"Wayne B" wrote:


Tim, I'm pleased to report that "our" alternator is performing
flawlessly so far.
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Just curious, which L/N do you have?

Lew

On Feb 2, 10:52*pm, "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
"Wayne B" wrote:
Tim, I'm pleased to report that "our" alternator is performing
flawlessly so far.

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Just curious, which L/N do you have?

Lew

Lew, Wayne's is a modified LN 4900 320 a. 12v

http://storesense1.mysuperpageshosti...ail.bok?no=505

BTW, I always enjoy reading online stores propaganda..

"Tim" wrote:

"Lew Hodgett" wrote:
Just curious, which L/N do you have?
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Lew, Wayne's is a modified LN 4900 320 a. 12v

http://storesense1.mysuperpageshosti...ail.bok?no=505

BTW, I always enjoy reading online stores propaganda..
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Looks like the update for the 4800/4805 which was the
great-great-great-grandson of the early 200A units I helped design.

My guess is this 4900 would lock up most of the sailboat auxiliaries
in service. G

Just not enough horses.

Takes a tad of torque to turn that puppy over.

Lew

On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 07:36:53 -0800, "Lew Hodgett"
wrote:


"Tim" wrote:

"Lew Hodgett" wrote:
Just curious, which L/N do you have?
--------------------------------------------------
Lew, Wayne's is a modified LN 4900 320 a. 12v

http://storesense1.mysuperpageshosti...ail.bok?no=505

BTW, I always enjoy reading online stores propaganda..
---------------------------------------------------------
Looks like the update for the 4800/4805 which was the
great-great-great-grandson of the early 200A units I helped design.

My guess is this 4900 would lock up most of the sailboat auxiliaries
in service. G

Just not enough horses.

Takes a tad of torque to turn that puppy over.


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Enough to make a Detroit 6-71 grunt for a split second when you switch
on the big house bank. :-)

I think you could drive one with a 40 or 50 horse aux if you had some
sort of "soft start" regulator arrangement. The key is to have double
or triple drive belts which most small engines are not equipped for.
Another issue is the alternator mount and adjusting arm, both of which
need to be quite rugged.

On Sat, 2 Feb 2013 20:52:47 -0800, "Lew Hodgett"
wrote:


"Wayne B" wrote:


Tim, I'm pleased to report that "our" alternator is performing
flawlessly so far.
------------------------------------
Just curious, which L/N do you have?

Lew



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I believe it is this one if my memory is correct:

http://www.prestolite.com/pgs_products/specs.php?item_detail_id=951&item=A0014867JB&produ ct=Alternator

It turns out that you can buy them on EBAY for halfway reasonable
prices (search for Leece-Neville 270 amp).

It was an interesting project which required a few iterations to get
it right. Knocking on wood, it seems to be doing well. The idea was
to be able to generate enough DC amps that I could drive a 2KW
inverter while underway and eliminate the need for running the
generator in most circumstances (the exception being air
conditioning).

Here's my original posting on this effort:

Those of you who followed along with the updates from our Caribbean
cruise earlier this year (2010), may remember that we experienced some
alternator issues along the way. This was disappointing for a number
of reasons because we had already spent a fair amount of time, effort
and boat bucks trying to find a high output alternator that was also
durable.

Our goal is to not run the generator at all when under way, and to
minimize generator time when anchored. The potential savings on
generator fuel and maintenance add up to a big number. To that end
we've installed a 2,000 watt inverter and a bank of 8 golf cart
batteries with a total capacity of about 1,000 amp-hours.

The inverter and battery bank work well together but the batteries
eventually need to be recharged, and when underway, the alternator
needs to supply inverter amps, recharge amps and onboard house loads
like navigation equipment, lights, auto pilot, engine room blowers,
etc. Peak alternator loads can easily approach 250 amps and average
well over half of that.

To make a long story short, no automotive alternator that we've tried
has been capable of these loads over a long period of time, even those
that have been beefed up with heavy duty components. We burned out a
total of 4 over the course of 6 months in the islands. Repair and
replacement was problematic to say the least.

After consulting with Tim, our cheerful, ever helpful, resident
alternator expert on "rec.boats", and a number of other sources, I
decided that a fresh approach was needed. Enter a company called
Leece-Neville, a division of Prestolite, that has been making heavy
duty alternators for a long time. LNs are used all over the world on
fire trucks, ambulances, busses, big trucks, heavy duty construction
machinery, etc. Their big alternators make everything else look like
a toy, weigh over 35 pounds and are priced accordingly. Many of the
really big ones are north of $2K at full retail. Thanks to the
internet and EBAY however, they are now becoming available at more
reasonable prices. I was recently able to buy a unit that had been
remanufactured to like new condition for about $400, a bargain
compared to some of our previous repair/replace experiences. It is
rated at 270 amps continuously at high temperatures, and is designed
for fire trucks, ambulances and busses.

http://www.prestolite.com/pgs_products/specs.php?item_detail_id=951&item=A0014867JB&produ ct=ALTERNATOR

There are some downside issues however: It is designed for a so
called J180 mounting bracket; requires multiple drive belts since it
can use as much as 6 or 7 horsepower; and is not ignition protected
for gasoline engines.

Ignition protection is not an issue for our diesels, and fortunately
the front pulley on a Detroit 6-71 can accomodate up to three belts.
The mounting bracket was problematic however since the existing mount
was for a Delco 2 inch foot. In exchange for a sizable boat buck
fraction, a local machine shop fabricated a custom made J180 bracket
from 1/2 inch cold rolled steel. In combination with some Grade 8
steel mounting hardware and a new adjusting arm, everything is now
solidly attached, lined up and looking good with 3 brand new Gates
Green Stripe belts installed. In testing it has put out well over 200
amps while maintaining reasonable temperatures.

Stay tuned for the long term durability reports... :-)

New alternator and bracket prior to installation with a beverage can
for size reference:

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/3557/preinstallwithnewbracke.jpg

After installation, with new HD belts and adjusting arm. The black
detritus in the background is left over from the many previous
alternators and belts which gave up their lives in that spot:

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/1462/installedimg0573.jpg


Notes:

1. The washer stack shown in the pictures has been replaced by a
solid steel spacer.

2. It turns out that the 1,000+ amp hour battery bank looks more or
less like a dead short to the alternator and the resulting load is
capable of burning out even a 270 amp heavy duty unit. This could
have probably been remedied by installing an external "smart"
regulator but it was more expedient to use a 12 ft length of #4 cable
as a controlled resistance in series with the house bank.

3. We have now logged about 400 hours of underway operation with
this configuration and it seems to be working well.