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On 5/17/2013 12:02 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 5/17/13 10:42 AM, wrote: On Fri, 17 May 2013 06:57:25 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 5/16/13 11:20 PM, wrote: The thing most people don't know or chose to ignore is that our withdrawal from Iraq was only the DoD people. We left 20,000-30,000 "contractors" there to do what the military was doing. It is good for the government because dead contractors don't come home to Dover in flag draped coffins. It is not any cheaper tho. I suppose the real question is whether we have any reason to be there in the first place. Many of the "contractors" are in Iraq because of greed, and nothing more. If they come home dead, it is because they were willing to take the risk for the money. I doubt most uniformed military personnel joined up because of the money. greed? now being paid is greed? People join the military for the same reason they become firemen, police or teachers. It is a job they can get with their qualifications. They become contractors because the pay is a bit better usually because of their military training. If folks like you had not ended the draft, we would not need contract soldiers. I didn't end the draft. The draft was terminated during a Republican administration. I protested the war against Vietnam, but never the draft. In what manner did you protest? |
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#3
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On 5/17/2013 12:02 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote: I didn't end the draft. The draft was terminated during a Republican administration. I protested the war against Vietnam, but never the draft. --------------------------------------------- I have a question that might be difficult to answer objectively, given the years that have transpired. You have mentioned before that you had a high draft number which was never called. I assume at the time you were a young man in his late teens, more likely in your early 20's. Had your number been called, would you have reported as ordered? Not how you feel now .... how you felt then. |
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#4
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On 5/17/13 4:32 PM, Eisboch wrote:
On 5/17/2013 12:02 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote: I didn't end the draft. The draft was terminated during a Republican administration. I protested the war against Vietnam, but never the draft. --------------------------------------------- I have a question that might be difficult to answer objectively, given the years that have transpired. You have mentioned before that you had a high draft number which was never called. I assume at the time you were a young man in his late teens, more likely in your early 20's. Had your number been called, would you have reported as ordered? Not how you feel now .... how you felt then. Absolutely, I would have reported for a pre-induction physical and if I were judged proper cannon fodder, I would have been in the Army, I guess. But I was never called, even though all the years I was of draft age, I regularly sent my draft board a registered, return receipt letter informing it of my current status and address. My problem wasn't with the draft, it was with the moronic war against the Vietnamese people. Most young men of draft age were not drafted. |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 5/17/13 4:32 PM, Eisboch wrote: On 5/17/2013 12:02 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote: I didn't end the draft. The draft was terminated during a Republican administration. I protested the war against Vietnam, but never the draft. --------------------------------------------- I have a question that might be difficult to answer objectively, given the years that have transpired. You have mentioned before that you had a high draft number which was never called. I assume at the time you were a young man in his late teens, more likely in your early 20's. Had your number been called, would you have reported as ordered? Not how you feel now .... how you felt then. Absolutely, I would have reported for a pre-induction physical and if I were judged proper cannon fodder, I would have been in the Army, I guess. But I was never called, even though all the years I was of draft age, I regularly sent my draft board a registered, return receipt letter informing it of my current status and address. My problem wasn't with the draft, it was with the moronic war against the Vietnamese people. Most young men of draft age were not drafted. --------------------------------------------------------- Thanks. Most of us felt that way at the time. Hindsight over the years may change one's views but at the time it was the honorable thing to do. I almost got drafted. Well, actually I guess I did. But at the advice of a retired Navy Captain, I beat feet down to the Navy recruiter's office. Signed up and was told to "burn" my draft notice letter and card if I so desired. I saved them for years but are now long lost. |
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#8
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On 5/17/13 12:35 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 17 May 2013 12:02:44 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 5/17/13 10:42 AM, wrote: If folks like you had not ended the draft, we would not need contract soldiers. I didn't end the draft. The draft was terminated during a Republican administration. I protested the war against Vietnam, but never the draft. My mistake. I was sure you were against the draft or just about anything else military. So you agree, we should reinstate the draft. If we had that much conscripted labor in the military, we could get away from most, if not all, of the contracting. I favor two years of universal service. That could be fulfilled in the military or in other ways deemed important by society. I don't have much use for the military "establishment" because of its self-perpetuating nature, its affinity for war, and the weak-wristed way it cares for the short and long term needs of those who are injured. War creates billets for officer and NCO promotions and opportunities for profiteering by defense contractor establishments. My disdain for the establishments, however, doesn't mean I lack respect for honorable individuals who wear the uniform and risk their necks. |
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#10
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says... On 5/17/13 1:08 PM, wrote: On Fri, 17 May 2013 12:45:13 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: I favor two years of universal service. That could be fulfilled in the military or in other ways deemed important by society. I agree 100%. In fact it could really just be a year in some programs but it should be based on a military model of discipline and responsibility. If for no other reason, I liked the military because it made me a better student. I went from being the "do enough to get by" guy I was in high school to a guy who wanted to be at the top of my class at everything I did. The military schools make that a thing worth doing, Maybe this could also encompass an apprenticeship program if the thrust of your "service" was in patching up our crumbling infrastructure. (a worthwhile objective) The problem is, you could never get this by the unions. It takes more than a year in an apprenticeship program to learn the sort of skills necessary to do most heavy and highway, aka, infrastructure, work. Most of the skilled unions offer three to five year apprenticeships, half classroom and half work on the job under supervision. Absolute newcomers usually go through a 12-week job corps center with union instructors so the students can learn proper job skills, safety procedures and discipline. Horse****! |
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