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U.S. Ranks Below 16 Other Rich Countries In Health Report It's no news that the U.S. has lower life expectancy and higher infant mortality than most high-income countries. But a magisterial new report says Americans are actually less healthy across their entire life spans than citizens of 16 other wealthy nations. And the gap is steadily widening. "What struck us — and it was quite sobering — was the recurring trend in which the U.S. seems to be slipping behind other high-income countries," the lead author of the report, Dr. Steven Woolf, tells Shots. He says Americans of all ages up to 75 have shorter lives and more illness and injury. *****Strikingly, even Americans who are white, insured, college-educated and upper-income are worse off than their counterparts around the world — a finding that no one quite understands.***** "People with seemingly everything going for them still live shorter lives and have higher disease rates than people in other countries," Woolf says. The 378-page report was completed under the auspices of the National Research Council, an arm of the National Academy of Sciences. It grew out of an effort last year that concluded the U.S. has a large and widening "mortality gap" among adults over 50 compared with other high-income nations. The new report focuses on the other part of the population, Americans under 50. Two-thirds of the difference in male life expectancy between the U.S. and other countries is due to deaths in that under-50 age category, and one-third of the gap is due to deaths among women under 50. The report also finds that the U.S. fares worse in nine health domains: birth outcomes, injuries and homicides, teen pregnancies and sexually transmitted infections, HIV/AIDS, drug-related mortality, obesity and diabetes, heart disease, chronic lung disease, and disability. Areas in which the U.S. is not behind other wealthy countries are cancer screening and mortality, control of high blood pressure and cholesterol, smoking rates, and suicides. The panel concludes that part of the nation's poor ranking can be attributed to problems with its $2.6 trillion-a-year health care system (the world's most expensive by far). Those problems include the 50 million Americans without health insurance, fewer doctors per capita, less access to primary care and fragmented management of complex chronic diseases. But the new report places more stress on nonmedical shortcomings. Many people might be surprised to learn, for instance, that for more than half the males who die before age 50, the cause of death has nothing to do with disease — and is therefore not amenable to reduction through medical care. Those causes include murder (19 percent of deaths in males under 50), traffic accidents (18 percent), other accidents (16 percent) and suicide (4 percent). Only 35 percent are disease-related, and 7 percent are other causes. Among U.S. women under 50, the picture is different — 53 percent of deaths are disease-related, 38 percent are due to accidents, homicides and suicide, and 9 percent are listed as "other." Guns have a lot to do with the homicide and accidental deaths. The report notes that murder rates involving guns are 20 times higher in the U.S. than in 22 other rich countries. "Clearly we need to do something about violence and firearm-related homicides if we're going to close the gap," Woolf says. "It's a major contributor to the loss of years of life in our country among young people." Much of the poor health outcomes and premature mortality is due to other nonmedical causes — such as behavioral choices like drug and alcohol abuse, a built environment that favors auto travel at the expense of exercise, and dietary habits. Americans consume nearly 4,000 calories a day on average — more than anyone else in the world. "That wasn't always the case," Woolf says. "But over the past 20 years, the consumption of high-calorie foods and refined sugars and other dietary causes of obesity has increased dramatically in the United States in comparison to these other countries." Many reports of this ilk serve as doorstops or dust-catchers, but Dr. David Kindig, a population health specialist at the University of Wisconsin, Madison, says this one shouldn't be ignored. "It's not like we haven't known some of this yet, but it hasn't penetrated — how serious it is," Kindig says. "I hope that [the report] would be a wake-up call, almost like Sputnik. You know, let's get going on this over the next decade." Kindig says some clues about what to do come from a state-by-state analysis of U.S. health disparities that he and his colleagues do every year. "Some of the healthiest states — say, like Minnesota — actually spend less on health care," Kindig says. "And presumably that allows them to spend more on some of the other determinants of health." Education is one of those determinants. Kindig says it would be a mistake to cut spending on schools since education and health are tightly linked — and cuts there will just show up later in poorer health. Woolf, the panel chairman, says the nation's problems may be deeply rooted in Americans' love of personal choice and aversion to government regulation of health and safety. That won't be easy to change. "It is a difficult one to tackle," Woolf acknowledges. "But we need to have a national discussion about whether we do or don't. We're living shorter lives and we're living sicker because of something we're doing in this country." Woolf says Americans need to decide if they're OK with that — or are prepared to make different choices. http://tinyurl.com/bdleyxn |
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On 1/15/2013 12:18 PM, ESAD wrote:
