What is this "pin" thing called?
 

In old "pirate" movies, you'll sometimes see, during a fight, a man pull
out a special-shaped wooden pin or club and use it as a weapon.
Sometimes he has one or more on him, but often he yanks it from a
mounting bracket on the rail of the ship (where there appear to be many
of things, for, I presume, tying down lines to tack the sails).

Question: Do these pins have a specific name?

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What is this "pin" thing called?
 

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 01:30:00 -0500, Mike1
wrote:


In old "pirate" movies, you'll sometimes see, during a fight, a man pull
out a special-shaped wooden pin or club and use it as a weapon.
Sometimes he has one or more on him, but often he yanks it from a
mounting bracket on the rail of the ship (where there appear to be many
of things, for, I presume, tying down lines to tack the sails).

Question: Do these pins have a specific name?


If the first pic on this ( http://www.tallshipbounty.org/belay.html ) page
is what you are talking about then, you're thinking of belaying pins, used
either for lashing/belaying running rigging, or motivating the crew.



--
Christopher Horner

What is this "pin" thing called?
 

"Christopher Horner" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 01:30:00 -0500, Mike1
wrote:


In old "pirate" movies, you'll sometimes see, during a fight, a man pull
out a special-shaped wooden pin or club and use it as a weapon.
Sometimes he has one or more on him, but often he yanks it from a
mounting bracket on the rail of the ship (where there appear to be many
of things, for, I presume, tying down lines to tack the sails).

Question: Do these pins have a specific name?


If the first pic on this ( http://www.tallshipbounty.org/belay.html ) page
is what you are talking about then, you're thinking of belaying pins, used
either for lashing/belaying running rigging, or motivating the crew.

The more usual motivation tool was a "starter", a short piece of heavy line
used as a club/whip.

What is this "pin" thing called?
 

Brian Sharrock wrote:
"Mike1" wrote in message
...

In old "pirate" movies, you'll sometimes see, during a fight, a man pull
out a special-shaped wooden pin or club and use it as a weapon.
Sometimes he has one or more on him, but often he yanks it from a
mounting bracket on the rail of the ship (where there appear to be many
of things, for, I presume, tying down lines to tack the sails).

Question: Do these pins have a specific name?


Answer: Yes! -couldn't resist the temptation to :)

Question: what is the specific name for the items discussed?

Answer: Belaying pins. Ropes, line, halyards, sheets etc, etc,
are belayed onto the appropriate pin so that the rope-work
looks tiddly and Bristol fashion and that the crew can
fumble
in the dark and select the correct piece of string. Note
that
the rope-work is _not_ tied-off in a knot or bend which may
jam
but they are wound around the head of the pin and the tail
of the pin - belayed - then the remaining length is coiled
and
handed onto to head of the pin.

Hope that helps

--

Brian

almost there

Belaying pins actually function as a machine. The pin protudes through
the pin rail. the "rope" comes down vertically past the pinrail and a
"turn" is takn around the tail of the pin. This changes the angle of
pull 90 degrees and allows more people to pull on the rope than if it
just came down vertically. The rope can also be attached to a
windlass. Friction between the rope and the pin rail adds to the work
load, but in a trained crew is also used to grab the rope while you
change hands or tie off the rope. the rope is tied off by taking a
"hitch" in the rope in which the standing part is crossed over itself
and dropped over the top of the pin. Pulling on the rope tightens down
the "belay knot" (yes its a knot) on the head of the pin

if the load is very heavy and you need more friction you can take a
second belay by taking a second turn aroun the tail and making a
"double belay".


Vince

What is this "pin" thing called?
 

"Vince Brannigan" wrote in message
...

[ SNIP ]
Belaying pins actually function as a machine. The pin protudes through
the pin rail. the "rope" comes down vertically past the pinrail and a
"turn" is takn around the tail of the pin. This changes the angle of
pull 90 degrees and allows more people to pull on the rope than if it
just came down vertically. The rope can also be attached to a
windlass. Friction between the rope and the pin rail adds to the work
load, but in a trained crew is also used to grab the rope while you
change hands or tie off the rope. the rope is tied off by taking a
"hitch" in the rope in which the standing part is crossed over itself
and dropped over the top of the pin. Pulling on the rope tightens down
the "belay knot" (yes its a knot) on the head of the pin

if the load is very heavy and you need more friction you can take a
second belay by taking a second turn aroun the tail and making a
"double belay".

