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On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 07:46:28 -0400, BAR wrote:
In article , says... On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 20:54:41 -0400, BAR wrote: In article , says... "Wayne B" wrote in message ... On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 10:00:08 -0700, Urin Asshole wrote: Which has nothing to do with the subject at hand, namely that Gore was a driving force behind the internet. Your "experience" has nothing to do with the underlying reasons for the internet's creation and nurturing. === Why do you feel the need to defend Al Gore? The internet grew out of ARPANET and TCP/IP which was a little before Al's time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Internet ---------------------------------------------- Didn't the original concept evolve out of DARPA ? I think that agency was instrumental in funding what became ARPANET. ARPA preceeds DARPA. There was ARPANET and then there was the Internet. All correct. Never said Gore had the original concept. He never claimed to invent the internet. Read up on the actual facts. They're not hard to find, unless you're reading fox news website. The actual facts? I was there in the 80's and early 90's working on TCP/IP bridges and routers and other TCP/IP components. You're an idiot. Nothing about you being "there" has anything to do with the discussion. |
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On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 07:47:18 -0400, BAR wrote:
In article , says... On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 20:55:11 -0400, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 17:27:26 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 10:00:08 -0700, Urin Asshole wrote: Which has nothing to do with the subject at hand, namely that Gore was a driving force behind the internet. Your "experience" has nothing to do with the underlying reasons for the internet's creation and nurturing. === Why do you feel the need to defend Al Gore? The internet grew out of ARPANET and TCP/IP which was a little before Al's time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Internet Not defending anyone. Why do you feel the need to put him down? http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore...ion_technology Because he is a oppourtunist. In what respect? Because he's a capitalist? I thought that was the most important thing in your little existence. My little existence, that is cute. Your tiny brain, that's more accurate. |
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On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 11:52:56 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 11:28:56 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: Which has nothing to do with the subject at hand, namely that Gore was a driving force behind the internet. LOL! Right... You really should actually investigate a subject before making stupid comments. But then again, you are insane and stupid. Gore certainly WAS a driving force behind the internet. Too bad O'Reilly won't tell you the truth, moron. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore...ion_technology Gore was instrumental in passing a law that threw a lot of tax money at the backbone infrastructure that the telcoms were already building. You can easily argue that this was the kick start for broadband and "fast" internet we are now used to, The open question is how long it would have taken the telcoms without this infusion of tax money and whether there was some federal help in getting easements, although most of the fiber followed existing copper paths. Well, gee.. ya think? THe open question... what a load of ****. You insist that Gore had minimual or nothing to do with it, along with your ****forbrains buddies, then when faced with the facts, you weasel by saying, well business could have solved it. THEY DIDN'T. IBM and Comsat were part of that enterprise and we were hearing about it in the TP community before the first foot of fiber was laid. At that time, your best chance for real broadband was leasing space on TV cable hard line but that was short hops and fairly limited capacity. The first time I saw that setup was in Dallas where the education center was on the other side of Rt 124 from the main Dallas office and there was no easy way to get across that road. The cable company offered us what would be called a T1 these days a whole lot cheaper than the RBOC. I am not sure they even had it available in that area at the time.. |
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On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 17:35:46 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 13:40:53 -0700, Urin Asshole wrote: On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 16:06:39 -0400, wrote: I suppose that is true if you think nothing ever happens in this country without massive amounts of government corporate welfare. Some things happen, some don't. In your brain, government is bad, so I guess you don't mind the superhighways and only drive on surface streets. Oh yeah, they're funded by the government in part also. Highways are funded by taxes on that evil gasoline you keep railing on about. That is a case where oil subsidizes government. I wonder how we would fund roads if everyone had a plug in car? Oil isn't the thing subsidizing government. Our taxes are subsidizing the building of roads and subsidizing oil companies that don't need extra money. Yes, you wonder... perhaps you haven't thought about it for more than 30 seconds. |
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On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 19:29:03 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Urin Asshole" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 16:06:39 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 10:55:50 -0700, Urin Asshole wrote: Gore was instrumental in passing a law that threw a lot of tax money at the backbone infrastructure that the telcoms were already building. You can easily argue that this was the kick start for broadband and "fast" internet we are now used to, The open question is how long it would have taken the telcoms without this infusion of tax money and whether there was some federal help in getting easements, although most of the fiber followed existing copper paths. Well, gee.. ya think? THe open question... what a load of ****. I suppose that is true if you think nothing ever happens in this country without massive amounts of government corporate welfare. Some things happen, some don't. In your brain, government is bad, so I guess you don't mind the superhighways and only drive on surface streets. Oh yeah, they're funded by the government in part also. ---------------------------------- And the government is funded by ........? The people of course. According to the right, the government is evil and should be drowned in a tub? So, assuming you're not insane, what's your point with the comment? |
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"Urin Asshole" wrote in message ... On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 19:29:03 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: Some things happen, some don't. In your brain, government is bad, so I guess you don't mind the superhighways and only drive on surface streets. Oh yeah, they're funded by the government in part also. ---------------------------------- And the government is funded by ........? The people of course. According to the right, the government is evil and should be drowned in a tub? So, assuming you're not insane, what's your point with the comment? --------------------------------------------------- Not insane that I know of. But I have a feeling that if I hang around here much longer, I'll be well on my way. Carry on. |