What for? You aren't a doctor. Take your perverted sex fantasies elsewhere. |
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On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 12:18:49 -0500, ESAD wrote:
U.S. Ranks Below 16 Other Rich Countries In Health Report It's no news that the U.S. has lower life expectancy and higher infant mortality than most high-income countries. But a magisterial new report says Americans are actually less healthy across their entire life spans than citizens of 16 other wealthy nations. http://tinyurl.com/bdleyxn I wonder how many of those other 'high income' countries have the illegal immigrant population and downtown ghettos that our beloved Democrats have and are creating. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling'...the liberals' answer to a lost argument! |
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On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 12:18:49 -0500, ESAD wrote: U.S. Ranks Below 16 Other Rich Countries In Health Report It's no news that the U.S. has lower life expectancy and higher infant mortality than most high-income countries. But a magisterial new report says Americans are actually less healthy across their entire life spans than citizens of 16 other wealthy nations. And the gap is steadily widening. "What struck us — and it was quite sobering — was the recurring trend in which the U.S. seems to be slipping behind other high-income countries," the lead author of the report, Dr. Steven Woolf, tells Shots. He says Americans of all ages up to 75 have shorter lives and more illness and injury. *****Strikingly, even Americans who are white, insured, college-educated and upper-income are worse off than their counterparts around the world — a finding that no one quite understands.***** "People with seemingly everything going for them still live shorter lives and have higher disease rates than people in other countries," Woolf says. The 378-page report was completed under the auspices of the National Research Council, an arm of the National Academy of Sciences. It grew out of an effort last year that concluded the U.S. has a large and widening "mortality gap" among adults over 50 compared with other high-income nations. The new report focuses on the other part of the population, Americans under 50. Two-thirds of the difference in male life expectancy between the U.S. and other countries is due to deaths in that under-50 age category, and one-third of the gap is due to deaths among women under 50. The report also finds that the U.S. fares worse in nine health domains: birth outcomes, injuries and homicides, teen pregnancies and sexually transmitted infections, HIV/AIDS, drug-related mortality, obesity and diabetes, heart disease, chronic lung disease, and disability. Areas in which the U.S. is not behind other wealthy countries are cancer screening and mortality, control of high blood pressure and cholesterol, smoking rates, and suicides. The panel concludes that part of the nation's poor ranking can be attributed to problems with its $2.6 trillion-a-year health care system (the world's most expensive by far). Those problems include the 50 million Americans without health insurance, fewer doctors per capita, less access to primary care and fragmented management of complex chronic diseases. But the new report places more stress on nonmedical shortcomings. Many people might be surprised to learn, for instance, that for more than half the males who die before age 50, the cause of death has nothing to do with disease — and is therefore not amenable to reduction through medical care. Those causes include murder (19 percent of deaths in males under 50), traffic accidents (18 percent), other accidents (16 percent) and suicide (4 percent). Only 35 percent are disease-related, and 7 percent are other causes. Among U.S. women under 50, the picture is different — 53 percent of deaths are disease-related, 38 percent are due to accidents, homicides and suicide, and 9 percent are listed as "other." Guns have a lot to do with the homicide and accidental deaths. The report notes that murder rates involving guns are 20 times higher in the U.S. than in 22 other rich countries. "Clearly we need to do something about violence and firearm-related homicides if we're going to close the gap," Woolf says. "It's a major contributor to the loss of years of life in our country among young people." Much of the poor health outcomes and premature mortality is due to other nonmedical causes — such as behavioral choices like drug and alcohol abuse, a built environment that favors auto travel at the expense of exercise, and dietary habits. Americans consume nearly 4,000 calories a day on average — more than anyone else in the world. "That wasn't always the case," Woolf says. "But over the past 20 years, the consumption of high-calorie foods and refined sugars and other dietary causes of obesity has increased dramatically in the United States in comparison to these other countries." Many reports of this ilk serve as doorstops or dust-catchers, but Dr. David Kindig, a population health specialist at the University of Wisconsin, Madison, says this one shouldn't be ignored. "It's not like we haven't known some of this yet, but it hasn't penetrated — how serious it is," Kindig says. "I hope that [the report] would be a wake-up call, almost like Sputnik. You know, let's get going on this over the next decade." Kindig says some clues about what to do come from a state-by-state analysis of U.S. health disparities that he and his colleagues do every year. "Some of the healthiest states — say, like Minnesota — actually spend less on health care," Kindig says. "And presumably that allows