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F.O.A.D. May 15th 13 02:31 AM

New Pope Lambasts Greed
 
On 5/14/13 8:04 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Tue, 14 May 2013 09:45:12 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 14 May 2013 07:43:41 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:


Greed is the driving force in the economy.


Management, labor and the consumer.
Nobody is innocent.


====

No one should be innocent.

The profit motive (call it greed if you must) is the driving force
behind all innovation, all customer service, all product excellence
and all efficient manufacturing. Without the potential for profit
(sometimes *large* profits) there are no incentives for the risks and
hard work of starting or running a business. Anything else is
socialism and we all know how that worked out in the former USSR.

Harry is bitter because success (profit) seems to have escaped him.



There are differences between "profit" and "greed," but apparently these
escape w'hine. And to say profit is the driving force behind "all
innovation" is just plain bull****.



Wayne B May 15th 13 09:53 AM

New Pope Lambasts Greed
 
On Tue, 14 May 2013 22:50:09 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 14 May 2013 21:31:20 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



There are differences between "profit" and "greed," but apparently these
escape w'hine. And to say profit is the driving force behind "all
innovation" is just plain bull****.


Examples of greedy *******s would be Edison, Firestone, Ford, Bill
Gates and your sweetie Steve Jobs (perhaps the worst of the bunch).


=======

Harry would like to think that Steve Jobs did all that work to benefit
charity and liberal causes.

F.O.A.D. May 15th 13 12:24 PM

New Pope Lambasts Greed
 
On 5/14/13 10:50 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 14 May 2013 21:31:20 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



There are differences between "profit" and "greed," but apparently these
escape w'hine. And to say profit is the driving force behind "all
innovation" is just plain bull****.


Examples of greedy *******s would be Edison, Firestone, Ford, Bill
Gates and your sweetie Steve Jobs (perhaps the worst of the bunch).


That's just silly. There have been plenty of innovators whose driving
force was intellectual curiosity and advancement of knowledge.

F.O.A.D. May 15th 13 12:31 PM

New Pope Lambasts Greed
 
On 5/15/13 4:53 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Tue, 14 May 2013 22:50:09 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 14 May 2013 21:31:20 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



There are differences between "profit" and "greed," but apparently these
escape w'hine. And to say profit is the driving force behind "all
innovation" is just plain bull****.


Examples of greedy *******s would be Edison, Firestone, Ford, Bill
Gates and your sweetie Steve Jobs (perhaps the worst of the bunch).


=======

Harry would like to think that Steve Jobs did all that work to benefit
charity and liberal causes.



What I think, W'hine, is that you were, you are and you always shall be
an asshole.

Hank©[_2_] May 15th 13 02:29 PM

New Pope Lambasts Greed
 
On 5/14/2013 10:50 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 14 May 2013 21:31:20 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



There are differences between "profit" and "greed," but apparently these
escape w'hine. And to say profit is the driving force behind "all
innovation" is just plain bull****.


Examples of greedy *******s would be Edison, Firestone, Ford, Bill
Gates and your sweetie Steve Jobs (perhaps the worst of the bunch).


It's well known that Bill Gated has dedicated his life to giving his
money away.

Hank©[_2_] May 15th 13 02:31 PM

New Pope Lambasts Greed
 
On 5/15/2013 4:53 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Tue, 14 May 2013 22:50:09 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 14 May 2013 21:31:20 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



There are differences between "profit" and "greed," but apparently these
escape w'hine. And to say profit is the driving force behind "all
innovation" is just plain bull****.


Examples of greedy *******s would be Edison, Firestone, Ford, Bill
Gates and your sweetie Steve Jobs (perhaps the worst of the bunch).


=======

Harry would like to think that Steve Jobs did all that work to benefit
charity and liberal causes.

Stevie was probably the greediest of the aforementioned.

Hank©[_2_] May 15th 13 02:35 PM

New Pope Lambasts Greed
 
On 5/15/2013 7:31 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 5/15/13 4:53 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Tue, 14 May 2013 22:50:09 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 14 May 2013 21:31:20 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



There are differences between "profit" and "greed," but apparently
these
escape w'hine. And to say profit is the driving force behind "all
innovation" is just plain bull****.


Examples of greedy *******s would be Edison, Firestone, Ford, Bill
Gates and your sweetie Steve Jobs (perhaps the worst of the bunch).


=======

Harry would like to think that Steve Jobs did all that work to benefit
charity and liberal causes.



What I think, W'hine, is that you were, you are and you always shall be
an asshole.


It's not hard to understand why *you* think that way. ;-)

iBoaterer[_3_] May 15th 13 02:36 PM

New Pope Lambasts Greed
 
In article ,
says...