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On Apr 4, 7:46*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Urin Asshole" *wrote in message ... On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 19:29:03 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: Some things happen, some don't. In your brain, government is bad, so I guess you don't mind the superhighways and only drive on surface streets. Oh yeah, they're funded by the government in part also. ---------------------------------- And the government is funded by ........? The people of course. According to the right, the government is evil and should be drowned in a tub? So, assuming you're not insane, what's your point with the comment? --------------------------------------------------- Not insane that I know of. * But I have a feeling that if I hang around here much longer, I'll be well on my way. Carry on. Rich, that's why I only show up sporadically anymore. |
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On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 20:46:49 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Urin Asshole" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 19:29:03 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: Some things happen, some don't. In your brain, government is bad, so I guess you don't mind the superhighways and only drive on surface streets. Oh yeah, they're funded by the government in part also. ---------------------------------- And the government is funded by ........? The people of course. According to the right, the government is evil and should be drowned in a tub? So, assuming you're not insane, what's your point with the comment? --------------------------------------------------- Not insane that I know of. But I have a feeling that if I hang around here much longer, I'll be well on my way. Carry on. Ok.. well, just wondering you were trying to make a point... |
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On Apr 4, 9:02*pm, Wayne B wrote:
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 21:53:35 -0400, wrote: There is more new technology being developed in oil and gas than electric cars. That is how we are getting production from "dead" wells and sources of oil that were not viable 20 years ago. ==== According to my sources we are well on our way (no pun intended) to becoming the Saudia Arabia of natural gas. * As a low cost producer with almost unlimited supplies, it is going to have a profound impact on everything from transportation to "on shoring" of new manufacturing facilities. I'm all for it! A local School District was the first in Illinois to buy a propane-fueled school bus. They're planning on ordering more. The transportation supervisor says it's more economical to run than the diesels they have, and easier to maintain as well. |
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On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 22:02:34 -0400, Wayne B
wrote: On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 21:53:35 -0400, wrote: There is more new technology being developed in oil and gas than electric cars. That is how we are getting production from "dead" wells and sources of oil that were not viable 20 years ago. ==== According to my sources we are well on our way (no pun intended) to becoming the Saudia Arabia of natural gas. As a low cost producer with almost unlimited supplies, it is going to have a profound impact on everything from transportation to "on shoring" of new manufacturing facilities. That's true. I have some issues with fracking, but it might be a problem that can be solved. Yet another reason not to have another oil pipeline. |
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In article , says...
On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 19:29:03 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "Urin Asshole" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 16:06:39 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 10:55:50 -0700, Urin Asshole wrote: Gore was instrumental in passing a law that threw a lot of tax money at the backbone infrastructure that the telcoms were already building. You can easily argue that this was the kick start for broadband and "fast" internet we are now used to, The open question is how long it would have taken the telcoms without this infusion of tax money and whether there was some federal help in getting easements, although most of the fiber followed existing copper paths. Well, gee.. ya think? THe open question... what a load of ****. I suppose that is true if you think nothing ever happens in this country without massive amounts of government corporate welfare. Some things happen, some don't. In your brain, government is bad, so I guess you don't mind the superhighways and only drive on surface streets. Oh yeah, they're funded by the government in part also. ---------------------------------- And the government is funded by ........? The people of course. According to the right, the government is evil and should be drowned in a tub? So, assuming you're not insane, what's your point with the comment? Vesting power in people whose continued existence is keeping that power is inherently evil. |
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On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 20:08:24 -0400, BAR wrote:
In article , says... On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 19:29:03 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "Urin Asshole" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 16:06:39 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 10:55:50 -0700, Urin Asshole wrote: Gore was instrumental in passing a law that threw a lot of tax money at the backbone infrastructure that the telcoms were already building. You can easily argue that this was the kick start for broadband and "fast" internet we are now used to, The open question is how long it would have taken the telcoms without this infusion of tax money and whether there was some federal help in getting easements, although most of the fiber followed existing copper paths. Well, gee.. ya think? THe open question... what a load of ****. I suppose that is true if you think nothing ever happens in this country without massive amounts of government corporate welfare. Some things happen, some don't. In your brain, government is bad, so I guess you don't mind the superhighways and only drive on surface streets. Oh yeah, they're funded by the government in part also. ---------------------------------- And the government is funded by ........? The people of course. According to the right, the government is evil and should be drowned in a tub? So, assuming you're not insane, what's your point with the comment? Vesting power in people whose continued existence is keeping that power is inherently evil. So you don't believe in our representative democracy. I suggest North Korea. Let us know how that turns out. |
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On Sat, 06 Apr 2013 01:09:40 -0400, wrote:
On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 19:09:32 -0700, Urin Asshole wrote: So you don't believe in our representative democracy. Do you think the politicians represent you? How much did you give them last cycle? The one's I voted for, mostly yes. They won also. Maybe you need different ones. |
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In article , says...
