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Another suicide by unregistered gun
On 4/12/13 11:39 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 12 Apr 2013 06:31:03 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 4/12/13 1:59 AM, wrote: What is a legal internet sale? I thought you could order genuine antique firearms and modern black powder firearms directly. I could be wrong about this. There are still some muzzle loaders and cap and ball revolvers that are exempt from GCA 86 but that is not what everyone has their panties in a wad about I sold a shotgun once through an online auction to a fellow in Nebraska, and the auction site was clear the firearm had to be shipped to an FFL there. That was a FFL sale with a 4473 and a background check. Any auction site that actually brokers the money or sets up the details of the transaction will need an FFL involved and maybe two. Well, it certainly wasn't inconvenient on my end. FFL sent me a copy of his license, I shipped him the shotgun. I still don't understand what the problem is with doing business that way. |
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#3
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Another suicide by unregistered gun
On 4/12/13 12:04 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 12 Apr 2013 11:46:26 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 4/12/13 11:39 AM, wrote: I sold a shotgun once through an online auction to a fellow in Nebraska, and the auction site was clear the firearm had to be shipped to an FFL there. That was a FFL sale with a 4473 and a background check. Any auction site that actually brokers the money or sets up the details of the transaction will need an FFL involved and maybe two. Well, it certainly wasn't inconvenient on my end. FFL sent me a copy of his license, I shipped him the shotgun. I still don't understand what the problem is with doing business that way. I agree that is not oppressive but that has been the law for almost a half century. What internet sales are they talking about? After looking up the current legislation, it appears they want to eliminate all private sales. If I want to sell a shotgun to a neighbor I have known for 30 years, I would still need to go through a dealer. How will that be enforceable? I have no idea. I have bills of sale with descriptions and serial numbers on all my firearms transactions. I wouldn't buy or sell a firearm without an FFL's documentation. |
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#4
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Another suicide by unregistered gun
On 4/12/13 1:33 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 12 Apr 2013 12:27:03 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 4/12/13 12:04 PM, wrote: Well, it certainly wasn't inconvenient on my end. FFL sent me a copy of his license, I shipped him the shotgun. I still don't understand what the problem is with doing business that way. I agree that is not oppressive but that has been the law for almost a half century. What internet sales are they talking about? After looking up the current legislation, it appears they want to eliminate all private sales. If I want to sell a shotgun to a neighbor I have known for 30 years, I would still need to go through a dealer. How will that be enforceable? I have no idea. I have bills of sale with descriptions and serial numbers on all my firearms transactions. I wouldn't buy or sell a firearm without an FFL's documentation. I would be skeptical about buying a gun from a stranger without having the SN flushed through NCIC to be sure it wasn't stolen but I am not sure I need a FFL involved. I doubt most do that anyway. I also wonder if ATF actually looks at stolen gun records when they process the 4473 I have never bought a gun from a stranger but about half the guns I have were obtained in private transfers from people I know. Half of those were cops. Most cops I know are also gun collectors who buy and sell occasionally. (some more than occasionally) I've purchased firearms from five different dealers in Maryland and never had an issue with any. Couple of years ago, my favorite tackle shop where I had also purchased my .22LR, got approved by ATF to sell handguns, too, so if and when I buy another, he's the go-to guy for me. You might know the shop...as you go East on R260 towards Chesapeake Beach, he's about a half mile in on the left, in a strip shopping center. Great shop, lots of fishing gear, good prices, bows, and now, handguns. Guy has no problem accepting your incoming purchases from another FFL if it is something he doesn't handle normally. Just charges a reasonable FFL fee. Some dealers won't do that. New carry out seafood joint recently opened next door. Very good food. |
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Another suicide by unregistered gun
On Fri, 12 Apr 2013 12:04:45 -0400, wrote:
On Fri, 12 Apr 2013 11:46:26 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 4/12/13 11:39 AM, wrote: I sold a shotgun once through an online auction to a fellow in Nebraska, and the auction site was clear the firearm had to be shipped to an FFL there. That was a FFL sale with a 4473 and a background check. Any auction site that actually brokers the money or sets up the details of the transaction will need an FFL involved and maybe two. Well, it certainly wasn't inconvenient on my end. FFL sent me a copy of his license, I shipped him the shotgun. I still don't understand what the problem is with doing business that way. I agree that is not oppressive but that has been the law for almost a half century. What internet sales are they talking about? After looking up the current legislation, it appears they want to eliminate all private sales. If I want to sell a shotgun to a neighbor I have known for 30 years, I would still need to go through a dealer. How will that be enforceable? There's no "current" legislation. There's a proposal. Are you now claiming that you don't want to wait and see? |
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Another suicide by unregistered gun
On Fri, 12 Apr 2013 01:59:20 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 20:40:11 -0700, Urin Asshole wrote: On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 22:56:24 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 17:06:51 -0700, jps wrote: How many each year in the US, something like 17,000? And in states where guns are embraced, the percentages of gun suicides is much higher. "Matthew Warren, the son of evangelical megachurch pastor Rick Warren who committed suicide last week, killed himself with an unregistered gun he had bought online, the pastor said on Thursday. "Someone on the Internet sold Matthew an unregistered gun. I pray he seeks God's forgiveness. I forgive him. #MATTHEW 6:15," the pastor tweeted, referencing a Biblical passage about the forgiveness of sins." What the hell doe any of this have to do with the suicide? The Japanese, who the "gun safety" people love to point to, have a much higher suicide rate than the US with virtually no guns. Since you brought up the internet, I will remind you that a quick Google search will give you dozens of ways to "punch out" without a gun. Perhaps the issue is that some people who want to die want to take a lot of others with them. Having nothing to do with this story Having everything to do with what happened in Newtown and Columbine. BTW I am still not sure how you legally buy a gun on the internet. How do they deliver the gun? Interstate sales and sales through the mail have been illegal for 45 years. Not if you order through a dealer online. Bull****, the only way you can order a gun from another state is to have it shipped to an FFL in your state, where you pick it up, after the background check and the 4473. Any FFL selling a gun still has to log the transaction in his bound book, even if it is a private sale from his own collection and he needs to run the background check. I posted a link to the law on the ATF web site a week or two ago. Try again. What is a legal internet sale? As I said. You can order it and follow the rules. So, you're the one full of ****, as usual. |
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#7
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Another suicide by unregistered gun
In article , says...