All you guys know a little bit too much, which is disgusting me. I will soon
expound on either the exact details of how early 19th century cannons were
secured (complete with the nomenclature of the ropes), or ruminate on
careening, or perhaps speculate at length on the design of galley oar
blades.

AHS

What is this "pin" thing called?
 

Mike1 wrote in message ...
In old "pirate" movies, you'll sometimes see, during a fight, a man pull
out a special-shaped wooden pin or club and use it as a weapon.
Sometimes he has one or more on him, but often he yanks it from a
mounting bracket on the rail of the ship (where there appear to be many
of things, for, I presume, tying down lines to tack the sails).

Question: Do these pins have a specific name?

I heard some people call them bull pins, and dog pins.
They weren't used for tying down anything, that's
why they were always free, and pirates particulary
wanted to steal them. After you get the
sails up on those tall ships, you have to
tension the lines. The pins were used in
a turnbuckle type of a rig to tune the
sails after you got them up.

What is this "pin" thing called?
 

"Vince Brannigan" wrote in message
...
Belaying pins actually function as a machine. The pin protudes through

snip good info

Also for flying scenery (moderately useless trivia info): see
http://www.arts.ubc.ca/TheatreDesign...spc/flies1.pdf

Regards,
Barry

What is this "pin" thing called?
 

BF Lake wrote:
"Vince Brannigan" wrote in message
...

Belaying pins actually function as a machine. The pin protudes through


snip good info

Also for flying scenery (moderately useless trivia info): see
http://www.arts.ubc.ca/TheatreDesign...spc/flies1.pdf



Our fly loft at my High school was built in 1896. It is exactly as
described.

Vince

What is this "pin" thing called?
 

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 01:30:00 -0500, something compelled Mike1
, to say:


In old "pirate" movies, you'll sometimes see, during a fight, a man pull
out a special-shaped wooden pin or club and use it as a weapon.
Sometimes he has one or more on him, but often he yanks it from a
mounting bracket on the rail of the ship (where there appear to be many
of things, for, I presume, tying down lines to tack the sails).

Question: Do these pins have a specific name?

Belaying pin.

What is this "pin" thing called?
 

There's nothing wrong with the usage. If there was reference to a particular usage, it
is usually referred to as line, but as a generic item, its rope.

Maybe you should learn the ropes.


"anonymous" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 10:23:41 GMT, Vince Brannigan
said:

the "rope" comes down vertically

Never trust the word of anyone who doesn't' know the difference between a
rope and a line.

What is this "pin" thing called?
 

"Mike1" wrote in message
...

In old "pirate" movies, you'll sometimes see, during a fight, a man pull
out a special-shaped wooden pin or club and use it as a weapon.
Sometimes he has one or more on him, but often he yanks it from a
mounting bracket on the rail of the ship (where there appear to be many
of things, for, I presume, tying down lines to tack the sails).

Question: Do these pins have a specific name?

Answer: Yes! -couldn't resist the temptation to :)

Question: what is the specific name for the items discussed?

Answer: Belaying pins. Ropes, line, halyards, sheets etc, etc,
are belayed onto the appropriate pin so that the rope-work
looks tiddly and Bristol fashion and that the crew can
fumble
in the dark and select the correct piece of string. Note
that
the rope-work is _not_ tied-off in a knot or bend which may
jam
but they are wound around the head of the pin and the tail
of the pin - belayed - then the remaining length is coiled
and
handed onto to head of the pin.

Hope that helps

--

Brian

What is this "pin" thing called?
 

"Christopher Horner" wrote in message

If the first pic on this ( http://www.tallshipbounty.org/belay.html ) page
is what you are talking about then, you're thinking of belaying pins


Thankee, thankee. Those 'r the guys.

(BTW, did they have a standard dimension, or come in all sizes?)

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What is this "pin" thing called?
 

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 10:23:41 GMT, Vince Brannigan
is illeged to have opined:



Brian Sharrock wrote:
"Mike1" wrote in message
...

In old "pirate" movies, you'll sometimes see, during a fight, a man pull
out a special-shaped wooden pin or club and use it as a weapon.
Sometimes he has one or more on him, but often he yanks it from a
mounting bracket on the rail of the ship (where there appear to be many
of things, for, I presume, tying down lines to tack the sails).

Question: Do these pins have a specific name?


Answer: Yes! -couldn't resist the temptation to :)

Question: what is the specific name for the items discussed?