On Tue, 14 May 2013 16:10:25 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:


You're not reading carefully. I don't oppose corporations making a
profit. Also, I haven't owned shares for some time and, when I did, it
wasn't because I expected to live off the dividends: I was a speculator,
and it was easier to speculate on shares than to go to a race track or
Las Vegas. Once in a while, speculative profits had something to do with
whether the corporation was making a significant profit, but mostly it
had to do with what I call "market madness," the ability of shares to
rise or fall on whims, frequently whims that had little to do with the
company's business decisions.


You still own plenty of stock, they are just held by your pension plan
or other investment vehicles you have..


Bingo!

iBoaterer[_3_] May 15th 13 02:37 PM

New Pope Lambasts Greed
 
In article ,
says...

On 5/14/13 5:22 PM,
wrote:
On Tue, 14 May 2013 16:58:57 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

You still own plenty of stock, they are just held by your pension plan
or other investment vehicles you have..



Which has nothing to do with my point that I haven't owned shares for
some time. Your efforts to spin everything into meaninglessness moral
nihilism used to be amusing.


That is like saying "I am not a murderer, I just hired a hit man"

You are living off the profits of the corporations along with the evil
bankster who manages your pension fund.,


Actually, I'm not. The bulk of my income comes from fees from clients
and profits from non-stock investments. I also get a small check from my
union pension plan and, recently, a monthly direct deposit from Social
Security.


What is it you call others who profit?

JustWaitAFrekinMinute May 15th 13 02:38 PM

New Pope Lambasts Greed
 
On 5/15/2013 9:29 AM, Hank© wrote:
On 5/14/2013 10:50 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 14 May 2013 21:31:20 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



There are differences between "profit" and "greed," but apparently these
escape w'hine. And to say profit is the driving force behind "all
innovation" is just plain bull****.


Examples of greedy *******s would be Edison, Firestone, Ford, Bill
Gates and your sweetie Steve Jobs (perhaps the worst of the bunch).


It's well known that Bill Gated has dedicated his life to giving his
money away.


Guilt?

iBoaterer[_3_] May 15th 13 02:39 PM

New Pope Lambasts Greed
 
In article ,
says...

On 5/14/13 8:04 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Tue, 14 May 2013 09:45:12 -0400,
wrote:

On Tue, 14 May 2013 07:43:41 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:


Greed is the driving force in the economy.

Management, labor and the consumer.
Nobody is innocent.


====

No one should be innocent.

The profit motive (call it greed if you must) is the driving force
behind all innovation, all customer service, all product excellence
and all efficient manufacturing. Without the potential for profit
(sometimes *large* profits) there are no incentives for the risks and
hard work of starting or running a business. Anything else is
socialism and we all know how that worked out in the former USSR.

Harry is bitter because success (profit) seems to have escaped him.



There are differences between "profit" and "greed," but apparently these
escape w'hine. And to say profit is the driving force behind "all
innovation" is just plain bull****.


What is that difference and where is the threshold between profit and
greed?

iBoaterer[_3_] May 15th 13 02:39 PM

New Pope Lambasts Greed
 
In article ,
says...

On Tue, 14 May 2013 21:31:20 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



There are differences between "profit" and "greed," but apparently these
escape w'hine. And to say profit is the driving force behind "all
innovation" is just plain bull****.


Examples of greedy *******s would be Edison, Firestone, Ford, Bill
Gates and your sweetie Steve Jobs (perhaps the worst of the bunch).


Yes, Ford even despised himself for what he had done in his later years.

iBoaterer[_3_] May 15th 13 02:41 PM

New Pope Lambasts Greed
 
In article ,
says...

On 5/14/13 10:50 PM,
wrote:
On Tue, 14 May 2013 21:31:20 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



There are differences between "profit" and "greed," but apparently these
escape w'hine. And to say profit is the driving force behind "all
innovation" is just plain bull****.


Examples of greedy *******s would be Edison, Firestone, Ford, Bill
Gates and your sweetie Steve Jobs (perhaps the worst of the bunch).


That's just silly. There have been plenty of innovators whose driving
force was intellectual curiosity and advancement of knowledge.


Ford's was a first, then it was pure greed. And I'm a HUGE Ford fan,
know a lot about him that most don't. He ended up in his later years
quite bitter with himself for what he had done, although he also done a
LOT of good.

iBoaterer[_3_] May 15th 13 03:13 PM

New Pope Lambasts Greed
 
In article ,
says...

On 5/15/2013 9:29 AM, Hank© wrote:
On 5/14/2013 10:50 PM,
wrote:
On Tue, 14 May 2013 21:31:20 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



There are differences between "profit" and "greed," but apparently these
escape w'hine. And to say profit is the driving force behind "all
innovation" is just plain bull****.


Examples of greedy *******s would be Edison, Firestone, Ford, Bill
Gates and your sweetie Steve Jobs (perhaps the worst of the bunch).


