On Sat, 23 Mar 2013 11:58:22 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 15:03:06 -0400, iBoaterer
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Actually, high school graduation rates aren't all that telling of the
college entrance rate.

What? Are you saying the colleges are so greedy that they are taking
high school dropouts now?
I wonder how much money you have to borrow to complete that course of
education.

I knew there was a good reason to filter Kevin.

That has to be one of the most stupid comments I've seen here.

I'm wondering - if a school has a 35% graduation rate, could it have a 65% college entrance rate?
Kevin must know something most folks don't.


Salmonbait

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'Name-calling'...the liberals' last resort.

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On Sat, 23 Mar 2013 11:58:22 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 15:03:06 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

Actually, high school graduation rates aren't all that telling of the
college entrance rate.

What? Are you saying the colleges are so greedy that they are taking
high school dropouts now?
I wonder how much money you have to borrow to complete that course of
education.

I knew there was a good reason to filter Kevin.

That has to be one of the most stupid comments I've seen here.

I'm wondering - if a school has a 35% graduation rate, could it have a 65% college entrance rate?
Kevin must know something most folks don't.


Salmonbait

You stupid old fool, do you realize that a school's graduation rate has
NOTHING to do with college entrant's rates for MANY reasons? I'd guess
not by your stupid post above. Let me try to get it through your
geriatric, mumified brain. Let's say a particular school's population is
made up of a certain 6 block square area. Are you stupid enough to think
that everyone in that aforementioned 6 block area that goes to college
MUST have graduated from the high school that services that area? No one
could move in, then go to college? No one could drop out of the high
school and enter college? No one could decide on a career change and go
to college? What a moron.

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On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 07:27:03 -0700, "Califbill"
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"Urin Asshole" wrote in message
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On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 20:11:42 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 16:03:21 -0700, Urin Asshole
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On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 16:18:29 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 13:23:16 -0400, iBoaterer
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On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:58:49 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

That is how much the state charges the lucky winner of the
lottery
but
the number of licenses are limited and they become instantly
more
valuable once you own one.
Depending on what county you live in and the demand the sky is
the
limit when you want to buy one.
Typically the state requires you to actually operate under the
license
for a while before you can sell it, to avoid speculators.

Cite?

Which state?

You said Florida.

You can just google this yourself if you want
Try cost liquor license state

I did, and posted the fees for Florida.

You didn't look far enough to see they only issue new licenses every
10 years after each census (if the population actually goes up) and
they are doled out in a lottery. After that it is a seller's market.

The average price for a license is up in 6 figures depending in which
county you are talking about

Only resale maybe. The license costs have already be documented,
you're just trying to slime your way out of being wrong.

That is the only place you can get a license unless you win it in the
once a decade lottery.

Which has nothing to do with getting a license from the state.
Something you're trying to claim you never said. Well, as usual, you
talk in generalities with no justification.

It's like claiming that it costs hundreds of dollars to pay a round of
golf. Well, yeah, if you including buying clubs.

The license is a couple of grand maybe, depending on the type. Then
when you get it you'll have an investment opportunity.

Try making some sense next time.
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Depending on the county in California that couple of grand could be 100
grand. About 45 years ago, friend ran a liquor store in Concord, CA. He
and wife had a great week. Went to Las Vegas and came back with a $1000
more than they left town with after all expenses, and they both entered
the
liquor license lotto. Both got drawn. At that time the lotto was about
$200
to enter and I think the license was about $5000. You had to run the new
store for a year before the license could be transferred to someone else.
At that time a license in Contra Costa County sold for about $100,000,
plus
the store stock. I think there was about a 2% chance of winning in the
lotto. That is the real cost of a license, not the state sold cost,
which
is near impossible to get. San Francisco licenses are actually cheap,
and
you can not transfer out of county. They are issued per number of
residents
and during WW2 SF had a huge population, so lots of licenses were issued.
Much smaller population now, but number of licenses does not decrease.

Nope. Not true. The cost is the Fed, state, and local fees and doesn't
add up to 100K. A few thousand.. that's it. Private sales are
different, but that has nothing to do with getting a license.

I love you're quoting something from 45 years ago... like that has any
relevence.

It's like saying the real cost of getting a license plate sticker
includes the price of the car. Complete bs. You and Gretwel should get
a room.

Well that's pure horse**** that he wrote anyway. In CA every grocery
store sells liquor. No need for liquor stores.


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Grocery stores also have to have an off sale liquor license. So that gets
them in the bidding wars also.

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On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 12:56:43 -0400, iBoaterer
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Look up this thread a ways. I posted an article in the paper that was
complaining that the economy has driven the price down from $400k to a
mere $175k.

http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2011/...y-alcohol-fee/

One county makes up the whole state????

From YOUR cite:

In Florida, the state only gets money from the sale of a quota license
when the license is first issued through the lottery system. The lottery
winner pays a one-time fee of $10,750 in addition to the annual license
cost

I can go to one of the auction sites and see what the other counties
are doing. I bet it is as expensive around Jacksonville, Miami, Tampa
Bay and Orlando tho. You might be able to catch a deal and get one for
$90,000 in Dixie County but I would not bet on it..

What part of "quota" are you having trouble understanding? If you
could just go down to the county clerk and plop down $10,750 and get a
license, why would anyone pay $175,000? (BTW that is exactly the 10X
UA said couldn't happen)
They only release new licenses after a census shows the quota can
rise. That is the lottery I spoke of, typically once every 10 years.

I suspect that as the economy improves, the prices will go up again.

The above is speculation. These are the facts: First of all, you are
only thinking about one type of Florida liquor license, the "quota
license". The second liquor license Florida offers is an SRX, a special
restaurant license that can be applied for year-round if 51 percent or
more of sales at an establishment is food. FURTHERMORE, there are 54
subcategories of licenses based on the type of business you own.