Answer: Belaying pins. Ropes, line, halyards, sheets etc, etc,
are belayed onto the appropriate pin so that the rope-work
looks tiddly and Bristol fashion and that the crew can
fumble
in the dark and select the correct piece of string. Note
that
the rope-work is _not_ tied-off in a knot or bend which may
jam
but they are wound around the head of the pin and the tail
of the pin - belayed - then the remaining length is coiled
and
handed onto to head of the pin.

Hope that helps

--

Brian

almost there

Belaying pins actually function as a machine. The pin protudes through
the pin rail. snippage
Vince


For the TRULY detail driven, the pin's rail was known as a Fife Rail.
The belaying pin's holes in the wooden rail caused the wood to
resemble a fife.

HP sends

What is this "pin" thing called?
 

as a generic item, its rope

Well, a little research and I learned something. According to
http://www.chron.com/content/interac...ry/l.html#line,
"On a boat, most ropes are called lines" but "Traditionally, a line must be
over 1 inch in size to be called a rope." We used 5" nylon for a 4 point
mooring, but I never once heard it referred to as "rope."

Isn't anything, line or rope, over 4-inches a "hawser"?

-keith

What is this "pin" thing called?
 

Vince Brannigan wrote:

Also for flying scenery (moderately useless trivia info): see
http://www.arts.ubc.ca/TheatreDesign...spc/flies1.pdf

Our fly loft at my High school was built in 1896. It is exactly as
described.

Vince

Arr-b'gaarh, it's Long John Silver! It goes back even further than
that, early Renaissance theater spectacles as designed by Leonardo
DaVinci had flying scenery and floating palaces.
There is reason to believe that a canopy covering the Roman Coleseum
was copied from ship-rigging - theater and rigging goes way back.

-keith

What is this "pin" thing called?
 

Vince Brannigan wrote:

Brian Sharrock wrote:
"Mike1" wrote in message
...

In old "pirate" movies, you'll sometimes see, during a fight, a man pull
out a special-shaped wooden pin or club and use it as a weapon.
Sometimes he has one or more on him, but often he yanks it from a
mounting bracket on the rail of the ship (where there appear to be many
of things, for, I presume, tying down lines to tack the sails).

Question: Do these pins have a specific name?


Answer: Yes! -couldn't resist the temptation to :)

Question: what is the specific name for the items discussed?

Answer: Belaying pins. Ropes, line, halyards, sheets etc, etc,
are belayed onto the appropriate pin so that the rope-work
looks tiddly and Bristol fashion and that the crew can
fumble
in the dark and select the correct piece of string. Note
that
the rope-work is _not_ tied-off in a knot or bend which may
jam
but they are wound around the head of the pin and the tail
of the pin - belayed - then the remaining length is coiled
and
handed onto to head of the pin.

Hope that helps

--

Brian

almost there

Belaying pins actually function as a machine. The pin protudes through
the pin rail. the "rope" comes down vertically past the pinrail and a
"turn" is takn around the tail of the pin. This changes the angle of
pull 90 degrees and allows more people to pull on the rope than if it
just came down vertically. The rope can also be attached to a
windlass. Friction between the rope and the pin rail adds to the work
load, but in a trained crew is also used to grab the rope while you
change hands or tie off the rope. the rope is tied off by taking a
"hitch" in the rope in which the standing part is crossed over itself
and dropped over the top of the pin. Pulling on the rope tightens down
the "belay knot" (yes its a knot) on the head of the pin

if the load is very heavy and you need more friction you can take a
second belay by taking a second turn aroun the tail and making a
"double belay".

Vince

Actually, I learned how to do that in my high school theater, which
had a fully functional pin rail for all the crap the scenery folks wanted
hung in the air over the actors heads. We did have much more, ummm,
colorful names for them though.

--Dale

What is this "pin" thing called?
 

There are only three "Ropes" on a boat.....
Bell ,
Anchor,
& ????

JRS

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
There's nothing wrong with the usage. If there was reference to a
particular usage, it
is usually referred to as line, but as a generic item, its rope.

Maybe you should learn the ropes.


"anonymous" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 10:23:41 GMT, Vince Brannigan

said:

the "rope" comes down vertically

Never trust the word of anyone who doesn't' know the difference between
a
rope and a line.

What is this "pin" thing called?
 

It is a myth that there is only "one" or only "three" ropes on a ship.