It's well known that Bill Gated has dedicated his life to giving his
money away.


Guilt?


About what?

iBoaterer[_3_] May 15th 13 03:15 PM

New Pope Lambasts Greed
 
In article ,
says...

On 5/15/2013 9:29 AM, Hank© wrote:
On 5/14/2013 10:50 PM,
wrote:
On Tue, 14 May 2013 21:31:20 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



There are differences between "profit" and "greed," but apparently these
escape w'hine. And to say profit is the driving force behind "all
innovation" is just plain bull****.


Examples of greedy *******s would be Edison, Firestone, Ford, Bill
Gates and your sweetie Steve Jobs (perhaps the worst of the bunch).


It's well known that Bill Gated has dedicated his life to giving his
money away.


Guilt?


YOU would think that someone should have guilt because they are
successful. Those of us who have been successful to a degree are aware
that it takes a lot of work, and therefore there's nothing to be guilty
about.

Wayne B May 16th 13 01:50 AM

New Pope Lambasts Greed
 
On Wed, 15 May 2013 12:23:58 -0400, wrote:

Most of his life was devoted to crushing any competition and
maintaining his monopoly.


====

And he was very good at that. Very very good. Greedy? Absolutely,
but that was the driving force that made WINDOWS the most popular
operating system of all time, and made PC technology and the internet
accessible by virtually everyone regardlesss of technical expertise.

No small accomplishment. It required brilliant vision, dedicated
leadership and focus, not to mention a huge amount of work.

Wayne B May 16th 13 01:56 AM

New Pope Lambasts Greed
 
On Wed, 15 May 2013 07:31:48 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

you are and you always shall be
an asshole.


===

Harry, no one will dispute your expertise in such matters. All other
fake, wannabe assholes pale in comparison to your greatness. As a
matter of fact, I was going to nominate you as Time magazine's asshole
of the year.

They sent me back a polite form letter stating that 3,429 people had
already beaten me to the punch.

Can that many people be wrong? Not likely.

Wayne B May 16th 13 02:01 AM

New Pope Lambasts Greed
 
On Wed, 15 May 2013 09:39:05 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

The profit motive (call it greed if you must) is the driving force
behind all innovation, all customer service, all product excellence
and all efficient manufacturing. Without the potential for profit
(sometimes *large* profits) there are no incentives for the risks and
hard work of starting or running a business. Anything else is
socialism and we all know how that worked out in the former USSR.

Harry is bitter because success (profit) seems to have escaped him.



There are differences between "profit" and "greed," but apparently these
escape w'hine. And to say profit is the driving force behind "all
innovation" is just plain bull****.


What is that difference and where is the threshold between profit and
greed?


===

It turns out that there is a very easy answer to that question.

Companies (and people) that Harry likes are profitable.

Companies (and people) that Harry dislikes are greedy.

Hank©[_2_] May 16th 13 10:32 AM

New Pope Lambasts Greed
 
On 5/16/2013 5:16 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 15 May 2013 20:50:10 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Wed, 15 May 2013 12:23:58 -0400,
wrote:

Most of his life was devoted to crushing any competition and
maintaining his monopoly.


====

And he was very good at that. Very very good. Greedy? Absolutely,
but that was the driving force that made WINDOWS the most popular
operating system of all time, and made PC technology and the internet
accessible by virtually everyone regardlesss of technical expertise.

No small accomplishment. It required brilliant vision, dedicated
leadership and focus, not to mention a huge amount of work.


Unfortunately it was like the phone company. Not much real innovation
came out of Redmond Washington. If there was a good idea from a
competitor that Gates liked, he simply bought that company. If he
didn't like it, he crushed the company. We ended up with the bloated
OS we have today that tries to be all things to all people and does
not really address anyone's actual needs. Like all monopolies, they
dominate because they are virtually the only game in town.


The Govt. is in the monopoly creating business now. They have whittled
the trucking industry engine builders down to one, Cummins. Good job EPA

JustWaitAFrekinMinute May 16th 13 12:29 PM

New Pope Lambasts Greed
 
On 5/16/2013 5:16 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 15 May 2013 20:50:10 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Wed, 15 May 2013 12:23:58 -0400,
wrote:

Most of his life was devoted to crushing any competition and
maintaining his monopoly.


====

And he was very good at that. Very very good. Greedy? Absolutely,
but that was the driving force that made WINDOWS the most popular
operating system of all time, and made PC technology and the internet
accessible by virtually everyone regardlesss of technical expertise.

No small accomplishment. It required brilliant vision, dedicated
leadership and focus, not to mention a huge amount of work.


Unfortunately it was like the phone company. Not much real innovation
came out of Redmond Washington. If there was a good idea from a
competitor that Gates liked, he simply bought that company. If he
didn't like it, he crushed the company. We ended up with the bloated
OS we have today that tries to be all things to all people and does
not really address anyone's actual needs. Like all monopolies, they
dominate because they are virtually the only game in town.


