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On 4/21/13 3:41 PM, Tim wrote:
On Apr 21, 11:46 am, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 4/21/13 12:35 PM, Tim wrote:

On Apr 21, 7:59 am, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Radical muslim extremists, radical christian extremists, what's the
difference?

There's a huge difference, Harry.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...-suspect-praye...



There's a difference between the allegedly radical Muslim extremists
who
set off the bombs in Boston and the radical christian extremists who
blow up abortion clinics and shoot abortion doctors?

You look at extremism in a different way than I. There's wacko's and
perverts out there, no doubt. But to me, that's not 'christian
extremism.'

If they say they are christians and are acting in hateful, extreme ways,
they sure as hell are no different than radical muslim extremists who
act the same way. Same, same.

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There are radical Christian extremists who break laws.
Radical Muslim extremists are abiding by their laws.

That's the difference.




When you've been blown up or shot to death by a muslim or christian
radical religious extremist, you're just as dead.

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Agreed, but the Christian extremist will most likely end up in prison
for life or face the executioner.

The Muslim extremist will be hailed as a hero, dead or alive in the
eyes of many.

My point is that Christianity is not the law of the land anywhere that I
can think of but Islamic fundamentalism *is* in many areas of the world.
I am referring to those led by religious zealots who incorrectly
interpret a "Jihad" as being a choice of conversion to Islam or death.
The difference is that unlike Christian extremist nut cases who act in
violation of the laws of the land, the militant Muslim extremists are
following the laws of their land, which happen to be governed and
controlled by their religious leaders.


Uh, there have been plenty of nations where one version of christianity
or another has been the law of the land, and where all manner of
atrocities have been committed in the name of "the faith." Europe was
rife with this sort of thinking, and it was established by christians in
central and south america. It's even reared its ugly head in this
country, e.g., pre-Civil War Southern Baptists were advocates of slavery
and that advocacy was based upon their interpretation of christianity.

Religion rears its ugly head in many ways. About a third of Americans,
according to recent legitimate surveys, would like the United States to
adopt christianity as its official religion.

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I spoke in the present tense.
You are talking about history.

Right...the christian Serbs didn't rape, pillage and slaughter Muslims a
couple of decades ago.

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On 4/21/13 3:41 PM, Tim wrote:
On Apr 21, 11:46 am, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 4/21/13 12:35 PM, Tim wrote:

On Apr 21, 7:59 am, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Radical muslim extremists, radical christian extremists,
what's the
difference?

There's a huge difference, Harry.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...-suspect-praye...



There's a difference between the allegedly radical Muslim
extremists
who
set off the bombs in Boston and the radical christian extremists
who
blow up abortion clinics and shoot abortion doctors?

You look at extremism in a different way than I. There's wacko's
and
perverts out there, no doubt. But to me, that's not 'christian
extremism.'

If they say they are christians and are acting in hateful, extreme
ways,
they sure as hell are no different than radical muslim extremists
who
act the same way. Same, same.

-----------------------------------------

There are radical Christian extremists who break laws.
Radical Muslim extremists are abiding by their laws.

That's the difference.




When you've been blown up or shot to death by a muslim or christian
radical religious extremist, you're just as dead.

---------------------------------------------

Agreed, but the Christian extremist will most likely end up in
prison
for life or face the executioner.

The Muslim extremist will be hailed as a hero, dead or alive in
the
eyes of many.

My point is that Christianity is not the law of the land anywhere
that I
can think of but Islamic fundamentalism *is* in many areas of the
world.
I am referring to those led by religious zealots who incorrectly
interpret a "Jihad" as being a choice of conversion to Islam or
death.
The difference is that unlike Christian extremist nut cases who act
in
violation of the laws of the land, the militant Muslim extremists
are
following the laws of their land, which happen to be governed and
controlled by their religious leaders.


Uh, there have been plenty of nations where one version of
christianity
or another has been the law of the land, and where all manner of
atrocities have been committed in the name of "the faith." Europe
was
rife with this sort of thinking, and it was established by
christians in
central and south america. It's even reared its ugly head in this
country, e.g., pre-Civil War Southern Baptists were advocates of
slavery
and that advocacy was based upon their interpretation of
christianity.

Religion rears its ugly head in many ways. About a third of
Americans,
according to recent legitimate surveys, would like the United States
to
adopt christianity as its official religion.

-------------------------------------------

I spoke in the present tense.
You are talking about history.

Right...the christian Serbs didn't rape, pillage and slaughter Muslims
a
couple of decades ago.

-----------------------------------------

Muslims have been trying to exterminate Christian Serbs since the
thirteenth century. It's a political war.
Clinton didn't help matters much either when he was establishing
policy.

