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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 5/17/13 8:04 AM, Eisboch wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 5/16/13 11:20 PM, wrote: The thing most people don't know or chose to ignore is that our withdrawal from Iraq was only the DoD people. We left 20,000-30,000 "contractors" there to do what the military was doing. It is good for the government because dead contractors don't come home to Dover in flag draped coffins. It is not any cheaper tho. I suppose the real question is whether we have any reason to be there in the first place. Many of the "contractors" are in Iraq because of greed, and nothing more. If they come home dead, it is because they were willing to take the risk for the money. I doubt most uniformed military personnel joined up because of the money. ---------------------------------------------------------- I continue to find it incredulous that so many people or businesses engaged in providing a service or product for profit is doing so due to "greed" according to you. The goal of any person or business should be to earn more money than they spend. In personal finances, the extra can be applied to improvements in life style, education of family members and a nest egg for retirement. In business it affords growth, expansion, higher employment and job security. Some do it better than others, but without profits, we all may as well let the government define what standard of living is allowed, what education we receive, what health care is enough and what is a socially acceptable retirement income. Maybe that's your idea of utopia, but it's certainly not mine. The topic started out with an example of how a private contractor was trying to screw the federal government out of billions of dollars. "Greed" would be a mild descriptor. It then devolved to the "contractors" who went to Iraq to make more money than they could guarding buildings than they could at home, and how some of those non-military personnel are getting killed. My comment was that these non-military contractors were there for the big bucks, and that getting killed was part of their equation. That's a lot different than the motivation for a typical soldier, who isn't enlisting for "the big bucks." ------------------------------------------------------------- My point is that how a person or private contractor earns money is their business as long as it's lawful. Obviously a contract with the government was involved. If you feel the contractors are "greedy" maybe the fault lies with whatever government agency signed the contract. Personally, if I were to consider going to Iraq as a private contractor for hire and risk my life, I'd only do it for BIG bucks. But I wouldn't do it. You couldn't pay me enough. |
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#3
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On 5/17/13 8:34 AM, Eisboch wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 5/17/13 8:04 AM, Eisboch wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 5/16/13 11:20 PM, wrote: The thing most people don't know or chose to ignore is that our withdrawal from Iraq was only the DoD people. We left 20,000-30,000 "contractors" there to do what the military was doing. It is good for the government because dead contractors don't come home to Dover in flag draped coffins. It is not any cheaper tho. I suppose the real question is whether we have any reason to be there in the first place. Many of the "contractors" are in Iraq because of greed, and nothing more. If they come home dead, it is because they were willing to take the risk for the money. I doubt most uniformed military personnel joined up because of the money. ---------------------------------------------------------- I continue to find it incredulous that so many people or businesses engaged in providing a service or product for profit is doing so due to "greed" according to you. The goal of any person or business should be to earn more money than they spend. In personal finances, the extra can be applied to improvements in life style, education of family members and a nest egg for retirement. In business it affords growth, expansion, higher employment and job security. Some do it better than others, but without profits, we all may as well let the government define what standard of living is allowed, what education we receive, what health care is enough and what is a socially acceptable retirement income. Maybe that's your idea of utopia, but it's certainly not mine. The topic started out with an example of how a private contractor was trying to screw the federal government out of billions of dollars. "Greed" would be a mild descriptor. It then devolved to the "contractors" who went to Iraq to make more money than they could guarding buildings than they could at home, and how some of those non-military personnel are getting killed. My comment was that these non-military contractors were there for the big bucks, and that getting killed was part of their equation. That's a lot different than the motivation for a typical soldier, who isn't enlisting for "the big bucks." ------------------------------------------------------------- My point is that how a person or private contractor earns money is their business as long as it's lawful. Obviously a contract with the government was involved. If you feel the contractors are "greedy" maybe the fault lies with whatever government agency signed the contract. Personally, if I were to consider going to Iraq as a private contractor for hire and risk my life, I'd only do it for BIG bucks. But I wouldn't do it. You couldn't pay me enough. I think the government ought to terminate the contract with KBR on 90 days notice, and let the contractors sue. Screw 'em. As for the private guards who go to Iraq for the big bucks, as I stated, they are going there for the money and if they get killed, it isn't as if they were military volunteers who went there. I don't feel a sense of loss or sorrow for the moneygrubbing paramilitary types if they come home in a box. |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 5/17/13 8:34 AM, Eisboch wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 5/17/13 8:04 