Between Windoze and Androis, who's "needs" are not being met?

Hank©[_2_] May 16th 13 12:39 PM

New Pope Lambasts Greed
 
On 5/16/2013 7:29 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 5/16/2013 5:16 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 15 May 2013 20:50:10 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Wed, 15 May 2013 12:23:58 -0400,
wrote:

Most of his life was devoted to crushing any competition and
maintaining his monopoly.

====

And he was very good at that. Very very good. Greedy? Absolutely,
but that was the driving force that made WINDOWS the most popular
operating system of all time, and made PC technology and the internet
accessible by virtually everyone regardlesss of technical expertise.

No small accomplishment. It required brilliant vision, dedicated
leadership and focus, not to mention a huge amount of work.


Unfortunately it was like the phone company. Not much real innovation
came out of Redmond Washington. If there was a good idea from a
competitor that Gates liked, he simply bought that company. If he
didn't like it, he crushed the company. We ended up with the bloated
OS we have today that tries to be all things to all people and does
not really address anyone's actual needs. Like all monopolies, they
dominate because they are virtually the only game in town.


Between Windoze and Androis, who's "needs" are not being met?


The typists and photoshoppers like apple for it's simplicity.

iBoaterer[_3_] May 16th 13 01:55 PM

New Pope Lambasts Greed
 
In article ,
says...

On Wed, 15 May 2013 09:39:05 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

The profit motive (call it greed if you must) is the driving force
behind all innovation, all customer service, all product excellence
and all efficient manufacturing. Without the potential for profit
(sometimes *large* profits) there are no incentives for the risks and
hard work of starting or running a business. Anything else is
socialism and we all know how that worked out in the former USSR.

Harry is bitter because success (profit) seems to have escaped him.



There are differences between "profit" and "greed," but apparently these
escape w'hine. And to say profit is the driving force behind "all
innovation" is just plain bull****.


What is that difference and where is the threshold between profit and
greed?


===

It turns out that there is a very easy answer to that question.

Companies (and people) that Harry likes are profitable.

Companies (and people) that Harry dislikes are greedy.


Got it, thanks for the clarification!

JustWaitAFrekinMinute May 16th 13 03:09 PM

New Pope Lambasts Greed
 
On 5/16/2013 10:00 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 16 May 2013 07:29:08 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

On 5/16/2013 5:16 AM,
wrote:
On Wed, 15 May 2013 20:50:10 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Wed, 15 May 2013 12:23:58 -0400,
wrote:

Most of his life was devoted to crushing any competition and
maintaining his monopoly.

====

And he was very good at that. Very very good. Greedy? Absolutely,
but that was the driving force that made WINDOWS the most popular
operating system of all time, and made PC technology and the internet
accessible by virtually everyone regardlesss of technical expertise.

No small accomplishment. It required brilliant vision, dedicated
leadership and focus, not to mention a huge amount of work.

Unfortunately it was like the phone company. Not much real innovation
came out of Redmond Washington. If there was a good idea from a
competitor that Gates liked, he simply bought that company. If he
didn't like it, he crushed the company. We ended up with the bloated
OS we have today that tries to be all things to all people and does
not really address anyone's actual needs. Like all monopolies, they
dominate because they are virtually the only game in town.


Between Windoze and Androis, who's "needs" are not being met?


I don't know much about android but PC users might want an OS that
will run a week or two without a reboot, either from a crash or an
update. They would also like one with a stable API so you don't need
to update your OS for the next big thing, usually requiring a new
machine.. Windoze is the last vestige of planned obsolescence


But still, inconvenient sure.. I mean, a watch chip can run a rocket
ship after all... But "who's needs are not being met"?

iBoaterer[_3_] May 16th 13 03:10 PM

New Pope Lambasts Greed
 
In article ,
says...

On Thu, 16 May 2013 07:29:08 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

On 5/16/2013 5:16 AM,
wrote:
On Wed, 15 May 2013 20:50:10 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Wed, 15 May 2013 12:23:58 -0400,
wrote:

Most of his life was devoted to crushing any competition and
maintaining his monopoly.

====

And he was very good at that. Very very good. Greedy? Absolutely,
but that was the driving force that made WINDOWS the most popular
operating system of all time, and made PC technology and the internet
accessible by virtually everyone regardlesss of technical expertise.

No small accomplishment. It required brilliant vision, dedicated
leadership and focus, not to mention a huge amount of work.

Unfortunately it was like the phone company. Not much real innovation
came out of Redmond Washington. If there was a good idea from a
competitor that Gates liked, he simply bought that company. If he
didn't like it, he crushed the company. We ended up with the bloated
OS we have today that tries to be all things to all people and does
not really address anyone's actual needs. Like all monopolies, they
dominate because they are virtually the only game in town.