He
http://www.florida-liquorlicense.com/html/faqs.html

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And I bet the SRX is like an On Sale license in Calif. What the bars and
restaurants have. They can sell wine and whiskey by the drink. You can not
buy a bottle to go. Very different than a liquor store license.

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On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 11:18:57 -0700, "Califbill"
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You have never dealt with the welfare poor from what I see. They
knew all the angles. We would hire welfare people to clean up the storage
yard at times. Now these are 4 or 5th generation welfare recipients. Some
would state they would work for free for us for the day if we gave them a
check for say $350 and they would sign it back to us. Gave them enough
income to go back on unemployment for 6 months. We never did, as against
my
principals.

You should have just hired latinos. (the working guys, not the
loafers). They would do a better job.

I do understand that in California you have a lot of people coming
over the border for free stuff but most of the Latinos here in Florida
just come for a job. That is why my wife and I like them


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We were in an area where the Latino's were not really available, and we
always had to watch for INS in out business.

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On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 11:22:10 -0700, "Califbill"
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What happened to the Social Liberal -
Fiscal Conservative? Seems as if both parties are neither.

They are Libertarians


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Not really.

On 3/24/13 12:47 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 23 Mar 2013 11:27:49 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/23/13 11:09 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 12:23:37 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Surely you are not saying that teachers are bereft of "real life
experience."

Yes I am. Most people in academia went to school when they were five
and never left, retiring there sixty years later. It is one of the
worst examples of vertical integration in the world.


You mean, like being a physician?

We're friends with two of my wife's professors from grad school, two
aging ladies in their 80s now who have done more and seen more than you
or I have. For 40 years, they've run a series of orphanages in China and
other countries in that area of the world, mostly for "unwanted" girl
babies and toddlers, and those operations required frequent trips abroad
and sometimes nasty confrontations with the various governments,
including that of Red China. They recently retired as Professors
Emeritus. Oh, they're nuns. How do your real life experiences compare?

Another of my friends, a fellow who sadly recently died, was on the
faculty of a major university in the MidWest and also was deeply
involved in Polish efforts to remove the communist government there, and
in similar anti-dictatorship movements in other parts of the country,
such as El Salvador. He was shot several times and imprisoned twice
aboard. How do your real life experiences compare to my university buddy?

You're just anti-academia.

Those are very unusual educators.

My daughter's father in law agrees with me and he was a professor for
30 years (recently retired) I can give you his name offline, you may
have some mutual acquaintances.
He is the one that told me they do not teach you job skills.



Your sample size was too small to reach any conclusions.

On 3/24/13 12:52 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 23 Mar 2013 12:38:03 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

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On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 12:23:37 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Surely you are not saying that teachers are bereft of "real life
experience."

Yes I am. Most people in academia went to school when they were five
and never left, retiring there sixty years later. It is one of the
worst examples of vertical integration in the world.

Teaching children is somehow less "real life experience" than, say,
being an accountant how?

If what you are telling them in the classroom is not relevant to what
they see when they get their first job, they did not get the benefit
of someone who has actually worked in that field.


That's like telling an advertising copywriter he cannot write good copy
about a feminine hygiene product because he personally doesn't use them.
Of course he can. There's research available, there are women to
interview, et cetera.

What real world experience does a top level professor of theoretical
physics require in order to be a better teacher?

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On Sat, 23 Mar 2013 12:47:25 -0400, iBoaterer
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On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 12:23:37 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Surely you are not saying that teachers are bereft of "real life
experience."

Yes I am. Most people in academia went to school when they were five
and never left, retiring there sixty years later. It is one of the
worst examples of vertical integration in the world.

Hmm, Architects, engineers, medical professionals, etc. must not have
any real world experience either, because they themselves are required
to take continuing education, plus they are teaching because anyone
going into a profession like the above needs to be taught by the
supervising architects or engineers in order for them to obtain a
license. But then again, according to you, all anyone needs is a CAD
program and then engineering happens magically.

That has nothing to do with what we are talking about
I have to do CEUs
I sit with architects in some of the classes.
They are generally taught by road warriors who come from the trade and
live the codes they are teaching, not some college professor.

I'd use that CAD program that does all of the engineering for you!!
Again, you've failed to grasp my post. Let's take that architect. Now,
they don't know diddly about engineering. They have to be able to design
a simple span beam, and they get to use the AISC manual to do it! They
didn't learn how to do that in the real world they learned it in class.
BUT, it will help them in the real world because before the engineern
designs all of the members with his CAD program snerk, the architect
can at least get a beam size close so that he can develop his details.
AND he's a teacher, having interns working under him. Same with
engineers and EIT's. Same with doctors and interns.

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On Sat, 23 Mar 2013 12:47:46 -0400, iBoaterer
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On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 11:11:23 -0700, Urin Asshole
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Nope. Not true. The cost is the Fed, state, and local fees and doesn't
add up to 100K. A few thousand.. that's it. Private sales are
different, but that has nothing to do with getting a license.

They have a quota on those licenses and they are mostly sold in the
private markets. I have already pointed out that occasionally the
state ups the quota and you can get in the lottery for one but that is
literally a crap shoot.

http://www.florida-liquorlicense.com/html/faqs.html

Do you actually read these links

"HOW CAN I OBTAIN A LICENSE TO SELL ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES?
A retail liquor license for use in a package store, bar, or small
restaurant must be purchased from a present quota license owner."

What part of "must be purchased from a present quota license owner."
is hard to understand.

Holy ****!!!!! Did you even SEE the other *54* WAYS to obtain one?