Here's a few mo

Head rope
Foot Rope
Slip rope
Tiller ropes
Manrope
Buoy-rope
Top Rope
Rope-bands

And, of course, collectively, the lines are known as "The Ropes."

If you look at any traditional book on seamanship, you'll always see "rope" used when
discussing issues such as how to belay.




"JRS" wrote in message
...
There are only three "Ropes" on a boat.....
Bell ,
Anchor,
& ????

JRS

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
There's nothing wrong with the usage. If there was reference to a
particular usage, it
is usually referred to as line, but as a generic item, its rope.

Maybe you should learn the ropes.


"anonymous" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 10:23:41 GMT, Vince Brannigan

said:

the "rope" comes down vertically

Never trust the word of anyone who doesn't' know the difference between
a
rope and a line.

What is this "pin" thing called?
 

In article ,
Dale Farmer wrote:



Actually, I learned how to do that in my high school theater, which
had a fully functional pin rail for all the crap the scenery folks wanted
hung in the air over the actors heads. We did have much more, ummm,
colorful names for them though.

I now realize that I should thank my lucky stars that I have only tread the
boards under counterweighted fly pipes.

What is this "pin" thing called?
 

You obviously havrn't sailed on my boat.

What is this "pin" thing called?
 

Richard Bell wrote:

In article ,
Dale Farmer wrote:



Actually, I learned how to do that in my high school theater, which
had a fully functional pin rail for all the crap the scenery folks wanted
hung in the air over the actors heads. We did have much more, ummm,
colorful names for them though.

I now realize that I should thank my lucky stars that I have only tread the
boards under counterweighted fly pipes.

You are no safer because of a counterweighted system than a hemp
house. I think that you would actually be safer in a hemp house, as there,
ALL the folks doing rigging know how to tie the correct knots correctly,
and are generally more careful in their actions. Barring a visit from
Davie Dimmers of course, then all bets are off.

--Dale

(( Davie Dimmers is a ( hopefully ) mythical character who is forever doing
really clever, stupid and dangerous things in technical theatre. I believe he
is an invention of Clive Mitchell . ))

What is this "pin" thing called?
 

Am Sun, 26 Oct 2003 06:59:39 -0400, schrieb "Arved Sandstrom"
:

All you guys know a little bit too much, which is disgusting me. I will soon
expound on either the exact details of how early 19th century cannons were
secured (complete with the nomenclature of the ropes), or ruminate on
careening, or perhaps speculate at length on the design of galley oar
blades.


But this is not ancient, useless knowledge, if you ever go sailing on
an old sailing boat.

:-)
Owe
--
My from-adress is valid and being read.
www.owejessen.de

What is this "pin" thing called?
 

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:55:19 +0100, Owe Jessen
wrote:

All you guys know a little bit too much, which is disgusting me. I will soon
expound on either the exact details of how early 19th century cannons were
secured (complete with the nomenclature of the ropes), or ruminate on
careening, or perhaps speculate at length on the design of galley oar
blades.


But this is not ancient, useless knowledge, if you ever go sailing on
an old sailing boat.

:-)
Owe


My dad rowed crew at Annapolis, ages ago, and mentioned once going on
a "rowing vacation" in Greece, on a Trireme...
http://www-atm.physics.ox.ac.uk/rowi...me/trieris.jpg

http://www.angelfire.com/art/archict...ias/rowers.jpg
Holy Spartacus, it looks kinda cozy.

What is this "pin" thing called?
 

Also, I believe the reason that the pin fit into a hole and was thereby
removable was to permit rapid unbelaying if necessary.

--

Njord

"Lord, your sea is so big, and my boat is so small"

Anonymous

"Vince Brannigan" wrote in message
...


Brian Sharrock wrote:
"Mike1" wrote in message
...

In old "pirate" movies, you'll sometimes see, during a fight, a man pull
out a special-shaped wooden pin or club and use it as a weapon.
Sometimes he has one or more on him, but often he yanks it from a
mounting bracket on the rail of the ship (where there appear to be many
of things, for, I presume, tying down lines to tack the sails).

Question: Do these pins have a specific name?


Answer: Yes! -couldn't resist the temptation to :)

Question: what is the specific name for the items discussed?

Answer: Belaying pins. Ropes, line, halyards, sheets etc, etc,
are belayed onto the appropriate pin so that the
rope-work
looks tiddly and Bristol fashion and that the crew can
fumble
in the dark and select the correct piece of string. Note
that
the rope-work is _not_ tied-off in a knot or bend which
may
jam
but they are wound around the head of the pin and the
tail
of the pin - belayed - then the remaining length is
coiled
and
handed onto to head of the pin.

