On 4/24/2013 8:56 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 08:20:47 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

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To understand what the fuss is about I think you have to put yourself
in the minority view for a minute. For example, what if you lived in
a town that had an Islamic majority, and everywhere you went there
were Islamic religious symbols on display. After a while you would
probably come around to the view that Islam was the "official"
religion and that everything else,

Well, not if you were in America and ever went to school..

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I think you're forgetting that the purpose of this exercise is to put
yourself in someone else's shoes for a moment. One of the big issues
is that the parents in "other" religions resent having their children
surrounded by christian religious symbols. I think that's
understandable.


And I think it's bull****... We had Christian and Jewish symbols all of
my life in school... Even Kwanza after they invented it. And no kid is
"offended" by a shiny tree or the Menorah, honest adults aren't
either... unless they are already bigoted and predetermined to hate...

In article ,
says...

On 4/23/2013 7:25 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 17:44:56 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/23/13 5:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 12:51:53 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:


If you can extend "Congress" (meaning the US congress) shall make no
federal law" to mean a city council can't allow a display on city
property, I can't understand why "shall not be infringed" is not an
absolute prohibition of any firearm law by any government entity.


Infringe means destroy, shatter, crush. The current set of firearm
regulations do not destroy, shatter or crush the ability to own firearms.


in·fringe (n-frnj)
v. in·fringed, in·fring·ing, in·fring·es
v.tr.
1. To transgress or exceed the limits of; violate: infringe a
contract; infringe a patent.
2. Obsolete To defeat; invalidate.
v.intr.
To encroach on someone or something; engage in trespassing: an
increased workload that infringed on his personal life.


In this context, the obsolete definition is most likely what the
framers were talking about.



Demonstrations are not the same as displays.

Why not?

Because the people have a Bill of Rights right to peaceably assemble.
There is no Bill of Rights right to set up a religious display on public
property; in fact, the state is not allowed to help promote religion,
and a creche promotes religion.

Isn't stopping it "prohibiting the free exercise of"?

The government is no more establishing religion with this display than
they are establishing nazism when they let the marchers walk in Skokie

Every year, for example, we
get thousands of religious simpies up here protesting Roe v. Wade, and
they camp out on the steps of the Supreme Court and march down the
public's streets and sidewalks. So long as they have a permit, such
behavior is allowed.

Isn't the government that grants that permit "establishing" that
religious belief?


No, they are granting a parade permit.

So why not a nativity display permit?

Demonstrating against corporate excess is not the same as promoting the
religious crib scenes of a Jewish baby.

Why not? Both represent deeply held personal beliefs.


Because the religious crib scenes on public property promote religion,
and such is not allowed.

Says you.

And the Constitution.


No it doesn't... only to you haters..

Yes it does, moron.

On 4/24/13 8:56 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 08:20:47 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

====

To understand what the fuss is about I think you have to put yourself
in the minority view for a minute. For example, what if you lived in
a town that had an Islamic majority, and everywhere you went there
were Islamic religious symbols on display. After a while you would
probably come around to the view that Islam was the "official"
religion and that everything else,

Well, not if you were in America and ever went to school..

====

I think you're forgetting that the purpose of this exercise is to put
yourself in someone else's shoes for a moment. One of the big issues
is that the parents in "other" religions resent having their children
surrounded by christian religious symbols. I think that's
understandable.



During grammar and junior high when I was growing up in New Haven, we
had "holiday assemblies" at public school. They were "ecumenical." There
were no such assemblies at my public high school. I don't recall if
there were any holiday decorations on the public's "green" in the center
of downtown or anywhere else. The majority populations at that time were
Roman Catholic and Jewish, and there were plenty of "ecumenical" social
events. During grammar and junior high, the local Catholic church, which
was a few blocks from where we lived, had lots of afterschool activities
under the watchful eye of nuns, and every kid, no matter his/her
background, was welcomed.

On 4/24/13 9:02 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 4/24/2013 8:57 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 4/24/13 8:51 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 4/24/2013 8:45 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 4/24/2013 8:23 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 4/24/13 8:20 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 4/23/2013 10:02 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 17:29:06 -0400, wrote:

As far as I am concerned, holiday displays celebrate the
diversity in
our community and we should accept them all.
That might mean the christians have to tolerate a wiccan
display on
halloween tho. Fair is fair.