them to spend more on some of the other determinants of health." Education is one of those determinants. Kindig says it would be a mistake to cut spending on schools since education and health are tightly linked — and cuts there will just show up later in poorer health. Woolf, the panel chairman, says the nation's problems may be deeply rooted in Americans' love of personal choice and aversion to government regulation of health and safety. That won't be easy to change. "It is a difficult one to tackle," Woolf acknowledges. "But we need to have a national discussion about whether we do or don't. We're living shorter lives and we're living sicker because of something we're doing in this country." Woolf says Americans need to decide if they're OK with that — or are prepared to make different choices. http://tinyurl.com/bdleyxn There are a lot of random facts there and some opinion without making the obvious conclusion "we ain't like anyone else" They talk about white educated people and then bring up gun deaths, not really related. Poor people of color are usually the gun victims. Drug deaths and violence is really concentrated in cultures that are out of the US main stream. Our drug policy is a cluster**** that causes more death directly and indirectly than anything you see anywhere in Europe. We also have a serious problem with unwed teen pregnancy that neither side has a good way of dealing with. The right blocks any meaningful birth control and abortion policies and the left rewards people for having more babies. Nobody would like my answer. The obesity problem is a very valid concern but that is across the board. We have the fattest "poor" people on the planet. Accidents are another valid difference. If you give an American a dangerous sport or toy, they will find a way to make it far more dangerous. (Hot dog skiing, Motocross and even extreme skateboarding) I am just waiting to see what they do with the water powered jet pack. Although other countries have fast cars, they don't seem to have the market penetration we have here. We also have a lot more trucks (SUVs etc) Even with all the efforts of MADD and the cops, driving them drunk seems to still be more prevalent than it is in most European countries. I am not sure why but we just don't seem to want to live forever. We also have about 50 million Americans without health insurance and without access to decent physical health care, dental care, and prescriptions. You think that plays a role? We have even worse access to mental health care for those who need it. Most other modern Western countries and even some countries far less well off than we are guarantee access to decent health care to their people. We think insurance company profits are more important than the health of our people. |
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On 1/15/13 4:50 PM, Tim wrote:
Bend over and cough? I thought the phrase was 'Turn your head and cough?' Harry, are you sure you've had a physical lately I'm sort of recalling a phrase from our junior high pre-gym physicals, in which the doc called in for the day said something like "bend over and cough." Or maybe turn your head and cough. It isn't my best memory from more than 50 years ago. :) |
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On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 16:58:40 -0500, ESAD wrote: I'm sort of recalling a phrase from our junior high pre-gym physicals, in which the doc called in for the day said something like "bend over and cough." Or maybe turn your head and cough. It isn't my best memory from more than 50 years ago. :) Coach Sandusky? ;-) There were suspicions... 😄 |
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In article 6720f309-41e1-4e93-8cde-1d0390020874
@w3g2000yqj.googlegroups.com, says... Bend over and cough? I thought the phrase was 'Turn your head and cough?' Harry, are you sure you've had a physical lately Apparently not one that he enjoyed! |
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says... On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 16:14:26 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 13:36:49 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: Ghettos are exclusive to Democrats?? You are nothing short of a narrow minded idiot!!! Ghettos are a product of the war on poverty. They dumped huge amounts of money in the inner cities and people moved toward that money. We ended up with a massive pool of unskilled labor in a place with very little market for it. (except in the criminal enterprises) They would have done a lot better to spread the money evenly across the country and letting the poor people disperse or simply get aid where they were. In that regard, democrats have certainly benefitted from, the concentrations of welfare recipients in the big cities. Virtually all of them are governed by democratic legislatures. Are you SERIOUS????? There weren't ghettos before this war on poverty?????? Find one cite that says the concentration of poor people in inner cities was greater before the late 60s than it is now. You didn't say that, you said "Ghettos are a product of the war on poverty". That's pure bull****. But even before that, I asked "ghettos are exclusive to Democrats?" Is there a ghetto with a republican representative? Historically YES. Now, please give cite that the ghettos are a direct product of the "war on poverty"...... Before the 60s, these areas were home to the working poor, now there are far more unemployed people than employed people (at least people working on a W-2 job) Please give cite. http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/ghetto.aspx |