Hope that helps

--

Brian

almost there

Belaying pins actually function as a machine. The pin protudes through
the pin rail. the "rope" comes down vertically past the pinrail and a
"turn" is takn around the tail of the pin. This changes the angle of
pull 90 degrees and allows more people to pull on the rope than if it
just came down vertically. The rope can also be attached to a
windlass. Friction between the rope and the pin rail adds to the work
load, but in a trained crew is also used to grab the rope while you
change hands or tie off the rope. the rope is tied off by taking a
"hitch" in the rope in which the standing part is crossed over itself
and dropped over the top of the pin. Pulling on the rope tightens down
the "belay knot" (yes its a knot) on the head of the pin

if the load is very heavy and you need more friction you can take a
second belay by taking a second turn aroun the tail and making a
"double belay".


Vince

What is this "pin" thing called?
 

are you sure the belaying pin is used for tightening
the rope?
I regularly sail a brigantine and a tradional sloop which both use
hooks on the deck.
the normal way I thought the ropes were tightened was by one person
pulling (out and downwards) above the hood and another person as the
'tail' who holds the rope coming up from the hook tight.
the belaying pin is only used to make fast the rope when it is tight
enough.
I belive the belaying pin would not have enough strength to be used
for this unless it was one of those new metal ones.

Vince Brannigan wrote in message ...
Brian Sharrock wrote:
"Mike1" wrote in message
...

In old "pirate" movies, you'll sometimes see, during a fight, a man pull
out a special-shaped wooden pin or club and use it as a weapon.
Sometimes he has one or more on him, but often he yanks it from a
mounting bracket on the rail of the ship (where there appear to be many
of things, for, I presume, tying down lines to tack the sails).

Question: Do these pins have a specific name?


Answer: Yes! -couldn't resist the temptation to :)

Question: what is the specific name for the items discussed?

Answer: Belaying pins. Ropes, line, halyards, sheets etc, etc,
are belayed onto the appropriate pin so that the rope-work
looks tiddly and Bristol fashion and that the crew can
fumble
in the dark and select the correct piece of string. Note
that
the rope-work is _not_ tied-off in a knot or bend which may
jam
but they are wound around the head of the pin and the tail
of the pin - belayed - then the remaining length is coiled
and
handed onto to head of the pin.

Hope that helps

--

Brian

almost there

Belaying pins actually function as a machine. The pin protudes through
the pin rail. the "rope" comes down vertically past the pinrail and a
"turn" is takn around the tail of the pin. This changes the angle of
pull 90 degrees and allows more people to pull on the rope than if it
just came down vertically. The rope can also be attached to a
windlass. Friction between the rope and the pin rail adds to the work
load, but in a trained crew is also used to grab the rope while you
change hands or tie off the rope. the rope is tied off by taking a
"hitch" in the rope in which the standing part is crossed over itself
and dropped over the top of the pin. Pulling on the rope tightens down
the "belay knot" (yes its a knot) on the head of the pin

if the load is very heavy and you need more friction you can take a
second belay by taking a second turn aroun the tail and making a
"double belay".


Vince

What is this "pin" thing called?
 

carl wrote:
are you sure the belaying pin is used for tightening
the rope?
I regularly sail a brigantine and a tradional sloop which both use
hooks on the deck.
the normal way I thought the ropes were tightened was by one person
pulling (out and downwards) above the hood and another person as the
'tail' who holds the rope coming up from the hook tight.
the belaying pin is only used to make fast the rope when it is tight
enough.
I belive the belaying pin would not have enough strength to be used
for this unless it was one of those new metal ones.

such hooks were not known on traditional sailing ships, unless you are
referring to a block attached to a deck cleat. the bealy gives you
friction to allow you to tie off the rope

Vince

What is this "pin" thing called?
 

Hmm, replying to my own post. But wondering if this has anything to do with
the expression 'to pull the pin'?

--

Njord

"Lord, your sea is so big, and my boat is so small"

Anonymous

"Njord" wrote in message
news:3yCnb.46282$N94.13437@lakeread02...
Also, I believe the reason that the pin fit into a hole and was thereby
removable was to permit rapid unbelaying if necessary.

--

Njord

"Lord, your sea is so big, and my boat is so small"

Anonymous

"Vince Brannigan" wrote in message
...