Between Windoze and Androis, who's "needs" are not being met?


I don't know much about android but PC users might want an OS that
will run a week or two without a reboot, either from a crash or an
update. They would also like one with a stable API so you don't need
to update your OS for the next big thing, usually requiring a new
machine.. Windoze is the last vestige of planned obsolescence


Because of the complexity of the operating systems of today, I doubt
that's possible.

F.O.A.D. May 16th 13 03:21 PM

New Pope Lambasts Greed
 
On 5/16/13 10:09 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 5/16/2013 10:00 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 16 May 2013 07:29:08 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

On 5/16/2013 5:16 AM,
wrote:
On Wed, 15 May 2013 20:50:10 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Wed, 15 May 2013 12:23:58 -0400,
wrote:

Most of his life was devoted to crushing any competition and
maintaining his monopoly.

====

And he was very good at that. Very very good. Greedy? Absolutely,
but that was the driving force that made WINDOWS the most popular
operating system of all time, and made PC technology and the internet
accessible by virtually everyone regardlesss of technical expertise.

No small accomplishment. It required brilliant vision, dedicated
leadership and focus, not to mention a huge amount of work.

Unfortunately it was like the phone company. Not much real innovation
came out of Redmond Washington. If there was a good idea from a
competitor that Gates liked, he simply bought that company. If he
didn't like it, he crushed the company. We ended up with the bloated
OS we have today that tries to be all things to all people and does
not really address anyone's actual needs. Like all monopolies, they
dominate because they are virtually the only game in town.


Between Windoze and Androis, who's "needs" are not being met?


I don't know much about android but PC users might want an OS that
will run a week or two without a reboot, either from a crash or an
update. They would also like one with a stable API so you don't need
to update your OS for the next big thing, usually requiring a new
machine.. Windoze is the last vestige of planned obsolescence


But still, inconvenient sure.. I mean, a watch chip can run a rocket
ship after all... But "who's needs are not being met"?



Users who don't like glutware, or dealing with a non-English speaking
clerk who has been taught that all tech support consists of reading off
a script. The few times I have called Apple for tech support, I've
gotten competent people who speak English as well as I do and know how
to work their way through a support tree, and who are customer oriented.

Eisboch[_8_] May 16th 13 03:25 PM

New Pope Lambasts Greed
 


wrote in message ...


I don't know much about android but PC users might want an OS that
will run a week or two without a reboot, either from a crash or an
update. They would also like one with a stable API so you don't need
to update your OS for the next big thing, usually requiring a new
machine.. Windoze is the last vestige of planned obsolescence

-------------------------------------------

I've never understood the many anti-Windows sentiments. Maybe I just
don't use a computer for demanding tasks.

I currently have two laptops, one with the infamous "Vista" OS and
the other with Windows 7. Both have the same 4Gb of memory and both
have the same clock speed. Windows 7 is faster, for sure
(especially on a cold start) but both are stable and I've never
encountered any serious problems nor have I experienced a "crash" of
the OS. I normally just put them in "sleep" mode when not in use, so
they fire up and are ready to use in seconds. I also have an older,
smaller laptop that I used to use on the boat. It has Windows XP
Professional on it and works just fine.

I have the Windows updates set so I can determine when to download and
install them. Usually do that once a month or so. I also use
Windows Mail (Vista) and Windows Live Mail (Win7) both for email
and as a newsgroup reader. Both work fine, have filter capabilities
and several options in terms of how emails or newsgroup posts are
displayed. I tried Thunderbird and Agent a while back just for grins
but never noticed any advantage they had.

Yesterday I was using a friend's new HP laptop. I didn't realize it
had Windows 8 on it at first and was temporarily at a loss looking for
the "Start" button.
But it only took a few seconds to figure out what was going on and it
seemed to work just fine.





F.O.A.D. May 16th 13 03:48 PM

New Pope Lambasts Greed
 
On 5/16/13 10:25 AM, Eisboch wrote:


wrote in message ...


I don't know much about android but PC users might want an OS that
will run a week or two without a reboot, either from a crash or an
update. They would also like one with a stable API so you don't need
to update your OS for the next big thing, usually requiring a new
machine.. Windoze is the last vestige of planned obsolescence

-------------------------------------------

I've never understood the many anti-Windows sentiments. Maybe I just
don't use a computer for demanding tasks.

I currently have two laptops, one with the infamous "Vista" OS and the
other with Windows 7. Both have the same 4Gb of memory and both have
the same clock speed. Windows 7 is faster, for sure (especially on a
cold start) but both are stable and I've never encountered any serious
problems nor have I experienced a "crash" of the OS. I normally just
put them in "sleep" mode when not in use, so they fire up and are ready
to use in seconds. I also have an older, smaller laptop that I used to
use on the boat. It has Windows XP Professional on it and works just fine.