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On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 16:47:49 -0500, ESAD wrote:
On 1/15/13 2:53 PM, wrote: On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 13:36:49 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: Ghettos are exclusive to Democrats?? You are nothing short of a narrow minded idiot!!! Ghettos are a product of the war on poverty. They dumped huge amounts of money in the inner cities and people moved toward that money. We ended up with a massive pool of unskilled labor in a place with very little market for it. (except in the criminal enterprises) They would have done a lot better to spread the money evenly across the country and letting the poor people disperse or simply get aid where they were. In that regard, democrats have certainly benefitted from, the concentrations of welfare recipients in the big cities. Virtually all of them are governed by democratic legislatures. The ghettos in this country existed long before the war on poverty, and most of the people who you are targeting weren't allowed to live elsewhere or get training for decent jobs. Perhaps the big cities would have more disparity of governing if the Republicans weren't such racists. How long have the corrupt Democrats been running the ghettos, ESAD? Detroit has not had a Republican mayor for over 40 years - yet you blame the problem on Republicans? Here, try this: http://tinyurl.com/o42at Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling'...the liberals' answer to a lost argument! |
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On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 09:40:45 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 16:47:49 -0500, ESAD wrote: The ghettos in this country existed long before the war on poverty, and most of the people who you are targeting weren't allowed to live elsewhere or get training for decent jobs. What percentage of the people in DC were below the poverty level in 1964 and what is that percentage now? What does that have to do with your assertion there ghettos are a result of affirmative action? Here, this should answer your questions regarding the continuance of ghettos: The Democrats have contributed greatly to the poor - by keeping them poor. Interesting........ City, State, % of People Below the Poverty Level 1. Detroit, MI 32.5% 2. Buffalo, NY 29..9% 3. Cincinnati, OH 27.8% 4. Cleveland, OH 27.0% 5. Miami, FL 26.9% 5. St. Louis, MO 26.8% 7. El Paso, TX 26.4% 8. Milwaukee, WI 26.2% 9. Philadelphia, PA 25.1% 10. Newark, NJ 24.2% U.S. Census Bureau, 2006 American Community Survey, August 2007 What do the top ten cities (over 250,000) with the highest poverty rate all have in common? Democrat mayors. Detroit, MI (1st on the poverty rate list) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1961; Buffalo, NY (2nd) hasn't elected one since 1954; Cincinnati, OH (3rd)...since 1984; Cleveland, OH (4th)...since 1989; Miami, FL (5th) has never had a Republican mayor; St. Louis, MO (6th)....since 1949; El Paso, TX (7th) has never had a Republican mayor; Milwaukee, WI (8th)...since 1908; Philadelphia, PA (9th)...since 1952; Newark, NJ (10th)...since 1907. Einstein once said, 'The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.' Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling'...the liberals' answer to a lost argument! |
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On 1/16/13 10:32 AM, Salmonbait wrote:
Detroit has not had a Republican mayor for over 40 years - yet you blame the problem on Republicans? Salmonbait The fact that you keep repeating the same bull**** doesn't make it correct or smell better. |
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On 1/16/2013 10:32 AM, Salmonbait wrote:
Perhaps the big cities would have more disparity of governing if the Republicans weren't such racists. Your statement is bogus, as it is built on the false narrative that republicans are racist, when so obviously it's the democrats who are intolerant and racist... How long have the corrupt Democrats been running the ghettos, ESAD? Detroit has not had a Republican mayor for over 40 years - yet you blame the problem on Republicans? Here, try this: http://tinyurl.com/o42at Salmonbait His question was invalid. |
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On 1/16/13 10:46 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 1/16/2013 10:32 AM, Salmonbait wrote: Perhaps the big cities would have more disparity of governing if the Republicans weren't such racists. Your statement is bogus, as it is built on the false narrative that republicans are racist, when so obviously it's the democrats who are intolerant and racist... Moron. |
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On 1/16/2013 11:09 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 09:40:45 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 16:47:49 -0500, ESAD wrote: The ghettos in this country existed long before the war on poverty, and most of the people who you are targeting weren't allowed to live elsewhere or get training for decent jobs. What percentage of the people in DC were below the poverty level in 1964 and what is that percentage now? What does that have to do with your assertion there ghettos are a result of affirmative action? Who ever said affirmative action? He did... He's developing his next straw man... |