Brian Sharrock wrote:
"Mike1" wrote in message
...

In old "pirate" movies, you'll sometimes see, during a fight, a man
pull
out a special-shaped wooden pin or club and use it as a weapon.
Sometimes he has one or more on him, but often he yanks it from a
mounting bracket on the rail of the ship (where there appear to be
many
of things, for, I presume, tying down lines to tack the sails).

Question: Do these pins have a specific name?


Answer: Yes! -couldn't resist the temptation to :)

Question: what is the specific name for the items discussed?

Answer: Belaying pins. Ropes, line, halyards, sheets etc, etc,
are belayed onto the appropriate pin so that the
rope-work
looks tiddly and Bristol fashion and that the crew can
fumble
in the dark and select the correct piece of string.
Note
that
the rope-work is _not_ tied-off in a knot or bend which
may
jam
but they are wound around the head of the pin and the
tail
of the pin - belayed - then the remaining length is
coiled
and
handed onto to head of the pin.

Hope that helps

--

Brian

almost there

Belaying pins actually function as a machine. The pin protudes through
the pin rail. the "rope" comes down vertically past the pinrail and a
"turn" is takn around the tail of the pin. This changes the angle of
pull 90 degrees and allows more people to pull on the rope than if it
just came down vertically. The rope can also be attached to a
windlass. Friction between the rope and the pin rail adds to the work
load, but in a trained crew is also used to grab the rope while you
change hands or tie off the rope. the rope is tied off by taking a
"hitch" in the rope in which the standing part is crossed over itself
and dropped over the top of the pin. Pulling on the rope tightens down
the "belay knot" (yes its a knot) on the head of the pin

if the load is very heavy and you need more friction you can take a
second belay by taking a second turn aroun the tail and making a
"double belay".


Vince

What is this "pin" thing called?
 

"Njord" wrote:

Hmm, replying to my own post. But wondering if this has anything to do with
the expression 'to pull the pin'?

--

Njord


Isn't that from the Handgrenade manual-of-arms?
:-)

-keith

What is this "pin" thing called?
 

Njord wrote:

Hmm, replying to my own post. But wondering if this has anything to do with
the expression 'to pull the pin'?

"Once you pull the pin, Mister Hand Grenade is no longer your friend. "

-- The sergeant who had the thankless task of instructing me, and a whole
bunch
of other Hospital Corpsmen, on throwing hand grenades to cause injury to the
other side.

--Dale

What is this "pin" thing called?
 

"Njord" wrote:

Hmm, replying to my own post. But wondering if this has anything to do with
the expression 'to pull the pin'?

Hand grenade pins and belaying pins have nothing in common.
--
OJ III
[Email sent to Yahoo addy is burned before reading.
Lower and crunch the sig and you'll net me at comcast]

What is this "pin" thing called?
 

Ogden Johnson III wrote:

"Njord" wrote:



Hmm, replying to my own post. But wondering if this has anything to do with
the expression 'to pull the pin'?



Hand grenade pins and belaying pins have nothing in common.

Nor do police badges. In PD jargon (at least in the NYPD), 'to pull the
pin' means to retire. In olden days, the badge was secured to the
uniform with a large separate safety pin. Later badges had a pin as an
integral part of the badge. Pulling the pin meant that the badge was
removed forever.

What is this "pin" thing called?
 

Bill Schnakenberg wrote:
Ogden Johnson III wrote:

"Njord" wrote:



Hmm, replying to my own post. But wondering if this has anything to
do with
the expression 'to pull the pin'?



Hand grenade pins and belaying pins have nothing in common.

Nor do police badges. In PD jargon (at least in the NYPD), 'to pull the
pin' means to retire. In olden days, the badge was secured to the
uniform with a large separate safety pin. Later badges had a pin as an
integral part of the badge. Pulling the pin meant that the badge was
removed forever.


I never heard any NYPD person refer to it as anything other than a "shield"

vince

What is this "pin" thing called?
 

Vince Brannigan wrote:



Bill Schnakenberg wrote:

Ogden Johnson III wrote:

"Njord" wrote:



Hmm, replying to my own post. But wondering if this has anything to
do with
the expression 'to pull the pin'?




Hand grenade pins and belaying pins have nothing in common.

