[Wayne B]

On Thu, 23 May 2013 12:41:47 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

Well, maybe more since the mid 80's or so... when it became ok for
public school teachers to act like university teachers in the classroom

===

How many university teachers are you acquainted with? They're all
different in my experience. I have a good friend and former sailing
buddy who is is a full professor at NYU and just about as conservative
as you'd want to get.

[JustWaitAFrekinMinute]

On 5/23/2013 3:16 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Thu, 23 May 2013 12:41:47 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

Well, maybe more since the mid 80's or so... when it became ok for
public school teachers to act like university teachers in the classroom

===

How many university teachers are you acquainted with? They're all
different in my experience. I have a good friend and former sailing
buddy who is is a full professor at NYU and just about as conservative
as you'd want to get.


Well, if we can't stipulate that the 90+% of university teachers who
equate themselves with liberal causes, are mostly liberals, and can't
stipulate that many of these teachers incorporate that into their
cirricu... er, uh, agenda... we have no discussion...

[F.O.A.D.]

On 5/23/13 4:46 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 5/23/2013 3:16 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Thu, 23 May 2013 12:41:47 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

Well, maybe more since the mid 80's or so... when it became ok for
public school teachers to act like university teachers in the classroom

===

How many university teachers are you acquainted with? They're all
different in my experience. I have a good friend and former sailing
buddy who is is a full professor at NYU and just about as conservative
as you'd want to get.


Well, if we can't stipulate that the 90+% of university teachers who
equate themselves with liberal causes, are mostly liberals, and can't
stipulate that many of these teachers incorporate that into their
cirricu... er, uh, agenda... we have no discussion...


You have no discussion.

[F.O.A.D.]

wrote:
On Thu, 23 May 2013 15:16:25 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Thu, 23 May 2013 12:41:47 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

Well, maybe more since the mid 80's or so... when it became ok for
public school teachers to act like university teachers in the classroom

===

How many university teachers are you acquainted with? They're all
different in my experience. I have a good friend and former sailing
buddy who is is a full professor at NYU and just about as conservative
as you'd want to get.

My daughter's father in law (a retired history professor) is that way
too but he always complains that he couldn't say much around the
campus, lest he be shunned.
He is also the biggest critic of the university scam I have heard.
He says universities are mostly focused on protecting professor jobs,
not preparing students for a job.
He still took the money tho. Now he is sailing the Indian river behind
Melbourne beach most days or up in his lake house near Oprah's house
in New Buffalo Michigan.

Educators certainly don't seem to be destitute as they would have you
believe.

I never thought a college's purpose was to prepare students for a job.

[iBoaterer[_3_]]

In article ,
says...

On 24 May 2013 00:04:48 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:

My daughter's father in law (a retired history professor) is that way
too but he always complains that he couldn't say much around the
campus, lest he be shunned.
He is also the biggest critic of the university scam I have heard.
He says universities are mostly focused on protecting professor jobs,
not preparing students for a job.
He still took the money tho. Now he is sailing the Indian river behind
Melbourne beach most days or up in his lake house near Oprah's house
in New Buffalo Michigan.

Educators certainly don't seem to be destitute as they would have you
believe.

I never thought a college's purpose was to prepare students for a job.

That does seem shocking to the graduates who find out their degree
just allows them to be the most interesting barista at Starbucks.
I guess they can hang that sheepskin on the wall of their parent's
basement, over their bed.


Gee, my degree has taken me further than I imagined. It's what you do
with it that counts.

I find it pretty funny that you and Scotty both think that education
isn't important.

[Califbill]

"iBoaterer" wrote in message
...

In article ,
says...

On 24 May 2013 00:04:48 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:

My daughter's father in law (a retired history professor) is that way
too but he always complains that he couldn't say much around the
campus, lest he be shunned.
He is also the biggest critic of the university scam I have heard.
He says universities are mostly focused on protecting professor jobs,
not preparing students for a job.
He still took the money tho. Now he is sailing the Indian river behind
Melbourne beach most days or up in his lake house near Oprah's house
in New Buffalo Michigan.

Educators certainly don't seem to be destitute as they would have you
believe.

I never thought a college's purpose was to prepare students for a job.

That does seem shocking to the graduates who find out their degree
just allows them to be the most interesting barista at Starbucks.
I guess they can hang that sheepskin on the wall of their parent's
basement, over their bed.


Gee, my degree has taken me further than I imagined. It's what you do
with it that counts.

I find it pretty funny that you and Scotty both think that education
isn't important.

----------


Depends on the degree.

[F.O.A.D.]

On 6/20/13 2:42 PM, Califbill wrote:
"iBoaterer" wrote in message
...

In article ,
says...

On 24 May 2013 00:04:48 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:

My daughter's father in law (a retired history professor) is that way
too but he always complains that he couldn't say much around the
campus, lest he be shunned.
He is also the biggest critic of the university scam I have heard.
He says universities are mostly focused on protecting professor jobs,
not preparing students for a job.
He still took the money tho. Now he is sailing the Indian river behind
Melbourne beach most days or up in his lake house near Oprah's house
in New Buffalo Michigan.