====

To understand what the fuss is about I think you have to put
yourself
in the minority view for a minute. For example, what if you
lived in
a town that had an Islamic majority, and everywhere you went there
were Islamic religious symbols on display. After a while you
would
probably come around to the view that Islam was the "official"
religion and that everything else,

Well, not if you were in America and ever went to school..

including your own beliefs, was
merely tolerated if at all. Much of this debate started in the
NYC
suburbs that have a very significant Jewish population. They
rightfully took offense at being surrounded by Christian religious
symbols, especially those on government property.


They really didn't "take offense" to the baby Jesus, it's only
fringe
groups and liars that say they are "offended" by a couple of crossed
pieces of wood...

Ahh, now the uneducated, ignorant PsychoSnotty speaks for Jews.

Ah, the hateful bigoted Hitler wanna' be speaks for the
progressives...

I am a progressive. You are not a Jew.


Are you sure about that? What a bigot. Lucky you are a progressive, the
willfully ignorant here will back you up...

I am sure I am a progressive. I am sure you are not a Jew.

Idiot...


Really? Virtually all the Jews I know live their lives in ways that
ensures their children succeed in school and are highly educated. If you
were Jewish, you would be the odd Jew out.

On 4/24/13 9:05 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 4/24/2013 8:56 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 08:20:47 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

====

To understand what the fuss is about I think you have to put yourself
in the minority view for a minute. For example, what if you lived in
a town that had an Islamic majority, and everywhere you went there
were Islamic religious symbols on display. After a while you would
probably come around to the view that Islam was the "official"
religion and that everything else,

Well, not if you were in America and ever went to school..

====

I think you're forgetting that the purpose of this exercise is to put
yourself in someone else's shoes for a moment. One of the big issues
is that the parents in "other" religions resent having their children
surrounded by christian religious symbols. I think that's
understandable.


And I think it's bull****... We had Christian and Jewish symbols all of
my life in school... Even Kwanza after they invented it. And no kid is
"offended" by a shiny tree or the Menorah, honest adults aren't
either... unless they are already bigoted and predetermined to hate...


I think holiday religious symbols can be very attractive when they are
on religious or private property.

On 4/24/13 8:35 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 4/24/2013 8:24 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 4/24/13 8:18 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 4/23/2013 9:56 PM, Hank© wrote:
On 4/23/2013 9:22 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:

You're projecting again. You've had a life of no serious education and
no serious jobs, and therefore you cannot fathom someone who can
write a
series of effective letters that push a change in the location of a
polling place. Your way would be to make a homemade claymore mine.

You are way too full of yourself, asshat.

Why is it harry that's always talking about bombs and shooting folks?
Why Harry Krause are you so intent on killing somebody?


The subject was you and your way, you ignorant ass.

You can make any subject up you want, but you do sit here almost every
day and suggest someone shoot themselves harry krause, or blow somebody
up etc... You seem intent on inciting violence, just like the cops that
came to my house that time were made well aware of...

Bull****.

On 4/24/2013 9:13 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 4/24/13 9:02 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 4/24/2013 8:57 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 4/24/13 8:51 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 4/24/2013 8:45 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 4/24/2013 8:23 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 4/24/13 8:20 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 4/23/2013 10:02 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 17:29:06 -0400, wrote:

As far as I am concerned, holiday displays celebrate the
diversity in
our community and we should accept them all.
That might mean the christians have to tolerate a wiccan
display on
halloween tho. Fair is fair.

====

To understand what the fuss is about I think you have to put
yourself
in the minority view for a minute. For example, what if you
lived in
a town that had an Islamic majority, and everywhere you went there
were Islamic religious symbols on display. After a while you
would
probably come around to the view that Islam was the "official"
religion and that everything else,

Well, not if you were in America and ever went to school..

including your own beliefs, was
merely tolerated if at all. Much of this debate started in the
NYC
suburbs that have a very significant Jewish population. They
rightfully took offense at being surrounded by Christian religious
symbols, especially those on government property.


They really didn't "take offense" to the baby Jesus, it's only
fringe
groups and liars that say they are "offended" by a couple of
crossed
pieces of wood...

Ahh, now the uneducated, ignorant PsychoSnotty speaks for Jews.

Ah, the hateful bigoted Hitler wanna' be speaks for the
progressives...

I am a progressive. You are not a Jew.


