Christmas, we bought
a Brita pitcher with carbon filter. That worked well.

-----------------------------------------------

My daughter gave me one of those Brita pitchers last Christmas. I
love it and use it constantly. Other than decaf coffee and an
occasional Sam Adams once or twice a month all I drink now is water.
Found a eBay store that sold replacement filters and have enough to
last about 3 years.


I have one and use it all of the time as well.

John H[_2_] June 2nd 13 10:02 PM

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On Sat, 1 Jun 2013 11:35:57 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

Since it is hot and sunny today, I removed the Navigloo shelter system from my Legend 16 Xcalibur Fish & Ski boat. I used it's own winch to bring the boat far enough forward to hook up to the Highlander.

Since the Highlander is new (2 months old) I wanted to find out what size drawbar I should get.
Decided to tow the rig to the nearest flat parking lot to do some measurements.
Just as I was leaving the driveway, this beautiful young lady walks in front of me eyeing the boat.
Then she smiles, looks me in the eye and says "take me".
I instantly felt guilty and almost looked over my shoulder to see if the wife was on the doorstep to watch me go.
All I could do was smile back and then went on my way.

Have to admit, I used justwait's 'secret' procedure with the mirror backing in and it went pretty good.. except for the two people who stepped right behind the boat as they walked down the sidewalk.. the idiots couldn't wait a minute for me to back all the way in. Good thing the wife was standing there directing because they approached from the other side.. not the side I was judging by.

As for the draw bar.. a drop of 1.5" seemed good until I accounted for the tongue weight pushing down the Highlanders rear end.
maybe a 1" rise or bar equal to the hitch would be better.


We used no drop on the Highlander hitch for the boat.

John H.
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