On 1/12/2013 7:05 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jan 12, 2:54 pm, ESAD wrote:
On 1/12/13 3:32 PM, Tim wrote:









On Jan 12, 2:13 pm, ESAD wrote:
On 1/12/13 2:28 PM, Tim wrote:

On Jan 12, 7:54 am, ESAD wrote:
On 1/12/13 8:44 AM, Tim wrote:

On Jan 12, 6:23 am, ESAD wrote:
On 1/12/13 2:21 AM, Tim wrote:

On Jan 11, 2:27 pm, ESAD wrote:
I had in-laws who tried to pull that crap on me at a family gathering in
Florida. They were trying to hustle funds for a trip their church was
planning to take to somewhere in Central America to proselytize. Or
maybe it was South America. One or the other. Basically, they were
heading into some backwoods areas in attempts to convert indigenous
Catholics into Southern Baptists, and, as bait, they were bringing along
church members who were nurses, doctors, et cetera.

"Indigenous Catholics?" And what were the indigenous before they were
Catholics?

"and, as bait, they were bringing along church members who were
nurses, doctors, et cetera."

is it wrong to help people improve their health and their lives?

" What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have
faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? Suppose a brother
or a sister is without clothes and daily food. If one of you says to
them, Go in peace; keep warm and well fed, but does nothing about
their physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by
itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead."

James 2:14-17

What were the indigenous peoples before they were catholics? They had
their own culture and their own religions *before* the Europeans came
along and destroyed both.

Interesting quote you provided...sort of a justification for
proselytizing and destroying a people and a culture. It's damned wrong
to go to some backwater area and offer help to people if only they will
give up their beliefs and culture to adopt yours.

Harry I have no idea where you get the notion of " if only they will
give up their beliefs and culture to adopt yours."

That isn't written in the scripture, it isn't even applied. I have no
idea why you feel you need to conjure up these things.

Really? What do evangelical missionaries do? Answer: they preach
Christianity to others with the object of conversion, and many times in
history those conversions were accomplished with the threat of death.

Yeah, a 'history of death'' by ungodly people under the guise of doing
the work of Christ. But if you feel to believe so, then that is your
right .

But you were making a point that there was some kind of a
'bargaining' that was to happen. like medical, shelter, clothing,
food, ...firewood. You give the impression that missionaries use
Christianity as some kind of a tool. You either convert, or you don't
get the goods. There is non of that.

Again, if you feel to believe so, then that is your right .

You either listen to the message or you get...nothing. That's the case
with some missionaries in Central and South America.

But you implied that it is ALL! Can you tell me of modern
missionaries that do this? Or is this simply a misconception you are
promoting?

No, I didn't imply all. I have read of missionaries in places like India
withholding services/goods for those who would not convert, and I have
read of other such cases.

"As you may suspect, I am not in favor of proselytizing of any kind. I
think the practice is disgusting. If it were up to me, I would expel any
missionaries in foreign countries who engage in proselytizing...."

And by doing so, you would also be expelling hundreds if not thousands
of health care workers, teachers,dentists, hygienists, dieticians,
carpenters, metallurgists and other craftsmen, farmers, scientists,
engineers, People who can show others how to live healthier...

You'd also be taking a lot of monies out of the local economy that was
provided by those you kicked out of the country.

Yes, Harry, By expelling those pesky foreign bible thumpers, you'd
help keep your third world country "third"




Well? Would you expect anything else from dems, that's their MO.