Nor do police badges. In PD jargon (at least in the NYPD), 'to pull
the pin' means to retire. In olden days, the badge was secured to the
uniform with a large separate safety pin. Later badges had a pin as
an integral part of the badge. Pulling the pin meant that the badge
was removed forever.


I never heard any NYPD person refer to it as anything other than a
"shield"

I was not a NYPD cop. I call it a badge. Whether the NYPD calls it a
'shield', or the slang word 'tin', does it change the meaning of my
message?
I invite you to go to this official NYPD page. Read the very last paragraph.
http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/html/ch...d-history.html

What is this "pin" thing called?
 

Dale Farmer wrote:

Njord wrote:

Hmm, replying to my own post. But wondering if this has anything to do with
the expression 'to pull the pin'?

"Once you pull the pin, Mister Hand Grenade is no longer your friend. "

-- The sergeant who had the thankless task of instructing me, and a whole
bunch
of other Hospital Corpsmen, on throwing hand grenades to cause injury to the
other side.

--Dale

Have you ever had a human being look so intensely at you as
your hand grenade instructor? I had the feeling that one
flinch and he was out of there, with me as his ladder/blast
shield.

Joe


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What is this "pin" thing called?
 

Vince Brannigan wrote in message ...
Bill Schnakenberg wrote:
Ogden Johnson III wrote:

"Njord" wrote:



Hmm, replying to my own post. But wondering if this has anything to
do with
the expression 'to pull the pin'?



Hand grenade pins and belaying pins have nothing in common.

Nor do police badges. In PD jargon (at least in the NYPD), 'to pull the
pin' means to retire. In olden days, the badge was secured to the
uniform with a large separate safety pin. Later badges had a pin as an
integral part of the badge. Pulling the pin meant that the badge was
removed forever.


I never heard any NYPD person refer to it as anything other than a "shield"

But, that's only because NYPD can't really be compared to
any other police force in the nation. Since NYPD
is a quasi-military force not a police force.

Or as probably the true statement that was ever said about
New York City goes:

Don't worry about looking for the Lost and Found Department
in New York since you're lost in Hell.




vince

What is this "pin" thing called?
 

Joe Osman wrote:

Dale Farmer wrote:

Njord wrote:

Hmm, replying to my own post. But wondering if this has anything to do with
the expression 'to pull the pin'?

"Once you pull the pin, Mister Hand Grenade is no longer your friend. "

-- The sergeant who had the thankless task of instructing me, and a whole
bunch
of other Hospital Corpsmen, on throwing hand grenades to cause injury to the
other side.

--Dale

Have you ever had a human being look so intensely at you as
your hand grenade instructor? I had the feeling that one
flinch and he was out of there, with me as his ladder/blast
shield.

I don't know. The only thing I was looking at was the grenade and the ground
I was walking over.

--Dale

What is this "pin" thing called?
 

On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 04:48:08 GMT, Dale Farmer
wrote:



Njord wrote:

Hmm, replying to my own post. But wondering if this has anything to do with
the expression 'to pull the pin'?

"Once you pull the pin, Mister Hand Grenade is no longer your friend. "

-- The sergeant who had the thankless task of instructing me, and a whole
bunch
of other Hospital Corpsmen, on throwing hand grenades to cause injury to the
other side.

--Dale



From an old, shot-up Marine; Thanks.
Mark E. Williams

What is this "pin" thing called?
 

It's a belaying pin.

Used to fasten rope, etc.., and yes, also as a happenstance club if need be.
Nothing more elegant than swinging a chair in a bar fight really. but it
gets the job done.

What is this "pin" thing called?
 

Mine was from Alabama. The commands we "Chunk 'nade . .. .CHUNK!"
Damn that was a lot of years ago . . ..

What is this "pin" thing called?
 

The belaying pin-system was an early type of quick-release cleating system.
The pins fit into holes in the fife-rail that are called "bung-holes"!




"Christopher Horner" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 01:30:00 -0500, Mike1
wrote:


In old "pirate" movies, you'll sometimes see, during a fight, a man pull
out a special-shaped wooden pin or club and use it as a weapon.
Sometimes he has one or more on him, but often he yanks it from a
mounting bracket on the rail of the ship (where there appear to be many
of things, for, I presume, tying down lines to tack the sails).

Question: Do these pins have a specific name?


If the first pic on this ( http://www.tallshipbounty.org/belay.html ) page
is what you are talking about then, you're thinking of belaying pins, used
either for lashing/belaying running rigging, or motivating the crew.



--
Christopher Horner