I have the Windows updates set so I can determine when to download and
install them. Usually do that once a month or so. I also use Windows
Mail (Vista) and Windows Live Mail (Win7) both for email and as a
newsgroup reader. Both work fine, have filter capabilities and several
options in terms of how emails or newsgroup posts are displayed. I
tried Thunderbird and Agent a while back just for grins but never
noticed any advantage they had.

Yesterday I was using a friend's new HP laptop. I didn't realize it had
Windows 8 on it at first and was temporarily at a loss looking for the
"Start" button.
But it only took a few seconds to figure out what was going on and it
seemed to work just fine.





I had only occasional problems with Vista. My wife runs Windows 7 on her
home desktop and I would know if she were having problems, because I'm
the "tech support" guy here, and I speak English.

iBoaterer[_3_] May 16th 13 04:05 PM

New Pope Lambasts Greed
 
In article ,
says...

wrote in message ...


I don't know much about android but PC users might want an OS that
will run a week or two without a reboot, either from a crash or an
update. They would also like one with a stable API so you don't need
to update your OS for the next big thing, usually requiring a new
machine.. Windoze is the last vestige of planned obsolescence

-------------------------------------------

I've never understood the many anti-Windows sentiments. Maybe I just
don't use a computer for demanding tasks.

I currently have two laptops, one with the infamous "Vista" OS and
the other with Windows 7. Both have the same 4Gb of memory and both
have the same clock speed. Windows 7 is faster, for sure
(especially on a cold start) but both are stable and I've never
encountered any serious problems nor have I experienced a "crash" of
the OS. I normally just put them in "sleep" mode when not in use, so
they fire up and are ready to use in seconds. I also have an older,
smaller laptop that I used to use on the boat. It has Windows XP
Professional on it and works just fine.

I have the Windows updates set so I can determine when to download and
install them. Usually do that once a month or so. I also use
Windows Mail (Vista) and Windows Live Mail (Win7) both for email
and as a newsgroup reader. Both work fine, have filter capabilities
and several options in terms of how emails or newsgroup posts are
displayed. I tried Thunderbird and Agent a while back just for grins
but never noticed any advantage they had.

Yesterday I was using a friend's new HP laptop. I didn't realize it
had Windows 8 on it at first and was temporarily at a loss looking for
the "Start" button.
But it only took a few seconds to figure out what was going on and it
seemed to work just fine.


I really like Windows 8.

JustWaitAFrekinMinute May 16th 13 04:36 PM

New Pope Lambasts Greed
 
On 5/16/2013 10:50 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 16 May 2013 10:10:53 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

In article ,
says...

I don't know much about android but PC users might want an OS that
will run a week or two without a reboot, either from a crash or an
update. They would also like one with a stable API so you don't need
to update your OS for the next big thing, usually requiring a new
machine.. Windoze is the last vestige of planned obsolescence


Because of the complexity of the operating systems of today, I doubt
that's possible.


The problem is that the OS is all encompassing with things that should
be optional, being coded right into the OS. It is unnecessary
complexity but part of the Microsoft monopoly thinking.
I need the same OS to take a few hundred bytes a minute from my
weather station and post it on the web as I would use to run a small
publishing company


But what is it that the system "doesn't" do for you? What part of the
system is keeping you from doing what you could do without it??

thumper May 16th 13 04:41 PM

New Pope Lambasts Greed
 
On 5/16/2013 7:00 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 16 May 2013 07:29:08 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:


Between Windoze and Androis, who's "needs" are not being met?


I don't know much about android but PC users might want an OS that
will run a week or two without a reboot, either from a crash or an
update. They would also like one with a stable API so you don't need
to update your OS for the next big thing, usually requiring a new
machine.. Windoze is the last vestige of planned obsolescence


Our IC design CAD tools from Cadence, Synopsys, Ansys, Mentor Graphics,
etc. all run on redhat Linux for those reasons.


F.O.A.D. May 16th 13 04:46 PM

New Pope Lambasts Greed
 
On 5/16/13 11:36 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 5/16/2013 10:50 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 16 May 2013 10:10:53 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

In article ,
says...

I don't know much about android but PC users might want an OS that
will run a week or two without a reboot, either from a crash or an
update. They would also like one with a stable API so you don't need
to update your OS for the next big thing, usually requiring a new
machine.. Windoze is the last vestige of planned obsolescence

Because of the complexity of the operating systems of today, I doubt
that's possible.


The problem is that the OS is all encompassing with things that should
be optional, being coded right into the OS. It is unnecessary
complexity but part of the Microsoft monopoly thinking.
I need the same OS to take a few hundred bytes a minute from my
weather station and post it on the web as I would use to run a small
publishing company


But what is it that the system "doesn't" do for you? What part of the
system is keeping you from doing what you could do without it??