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On 1/16/2013 11:09 AM, wrote: On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 09:40:45 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 16:47:49 -0500, ESAD wrote: The ghettos in this country existed long before the war on poverty, and most of the people who you are targeting weren't allowed to live elsewhere or get training for decent jobs. What percentage of the people in DC were below the poverty level in 1964 and what is that percentage now? What does that have to do with your assertion there ghettos are a result of affirmative action? Who ever said affirmative action? He did... He's developing his next straw man... You stupid little twit, do you have anything of any consequence to add or what? Oh, wait, I'm talking to someone who not only is insane, he's stupid to boot. |
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says... On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 16:47:49 -0500, ESAD wrote: On 1/15/13 2:53 PM, wrote: On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 13:36:49 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: Ghettos are exclusive to Democrats?? You are nothing short of a narrow minded idiot!!! Ghettos are a product of the war on poverty. They dumped huge amounts of money in the inner cities and people moved toward that money. We ended up with a massive pool of unskilled labor in a place with very little market for it. (except in the criminal enterprises) They would have done a lot better to spread the money evenly across the country and letting the poor people disperse or simply get aid where they were. In that regard, democrats have certainly benefitted from, the concentrations of welfare recipients in the big cities. Virtually all of them are governed by democratic legislatures. The ghettos in this country existed long before the war on poverty, and most of the people who you are targeting weren't allowed to live elsewhere or get training for decent jobs. Perhaps the big cities would have more disparity of governing if the Republicans weren't such racists. How long have the corrupt Democrats been running the ghettos, ESAD? Detroit has not had a Republican mayor for over 40 years - yet you blame the problem on Republicans? So..... were there no ghettos in Detroit 40 years ago? |
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On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 12:08:46 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 09:40:45 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 16:47:49 -0500, ESAD wrote: The ghettos in this country existed long before the war on poverty, and most of the people who you are targeting weren't allowed to live elsewhere or get training for decent jobs. What percentage of the people in DC were below the poverty level in 1964 and what is that percentage now? What does that have to do with your assertion there ghettos are a result of affirmative action? Here, this should answer your questions regarding the continuance of ghettos: The Democrats have contributed greatly to the poor - by keeping them poor. Interesting........ City, State, % of People Below the Poverty Level 1. Detroit, MI 32.5% 2. Buffalo, NY 29..9% 3. Cincinnati, OH 27.8% 4. Cleveland, OH 27.0% 5. Miami, FL 26.9% 5. St. Louis, MO 26.8% 7. El Paso, TX 26.4% 8. Milwaukee, WI 26.2% 9. Philadelphia, PA 25.1% 10. Newark, NJ 24.2% U.S. Census Bureau, 2006 American Community Survey, August 2007 What do the top ten cities (over 250,000) with the highest poverty rate all have in common? Democrat mayors. Detroit, MI (1st on the poverty rate list) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1961; Buffalo, NY (2nd) hasn't elected one since 1954; Cincinnati, OH (3rd)...since 1984; Cleveland, OH (4th)...since 1989; Miami, FL (5th) has never had a Republican mayor; St. Louis, MO (6th)....since 1949; El Paso, TX (7th) has never had a Republican mayor; Milwaukee, WI (8th)...since 1908; Philadelphia, PA (9th)...since 1952; Newark, NJ (10th)...since 1907. Einstein once said, 'The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.' Salmonbait Man you are stupid. I'll try ONE MORE TIME.... Please show where "ghettos are a product of affirmative action?" Ghettos have been a part of the U.S. for ever. Did I say "ghettos are a product of affirmative action?" I'll let you decide. http://tinyurl.com/o42at Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling'...the liberals' answer to a lost argument! |
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says... On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 12:08:46 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 09:40:45 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 16:47:49 -0500, ESAD wrote: The ghettos in this country existed long before the war on poverty, and most of the people who you are targeting weren't allowed to live elsewhere or get training for decent jobs. What percentage of the people in DC were below the poverty level in 1964 and what is that percentage now? What does that have to do with your assertion there ghettos are a result of affirmative action? Here, this should answer your questions regarding the continuance of ghettos: The Democrats have contributed greatly to the poor - by keeping them poor. Interesting........ City, State, % of People Below the Poverty Level 1. Detroit, MI 32.5% 2. Buffalo, NY 29..9% 3. Cincinnati, OH 27.8% 4. Cleveland, OH 27.0% 5. Miami, FL 26.9% 5. St. Louis, MO 26.8% 7. El Paso, TX 26.4% 8. Milwaukee, WI 26.2% 9. Philadelphia, PA 25.1% 10. Newark, NJ 24.2% U.S. Census Bureau, 2006 American Community Survey, August 2007 What do the top ten cities (over 250,000) with the highest poverty rate all have in common? Democrat mayors. Detroit, MI (1st on the poverty rate list) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1961; Buffalo, NY (2nd) hasn't elected one since 1954; Cincinnati, OH (3rd)...since 1984; Cleveland, OH (4th)...since 1989; Miami, FL (5th) has never had a Republican mayor; St. Louis, MO (6th)....since 1949; El Paso, TX (7th) has never had a Republican mayor; Milwaukee, WI (8th)...since 1908; Philadelphia, PA (9th)...since 1952; Newark, NJ (10th)...since 1907. Einstein once said, 'The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.' Salmonbait Man you are stupid. I'll try ONE MORE TIME.... Please show where "ghettos are a product of affirmative action?" Ghettos have been a part of the U.S. for ever. Did I say "ghettos are a product of affirmative action?" I'll let you decide. http://tinyurl.com/o42at Salmonbait THAT is what this discussion is about, moron!!!! Plus, you answered MY question which was "What does that have to do with your assertion there ghettos are a result of affirmative action?" Please, I know you are narrow minded and unable to think outside of what FOX tells you, but try to keep up if you are going to interject. |