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On 4/21/13 3:41 PM, Tim wrote:
On Apr 21, 11:46 am, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 4/21/13 12:35 PM, Tim wrote:

On Apr 21, 7:59 am, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Radical muslim extremists, radical christian extremists, what's
the
difference?

There's a huge difference, Harry.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...-suspect-praye...




There's a difference between the allegedly radical Muslim
extremists
who
set off the bombs in Boston and the radical christian extremists
who
blow up abortion clinics and shoot abortion doctors?

You look at extremism in a different way than I. There's wacko's
and
perverts out there, no doubt. But to me, that's not 'christian
extremism.'

If they say they are christians and are acting in hateful, extreme
ways,
they sure as hell are no different than radical muslim extremists
who
act the same way. Same, same.

-----------------------------------------

There are radical Christian extremists who break laws.
Radical Muslim extremists are abiding by their laws.

That's the difference.




When you've been blown up or shot to death by a muslim or christian
radical religious extremist, you're just as dead.

---------------------------------------------

Agreed, but the Christian extremist will most likely end up in prison
for life or face the executioner.

The Muslim extremist will be hailed as a hero, dead or alive in the
eyes of many.

My point is that Christianity is not the law of the land anywhere
that I
can think of but Islamic fundamentalism *is* in many areas of the
world.
I am referring to those led by religious zealots who incorrectly
interpret a "Jihad" as being a choice of conversion to Islam or death.
The difference is that unlike Christian extremist nut cases who act
in
violation of the laws of the land, the militant Muslim extremists
are
following the laws of their land, which happen to be governed and
controlled by their religious leaders.


Uh, there have been plenty of nations where one version of christianity
or another has been the law of the land, and where all manner of
atrocities have been committed in the name of "the faith." Europe was
rife with this sort of thinking, and it was established by christians in
central and south america. It's even reared its ugly head in this
country, e.g., pre-Civil War Southern Baptists were advocates of slavery
and that advocacy was based upon their interpretation of christianity.

Religion rears its ugly head in many ways. About a third of Americans,
according to recent legitimate surveys, would like the United States to
adopt christianity as its official religion.

-------------------------------------------

I spoke in the present tense.
You are talking about history.

Right...the christian Serbs didn't rape, pillage and slaughter Muslims a
couple of decades ago.

-----------------------------------------

Muslims have been trying to exterminate Christian Serbs since the
thirteenth century. It's a political war.
Clinton didn't help matters much either when he was establishing policy.

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On 4/21/13 3:41 PM, Tim wrote:
On Apr 21, 11:46 am, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 4/21/13 12:35 PM, Tim wrote:

On Apr 21, 7:59 am, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Radical muslim extremists, radical christian extremists, what's
the
difference?

There's a huge difference, Harry.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...-suspect-praye...




There's a difference between the allegedly radical Muslim
extremists
who
set off the bombs in Boston and the radical christian extremists
who
blow up abortion clinics and shoot abortion doctors?

You look at extremism in a different way than I. There's wacko's
and
perverts out there, no doubt. But to me, that's not 'christian
extremism.'

If they say they are christians and are acting in hateful, extreme
ways,
they sure as hell are no different than radical muslim extremists
who
act the same way. Same, same.

-----------------------------------------

There are radical Christian extremists who break laws.
Radical Muslim extremists are abiding by their laws.

That's the difference.




When you've been blown up or shot to death by a muslim or christian
radical religious extremist, you're just as dead.

---------------------------------------------

Agreed, but the Christian extremist will most likely end up in prison
for life or face the executioner.

The Muslim extremist will be hailed as a hero, dead or alive in the
eyes of many.

My point is that Christianity is not the law of the land anywhere
that I
can think of but Islamic fundamentalism *is* in many areas of the
world.
I am referring to those led by religious zealots who incorrectly
interpret a "Jihad" as being a choice of conversion to Islam or death.
The difference is that unlike Christian extremist nut cases who act
in
violation of the laws of the land, the militant Muslim extremists
are
following the laws of their land, which happen to be governed and
controlled by their religious leaders.


Uh, there have been plenty of nations where one version of christianity
or another has been the law of the land, and where all manner of
atrocities have been committed in the name of "the faith." Europe was
rife with this sort of thinking, and it was established by christians in
central and south america. It's even reared its ugly head in this
country, e.g., pre-Civil War Southern Baptists were advocates of slavery
and that advocacy was based upon their interpretation of christianity.

Religion rears its ugly head in many ways. About a third of Americans,
according to recent legitimate surveys, would like the United States to
adopt christianity as its official religion.