AM, Eisboch wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 5/16/13 11:20 PM, wrote: The thing most people don't know or chose to ignore is that our withdrawal from Iraq was only the DoD people. We left 20,000-30,000 "contractors" there to do what the military was doing. It is good for the government because dead contractors don't come home to Dover in flag draped coffins. It is not any cheaper tho. I suppose the real question is whether we have any reason to be there in the first place. Many of the "contractors" are in Iraq because of greed, and nothing more. If they come home dead, it is because they were willing to take the risk for the money. I doubt most uniformed military personnel joined up because of the money. ---------------------------------------------------------- I continue to find it incredulous that so many people or businesses engaged in providing a service or product for profit is doing so due to "greed" according to you. The goal of any person or business should be to earn more money than they spend. In personal finances, the extra can be applied to improvements in life style, education of family members and a nest egg for retirement. In business it affords growth, expansion, higher employment and job security. Some do it better than others, but without profits, we all may as well let the government define what standard of living is allowed, what education we receive, what health care is enough and what is a socially acceptable retirement income. Maybe that's your idea of utopia, but it's certainly not mine. The topic started out with an example of how a private contractor was trying to screw the federal government out of billions of dollars. "Greed" would be a mild descriptor. It then devolved to the "contractors" who went to Iraq to make more money than they could guarding buildings than they could at home, and how some of those non-military personnel are getting killed. My comment was that these non-military contractors were there for the big bucks, and that getting killed was part of their equation. That's a lot different than the motivation for a typical soldier, who isn't enlisting for "the big bucks." ------------------------------------------------------------- My point is that how a person or private contractor earns money is their business as long as it's lawful. Obviously a contract with the government was involved. If you feel the contractors are "greedy" maybe the fault lies with whatever government agency signed the contract. Personally, if I were to consider going to Iraq as a private contractor for hire and risk my life, I'd only do it for BIG bucks. But I wouldn't do it. You couldn't pay me enough. I think the government ought to terminate the contract with KBR on 90 days notice, and let the contractors sue. Screw 'em. As for the private guards who go to Iraq for the big bucks, as I stated, they are going there for the money and if they get killed, it isn't as if they were military volunteers who went there. I don't feel a sense of loss or sorrow for the moneygrubbing paramilitary types if they come home in a box. ----------------------------------- Interesting. Many of the paramilitary types are former military types who can't find employment back at home. I'd have a sense of sorrow for anyone who got killed trying to do their job. As for KBR contracts, most major government contracts have termination clauses in them. I used to deal with them in both direct government contracts and in contracts with major defense contractors like Raytheon, Lockheed and others. The termination clauses are typically not negotiable as they are structured for the convenience of the government. Heck, even a simple thing like my military obligation was extended for two months beyond my "contract" for "the convenience of the government". I wasn't too happy about that but there was absolutely nothing I could do about it. So, it works both ways. |
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#5
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On 5/17/13 8:53 AM, Eisboch wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message I think the government ought to terminate the contract with KBR on 90 days notice, and let the contractors sue. Screw 'em. As for the private guards who go to Iraq for the big bucks, as I stated, they are going there for the money and if they get killed, it isn't as if they were military volunteers who went there. I don't feel a sense of loss or sorrow for the moneygrubbing paramilitary types if they come home in a box. ----------------------------------- Interesting. Many of the paramilitary types are former military types who can't find employment back at home. I'd have a sense of sorrow for anyone who got killed trying to do their job. I'd of course feel a loss if and when these paramilitary contractors were engaged in humanitarian efforts, such as guarding a convoy of supplies heading to a clinic, or a convoy of food heading to a village. or guarding a hospital. |
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#7
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says... On Fri, 17 May 2013 11:48:42 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: They are attempting to do that sort of thing, along with trying to maintain peace in a place that has been on the edge of civil war for a decade. I suppose we could just get pout but if we do that we should do it everywhere in the middle east and let the big dog eat. I doubt Israel would last long tho ... at least without starting a nuclear war. If not for oil, I have no idea why we'd try to change the middle east to a Christian society. Imagine what would happen in this country if a massive military came here and said, hey, we don't like your religion, so from now on, we want you to be Hindus. I don't how of any attempt to convert the people of the middle east to christianity' Cite that. If anything we are propping up Judaism. Our involvement there has more to do with Israel than Oil. If it was just Oil we would have invaded Nigeria or Venezuela where we get a lot more oil. WTF do you think an "American type of democracy" would be??? http://tinyurl.com/6ofbm2c http://tinyurl.com/6e9ao4 |
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