"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
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On 4/1/13 7:21 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
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You're not too bright. I told you *directly* I was not playing your
moronic game. Is that too complex and abstract for you?

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Isn't his persistent question about the same as repeatedly asking
Scott
how his "blackmail" thing is going?


No. Snotty publicly accused me of perpetrating a blackmail against
him,
and he repeated that allegation several times and even said there were
"others" here he informed and they agreed with him. It was personal.
Of
course, he never offered his proof here.

I've offered Herring an answer, and it makes perfect sense. It isn't
the
answer he wants, but it is an answer. There are other reasons why I
wouldn't own a semi-auto pistol without a real safety.

My semi-autos are not kept ready to fire unless I am ready to fire.
That
would be Condition 0, where a bullet is in the chamber, the hammer is
cocked and the safety is off. You can easily achieve Condition 0 with
a
so called "safe action" trigger, which is what Glocks and many other
semi-auto pistols have. There is no safety, so if the slide is racked,
the pistol is ready to fire. No thumb safety.

I also don't keep my pistols in Condition 1, aka "cocked and locked,"
with a bullet in the chamber, a cocked hammer, and the thumb safety
on,
unless I am ready to shoot at the range. Then, all I have to do is
turn
the thumb safety off. Before I do that, I know the gun will not
discharge, period.

You can't do that with a "safe action" trigger. If you have that sort
of
pistol in Condition 1, and there is no safety, a pull on the trigger
will fire the weapon. On a pistol with no safety, there is no real
Condition 1. You're in Condition 0.

Pistols with a "safe action" trigger typically are handled in
Condition
3, in which the chamber is empty, the hammer or firing pin is down,
but
there is a charged magazine in the weapon. That's fairly safe, but you
have to rack the slide to get a round into the chamber.

I have seen two demonstrations at big-time firing ranges where the
range
safety officer has shown how a Glock can be fired without a finger on
the trigger. A "Sharpie" marking pen can fit in the trigger guard, and
press the "safe action" blade in the middle of the trigger and if more
pressure is exerted the back part of the "safe action" blade will
clear,
and the trigger will let the gun fire.

Thus, semi-autos without safeties, like the Glocks, are inherently
less
safe than weapons with a thumb safety.

Here's an interesting web page that shows an accidental discharge on a
semi-auto with no thumb safety:

http://tinyurl.com/brpzttc


It's not difficult to find these articles.

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Good info. I keep the two pistols I have in the "condition 3" mode
in the rare times that I carry. At home I don't even keep a magazine
in them. The only gun I keep "ready to fire" is the S&W 38 Special
revolver and I don't carry that one.

BTW ... referring to another discussion in which I provided a link of
"MA Compliant" guns, there were several Glock models on the list.
They are listed in error. Currently, there are *no* new Glock models
that may be sold to MA residents. The only ones that can be legally
sold are to law enforcement personnel and pre-1998 models which are
grandfathered. The pre-1998 models must have *always* been owned in
MA.

In 2004, Glock released some models that were determined to be MA
compliant by the MA safety agency (had the NY2 trigger "safety").
They were sold for about a month in the state but then the AG's office
determined that they were *not* to be considered MA compliant and
ordered Glock to recall them from dealers. The dealers were also
required to provide a list of people who bought one during that time
frame so they could be contacted to return their gun. Screwed up
state. Here's the letter sent out by Glock:

http://www.gssfonline.com/hot_topics..._commsales.pdf