On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 11:28:56 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: Which has nothing to do with the subject at hand, namely that Gore was a driving force behind the internet. LOL! Right... You really should actually investigate a subject before making stupid comments. But then again, you are insane and stupid. Gore certainly WAS a driving force behind the internet. Too bad O'Reilly won't tell you the truth, moron. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore...ion_technology Gore was instrumental in passing a law that threw a lot of tax money at the backbone infrastructure that the telcoms were already building. You can easily argue that this was the kick start for broadband and "fast" internet we are now used to, The open question is how long it would have taken the telcoms without this infusion of tax money and whether there was some federal help in getting easements, although most of the fiber followed existing copper paths. IBM and Comsat were part of that enterprise and we were hearing about it in the TP community before the first foot of fiber was laid. At that time, your best chance for real broadband was leasing space on TV cable hard line but that was short hops and fairly limited capacity. The first time I saw that setup was in Dallas where the education center was on the other side of Rt 124 from the main Dallas office and there was no easy way to get across that road. The cable company offered us what would be called a T1 these days a whole lot cheaper than the RBOC. I am not sure they even had it available in that area at the time.. We used small microwave equipment to connumincate between buildings on our campus in the late 80's and early 90's. We could run a T1 thorugh our own equipment. We extended phone, via internal PBX, and TCP/IP between buildings. |
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In article , says...
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 12:12:33 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 4/4/13 11:52 AM, wrote: On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 11:28:56 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: Which has nothing to do with the subject at hand, namely that Gore was a driving force behind the internet. LOL! Right... You really should actually investigate a subject before making stupid comments. But then again, you are insane and stupid. Gore certainly WAS a driving force behind the internet. Too bad O'Reilly won't tell you the truth, moron. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore...ion_technology Gore was instrumental in passing a law that threw a lot of tax money at the backbone infrastructure that the telcoms were already building. You can easily argue that this was the kick start for broadband and "fast" internet we are now used to, The open question is how long it would have taken the telcoms without this infusion of tax money and whether there was some federal help in getting easements, although most of the fiber followed existing copper paths. IBM and Comsat were part of that enterprise and we were hearing about it in the TP community before the first foot of fiber was laid. At that time, your best chance for real broadband was leasing space on TV cable hard line but that was short hops and fairly limited capacity. The first time I saw that setup was in Dallas where the education center was on the other side of Rt 124 from the main Dallas office and there was no easy way to get across that road. The cable company offered us what would be called a T1 these days a whole lot cheaper than the RBOC. I am not sure they even had it available in that area at the time.. No offense intended, but could you fellas find some new topics over which you can split hairs for a few millions posts? This one is boring, and, as I age, I get bored more easily. Thanks... Part of your audience. How about sharing some of your 'special circumstances' for carrying with a round in the chamber. That would be exciting, I'm sure. It makes his Virginia carry permit a little stiffer in his pocket. And, don't read the posts if you find them boring. Do you really believe your cut'n'pastes are exciting? |
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On Sat, 6 Apr 2013 11:37:50 -0400, BAR wrote:
In article , says... On Thursday, April 4, 2013 11:52:56 AM UTC-4, wrote: Gore was instrumental in passing a law that threw a lot of tax money at the backbone infrastructure that the telcoms were already building. You can easily argue that this was the kick start for broadband and "fast" internet we are now used to, The open question is how long it would have taken the telcoms without this infusion of tax money and whether there was some federal help in getting easements, although most of the fiber followed existing copper paths. The company I work for has done business with all of the Class I railroads in the US, some for over 30 years. Way back when, they owned and operated their own microwave backbones that spanned their entire rail networks, some covering 10+ states. With the advent of fiber, they all made deals with the telecoms to allow fiber to be installed in their track right-of-ways. Some negotiated for a certain amount of bandwidth, some for dark fiber. Of course, those microwave backbones are mostly just memories now. Well, I agree with that! You have no backbone. Did you ever have one? |
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