-------------------------------------------

I spoke in the present tense.
You are talking about history.

Right...the christian Serbs didn't rape, pillage and slaughter Muslims a
couple of decades ago.

-----------------------------------------

Muslims have been trying to exterminate Christian Serbs since the
thirteenth century. It's a political war.
Clinton didn't help matters much either when he was establishing policy.

Christians have been murdering Muslims for just as long. Christians have
also spent centuries killing each other, and also Jews and Hindus. The
big time religions are into big time blood letting. I'm not sure belief
in a supreme being is as much the cause as is organized religion. I
wonder if we'd be better off believing in a creator if we had to, but
not having organized religions.

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On Apr 21, 6:17*pm, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
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On 4/21/13 3:41 PM, Tim wrote:
On Apr 21, 11:46 am, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 4/21/13 12:35 PM, Tim wrote:

On Apr 21, 7:59 am, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Radical muslim extremists, radical christian extremists, what's the
difference?

There's a huge difference, Harry.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...-suspect-praye....

There's a difference between the allegedly radical Muslim extremists who
set off the bombs in Boston and the radical christian extremists who
blow up abortion clinics and shoot abortion doctors?

You look at extremism in a different way than I. There's wacko's and
perverts out there, no doubt. But to me, that's not 'christian
extremism.'

If they say they are christians and are acting in hateful, extreme ways,
they sure as hell are no different than radical muslim extremists who
act the same way. Same, same.

-----------------------------------------

There are radical Christian extremists who break laws.
Radical Muslim extremists are abiding by their laws.

That's the difference.

When you've been blown up or shot to death by a muslim or christian
radical religious extremist, you're just as dead.

When you've been blown up or shot to death by anybody you're just as
dead, too.

Harry it seems that your view is that anyone who blows up or shoots
someone to death simply has to be some 'radical religious extremist'

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On Apr 21, 6:52*pm, "F.O.A.D." wrote:


Uh, there have been plenty of nations where one version of Christianity
or another has been the law of the land...

Has been??? What about the 'is now?'

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On 4/21/13 10:14 PM, Tim wrote:
On Apr 21, 6:17 pm, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 4/21/13 7:07 PM, Eisboch wrote:











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On 4/21/13 3:41 PM, Tim wrote:
On Apr 21, 11:46 am, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 4/21/13 12:35 PM, Tim wrote:

On Apr 21, 7:59 am, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Radical muslim extremists, radical christian extremists, what's the
difference?

There's a huge difference, Harry.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...-suspect-praye...

There's a difference between the allegedly radical Muslim extremists who
set off the bombs in Boston and the radical christian extremists who
blow up abortion clinics and shoot abortion doctors?

You look at extremism in a different way than I. There's wacko's and
perverts out there, no doubt. But to me, that's not 'christian
extremism.'

If they say they are christians and are acting in hateful, extreme ways,
they sure as hell are no different than radical muslim extremists who
act the same way. Same, same.

-----------------------------------------

There are radical Christian extremists who break laws.
Radical Muslim extremists are abiding by their laws.

That's the difference.

When you've been blown up or shot to death by a muslim or christian
radical religious extremist, you're just as dead.

When you've been blown up or shot to death by anybody you're just as
dead, too.

Harry it seems that your view is that anyone who blows up or shoots
someone to death simply has to be some 'radical religious extremist'


Not at all, but a significant number of crazies with guns and bombs are
religious extremists.

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On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 22:06:31 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

I'm not sure belief
in a supreme being is as much the cause as is organized religion.

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The problem is not so much religion as it is human nature. How do you
fix that?

It is in our genes through countless thousands of years of selective
Darwinism to mistrust, and try to eliminate, those tribes which are
different. Only when drawn together by a common goal are those
differences temporarily put aside.

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On 4/21/13 10:16 PM, Tim wrote:
On Apr 21, 6:52 pm, "F.O.A.D." wrote:


Uh, there have been plenty of nations where one version of Christianity
or another has been the law of the land...

Has been??? What about the 'is now?'



A number of states in this country have dumped the constitution and rule
of law in favor of religious rule. Kansas is one, Virginia's Republican
governor wannabe will do his best if he is elected.

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On 4/21/13 10:18 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 22:06:31 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

I'm not sure belief
in a supreme being is as much the cause as is organized religion.

===

The problem is not so much religion as it is human nature. How do you
fix that?

It is in our genes through countless thousands of years of selective
Darwinism to mistrust, and try to eliminate, those tribes which are
different. Only when drawn together by a common goal are those
differences temporarily put aside.


What a wonderful rationalization and "escape clause" for the horrors
perpetrated on civilizations by organized religion.