On Fri, 12 Apr 2013 01:59:20 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 20:40:11 -0700, Urin Asshole wrote: On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 22:56:24 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 17:06:51 -0700, jps wrote: How many each year in the US, something like 17,000? And in states where guns are embraced, the percentages of gun suicides is much higher. "Matthew Warren, the son of evangelical megachurch pastor Rick Warren who committed suicide last week, killed himself with an unregistered gun he had bought online, the pastor said on Thursday. "Someone on the Internet sold Matthew an unregistered gun. I pray he seeks God's forgiveness. I forgive him. #MATTHEW 6:15," the pastor tweeted, referencing a Biblical passage about the forgiveness of sins." What the hell doe any of this have to do with the suicide? The Japanese, who the "gun safety" people love to point to, have a much higher suicide rate than the US with virtually no guns. Since you brought up the internet, I will remind you that a quick Google search will give you dozens of ways to "punch out" without a gun. Perhaps the issue is that some people who want to die want to take a lot of others with them. Having nothing to do with this story Having everything to do with what happened in Newtown and Columbine. BTW I am still not sure how you legally buy a gun on the internet. How do they deliver the gun? Interstate sales and sales through the mail have been illegal for 45 years. Not if you order through a dealer online. Bull****, the only way you can order a gun from another state is to have it shipped to an FFL in your state, where you pick it up, after the background check and the 4473. Any FFL selling a gun still has to log the transaction in his bound book, even if it is a private sale from his own collection and he needs to run the background check. I posted a link to the law on the ATF web site a week or two ago. Try again. What is a legal internet sale? As I said. You can order it and follow the rules. So, you're the one full of ****, as usual. You said no such thing. You just said that you could order a gun online. |
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#8
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Another suicide by unregistered gun
On Fri, 12 Apr 2013 18:05:51 -0400, BAR wrote:
In article , says... On Fri, 12 Apr 2013 01:59:20 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 20:40:11 -0700, Urin Asshole wrote: On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 22:56:24 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 17:06:51 -0700, jps wrote: How many each year in the US, something like 17,000? And in states where guns are embraced, the percentages of gun suicides is much higher. "Matthew Warren, the son of evangelical megachurch pastor Rick Warren who committed suicide last week, killed himself with an unregistered gun he had bought online, the pastor said on Thursday. "Someone on the Internet sold Matthew an unregistered gun. I pray he seeks God's forgiveness. I forgive him. #MATTHEW 6:15," the pastor tweeted, referencing a Biblical passage about the forgiveness of sins." What the hell doe any of this have to do with the suicide? The Japanese, who the "gun safety" people love to point to, have a much higher suicide rate than the US with virtually no guns. Since you brought up the internet, I will remind you that a quick Google search will give you dozens of ways to "punch out" without a gun. Perhaps the issue is that some people who want to die want to take a lot of others with them. Having nothing to do with this story Having everything to do with what happened in Newtown and Columbine. BTW I am still not sure how you legally buy a gun on the internet. How do they deliver the gun? Interstate sales and sales through the mail have been illegal for 45 years. Not if you order through a dealer online. Bull****, the only way you can order a gun from another state is to have it shipped to an FFL in your state, where you pick it up, after the background check and the 4473. Any FFL selling a gun still has to log the transaction in his bound book, even if it is a private sale from his own collection and he needs to run the background check. I posted a link to the law on the ATF web site a week or two ago. Try again. What is a legal internet sale? As I said. You can order it and follow the rules. So, you're the one full of ****, as usual. You said no such thing. You just said that you could order a gun online. So, just to be clear... you're claiming that I said you could by a gun online and there are no rules? If so, please quote the line. Yeah, you can't. |
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