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On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 16:12:57 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 12:08:46 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 09:40:45 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 16:47:49 -0500, ESAD wrote: The ghettos in this country existed long before the war on poverty, and most of the people who you are targeting weren't allowed to live elsewhere or get training for decent jobs. What percentage of the people in DC were below the poverty level in 1964 and what is that percentage now? What does that have to do with your assertion there ghettos are a result of affirmative action? Here, this should answer your questions regarding the continuance of ghettos: The Democrats have contributed greatly to the poor - by keeping them poor. Interesting........ City, State, % of People Below the Poverty Level 1. Detroit, MI 32.5% 2. Buffalo, NY 29..9% 3. Cincinnati, OH 27.8% 4. Cleveland, OH 27.0% 5. Miami, FL 26.9% 5. St. Louis, MO 26.8% 7. El Paso, TX 26.4% 8. Milwaukee, WI 26.2% 9. Philadelphia, PA 25.1% 10. Newark, NJ 24.2% U.S. Census Bureau, 2006 American Community Survey, August 2007 What do the top ten cities (over 250,000) with the highest poverty rate all have in common? Democrat mayors. Detroit, MI (1st on the poverty rate list) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1961; Buffalo, NY (2nd) hasn't elected one since 1954; Cincinnati, OH (3rd)...since 1984; Cleveland, OH (4th)...since 1989; Miami, FL (5th) has never had a Republican mayor; St. Louis, MO (6th)....since 1949; El Paso, TX (7th) has never had a Republican mayor; Milwaukee, WI (8th)...since 1908; Philadelphia, PA (9th)...since 1952; Newark, NJ (10th)...since 1907. Einstein once said, 'The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.' Salmonbait Man you are stupid. I'll try ONE MORE TIME.... Please show where "ghettos are a product of affirmative action?" Ghettos have been a part of the U.S. for ever. Did I say "ghettos are a product of affirmative action?" I'll let you decide. http://tinyurl.com/o42at Salmonbait THAT is what this discussion is about, moron!!!! Plus, you answered MY question which was "What does that have to do with your assertion there ghettos are a result of affirmative action?" Please, I know you are narrow minded and unable to think outside of what FOX tells you, but try to keep up if you are going to interject. I never mentioned affirmative action, nor was that the subject of this discussion. Jeees, it must be really dark up there. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling'...the liberals' answer to a lost argument! |
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On 1/16/13 5:06 PM, Salmonbait wrote:
Jeees, it must be really dark up there. "Dark." Is that another code word you use to express your hatred towards non-whites? |
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On 1/16/13 5:24 PM, Salmonbait wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 17:09:34 -0500, ESAD wrote: On 1/16/13 5:06 PM, Salmonbait wrote: Jeees, it must be really dark up there. "Dark." Is that another code word you use to express your hatred towards non-whites? Actually it had to do with the absence of light in a portion of one's digestive tract. More likely, it had to do with your black soul. You have followed your party from right-wing conservatism to bat**** crazy right wing anti-American racism. You seem to be on the verge of full-blown dementia. |
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... In article , says... On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 12:08:46 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 09:40:45 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 16:47:49 -0500, ESAD wrote: The ghettos in this country existed long before the war on poverty, and most of the people who you are targeting weren't allowed to live elsewhere or get training for decent jobs. What percentage of the people in DC were below the poverty level in 1964 and what is that percentage now? What does that have to do with your assertion there ghettos are a result of affirmative action? Here, this should answer your questions regarding the continuance of ghettos: The Democrats have contributed greatly to the poor - by keeping them poor. Interesting........ City, State, % of People Below the Poverty Level 1. Detroit, MI 32.5% 2. Buffalo, NY 29..9% 3. Cincinnati, OH 27.8% 4. Cleveland, OH 27.0% 5. Miami, FL 26.9% 5. St. Louis, MO 26.8% 7. El Paso, TX 26.4% 8. Milwaukee, WI 26.2% 9. Philadelphia, PA 25.1% 10. Newark, NJ 24.2% U.S. Census Bureau, 2006 American Community Survey, August 2007 What do the top ten cities (over 250,000) with the highest poverty rate all have in common? Democrat mayors. Detroit, MI (1st on the poverty rate list) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1961; Buffalo, NY (2nd) hasn't elected one since 1954; Cincinnati, OH (3rd)...since 1984; Cleveland, OH (4th)...since 1989; Miami, FL (5th) has never had a Republican mayor; St. Louis, MO (6th)....since 1949; El Paso, TX (7th) has never had a Republican mayor; Milwaukee, WI (8th)...since 1908; Philadelphia, PA (9th)...since 1952; Newark, NJ (10th)...since 1907. Einstein once said, 'The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.' Salmonbait Man you are stupid. I'll try ONE MORE TIME.... Please show where "ghettos are a product of affirmative action?" Ghettos have been a part of the U.S. for ever. Did I say "ghettos are a product of affirmative action?" I'll let you decide. http://tinyurl.com/o42at Salmonbait THAT is what this discussion is about, moron!!!! Plus, you answered MY question which was "What does that have to do with your assertion there ghettos are a result of affirmative action?" Please, I know you are narrow minded and unable to think outside of what FOX tells you, but try to keep up if you are going to interject. --------------- There have been ghettos for a long time. Jews in Europe were in Jewish ghettos. Here we did not have the extreme poverty level ghettos until the civil rights act of 1964. Had lots of great items, but paying more per unwed mother per child was not one of the high points. The blacks were poorer than whites, but they overall had jobs. Most of the blacks in Detroit, DC, and other large cities jobs now are collecting welfare. And have a huge school dropout rate. 6x-7x middle class kids. Chicago has something like a 74% drop out rate for male blacks. How are they going to even get a job at McDonalds with that background? |
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"Califbill" wrote:
"iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 12:08:46 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 09:40:45 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 16:47:49 -0500, ESAD wrote: The ghettos in this country existed long before the war on poverty, and most of the people who you are targeting weren't allowed to live elsewhere or get training for decent jobs. What percentage of the people in DC were below the poverty level in 1964 and what is that percentage now? What does that have to do with your assertion there ghettos are a result of affirmative action? Here, this should answer your questions regarding the continuance of ghettos: The Democrats have contributed greatly to the poor - by keeping them poor. Interesting........ City, State, % of People Below the Poverty Level 1. Detroit, MI 32.5% 2. Buffalo, NY 29..9% 3. Cincinnati, OH 27.8% 4. Cleveland, OH 27.0% 5. Miami, FL 26.9% 5. St. Louis, MO 26.8% 7. El Paso, TX 26.4% 8. Milwaukee, WI 26.2% 9. Philadelphia, PA 25.1% 10. Newark, NJ 24.2% U.S. Census Bureau, 2006 American Community Survey, August 2007 What do the top ten cities (over 250,000) with the highest poverty rate all have in common? Democrat mayors. Detroit, MI (1st on the poverty rate list) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1961; Buffalo, NY (2nd) hasn't elected one since 1954; Cincinnati, OH (3rd)...since 1984; Cleveland, OH (4th)...since 1989; Miami, FL (5th) has never had a Republican mayor; St. Louis, MO (6th)....since 1949; El Paso, TX (7th) has never had a Republican mayor; Milwaukee, WI (8th)...since 1908; Philadelphia, PA (9th)...since 1952; Newark, NJ (10th)...since 1907. Einstein once said, 'The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.' Salmonbait Man you are stupid. I'll try ONE MORE TIME.... Please show where "ghettos are a product of affirmative action?" Ghettos have been a part of the U.S. for ever. Did I say "ghettos are a product of affirmative action?" I'll let you decide. http://tinyurl.com/o42at Salmonbait THAT is what this discussion is about, moron!!!! Plus, you answered MY question which was "What does that have to do with your assertion there ghettos are a result of affirmative action?" Please, I know you are narrow minded and unable to think outside of what FOX tells you, but try to keep up if you are going to interject. --------------- There have been ghettos for a long time. Jews in Europe were in Jewish ghettos. Here we did not have the extreme poverty level ghettos until the civil rights act of 1964. Had lots of great items, but paying more per unwed mother per child was not one of the high points. The blacks were poorer than whites, but they overall had jobs. Most of the blacks in Detroit, DC, and other large cities jobs now are collecting welfare. And have a huge school dropout rate. 6x-7x middle class kids. Chicago has something like a 74% drop out rate for male blacks. How are they going to even get a job at McDonalds with that background? Your claim that we did not have extreme poverty until the Civil Rights Act of 1964 is absolutely absurd. If you believe that you have no idea of the history of the lower income classes in this country. I don't believe you said that. |
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On 1/16/2013 6:33 PM, Califbill wrote:
"iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 12:08:46 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 09:40:45 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 16:47:49 -0500, ESAD wrote: The ghettos in this country existed long before the war on poverty, and most of the people who you are targeting weren't allowed to live elsewhere or get training for decent jobs. What percentage of the people in DC were below the poverty level in 1964 and what is that percentage now? What does that have to do with your assertion there ghettos are a result of affirmative action? Here, this should answer your questions regarding the continuance of ghettos: The Democrats have contributed greatly to the poor - by keeping them poor. Interesting........ City, State, % of People Below the Poverty Level 1. Detroit, MI 32.5% 2. Buffalo, NY 29..9% 3. Cincinnati, OH 27.8% 4. Cleveland, OH 27.0% 5. Miami, FL 26.9% 5. St. Louis, MO 26.8% 7. El Paso, TX 26.4% 8. Milwaukee, WI 26.2% 9. Philadelphia, PA 25.1% 10. Newark, NJ 24.2% U.S. Census Bureau, 2006 American Community Survey, August 2007 What do the top ten cities (over 250,000) with the highest poverty rate all have in common? Democrat mayors. Detroit, MI (1st on the poverty rate list) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1961; Buffalo, NY (2nd) hasn't elected one since 1954; Cincinnati, OH (3rd)...since 1984; Cleveland, OH (4th)...since 1989; Miami, FL (5th) has never had a Republican mayor; St. Louis, MO (6th)....since 1949; El Paso, TX (7th) has never had a Republican mayor; Milwaukee, WI (8th)...since 1908; Philadelphia, PA (9th)...since 1952; Newark, NJ (10th)...since 1907. Einstein once said, 'The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.' Salmonbait Man you are stupid. I'll try ONE MORE TIME.... Please show where "ghettos are a product of affirmative action?" Ghettos have been a part of the U.S. for ever. Did I say "ghettos are a product of affirmative action?" I'll let you decide. http://tinyurl.com/o42at Salmonbait THAT is what this discussion is about, moron!!!! Plus, you answered MY question which was "What does that have to do with your assertion there ghettos are a result of affirmative action?" Please, I know you are narrow minded and unable to think outside of what FOX tells you, but try to keep up if you are going to interject. --------------- There have been ghettos for a long time. Jews in Europe were in Jewish ghettos. Here we did not have the extreme poverty level ghettos until the civil rights act of 1964. Had lots of great items, but paying more per unwed mother per child was not one of the high points. The blacks were poorer than whites, but they overall had jobs. Most of the blacks in Detroit, DC, and other large cities jobs now are collecting welfare. And have a huge school dropout rate. 6x-7x middle class kids. Chicago has something like a 74% drop out rate for male blacks. How are they going to even get a job at McDonalds with that background? When I was little, the ghettos were not strictly black and hispanic... 1964 changed that.. |
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JustWait wrote:
On 1/16/2013 6:33 PM, Califbill wrote: "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 12:08:46 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 09:40:45 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 16:47:49 -0500, ESAD wrote: The ghettos in this country existed long before the war on poverty, and most of the people who you are targeting weren't allowed to live elsewhere or get training for decent jobs. What percentage of the people in DC were below the poverty level in 1964 and what is that percentage now? What does that have to do with your assertion there ghettos are a result of affirmative action? Here, this should answer your questions regarding the continuance of ghettos: The Democrats have contributed greatly to the poor - by keeping them poor. Interesting........ City, State, % of People Below the Poverty Level 1. Detroit, MI 32.5% 2. Buffalo, NY 29..9% 3. Cincinnati, OH 27.8% 4. Cleveland, OH 27.0% 5. Miami, FL 26.9% 5. St. Louis, MO 26.8% 7. El Paso, TX 26.4% 8. Milwaukee, WI 26.2% 9. Philadelphia, PA 25.1% 10. Newark, NJ 24.2% U.S. Census Bureau, 2006 American Community Survey, August 2007 What do the top ten cities (over 250,000) with the highest poverty rate all have in common? Democrat mayors. Detroit, MI (1st on the poverty rate list) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1961; Buffalo, NY (2nd) hasn't elected one since 1954; Cincinnati, OH (3rd)...since 1984; Cleveland, OH (4th)...since 1989; Miami, FL (5th) has never had a Republican mayor; St. Louis, MO (6th)....since 1949; El Paso, TX (7th) has never had a Republican mayor; Milwaukee, WI (8th)...since 1908; Philadelphia, PA (9th)...since 1952; Newark, NJ (10th)...since 1907. Einstein once said, 'The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.' Salmonbait Man you are stupid. I'll try ONE MORE TIME.... Please show where "ghettos are a product of affirmative action?" Ghettos have been a part of the U.S. for ever. Did I say "ghettos are a product of affirmative action?" I'll let you decide. http://tinyurl.com/o42at Salmonbait THAT is what this discussion is about, moron!!!! Plus, you answered MY question which was "What does that have to do with your assertion there ghettos are a result of affirmative action?" Please, I know you are narrow minded and unable to think outside of what FOX tells you, but try to keep up if you are going to interject. --------------- There have been ghettos for a long time. Jews in Europe were in Jewish ghettos. Here we did not have the extreme poverty level ghettos until the civil rights act of 1964. Had lots of great items, but paying more per unwed mother per child was not one of the high points. The blacks were poorer than whites, but they overall had jobs. Most of the blacks in Detroit, DC, and other large cities jobs now are collecting welfare. And have a huge school dropout rate. 6x-7x middle class kids. Chicago has something like a 74% drop out rate for male blacks. How are they going to even get a job at McDonalds with that background? When I was little, the ghettos were not strictly black and hispanic... 1964 changed that.. You still are little and you are wrong. |
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