Are you sure about that? What a bigot. Lucky you are a progressive, the
willfully ignorant here will back you up...

I am sure I am a progressive. I am sure you are not a Jew.

Idiot...


Really? Virtually all the Jews I know live their lives in ways that
ensures their children succeed in school and are highly educated. If you
were Jewish, you would be the odd Jew out.


What a bigoted asshole... But it's ok, the willfully ignorant here will
still support you...

On 4/24/2013 9:11 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 4/24/13 8:56 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 08:20:47 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

====

To understand what the fuss is about I think you have to put yourself
in the minority view for a minute. For example, what if you lived in
a town that had an Islamic majority, and everywhere you went there
were Islamic religious symbols on display. After a while you would
probably come around to the view that Islam was the "official"
religion and that everything else,

Well, not if you were in America and ever went to school..

====

I think you're forgetting that the purpose of this exercise is to put
yourself in someone else's shoes for a moment. One of the big issues
is that the parents in "other" religions resent having their children
surrounded by christian religious symbols. I think that's
understandable.



During grammar and junior high


Cool story bro!

On 4/24/13 9:31 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 4/24/2013 9:13 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 4/24/13 9:02 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 4/24/2013 8:57 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 4/24/13 8:51 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 4/24/2013 8:45 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 4/24/2013 8:23 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 4/24/13 8:20 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 4/23/2013 10:02 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 17:29:06 -0400, wrote:

As far as I am concerned, holiday displays celebrate the
diversity in
our community and we should accept them all.
That might mean the christians have to tolerate a wiccan
display on
halloween tho. Fair is fair.

====

To understand what the fuss is about I think you have to put
yourself
in the minority view for a minute. For example, what if you
lived in
a town that had an Islamic majority, and everywhere you went
there
were Islamic religious symbols on display. After a while you
would
probably come around to the view that Islam was the "official"
religion and that everything else,

Well, not if you were in America and ever went to school..

including your own beliefs, was
merely tolerated if at all. Much of this debate started in the
NYC
suburbs that have a very significant Jewish population. They
rightfully took offense at being surrounded by Christian
religious
symbols, especially those on government property.


They really didn't "take offense" to the baby Jesus, it's only
fringe
groups and liars that say they are "offended" by a couple of
crossed
pieces of wood...

Ahh, now the uneducated, ignorant PsychoSnotty speaks for Jews.

Ah, the hateful bigoted Hitler wanna' be speaks for the
progressives...

I am a progressive. You are not a Jew.


Are you sure about that? What a bigot. Lucky you are a progressive,
the
willfully ignorant here will back you up...

I am sure I am a progressive. I am sure you are not a Jew.

Idiot...


Really? Virtually all the Jews I know live their lives in ways that
ensures their children succeed in school and are highly educated. If you
were Jewish, you would be the odd Jew out.


What a bigoted asshole... But it's ok, the willfully ignorant here will
still support you...


It's bigoted to point out that most Jews in America highly value
education for their children? Gosh, what an awful cultural attribute, eh?

In article ,
says...

On 4/24/2013 8:45 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 4/24/2013 8:23 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 4/24/13 8:20 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 4/23/2013 10:02 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 17:29:06 -0400, wrote:

As far as I am concerned, holiday displays celebrate the diversity in
our community and we should accept them all.
That might mean the christians have to tolerate a wiccan display on
halloween tho. Fair is fair.

====

To understand what the fuss is about I think you have to put yourself
in the minority view for a minute. For example, what if you lived in
a town that had an Islamic majority, and everywhere you went there
were Islamic religious symbols on display. After a while you would
probably come around to the view that Islam was the "official"
religion and that everything else,

Well, not if you were in America and ever went to school..

including your own beliefs, was
merely tolerated if at all. Much of this debate started in the NYC
suburbs that have a very significant Jewish population. They
rightfully took offense at being surrounded by Christian religious
symbols, especially those on government property.


They really didn't "take offense" to the baby Jesus, it's only fringe
groups and liars that say they are "offended" by a couple of crossed
pieces of wood...

Ahh, now the uneducated, ignorant PsychoSnotty speaks for Jews.

Ah, the hateful bigoted Hitler wanna' be speaks for the progressives...

I am a progressive. You are not a Jew.


Are you sure about that? What a bigot. Lucky you are a progressive, the
willfully ignorant here will back you up...

Being progressive is ignorant?? Really? How so?