OSX has never locked up on me in the middle of a long word processing
document between auto saves. Windows did.

JustWaitAFrekinMinute May 16th 13 04:47 PM

New Pope Lambasts Greed
 
On 5/16/2013 11:41 AM, thumper wrote:
On 5/16/2013 7:00 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 16 May 2013 07:29:08 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:


Between Windoze and Androis, who's "needs" are not being met?


I don't know much about android but PC users might want an OS that
will run a week or two without a reboot, either from a crash or an
update. They would also like one with a stable API so you don't need
to update your OS for the next big thing, usually requiring a new
machine.. Windoze is the last vestige of planned obsolescence


Our IC design CAD tools from Cadence, Synopsys, Ansys, Mentor Graphics,
etc. all run on redhat Linux for those reasons.


I run Cadkey, Dreamweaver, Photoshop, Macromedia Flash, Corel Draw and
several other pretty intense programs... all on a Windoze Laptop for
three years now.

I5 chip, running at 2.27
64 bit
only 4 gig ram...

Does fine, can't remember the last time I crashed it...

Hank©[_2_] May 16th 13 05:30 PM

New Pope Lambasts Greed
 
On 5/16/2013 11:46 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 5/16/13 11:36 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 5/16/2013 10:50 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 16 May 2013 10:10:53 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

In article ,
says...

I don't know much about android but PC users might want an OS that
will run a week or two without a reboot, either from a crash or an
update. They would also like one with a stable API so you don't need
to update your OS for the next big thing, usually requiring a new
machine.. Windoze is the last vestige of planned obsolescence

Because of the complexity of the operating systems of today, I doubt
that's possible.

The problem is that the OS is all encompassing with things that should
be optional, being coded right into the OS. It is unnecessary
complexity but part of the Microsoft monopoly thinking.
I need the same OS to take a few hundred bytes a minute from my
weather station and post it on the web as I would use to run a small
publishing company


But what is it that the system "doesn't" do for you? What part of the
system is keeping you from doing what you could do without it??



OSX has never locked up on me in the middle of a long word processing
document between auto saves. Windows did.


Fool. If you anticipate it locking up, you should autosave more often


JustWaitAFrekinMinute May 16th 13 05:47 PM

New Pope Lambasts Greed
 
On 5/16/2013 12:18 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 16 May 2013 11:36:29 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

On 5/16/2013 10:50 AM,
wrote:
On Thu, 16 May 2013 10:10:53 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

In article ,
says...

I don't know much about android but PC users might want an OS that
will run a week or two without a reboot, either from a crash or an
update. They would also like one with a stable API so you don't need
to update your OS for the next big thing, usually requiring a new
machine.. Windoze is the last vestige of planned obsolescence

Because of the complexity of the operating systems of today, I doubt
that's possible.

The problem is that the OS is all encompassing with things that should
be optional, being coded right into the OS. It is unnecessary
complexity but part of the Microsoft monopoly thinking.
I need the same OS to take a few hundred bytes a minute from my
weather station and post it on the web as I would use to run a small
publishing company


But what is it that the system "doesn't" do for you? What part of the
system is keeping you from doing what you could do without it??


It is the amount of bloatware I need to drag around for such a mundane
task and I was actually buying new, the cost.
It is like being forced to buy a class A motor home, just to drive a
few miles to work.
Linux would be a good alternative but the number of hardware
manufacturers who support it are limited because MS has such a
monopoly share of the market.


So, if you strip the "bloatware" from the system, what would be the
benefit? Systems would be more proprietary like in the 80's and a base
system would cost 2 grand... It would not be a smaller system, still you
need a decent screen to work anyway, I just don't see what you are
suffering carrying around a few million extra bits of info on a chip as
small as your fingernail (nothing at all like having to carry around a
"class A motor home")...It is a system designed to handle as much of
what the average person throws at it as possible. If you need more than
that to run your company, it's time to hire some programmers and build
that system.

We had a company a few years back that needed such a propritary system
for their business, they paid us thousands to build it. For 99% of the
world population, Windoze will do anything they need it to do.

F.O.A.D. May 16th 13 05:50 PM

New Pope Lambasts Greed
 
On 5/16/13 12:47 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:


We had a company a few years back that needed such a propritary system
for their business, they paid us thousands to build it.


Bull****. Morons don't have the ability to program operating systems.


F.O.A.D. May 16th 13 05:51 PM

New Pope Lambasts Greed
 
On 5/16/13 11:47 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 5/16/2013 11:41 AM, thumper wrote:
On 5/16/2013 7:00 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 16 May 2013 07:29:08 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:


Between Windoze and Androis, who's "needs" are not being met?

