How many each year in the US, something like 17,000?

And in states where guns are embraced, the percentages of gun suicides
is much higher.

"Matthew Warren, the son of evangelical megachurch pastor Rick Warren
who committed suicide last week, killed himself with an unregistered
gun he had bought online, the pastor said on Thursday.

"Someone on the Internet sold Matthew an unregistered gun. I pray he
seeks God's forgiveness. I forgive him. #MATTHEW 6:15," the pastor
tweeted, referencing a Biblical passage about the forgiveness of
sins."

On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 17:06:51 -0700, jps wrote:


How many each year in the US, something like 17,000?

And in states where guns are embraced, the percentages of gun suicides
is much higher.

"Matthew Warren, the son of evangelical megachurch pastor Rick Warren
who committed suicide last week, killed himself with an unregistered
gun he had bought online, the pastor said on Thursday.

"Someone on the Internet sold Matthew an unregistered gun. I pray he
seeks God's forgiveness. I forgive him. #MATTHEW 6:15," the pastor
tweeted, referencing a Biblical passage about the forgiveness of
sins."

Silly. Answered later.


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On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 22:56:24 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 17:06:51 -0700, jps wrote:


How many each year in the US, something like 17,000?

And in states where guns are embraced, the percentages of gun suicides
is much higher.

"Matthew Warren, the son of evangelical megachurch pastor Rick Warren
who committed suicide last week, killed himself with an unregistered
gun he had bought online, the pastor said on Thursday.

"Someone on the Internet sold Matthew an unregistered gun. I pray he
seeks God's forgiveness. I forgive him. #MATTHEW 6:15," the pastor
tweeted, referencing a Biblical passage about the forgiveness of
sins."

What the hell doe any of this have to do with the suicide?

The Japanese, who the "gun safety" people love to point to, have a
much higher suicide rate than the US with virtually no guns.
Since you brought up the internet, I will remind you that a quick
Google search will give you dozens of ways to "punch out" without a
gun.

Perhaps the issue is that some people who want to die want to take a
lot of others with them.

BTW I am still not sure how you legally buy a gun on the internet. How
do they deliver the gun? Interstate sales and sales through the mail
have been illegal for 45 years.

Not if you order through a dealer online.

On 4/12/13 1:59 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 20:40:11 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 22:56:24 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 17:06:51 -0700, jps wrote:


How many each year in the US, something like 17,000?

And in states where guns are embraced, the percentages of gun suicides
is much higher.

"Matthew Warren, the son of evangelical megachurch pastor Rick Warren
who committed suicide last week, killed himself with an unregistered
gun he had bought online, the pastor said on Thursday.

"Someone on the Internet sold Matthew an unregistered gun. I pray he
seeks God's forgiveness. I forgive him. #MATTHEW 6:15," the pastor
tweeted, referencing a Biblical passage about the forgiveness of
sins."

What the hell doe any of this have to do with the suicide?

The Japanese, who the "gun safety" people love to point to, have a
much higher suicide rate than the US with virtually no guns.
Since you brought up the internet, I will remind you that a quick
Google search will give you dozens of ways to "punch out" without a
gun.

Perhaps the issue is that some people who want to die want to take a
lot of others with them.

Having nothing to do with this story

BTW I am still not sure how you legally buy a gun on the internet. How
do they deliver the gun? Interstate sales and sales through the mail
have been illegal for 45 years.

Not if you order through a dealer online.

Bull****, the only way you can order a gun from another state is to
have it shipped to an FFL in your state, where you pick it up, after
the background check and the 4473.
Any FFL selling a gun still has to log the transaction in his bound
book, even if it is a private sale from his own collection and he
needs to run the background check.
I posted a link to the law on the ATF web site a week or two ago.

Try again.

What is a legal internet sale?


I thought you could order genuine antique firearms and modern black
powder firearms directly. I could be wrong about this. I sold a shotgun
once through an online auction to a fellow in Nebraska, and the auction
site was clear the firearm had to be shipped to an FFL there.

On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 22:56:24 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 17:06:51 -0700, jps wrote:


How many each year in the US, something like 17,000?

And in states where guns are embraced, the percentages of gun suicides
is much higher.

"Matthew Warren, the son of evangelical megachurch pastor Rick Warren
who committed suicide last week, killed himself with an unregistered
gun he had bought online, the pastor said on Thursday.

"Someone on the Internet sold Matthew an unregistered gun. I pray he
seeks God's forgiveness. I forgive him. #MATTHEW 6:15," the pastor
tweeted, referencing a Biblical passage about the forgiveness of
sins."

What the hell doe any of this have to do with the suicide?

The Japanese, who the "gun safety" people love to point to, have a
much higher suicide rate than the US with virtually no guns.
Since you brought up the internet, I will remind you that a quick
Google search will give you dozens of ways to "punch out" without a
gun.

BTW I am still not sure how you legally buy a gun on the internet. How
do they deliver the gun? Interstate sales and sales through the mail
have been illegal for 45 years.

It can be delivered to a FFL holder in your local. I bought my M&P Pro 9mm from Bud's Guns out in
Kentucky. They provide a convenient way to locate an FFL holder. Just enter your zip code:

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/ffl.php

I picked the cheapest and closest. Worked like a charm.



Salmonbait

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'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.

In article , says...

On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 22:56:24 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 17:06:51 -0700, jps wrote:


How many each year in the US, something like 17,000?

And in states where guns are embraced, the percentages of gun suicides
is much higher.