Educators certainly don't seem to be destitute as they would have you
believe.

I never thought a college's purpose was to prepare students for a job.

That does seem shocking to the graduates who find out their degree
just allows them to be the most interesting barista at Starbucks.
I guess they can hang that sheepskin on the wall of their parent's
basement, over their bed.


Gee, my degree has taken me further than I imagined. It's what you do
with it that counts.

I find it pretty funny that you and Scotty both think that education
isn't important.

----------


Depends on the degree.



Here we go again.

[Califbill]

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 6/20/13 2:42 PM, Califbill wrote:
"iBoaterer" wrote in message
...

In article ,
says...

On 24 May 2013 00:04:48 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:

My daughter's father in law (a retired history professor) is that way
too but he always complains that he couldn't say much around the
campus, lest he be shunned.
He is also the biggest critic of the university scam I have heard.
He says universities are mostly focused on protecting professor jobs,
not preparing students for a job.
He still took the money tho. Now he is sailing the Indian river behind
Melbourne beach most days or up in his lake house near Oprah's house
in New Buffalo Michigan.

Educators certainly don't seem to be destitute as they would have you
believe.

I never thought a college's purpose was to prepare students for a job.

That does seem shocking to the graduates who find out their degree
just allows them to be the most interesting barista at Starbucks.
I guess they can hang that sheepskin on the wall of their parent's
basement, over their bed.


Gee, my degree has taken me further than I imagined. It's what you do
with it that counts.

I find it pretty funny that you and Scotty both think that education
isn't important.

----------


Depends on the degree.



Here we go again.
--------------

I'll post a link later to the local newspapers report on a college website
as too what people made 5 years after graduation depending on degree. A
performing arts degree was about $15k I think.

[F.O.A.D.]

On 6/20/13 3:23 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 6/20/13 2:42 PM, Califbill wrote:
"iBoaterer" wrote in message
...

In article ,
says...

On 24 May 2013 00:04:48 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:

My daughter's father in law (a retired history professor) is that way
too but he always complains that he couldn't say much around the
campus, lest he be shunned.
He is also the biggest critic of the university scam I have heard.
He says universities are mostly focused on protecting professor jobs,
not preparing students for a job.
He still took the money tho. Now he is sailing the Indian river
behind
Melbourne beach most days or up in his lake house near Oprah's house
in New Buffalo Michigan.

Educators certainly don't seem to be destitute as they would have you
believe.

I never thought a college's purpose was to prepare students for a job.

That does seem shocking to the graduates who find out their degree
just allows them to be the most interesting barista at Starbucks.
I guess they can hang that sheepskin on the wall of their parent's
basement, over their bed.


Gee, my degree has taken me further than I imagined. It's what you do
with it that counts.

I find it pretty funny that you and Scotty both think that education
isn't important.

----------


Depends on the degree.



Here we go again.
--------------

I'll post a link later to the local newspapers report on a college
website as too what people made 5 years after graduation depending on
degree. A performing arts degree was about $15k I think.


You keep equating the value of liberal arts education only in terms of
what one can earn in a particular field or a particular degree.

I don't accept the premise. What is important is what they can
contribute to our society and to culture generally.

Mozart and Van Gogh died in abject poverty. Their contributions to
society and culture far outweigh their meager earnings. Teachers,
firemen, social workers and nurses are not typically high up there on
the monetary earnings scale, yet they are major contributors to what
makes our society tick.

Not everyone who goes to college is interesting in following a higher
education trade school path. When I was getting my B.A., I was offered
the "opportunity" to enroll in the journalism school. I turned it down
because I was sure there was nothing I could learn there that I couldn't
learn by being an English major. In fact, *I* was the one hired by the
major newspaper in the area in my junior year, a fact that really ****ed
off one of the professors at the journalism school.

[JustWaitAFrekinMinute]

On 6/20/2013 2:42 PM, Califbill wrote:
"iBoaterer" wrote in message
...

In article ,
says...

On 24 May 2013 00:04:48 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:

My daughter's father in law (a retired history professor) is that way
too but he always complains that he couldn't say much around the
campus, lest he be shunned.
He is also the biggest critic of the university scam I have heard.
He says universities are mostly focused on protecting professor jobs,
not preparing students for a job.
He still took the money tho. Now he is sailing the Indian river behind
Melbourne beach most days or up in his lake house near Oprah's house
in New Buffalo Michigan.

Educators certainly don't seem to be destitute as they would have you
believe.

I never thought a college's purpose was to prepare students for a job.

That does seem shocking to the graduates who find out their degree
just allows them to be the most interesting barista at Starbucks.
I guess they can hang that sheepskin on the wall of their parent's
basement, over their bed.


Gee, my degree has taken me further than I imagined. It's what you do
with it that counts.

I find it pretty funny that you and Scotty both think that education
isn't important.

----------


Depends on the degree.


Please don't believe anything kevin says about me. It's a lie, he is
trying to start fights and mince words... I *never* said anything even
close to that, my two oldest went to College and earned her masters
degree, the second is furthering her college nights, and the third
hasn't gone yet.... I am trying to be nice here and participate, but
it's difficult when you all patronize folks imaginations...