I don't know much about android but PC users might want an OS that
will run a week or two without a reboot, either from a crash or an
update. They would also like one with a stable API so you don't need
to update your OS for the next big thing, usually requiring a new
machine.. Windoze is the last vestige of planned obsolescence


Our IC design CAD tools from Cadence, Synopsys, Ansys, Mentor Graphics,
etc. all run on redhat Linux for those reasons.


I run Cadkey, Dreamweaver, Photoshop, Macromedia Flash, Corel Draw and
several other pretty intense programs... all on a Windoze Laptop for
three years now.

I5 chip, running at 2.27
64 bit
only 4 gig ram...

Does fine, can't remember the last time I crashed it...



From what I have seen of your work, you'd do better with an eight color
box of Crayolas.

True North[_2_] May 16th 13 07:21 PM

New Pope Lambasts Greed
 
SNERK

BAR[_2_] May 18th 13 09:25 PM

New Pope Lambasts Greed
 
In article ,
says...

On Mon, 13 May 2013 16:29:33 -0400, Hank©
wrote:

On 5/13/2013 2:53 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:


After hundreds of workers were killed in Bangladesh when the factory
they worked at making clothes collapsed, Pope Francis took a moment
during his May Day homily to pray for the victims and their families as
well as condemn the labor practices that took their lives.

?How many brothers and sisters find themselves in this situation!?
said the pontiff referring to the unfair and unsafe working conditions
around the world. ?Not paying fairly, not giving a job because you are
only looking at balance sheets, only looking at how to make a profit.
That goes against God!?

He couldn?t believe that the workers inside the factory were only making
roughly 38 Euros ($50) per month calling the deplorable conditions and
pay ?slave labor.? Workers who subsequently died.

?I call on politicians to make every effort to relaunch the labor
market,? said Pope Francis who went on to say that unemployment is, ?an
economic conception of society based on selfish profit outside the
bounds of social justice.? He also said, ?We do not get dignity from
power or money or culture, no! We get dignity from work.?

The Vatican has spoken against economic inequality throughout the
economic collapse of recent years, and has been often very critical of
unregulated capitalism and the harm it inflicts.

http://tinyurl.com/d4vq8uf

Where's the garment workers union when you need it?


====

Running a factory without making a profit apparently goes against god
also because he will close it down in no time at all. Interesting
that Harry should take such a sudden interest in the teachings of the
pope.


If there is no profit how is the church going to get its cut?

iBoaterer[_3_] May 18th 13 10:32 PM

New Pope Lambasts Greed
 
In article ,
says...

In article ,

says...

On Mon, 13 May 2013 16:29:33 -0400, Hank©
wrote:

On 5/13/2013 2:53 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:


After hundreds of workers were killed in Bangladesh when the factory
they worked at making clothes collapsed, Pope Francis took a moment
during his May Day homily to pray for the victims and their families as
well as condemn the labor practices that took their lives.

?How many brothers and sisters find themselves in this situation!?
said the pontiff referring to the unfair and unsafe working conditions
around the world. ?Not paying fairly, not giving a job because you are
only looking at balance sheets, only looking at how to make a profit.
That goes against God!?

He couldn?t believe that the workers inside the factory were only making
roughly 38 Euros ($50) per month calling the deplorable conditions and
pay ?slave labor.? Workers who subsequently died.

?I call on politicians to make every effort to relaunch the labor
market,? said Pope Francis who went on to say that unemployment is, ?an
economic conception of society based on selfish profit outside the
bounds of social justice.? He also said, ?We do not get dignity from
power or money or culture, no! We get dignity from work.?

The Vatican has spoken against economic inequality throughout the
economic collapse of recent years, and has been often very critical of
unregulated capitalism and the harm it inflicts.

http://tinyurl.com/d4vq8uf

Where's the garment workers union when you need it?


====

Running a factory without making a profit apparently goes against god
also because he will close it down in no time at all. Interesting
that Harry should take such a sudden interest in the teachings of the
pope.


If there is no profit how is the church going to get its cut?


You're not kidding there, the church sure wants there share of grift.

BAR[_2_] May 19th 13 02:00 PM

New Pope Lambasts Greed
 
In article ,
says...

On Wed, 15 May 2013 12:23:58 -0400,
wrote:

Most of his life was devoted to crushing any competition and
maintaining his monopoly.


====

And he was very good at that. Very very good. Greedy? Absolutely,
but that was the driving force that made WINDOWS the most popular
operating system of all time, and made PC technology and the internet
accessible by virtually everyone regardlesss of technical expertise.

No small accomplishment. It required brilliant vision, dedicated
leadership and focus, not to mention a huge amount of work.


Microsoft had to be pulled kicking and screaming to network their computers.

Does anyone remember Novell.


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