"Matthew Warren, the son of evangelical megachurch pastor Rick Warren
who committed suicide last week, killed himself with an unregistered
gun he had bought online, the pastor said on Thursday.

"Someone on the Internet sold Matthew an unregistered gun. I pray he
seeks God's forgiveness. I forgive him. #MATTHEW 6:15," the pastor
tweeted, referencing a Biblical passage about the forgiveness of
sins."

What the hell doe any of this have to do with the suicide?

The Japanese, who the "gun safety" people love to point to, have a
much higher suicide rate than the US with virtually no guns.
Since you brought up the internet, I will remind you that a quick
Google search will give you dozens of ways to "punch out" without a
gun.

Perhaps the issue is that some people who want to die want to take a
lot of others with them.

BTW I am still not sure how you legally buy a gun on the internet. How
do they deliver the gun? Interstate sales and sales through the mail
have been illegal for 45 years.

Not if you order through a dealer online.

If you have an FFL on file with the vendor or other FFL dealer they will verify that your FFL
is current and send it to the address listed on your FFL. If you don't have an FFL you have
to provide an FFL in your state to have the firearm shipped to where you then have to go and
perform the transfer between you and your local FFL.

On Fri, 12 Apr 2013 07:56:34 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article , says...

On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 22:56:24 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 17:06:51 -0700, jps wrote:


How many each year in the US, something like 17,000?

And in states where guns are embraced, the percentages of gun suicides
is much higher.

"Matthew Warren, the son of evangelical megachurch pastor Rick Warren
who committed suicide last week, killed himself with an unregistered
gun he had bought online, the pastor said on Thursday.

"Someone on the Internet sold Matthew an unregistered gun. I pray he
seeks God's forgiveness. I forgive him. #MATTHEW 6:15," the pastor
tweeted, referencing a Biblical passage about the forgiveness of
sins."

What the hell doe any of this have to do with the suicide?

The Japanese, who the "gun safety" people love to point to, have a
much higher suicide rate than the US with virtually no guns.
Since you brought up the internet, I will remind you that a quick
Google search will give you dozens of ways to "punch out" without a
gun.

Perhaps the issue is that some people who want to die want to take a
lot of others with them.

BTW I am still not sure how you legally buy a gun on the internet. How
do they deliver the gun? Interstate sales and sales through the mail
have been illegal for 45 years.

Not if you order through a dealer online.

If you have an FFL on file with the vendor or other FFL dealer they will verify that your FFL
is current and send it to the address listed on your FFL. If you don't have an FFL you have
to provide an FFL in your state to have the firearm shipped to where you then have to go and
perform the transfer between you and your local FFL.


Bud's Guns just makes it easy for the buyer to find one.


Salmonbait

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'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.

On 4/12/13 11:39 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 12 Apr 2013 06:31:03 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/12/13 1:59 AM, wrote:


What is a legal internet sale?


I thought you could order genuine antique firearms and modern black
powder firearms directly. I could be wrong about this.

There are still some muzzle loaders and cap and ball revolvers that
are exempt from GCA 86 but that is not what everyone has their panties
in a wad about

I sold a shotgun
once through an online auction to a fellow in Nebraska, and the auction
site was clear the firearm had to be shipped to an FFL there.

That was a FFL sale with a 4473 and a background check.
Any auction site that actually brokers the money or sets up the
details of the transaction will need an FFL involved and maybe two.



Well, it certainly wasn't inconvenient on my end. FFL sent me a copy of
his license, I shipped him the shotgun. I still don't understand what
the problem is with doing business that way.

On Fri, 12 Apr 2013 11:40:13 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 12 Apr 2013 07:49:18 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 22:56:24 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 17:06:51 -0700, jps wrote:


How many each year in the US, something like 17,000?

And in states where guns are embraced, the percentages of gun suicides
is much higher.

"Matthew Warren, the son of evangelical megachurch pastor Rick Warren
who committed suicide last week, killed himself with an unregistered
gun he had bought online, the pastor said on Thursday.

"Someone on the Internet sold Matthew an unregistered gun. I pray he
seeks God's forgiveness. I forgive him. #MATTHEW 6:15," the pastor
tweeted, referencing a Biblical passage about the forgiveness of
sins."

What the hell doe any of this have to do with the suicide?

The Japanese, who the "gun safety" people love to point to, have a
much higher suicide rate than the US with virtually no guns.
Since you brought up the internet, I will remind you that a quick
Google search will give you dozens of ways to "punch out" without a
gun.

BTW I am still not sure how you legally buy a gun on the internet. How
do they deliver the gun? Interstate sales and sales through the mail
have been illegal for 45 years.

It can be delivered to a FFL holder in your local. I bought my M&P Pro 9mm from Bud's Guns out in
Kentucky. They provide a convenient way to locate an FFL holder. Just enter your zip code:

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/ffl.php

I picked the cheapest and closest. Worked like a charm.


That FFL ran a background check and you filled out a 4473.

Yup, did it online while I was filling out the 4473. Whole thing took 20 minutes, and that included
bull****ting about motorcycles.


Salmonbait

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'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.

On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 20:40:11 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

Not if you order through a dealer online.

===

Your lack of knowledge is showing. No reputable gun dealer who
values their license or business will ship a gun directly to you. The
required procedure is that you find a local FFL (Federal Firearms
Licensee) who will receive the gun from the dealer, perform a
background check on the buyer, perform the registration requirements,
and only then allow you to take delivery.